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Re: Shovel Knight amiibo Confirms "Evolving" Relationship With Indies, Says Nintendo

MailOrderNinja

@FLUX_CAPACITOR No, I called out a person who was being judgemental, you answered aggressively with sarcasm, I countered, and you were aggressive and sarcastic again (although my answer to you was sarcastic as well in it's opening because I was frankly a little miffed at your response)

It's clear that with a lot of people here Nintendo could do whatever they wanted and they would buy their products. There is no talking with blind fandom. You decry people attempting to have a discussion or bring anything negative to bear, on a topic that was bound to be divisive, in a place that is meant for discussion.

People are allowed to have opinions that aren't yours as long as they share them in a way that doesn't put down another individual. When that starts happening, is when I have an issue with it.

I love Nintendo as anyone I know can attest. However, I can see when the stuff they do is nonsense. I don't unilaterally agree with whatever they do because I'm a fan of gaming, not just of Nintendo. Amiibo, and all toys to life for that matter, are utter nonsense. Just because they've become the norm doesn't mean they should be. Just because people are used to being ripped off doesn't mean nobody should say anything about it. What kind of place do you want Nintendolife to be? Nobody is allowed to speak their opinion unless it's all for Nintendo?

You clearly have your opinion and you won't change it. What point is a debate when you dismiss everything the other person says before they say it?

Re: Shovel Knight amiibo Confirms "Evolving" Relationship With Indies, Says Nintendo

MailOrderNinja

@FLUX_CAPACITOR Nice try friend. Perhaps try reading next time.

First of all the individual's tone was arrogant and that's why I called it that. It was textbook holier than thou about people expressing concerns about a product on a forum designed for discussion. He acts as if somehow he is better than others because they have nothing better to do than complain while he himself is complaining on a site instead of playing the games he adores. THAT'S irony.

Second it isn't another product line. It is DLC: pieces of a game that are sold separately that add to or complete the game you purchased. I'm saying they need to offer the DLC to people not interested in a figure that just want to play the game and all aspects of it.

Third never did I say they should stop making amiibo. Personally I love the little statues even if I hate their availability. I simply stated that there should be options and I think even the staunchest amiibo defender would agree.

Re: Shovel Knight amiibo Confirms "Evolving" Relationship With Indies, Says Nintendo

MailOrderNinja

@Syrek I feel like your post is sort of arrogant and the same things you said could be said back to yourself. After all you are on a forum complaining about people complaining and then judging them for complaining in the same breath. Of course you say at the end it's ok to be critical of something you don't like, but you spent the whole post detailing that it wasn't in your opinion. Besides what's the point of these boards of it isn't discussion?

That being said Jaxon is certainly one of the more level headed of the bunch even though I usually disagree with some of what he says.

I think what you see as complaining or entitlement are people who feel strongly that what Nintendo is doing is not right, but are at an impasse because they are huge fans and still want to play everything on a game without having to buy figures to do so. Why can't Nintendo just do standards priced DLC?

And to return the arrogance with arrogance I come here because I find it funny to see raging fanboys who 2 years ago preached about how awesome Nintendo was that they were so good about DLC and decried all other systems and are now ardently defending the same practice because it's Nintendo.

Re: Shovel Knight amiibo Confirms "Evolving" Relationship With Indies, Says Nintendo

MailOrderNinja

@wariowarewolf I agree. I think people are missing the point: this content isn't priced the same as the competition. Yes you are also getting the figure in the price, but the problem is that's the only way you can get it. If they put all the challenges modes out there for Splatoon for 15 or 20 dollars than there is no argument. Simply decide if that content is worth it. As it is now they are locking content behind difficult to track down figures that a lot of people might not even want. Thus if you want everything for a game you are forced to buy a chunk of plastic you might not even want.

Everyone saying they aren't hard to get they are still far harder than logging in and downloading content from an Xbox for DLC.

Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Acknowledges Nintendo as a 'Beacon' for First-Party Games

MailOrderNinja

@shani Yeah I can see that. I have a PC, but certainly not one that can play the newest games so I'm not quite up to date on that front. PC to me is far more expensive then consoles because I feel like you are constantly having to upgrade. Buy a graphics card today and next week they announce a game that it can't play. If I did have a nice PC I'd likely have the same set up.

I agree with you that the Wii U has fantastic games, some of the best on the market, and don't get me wrong; I have nothing but love for Nintendo (aside from their amiibo rubbish). I'm just saying I wish Nintendo could do both things: make extraordinarily fun games and be an utter success with hardcore appeal. That was my point originally: that is what Microsoft is starting to get and it's why right now in my opinion they upstage Sony. If you have more first party games that are varied and still have all the third parties than I would say your system is the better buy.

Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Acknowledges Nintendo as a 'Beacon' for First-Party Games

MailOrderNinja

@shani The userbase was small, and analysts, journalists and critics have said over and over again, because of the power of the system and the lack of third party. It's difficult to take a $300 dollar system, only $50 less than the Xbox One, that does drastically less and compare it to the heavy hitters.

That is why people don't buy a Wii U, it has nothing to do with the types of games on it or the type of gamer.

I've found Nintendo gamers above all other gamers like a wider variety of games, and just about all of them want to play the big games on your system. The problem is that the hardcore Nintendo fans that only play Nintendo games are all that owns the system, because again if you can only purchase one system you purchase the one with the most variety that does the most.

What I meant by Nintendo makes it hard is simply by not providing them the power they need and not competing with the market. In order to take a game and put it onto Wii U that is currently on a PS4 they would have to make a separate version of the game. You can't just take something like The Witcher 3 and slap it on the Wii U without drastically cutting features and rewriting a bunch of code. I guarantee that if the Wii U had equal power to the Xbox One and PS4 they would have more third party games because it simply wouldn't make sense not to put a game on a system when all you have to do is port it. The argument about user base is the chicken and egg scenario: if it had the power and the third party games than it wouldn't have a user base issue, but because they will never compete on that level we will they have a user base issue which makes third party games shy away from them. It wouldn't matter though: PS4 is drastically outselling the Xbox One so in your logic that means that the Xbox One shouldn't be getting the games the PS4 is, but that isn't the case. Why? Because it's so easy to port the games back and forth as the systems power and system wise are nearly identical.

My whole point to this is that I love Nintendo and I'd like to see them as more than just the console you buy after you already have a console. I want to see them compete with Xbox and Sony and if they did hardware wise nobody could argue with their first party games. If you could play Zelda and Destiny on the same system it would be a killer system and people would buy it. I know I sure would.

Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Acknowledges Nintendo as a 'Beacon' for First-Party Games

MailOrderNinja

@JaxonH I don't think you can look at the projects that are still being released on 360 and PS3. Most of those games were already in development when the newer systems came out so there was almost no reason to cancel them.

Most of the gamers I know that are actual gamers, which are the vast part driving console sales right now, do want to have a Wii U and an Xbox/PS4, mostly because even the people that aren't huge Nintendo fans can admit they have some amazing first party games on there. Brand loyalty also is dying, if the PS4 is any indication and the mass of Xbox fans that jumped ship. If the Wii U could do everything an Xbox One could, play movies, higher fidelity games and have a strong online presence than I believe a lot of people, and definitely myself, would just have one console: Wii U.

The problem is if you are serious about games you can't just own a Wii U, it's a companion system. I'm just really tired of Nintendo being the companion system and not the main system. I think no matter who you are that underestimating third party is silly. It's hard to sit three products side by side on the shelf, one that is drastically overpriced for what it does, and compare the features and the games available and pick a Wii U.

Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Acknowledges Nintendo as a 'Beacon' for First-Party Games

MailOrderNinja

@shani If we were talking about the Gamecube / Xbox / PS2 era you'd be absolutely right, but we aren't. Exclusives aren't the business anymore and developers spend so much money they want to see their games on every system. The only reason the Wii U doesn't see them is because now they would have to change or downgrade games to fit onto the Wii U so it simply isn't worth the effort. Same with the Wii.

On the other hand if the Wii U had the graphical capability, the RAM and processing power, and the online capabilities of the other two systems than you would see every game as Xbox One, PS4, Wii U instead of the other two getting every single game.

It's not new, developers love Nintendo they want to work with them, but Nintendo simply makes it too hard. Also, while I appreciate your enthusiasm for Nintendo's first party (best on market) and it's indies (very small compared to Xbox and PlayStation) you can't tell me you wouldn't want to play games like Battleborn, Final Fantasy XV or the Witcher 3 on your Wii U.

Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Acknowledges Nintendo as a 'Beacon' for First-Party Games

MailOrderNinja

That's because that is exactly what Spencer is trying to do is move in a strong first party direction to make the Xbox more appealing. It stands to reason if you easily get most third party and have the most first party games people will come running.

I've always said it, if Nintendo had a system technologically on par with the big two so they netted third party games and had their phenomenal first party line up they would be unstoppable.