Just in case you still aren't convinced that the Shovel Knight amiibo is a thing, Nintendo of America confirmed its existence alongside a raft of other announcements during a pre-PAX presentation at its Nindies@Night event at EMP Museum in Seattle.
Scanning the amiibo on Wii U version of Shovel Knight allows gamers to play cooperatively with a friend. On both 3DS and Wii U, the amiibo can be used to level-up and customize the main character "with new visual enhancements, relics and abilities". There are also exclusive amiibo challenge levels in which these abilities can be used. It is stated that the figure will also be used in "future Shovel Knight games", which is as big an indication as you could hope for that a sequel is on the way.
Sadly, it doesn't look like Shovel Knight is compatible with Super Smash Bros., however - although with the amiibo in place, adding him to the roster later on is surely an easier process.
Damon Baker, Nintendo of America's Senior Marketing Manager of Publisher and Developer Relations, had this to say:
Not only do we have a robust slate of indie games launching in the Nintendo eShop, but these games also contain features that can only be found on Wii U and Nintendo 3DS. Creating an amiibo that's compatible with all current and future Shovel Knight games shows that our strong relationship with independent developers is constantly evolving.
Yacht Club Games - which recently had to deny rumours that the amiibo was coming - is understandably pleased with the news, too:
It's been a great honor to work directly with Nintendo, creating a Shovel Knight amiibo that sits beside their most beloved characters. We are elated to expand the world of Shovel Knight, and to keep developing unique game-play experiences on Nintendo's platforms.
Will you be investing in this figure? What other third-party amiibo figures are you hoping for? Let us know by posting a comment.
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Yeah, I'll be getting this for sure. Now can we please get a Shantae amiibo.
Very good!, well, then, a Shantae amiibo soon? XD
Such a cheesy video. But very satisfying to see a 3rd party amiibo and Nintendo exclusive 3rd party content. Even if its a timed release.
I never played this game but its always been on my radar, i think I will be getting it soon
I think its amazing for Yacht Club Games,like they said, to have their character sit along side some of the most beloved characters in gaming. The amiibo looks intersting, but I wonder why they could not get co-op to work on the 3DS version, such as through local wireless. Oh well, just great job Yacht Club Games, I can't wait for the sequel nudge nudge, wink wink
I'd ask for Commander Video but he'd be kinda boring for an Amiibo.
Someone needs to give these guys an acting career.....
But seriously, this looks good. Never got into shovel knight, but looks promising. What were the other announcements that are mentioned in the article?
That's pretty cool for them. Commander Video next!
So Yacht Club Games says "Pay us money to unlock a two-player mode that could be in the game for free, like every other two-player game ever made." This is money-grabbing at its worst!
Co-op locked behind an amiibo, we have truly entered a sad age of Nintendo gaming.
I'll be curious to see if this means Shovel Knight's next outing will be either exclusivelyor predominantly tied to Ninty? And I wonder if this amiibo will be used in Super Mario Maker?
Oh, and if Shovel Knight gets an amiibo as a 3rd party friend, Bayonetta DEFINETELY DESERVES ONE.
Fantastic news! Shame about the awful video.
Anyway, I need a Shovel Knight amiibo!
Next indie amiibo (indiibo?)? Commander Video of course! Then Patricia from Mighty Switch Force or Shantae.
You need the amiibo to play the game in co-op? Good thing i don't have friends lol
Hopefully this will work in amazing ways with Shovel Knight 64
@FLUX_CAPACITOR I WISH amiibo were that cheap in the UK. Most of our scumbag retailers sell them for £15 each, which is roughly $23! I just think locking co-op behind an amiibo is money-grabbing. Customisation and stuff is fine, but two-player is too far.
Yeah people will find a way to b*tch about amiibo unlocks. Why are you so entitled that it should be available to you without the amiibo? Like didn't you already got what you paid for when you bought the game? This is a bonus for getting the amiibo.
Did the devs withheld the contents just so they can integrate it with the amiibo? We don't know. Maybe, maybe not. If you think it's not worth it then don't buy it or pay for it.
On the other hand, if there's not much content to warrant a purchase of the amiibo, people will b*tch regardless. Jeez, gamers today are the worst.
Give us Bayonetta.... it will be the only amiibo I'll get
I want to see a Reggie amiibo, who is holding a Nintendo fan upside down with money falling from their pockets!
@RainbowGazelle
Buy them from Amazon Spain, France, Italy and Germany. They range from 12-15€ which is like 10£? Buy at least 2. The more the better since you save from the shipping.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Believe me, Amazon are just as bad. To me two-player doesn't seem like trivial content, but I see your point.
Not too bothered about amiibo in general but couldn't resist this one, so got my preorder in this morning with Game-think it'll be worth it given how nice it looks & the extras it'll unlock.
I know the WiiU version will have couch co-op with the battle arena mode but having it 'locked' outside of that without the above is a bit sneaky imo.
Been holding off for a physical copy anyway so certainly looking forward to this in October & the extra upcoming campaigns too.
Gonna have to wait for Shovel Knight to go on offer for the Wii U & 3ds il pick both up and this Amiibo even though im not interested in Amiibos and haven't purchased any.
Ah, so glad to hear this has been confirmed! I guess I'll be preordering the amiibo (and presumably buying the Wii U version, even though I already have it on PC!), even if it is a tad annoying about co-op only being accessed this way. Oh well, it never really was a game built for co-op, and the other amiibo unlocks sound awesome.
Plus, kudos to them for using the Game Grumps to advertise it! To anyone wondering, they make a thing of intentionally making their adverts poorly acted and cringeworthy, it's just their style. Regardless, hyped!
The amiibo itself looks great, but it's horrific that co-op is essentially locked as DLC. This should never be a feature that people need to pay extra to unlock.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Plague of Shadows was a stretch goal on the original kickstarter, so they had to release it for free anyway. That still doesn't change that they're money-grabbing by locking away co-op.
I don't have an issue with this one deal, taken individually. But if it does reasonably well you can expect a host of future games to lock similar features behind add-on payments (amiibo etc.).
If the price on release is reduced to allow for it, fine, but if co-op starts to become some additional option you gotta pay extra for then they can expect to take less sales from me.
Expect sales of amiiqo to increase based on this sort of practice...
Indeed is a trend that I don't personally like. It is ok the dlc philosophy (as long as at D1 I get a complete game), since normally prices for add-ons are proportional to their content. But here I am kind of forced to pay 15 Euro for a figurine if I wanna have more in-game stuff (and normally with amiibo the content is comparable to little expansion packs). What If I don't give a damn about the figurine? Why can't I pay only the price of the digital content?
It would be more fair if I can choose between paying 15 Euro for Figure+COntent or 2.50 Euro for the content itself.....
In all fairness I doubt that the original game was built with Amiibo in mind, so they're a bit limited as to what additions the figure can unlock without altering the program code so much. That said, it will be interesting to see how third parties tackle Amiibo support going forward. Maybe they'll offer more than the cosmetic unlocks in most Nintendo games?
If the availability of the amiibo wasn't such a drag, I would mind less, but entire modes of gameplay behind an unlock is something I don't like.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR People wouldn't get so peeved if they just gave us the option to buy said content straight off the eshop for less then being forced to buy plastic toys that aren't cheap when you have to buy dozens of them to have access to everything a game has to offer.
Again, this sucks. PS and Xbox owners got their exclusive content built-in while we have to pay 15 bucks for it. Not happy about this.
Awesome news!
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Yeah, their strategy is pretty clear....
But still, they shouldn't lock a coop mode (just an example, it could also be extra levels, playable characters and so on) behind a plastic figure.
As also @Jazzer94 said, give me the option to get more "important" extras as only digital.
Meanwhile, speaking as a ps4 owner too, there are big AAA games that keep delivering "not so important" extras for free, not asking you any price. I am thinking of Diablo 3 (just released an extra zone, extra gears, extra enemies) the Witcher 3, Driveclub (that is almost insane in free contents), Helldivers. Take this last one, they release new weapons, stratagems and vehicles in small packs that costs 3-4 Euros each, in group of 3, and you can get the whole trio for 10 Euros or so.... So it is completely free to the user what they wanna get. But new bosses, planets and missions are released for free to everyone. I like this policies more than having to cover my living room in useless plastic toys (I speak as a grown up 30years old guy now, I understand could be different for kids or atcion-figures fetishists)
To play co-op you have to buy the toy? Rotten. I'm getting sick of modern gaming and this DLC price-gouging.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Yeah, I agree that co-op would likely not exist if it wasn't for this amiibo. It's great to see them adding new content to this game, and the free expansion packs are looking fantastic. However, I'll still always dislike charging for co-op.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR So first you said something like "It is ok to lock some content to Amiibo cos they wanna sell the figurine, and this content is generally not big, so if you don't want the amiibo you don't loose to much" and then you just said the opposite "so with coop and extra stuff there is a big value in the amiibo, so is kinda good to buy it"......(see #40 and #45).
So essentially we can assume that not matter what, Nintendo is right. It is our bad that we would like to have extra contents without wanting the plastic toy with it.....
Locking co-op behind an Amiibo is not what we wanted. Wii U is THE console for local multiplayer, and locking it behind further purchasing just feels wrong and could result in a backlash against Shovel Knight.
10:30am and I have a Budweiser open. Well done guys.
Locking co op behind the amiibo?
Lame.
Im sure shovel knight amiibo will be one of the most scalped one.
Thankfully, things like the amiiqo exist.
I should get that, considering things like this might happen again.
Yeesh, so when amiibos don't unlock meaningful content they're Labled as useless figurines and when they do unlock decent content they're suddenly money grubbing.
whatever. I'll just continue collecting the ones I like and if new content comes with them, that's a nice bonus.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR There's still no way to do co-op without paying at least £11, but I'm done complaining for now. The rest of the unlocks sounds interesting and I like collecting amiibo, so I'll likely get this anyway.
Just a heads up at Game uk online they have Shovel Knight amiibo for pre-order he is hard to find though just put shovel knight in the search bar in the top and it comes up with the game and amiibo.
Peace out nintendo fans lets hope the NX does it right and fingers crossed for gamecube eshop games as well but at least they are going the right way with n64 games.
It's a character and game based pretty much solely on old NES games. Of course Nintendo would give it an Amiibo. Make one for an indie game that wasn't inspired by 20 Nintendo games and then we'll see.
Is it time to frighten Wii U owners again into pre ordering and purchasing amiibo as soon as humanly possible so they have a chance at ever owning the toy and getting to play the content?
Shantae next please!
Co-op locked behind a paywall? How low has gaming fallen? This is money grabbing, just as paying for online multiplayer. If it were only the.other content they said, no problem, but locking something that could easily be free (for all versions) is just terrible.
I haven't played this game yet, though always had it on my radar. Just too much of a backlog to get through....
I will most definitely be getting this Amiibo though. It looks one of the best I've seen, if not THE best looking one. Can't wait.
i need a Rusty from Steamworld Dig amiibo!!!
Amiibo stampede again ! Time to scramble from website to website only to find they have sold out.... Only to pay over the top from a 3rd party scalper.
... Then Boom Nintendo restock for £10 or $10.
That's been the whole amiibo legacy so far.
They do look beautiful in there packets though lol
That's cool, but I don't think it'll be the first Amiibo I buy. Now if Nintendo were to release some Octoling or Callie and Marie Amiibos, then we could talk.
@Joenen Totally agree. I think it's awesome that this amiibo (which, to be fair, I'd probably want anyway) actually unlocks something good.
I'm hoping this works in Super Mario Maker too...
Shovel Knight is a finished product on the eShop. You paid money for it and got the full game.
Now they make extra content, most of it for free, and some of it behind an amiibo. If you want the exclusive amiibo features (that cost money to develop and weren't part of kickstarter) then in exchange you have to pay for the amiibo, what's the problem?
I mean, there is no Shovel Knight advertising that ever said "with this purchase you paid for co-op mode and other things we may work on in the future".
The gold base confuses me because the one NoE are showing has a purple base:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNes9fdWEAAURH0.jpg
Anyway. I don't like stuff being locked behind these figures especially when no cheaper alternative is offered like I don't know, a card?
As for the it is nice figure argument, you have to understand amiibo are only good if you want the figure. If you don't care about the figure they are just expensive DLC. That cuts me off from a lot of the amiibo content. I personally don't like the Splatoon figures (can't stand the colours used, though when it comes to poses etc they are a lot better than most of the SSB range) but would have loved to have played the challenges by say buying a few cards for a couple of € each (heck I might even be crazy enough to go up to €5 each) but since the option isn't there (maybe Nintendo are scared the figures won't sell?) Nintendo get no money and they get customers disappointed instead. Which is just a lose lose situation.
This has actually made me want to go and check out Shovel Knight. Good job Nintendo and Yacht Club!
@SKTTR I think the main issue people have is how limited Amiibos tend to be, so it can be difficult for people to be able to access their content.
The Amiibo looks really cool but I am not sure if I want to pick it up. That decision will likely be made for me due to how rare it is probably going to be anyway. Still, amazing game. Yacht Club deserves the success they have received and the fact that this article practically confirms a Shovel Knight sequel has me excited for it, though that is obviously a long ways off since they still have work to do on the expansions.
@RainbowGazelle
That's not fair. No other version of Shovel Knight has co-op and had it not been for this amiibo l, no version would ever have it.
It's a feature that was never meant to be in the game, and isn't in the game on any platform. The game is been out for a long time, and multiple expansions are coming for absolutely no cost.
To sit here and say this should have been in the game for free- well, if you were going to complain about lack of co-op you should've done it before they announced the amiibo. The fact you weren't complaining about it before tells me you actually don't care that it's missing co-op.
This sort of thing comes across as yet another example of people labeling anything as "having should have been in the game already" just because it's amiibo.
It's always the same tune with most of you. Nintendo is damned if they do, or damned if the don't. Always complaining that deep content is getting locked behind these things, or complaining that it's just stupid costumes, etc. It sounds like Shovel Knight wouldn't even get multiplayer if it wasn't for this. I am personally looking forward to this thing. He looks awesome, and good for Yacht Club games. I'm sure they had no idea their game was going to be such a hit that an amiibo would be made.
@JaxonH
"This sort of thing comes across as yet another example of people labeling anything as "having should have been in the game already" just because it's amiibo."
Amen. Well said.
More complaints about amiibo contect locking. I spend a bunch of money on amiibo so the more functionality they have, the better. Shovel Knight players are already getting lots of free DLC content on the game. I don't see how Yacht Club Games is money grabbing with a Shovel Knight amiibo. The figure will sell the same with or without unlockable content.
I just think it is cool that they are letting third parties in on this. Perhaps amiibo are the gateway back to more 3rd party support? They sale like hotcakes and keep awareness on the games that they support. Maybe if there was a cod amiibo and some exclusive nintendo content people might choose to pick up such annual (but important sales for third parties) games more often on nintendo systems?
It's very cool to see an indie Amiibo coming out, but (consider how garbage the supply situation STILL is almost a year later) the unlockable content described is the worst kind of physical DLC implementation in my opinion. Despite being skeptical, I sincerely hope that Nintendo actually creates enough figures to meet demand.
I think co-op IS a big deal, and I think that they should have included that standard and made exclusive levels that get unlocked with the amiibo, BUT I don't think this is "evil money grubbing." Maybe not that I think of as ideal, but I think it's a fine deal, and I'm extremely excited about this.
I may have just glossed over something, so forgive me if I'm asking a question that's already been answered, but will it unlock anything exclusive to Wii U/3DS? I was pretty much sold on downloading this for Xbox One next payday because of the inclusion of Battletoads, but if there are awesome amiibo exclusive features, I'll totally jump back to Wii U for this game.
@arnoldlayne83
I think the issue is, people will complain no matter what. It's the same thing repeatedly with certain members- Nintendo is always wrong. Every amiibo is locking content.
No matter what they do, no matter what kind of content they create for amiibos, people make the same accusations every time. "It should have been in the game for free". Not all extra content should be free. That's great that some PS4 games give free content. I got all 16 of those little packs, I know good and well some games give free content. Nintendo gives free content too. They almost always give the first batch of DLC away free- whether it be NSMB2, Fire Emblem Awakening, Pikmin 3, etc. lots of games get extremely low priced DLC too. On the other side, most PS4/X1 games are reeking with micro transactions and $7 skins, multiplayer modes used as a ploy to charge for in game currency and the like.
The point is, amiibo content is undoubtedly content that never would have seen the light of day if amiibos didn't exist. The whole function and point of amiibo is interactive figures that unlock content, so people need to start accepting that any time there's an amiibo made, there's going to be content developed for it too.
If it was content being removed from a game and sectioned off it would e one thing, but that's never, not once been the case. It's always, from day one, been content that would have never been included otherwise. This Shovel Knight amiibo is further proof of that. Amiibo weren't even a thing when the game released. Yet here we are, and people accusing the amiibo content of having "should have been included for free" based on one thing alone- the fact it was created for amiibo. It's discrimination at it's purest form.
Nintendo games still get free content too, and fair-priced DLC and add ons. They're still releasing Splatoon maps and weapons to date, stuff beyond what was originally announced for the August update.
No matter where you go, there is extra content for sale for games. You can spend $150 on weapons in Gears Ultimate, or $200 in cars in Drive Club. You can blow an easy $50-75 extra in Resident Evil 2, or $100 in Dragon Age Inquisition. You can blow money on content for Nintendo games too- you could have spent $35 on a 3-pack for Splatoon, or in an extreme case, over $500 for every amiibo in Smash. You could drop a good $50 on amiibo for Code Name STEAM, etc.
What I'm getting at, is every platform has games that sell extra content. In fact it's the norm nowadays. You really have to search high and low just to cherry pick examples of games that DON'T sell extra content. Nintendo just happens to sell their extra content in the form of interactive figures. They still have plenty of games that give away free content, as there are plenty of examples on PS4 too.
All platforms have games with free content, and all platforms have games selling extra content up the yin yang.
@Starwolf_UK Amiibo: Oh I much prefer that purple base!
You're not missing much on Splatoon Amiibo to be honest. The mini games are bad (and usually lobbies fill too quickly for them anyway), I rarely see anyone use the clothing or weapons - none of which has any advantage over the myriad of options already in game. The challenges are fun though, it is a bit of a shame they're locked away I admit. But even so I only played them once and went back to online, it's just select chapters from the single player with a different weapon.
I understand people's frustration not having an alternative way to get this content though (or worse wanting the figures and them being sold out everywhere). I think I would be. But I have about 20 Amiibo now and I so rarely scan any of them. None of these things they unlock are important. Plus if you want the costumes and stuff you can just borrow them from a friend with them, scan them once and be done with it (that is assuming you know someone with them I grant). I just like the toys.
Maybe as a third party dev, Yatch Club will try and get the Amiibo content available as DLC as well? Who knows. But either way, Shovel Knight is still a fantastic game (with Plague of Shadows coming free soon too!) and Nintendo building strong relationships with more developers, especially Western ones which they are somewhat lacking, is a really great sign! We should all be focussing on that positive I think
Ok, now I have ordered the figure because I genuinely want it, I still think Nintendo (and partner companies) have to consider offering all the unlockables as digital DLC, even if it comes at a later date, for those who genuinely don't want to buy amiibos.
Barry not included
"Scanning the amiibo on Wii U version of Shovel Knight allows gamers to play cooperatively with a friend."
Huh? So a basic function usually in many games now locked by Amiibo... garbage
On the one hand having co-op behind an amiibo is fairly disappointing, however we were NEVER promised co-op in the first place probably meaning the entire mode was created for the amiibo itself. Looking back at the kickstarter there was never a stretch goal for co-op and the game itself was probably already designed just for single player. I get that co-op is basic now but when the game never was meant to come with co-op in tow then it really is just a bonus.
My wallet is ready.
Uhhhhh Nintendo......why are you locking something so pointless as co-op behind an amiibo.....I mean I want value from my $12.99 figurine before I put it back in it's container and sell it for $35.99......good thing I have 2 so the unopen Shovel Knight Amiibo can go on my collection shelf.
@MoeTheDestroyer Me too!
I have no problem with the Amiibo being used to unlock a two player mode as long as they make enough to meet demand. That being said, I collect Amiibo and have zero confidence that Nintendo will produce enough.
Correct me if I'm wrong but dont the uses of amiibo get decided by the game developers? If thats true then Im more confused why the same people who give a whole game for free decides to lock a basic mode behind the figure.
@DarthNocturnal
No no no. The TYPE of content isn't new (well some is), but the content itself is content that never would have been developed or included otherwise. Just because Game A has a certain feature doesn't mean Game B automatically has to include it free. Otherwise every game on the planet would have to include every feature every other game has ever included. It's not feasible. Not only that, games are different. What may be standard for one game may not be for another. Game A has Feature X but charges for Y. Game B has Feature Y but charges for X. Different games have different designs. What is common for one game may be completely extra for another.
@ikki5
What does being a "basic function" have to do with anything? A lot of amiibo content is basic. In fact people complain when it's not. There is nothing special about a Wii U co-op mode that says it should be included free.
The mode was NOT included when the game released, which was before amiibo was even a thing. So now they are making an amiibo and need to come up with ideas for content. Should they NOT make a co-op mode then? Just make no platforms have access to a co-op mode just because it's basic? That's ridiculous. They needed ideas for extra content- this is as good as any. It's not a requisite mode of all video games. Shovel Knight was never meant to have co-op. So if they wanna toss it in with amiibo functionality, what do you care? It was never part of the game, and people had zero complaints up until now. But now that an amiibo is offering it, NOW you wanna complain about not having the mode for free? You are not entitled to a co-op mode for this game, because it was never originally part OF the game. It's just a nifty extra they're tossing in. You were fine without it before, you will be fine without it now.
@Ogbert the video are suppose to be cheesy and not well made unlike a real advert / commercial
@JaxonH
I am talking about Multiplayer. Imagine if Smash or Mario kart did this?
"In order to play with your friends, you need to buy "X" Amiibo!"
Yeah, garbage. Sure it wasn't in the game during release but still, it is basically telling you that you cannot play the game with your friend unless you spend more money. I'd much rather something stay single player than having to pay more later for multiplayer. Even more so when that paying more is going to be something that will not be available for everyone. You know how it is with Amiibo, use your head and with it being an Indie Amiibo... I can see it being far worse. It is even possible for someone to be willing to buy it for the co-op and then never be able to experience it.
It makes me sick to see you and other people support this garbage practice.
Amiibo used to be about unlocking skins and small quirks in games, now they are starting to unlock entire gamemodes. This is all going to hell and a blind man should be able to see this.
@gammer I know and it's awful. They're trying to be really clever and funny by doing an ironically bad video but it's not clever or funny. It's cringeworthy and cliche and just plain awful. Shovel Knight deserves better.
But the news itself is fantastic!
Oh these grumps.
The thing that makes these Amiibos better than DLC is when they are compatible with more than one game.
So if they allow it to work with Super Mario Maker, they add a Shovel Knight to Smash or a costume for it in Mario Kart 8 (or make work with any future game), then this is totally better than buying 5 lots of separate DLC.
You now how Xbox got free Battletoads DLC? ? Will the Nintendo equivelent Be locked behind an amiibo now?
Wheres Gunman Clives Amiibo? Where Sakura Samurais? It seems like the Hype has completley taken over this game.
I didnt expect this, but I think its awesome
What a lovely amiibo! Now I just need one of Commander Video or better yet, Gunvolt.
@ikki5
I agree. It absolutely WOULD be garbage if Smash or Mario Kart did this. Funny thing is, this isn't Smash or Mario Kart. It's a retro platformer designed for the single player experience (hence no MP to begin with). You're comparing apples to oranges.
@JaxonH
You've missed the point... completely. You took the first line and thought the post was just about that...Bravo.
Holy crap! I have the shirt that Arin's wearing! Anyways, the fact that multiplayer is locked behind is bull. However, I'm still getting the amiibo anyways because Shovel Knight is awesome. Besides, multiplayer was never even promised for this game, so it was most likely just made specifically for the amiibo. Though I'm still a little peeved at how Microsoft and Sony got their exclusive stuff for free, yet for the Nintendo exclusive stuff, you have to pay for it.
@ikki5
No, I didn't.
You think gamers are entitled, under any circumstance, to certain modes and features, simply because those modes/features are basic.
This is not a MP game. They never thought to include it, nor did a single gamer say anything about it should having had included MP until now. Why? Cause it's just not a feature that fits with the game, and the game's full vision had already been realized.
So amiibo come along, and they have to add sonething, and now you're complaining because you believe we are entitled to this mode simply because of what it is. We are not.
The game was fully realized at release. Anything, and I do mean anything they add beyond that is extra, and does not have to come free of charge. Is it not enough they're giving away like 3 expansions free? That you must complain about a dinky co-op mode that was never originally intended to be included?
There is only ONE rule to amiibo. It should be content not originally planned for the game. If you can ask that one question about the content and say "no it wasn't originally planned" then there is nothing to complain about. How big, small, basic or complex the amiibo content is, is irrelevant. Only this one thing matters- is it extra, or was it stripped. This is extra.
Nintendo cooperating with Game Grumps is more surprising for me than making an indie amiibo, lol.
Next indie amiibo I want is Hollow Knight!
@JaxonH
Sigh...
This isn't about entitlement. This is more about several things. Things such as unlocking content that usually comes standard now. Sure, Shovel Knight is a retro game and retro games usually didn't have this kind of multiplayer. But still, if this practice is accepted, how do you think it will affect games in the future?
Secondly, we are looking at Amiibo move now into unlocking entire gamemodes. Splatoon sort of did this with unlocking the missions and now we have Shovel Knight unlocking co-op mode. Amiibo started off as these figures that would unlock small quirks in games, this was one of the biggest arguments people made about Amiibo when people claimed it was basically on-disc DLC locked behind Amiibo and that people claimed it was just something small that you wouldn't give you less content really from the game. This, it does, you lose the ability to play with a friend.
Lastly, these Amiibo will not be available to everyone. And those where they will be available, they may never be able to unlock the content anyway whether they wanted to or not simply because of how the Amiibo stock issues work. Some people will be stuck paying more than the ~$15 and considering how this is going to be an Indie Amiibo, you cannot seriously think it will have any better numbers manufacture, if better at all compared to the other first party Amiibo.
Seriously, this entitled argument is really becoming weak against blinded consumers.
@ikki5
If it was removed from the game's original vision I would agree. But as long as it wasn't, then it shouldn't matter how big or elaborate or basic the content is- extra is extra.
For a game that traditionally includes MP, sure, again I could understand. But this game did not. Hence why it was never included.
It shouldn't matter if you get an entire game mode for amiibo- that's a GOOD thing! More value to the customer who buys amiibo! But you will say to me "at the expense of value to those who bought the game". But that is not so- if it's extra, it's extra. Entire game mode or not. Is your eye so jealous that you would envy the value bestowed on amiibo customers? Are you not still getting a fully realized game? How much content is unlocked by amiibo, as long as it's extra, detracts zero value from the original game
@DarthNocturnal
"I think that's the problem most have; it just feels like it didn't need an amiibo to unlock. And it may very well NOT require it, should the content come to other platforms."
That is a moot point. We have no idea when, or if that would ever happen, so how is that a justifiable point? We have no idea how this deal is worded. If X1 and PS4 were to get co-op free of charge, then sure you can complain. I just can't see it happening though, as this completely came out of left field. I understand the concern, I do, but I don't see it.
What we do know is, this amiibo will unlock a lot of content for Nintendo consoles only, not only for this game, but future ones as well. I think what a lot of people are missing here is that this really shows a solid relationship with Yacht Club Games. Good for Yacht Club, and good for Nintendo.
Nintendo has been doing a lot with indie devs lately which I like. Usually those games are far better than what larger 3rd parties can muster up and they are much more unique. I think since those large 3rd parties have deserted them, Nintendo is trying to gain more indie respect. Which would then make sense for them to go a no optical drive route for the NX since most indie developers release on the eshop.
I was not expecting the Grumps to show up in the trailer. Neat surprise.
I like this. Of all third party characters not in Smash Nintendo decides to go with an indie character.
@JaxonH
"It shouldn't matter if you get an entire game mode for amiibo- that's a GOOD thing! "
No it isn't, it will never be a good thing because like I said which for some reason you keep ignoring is that some people will never be able to experience that gamemode due to shortages or just not being offered in their region. This will be something locked away from millions of people, even people who would want to play the gamemode. And no, if they start adding in gamemodes, I am not then getting the full extent to the game. I was annoyed enough with DLC often times because of the extra costs it brought but this... this is far worse as this is basically DLC that is only offered to those with a lot money and those who can shove the most through a line. If they had to do this, make it available to buy without the Amiibo, preferably at a reduced cost but... knowing Nintendo, it won't happen so whatever, at least make it available to all.
It just sickens me how you keep looking at this as rewarding those who buy Amiibo when there are thousands of people trying to buy other Amiibo but can't and because they can't, they get punished. You call me entitled or Jealous? Sorry, I'm not, but you, you're greedy, selfish and ignorant. You are lacking the understanding that some people try to buy Amiibo and won't go and spend $50-$80 on some Amiibo for some costume or gamemode such as myself. You support a practice that could tear the multiplayer gaming and other game modes apart and for what? A toy? just sad.
I think the biggest issue here is Nintendo (oA?)'s continued reliance on terrible 'hip' youtubers. Give me the awkward sincerity of NoJ's directs anyday.
That said I don't think Shovel Knight was really all that deserving of an amiibo. He was exclusive to Nintendo for mere months before jumping ship to other systems (with more content to boot!)
That said, I don't care for amiibo, so if this keeps people happy, let it be!
@ikki5
"Lastly, these Amiibo will not be Available to everyone."
To be fair, Nintendo has been very good about keeping decent stock with third party characters. I've seen Megaman, Pac-Man and Sonic plenty of times, even while living in NA. In-fact, I can buy 2 of them off of Amazon right now for under $13. I don't see why Shovel Knight would be an exception here.
This is awesome news Reenforcing the Nintendo platforms as the definitive versions of this amazing game couldn't be happier.
Super Shovel Knight and Shovel Knight 64 confirmed.
You heard it here first.
@MoonKnight7
Try finding:
Ike $30 amazon
Rosalina $40 amazon
Lucina $35 Amazon
Marth $37 Amazon
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Palutina
Metaknight
Robin $42 Amazon
and a bunch others. Even with the restocks, there are none on the shelves and most stores, don't even get time to put them on the shelves before they are sold. Yes, they've been re-stocking them but they are still far behind to even come close to meeting the demands.
@ikki5
I said "third party characters."
I'm not arguing with the fact that you are accurate about the ones you listed. What I am saying is that Nintendo has been keeping good stock on third party characters.
@DarthNocturnal
Fair enough friend. Fair enough.
@ikki5 Buy an Amiiqo. You get to access this content without supporting such a poopitypoopoop practice as amiibo. If everyone did it, we would be able to control this corporate behavior, and locking content behind amiibo will no longer be a thing.
@Bowser908 Is it really that hard to write a post that doesn't include profanity? (Jazzer)
@Bowser908
Until Nintendo locks your NNID from stuff... Which I can see happening. Then you're really stuck.
Wait is there an option to buy Co Op separately? Cause i love that amiibo,but i don't think i'm going to find this and that's a bad thing. I'm missing out content and others who might never get it,or they can for like 100 dollars a piece. Which is BS! They can't do this! If Nintendo had this amiibo thing undercontrol then i wouldn't care. But they don't and that's what pisses me off.
Yeah, game grumps
Everyone, let's keep this a secret from other companies. It would be awful if other game publishers knew the secret for being able to charge for co-op.
There's no release date yet, though, right?
@Nomad: First thing I thought when I opened this article.
To all you amiibo slackers who can never find any, wave 6 just went live at Target (desktop site only), along with a whole truckload of restocks- Splatoon 3 pack, Marth, Pit, Wii Fit Trainer, etc.
@ikki5 It is impossible for the Wii U or New 3DS's NFC reader to tell if it is reading a real Amiibo or an Amiiqo. Quite literally, because they use the same exact technology and the NFC readers do not have any kind of security protection. An Amiiqo with the data for Mario acts exactly like a Mario Amiibo, except it doesn't come in a toy.
@TwilightAngel
It's been under control for the most part since the Jiggly restocks. And you can get almost any amiibo from Amazon for the $20 range if nothing else.
Btw, you want amiibo there's about 20 different ones that just went live on Targets desktop website (see above post). The shortages are a thing of the past, and restocks are here.
Go get whatever amiibo you want right now, while they're available. And retro 3 pack is also still up at GameStop website. Has been for a month. And Splatoon Boy and Girl on Amazon.
Amiibo are everywhere
Nice! I'm sure Shovel Knight will be hard to get
@JaxonH It aint worth it buddy, just have a drink with me and lets chill.
@Cyber-BLP--
So how's it goin? I should show you my amiibo collection, give me a sec to get it uploaded to postimag
@Cyber-BLP--
Almost complete!
image upload no size limit
@JaxonH
I'm alrght. Enjoying my holiday for the year. Miss my girlfriend though. I'd post my amiibo army, as she calls it, but I haven't got a recent pic since adding Toad. Plus I'm looking at storage/displays now too.
How are things for you?
@RainbowGazelle
No not really. They are giving you tons of FREE DLC. DLC that most companies make you pay as a standard. Batman probably made more than summer blockbuster movies yet nothing is free in that game.
They are an indie company not EA or Warner.
You aren't being rational.
So it's not locking the main dlc which will be free but extra modes not included in the other versions and quite likely paid(for free) or exclusive content in new games.
ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE!
Well actually freaking awesome.
@JaxonH
Thanks for that Target update! I just got Rosalina, of which I thought would never see the light of day again.
@MoonKnight7
Ya no problem. You're the only one I'm aware of that actually went and ordered an amiibo from that update. So many people complaining they can't find amiibo, yet when you tell them they're all in stock, no one buys them.
Makes me think most people have no intention of actually buying amiibo, just complaining they can't find them.
@RainbowGazelle like Nintendo did with yarn yoshi? You do realize that's not all it does right?
It will be mine. I will be happy.
@Yorumi
I've never complained about other 3rd party games, nor have I complained about Nintedo. When I bought Killzone Shadowfall with my PS4, I didn't complain about a lack of co-op. Nor did I complain when they started charging $20 for co-op as DLC. Even though it's a game that traditionally has co-op, yet removed it to sell for $20 a few months after release.
I'm not complaining about the $40 season pass for Arkham Knight, not am I complaining about the $100+ in weapons you can buy for Gears Ultimate. So I certainly am not going to complain about Smash Bros, which to my knowledge has even more modes, more characters, and more content than any previous game. Neither am I going to complain about Shovel Knight, a game whose creative vision was fully realized a year and a half ago and has 3 free expansions releasing, if they want to toss in a co-op mode for the amiibo. Some retro games have co-op, but this one didn't.
I realize that development costs aren't what they used to be. I realize that game cost has only risen by $10 in 30 years, and that games should be costing much more accounting for inflation. Developers are getting paid less nowadays for exponentially higher development costs. I recognize the old ways had to give way sooner or later.
Does that mean I'm ok with incomplete games? No. But I don't see Shovel Knight as incomplete. I don't see Smash as incomplete. I don't see Mario Kart as incomplete- although I was upset about the lame battle mode. I see full games, complete games, and I see additional content being sold because that old formula of $50/60 a game isn't enough to cut it nowadays. And I'm ok with that- I accept that.
I'm inclined to agree with both sides in the argument going on here. On one hand, amiibo do need their uses and it's good they're actively seeking ideas for it.
On the other, the stuff that impacts the games beyond an aesthetic — Link's spinner in Hyrule Warriors, pixel Toad in Captain Toad, co-op in this... well, I'm just saying that not everybody wants amiibo and it's a little unfair to ask consumers to buy them to see that sort of thing. I agree with whoever said above that Nintendo could offer that particular content (i.e not the Mario Kart costumes etc.) as paid eShop purchases while remaining "free" for amiibo supporters.
At the end of the day though, trading barbs with each other here is not conducive and being disrespectful to each other won't make your arguments heard any louder. We all have different thoughts towards what we want from our purchases and as such we all should have the right to say what we think about it without calling one party entitled and the other one sheep.
If I see this in the shops I'll def pick one up tho I'm not crazy about the sculpt.
I'll buy it. I wish they made an exclusive boss battle like the other versions. Why can't we play multiplayer on the 3DS version? That is a strange mode to lock
Ugh. I was looking forward to a Nintendo version of the FREE content that the other two companies got. I was really hoping that was one of the Mega Ton announcement.
I have no interest in amiable other than thinking of how colourful the landfills of the future are going to be, but I love these threads.
New drinking game: every time the word 'entitled' (or any derivative) is used, take a shot. We will all be too drunk to argue within minutes.
Why not an option to pay for the coop on the e-shop separately? I get it you want money for extra modes but why hide it behind sold out figures? I am confuse...
@JaxonH
Nice amiibo setup btw. Looks great! Mine just sit on a plain, boring shelf; all while my cat stares at them wishing he could knock them over. Haha.
@Bowser908 you were given a second chance to be in this site, if you keep using profanity and posting aggressive stuff like before, I'm afraid it will be a short second chance.
So please, calm down.
It's weird that now I'm interested in the game once they annouce an amiibo for it. I bet quite a few commenters have the opposite reaction though.
Speaking of which, it seem as if certain groups of people would complain about amiibo just for its very existence. When there's minor features, people say it's useless. When the featured became a bit more useful, people call them money grabbers. When they become hard to find, people think their out of print and don't keep an eye for restock like the Splatoon 3-pack at Target right now.
Granted there is also people here that voice good opinions for amiibo, uses, and availability. To them, thank for keeping the scale balanced and from saving me from retypes.
As long as each amiibo is utilize in someway in more future games (and past) and not just lock to one or two, I'm happy. That's where I see the value.
@ikki5 don't worry. You don't have to buy it.
@Yorumi
I thought we could try starting fresh, keeping things civil. Provided that's ok with you of course.
I don't disagree with much of what you said, particularly about Shovel Knight costs and Nintendo's power.
But the co-op I think comes down to context, context, context. Was it a game that removed co-op for the sake of selling it, or if they just straight up started charging $15 for co-op on the eShop, I'd be inclined to agree. But neither of those hold true. Co-op wasn't part of the vision, it was only added because they needed something to throw in with the amiibo. And it's more like $12.99 for a collectible figure, which also happens to toss in a co-op mode, as well as customization, as well as upgrades, as well as 3DS challenges. So the co-op is a very small part of that $12.99, and only as a little knick knack toss in feature, which would have never otherwise seen the light of day as a game feature.
Looking at it in that context, I see no issue.
@ikki5
Those amiibos you listed are available on Amazon Spain and Germany for 12-15€ with tax (it removes the 20% tax if you're buying from US/Canada. They are like 17-20$ each including shipping depending if you buy in bulk. Also your Amazon account works in all European Amazons.
This thing made me grin. I really like it. Its crap though that it unlocks co-op. That should never be a thing you have to pay to unlock. Alt costumes and little things are fine I suppose for the people who are okay with DLC. I really don't like DLC practices.
@Pablo17 yacht club has stated that they are responsible for production of their own amiibo
@Ichiban
Me too. XD But only if we get a Shiggy one.
How did Nintendo let game grumps do this commercial?
@Artwark yacht club picked them because they are friends actually
@MoonKnight7
I used to just display on a normal shelf but then I found a seller on Etsy.com who makes custom shelves.
Lol lol your cat schemes and ponders to head ram your shelf and knock all your amiibo over
So you know all the Splatoon amiibo are available right now if you need them.
Inkling Girl @Amazon
Inkling Boy @Amazon
Splatoon 3-pack @Target
Wave 6 + 10 rare restocks @Target (some probably sold out by now)
I know a lot of people wanted those Splatoon amiibo, and now is their chance
@rjejr
Read my above comment. You wanted Splatoon amiibo, no? Well go go go go go!
"Money grabbing." But Plague of Shadows is free.
Some people need to raise their awareness.
@Yorumi
I see what you're saying, most definitely.
I guess the thought that comes to my mind is, is it feasible to keep increasing content and scope indefinitely? Honest question. Maybe it is, Idk? Then again, maybe we've hit a plateau where the returns don't justify the investment.
I always saw the HD era as the end of an age. From this point on, I expect to see marginal steps forward.
Awesome, first day purchase.
@Yorumi
"It's just watching the shift in things, amiibo went from unlocking some cosmetic things to now unlocking entire game modes."
Need I remind you that all people did (including this very site) is complain about amiibo when they just unlocked costumes in MK8. Saying things like, "A $13 figure is not worth it for a costume." Nintendo is damned if they do, damned if they don't.
So, my guess is that Shovel Knight 2, or whatever it'll be called, will have co-op 2-player options from the start.
Fingers crossed for Shield Knight being playable in the sequel.
@JaxonH
Haha, yeah, like many cats, I'm pretty sure he's plotting against me and my amiibos.
That's pretty sweet, maybe I'll do a setup like that one day. I do enjoy showing them off.
@Yorumi
http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_courses_in_the_Mario_Kart_series
In the video he has a gold base, similar to smash amiibo. Yet other images show off a purple base. Why they discrepancy?
@Yorumi
Hmm... I guess I don't really disagree, I just see things from a different perspective is all.
As a person who enjoys gaming, I don't think too much about how much value a game has. I'm generally ok with most everything, as long as the game is fun. I may wait on a sale every now and then for some indies, but that's about it.
Basically, I take the approach of buying all platforms, cherry picking the best and ripest of each, and just having fun with it. What you say may indeed be true, but I love games and as long as I feel they're still worth buying, I dont think too much of it. It helps being a GCU member at BB where I can pre order $60 for $47.99 and. $40 games for $31.99. Now, if the price was like $100 a game I might be a little more considerate of value. I guess at this point, I just think nothing of it.
@Yorumi
Maybe the difference between us is I value having a physical collection of highly rates games, so when I buy a game I feel like a book lover adding a masterpiece to his collection. Whereas you on the other hand, are solely looking for the gaming experience. So you see no value in paying MSRP for a game that won't last but 10-20 hours when you could buy a game that lasts 60-100 hours, while I also see value in owning that prized game forever as a piece of a collection of top-tier games. And again, the GCU discount helps ease the pain of purchase
@Bowser908 Amiiqo will be much rarer, illegal, and expensive than Amiibo. But if you want to scavenge the black market for a 70 dollar boring black disk so can ruin nintendo's business, go ahead.
@Yorumi
Ya true that, I also value the game over having it on my shelf. I guess having in the collection is just a nice added oomph. I still buy digital games if they're good, but I find myself being a little more picky than with physical. Like Fatal Frame. I can't believe we're the ONLY region not getting a physical release in at least some capacity, but, I weighed it and decided to buy anyways. Had it been physical though it would have been no questions asked.
StarFox is a good example of short but epic. I don't regret buying the 3DS remake, and I'll be grabbing SF Zero this November, but it's an exceptionally fun game in a genre that is all too rare and even when done, is rarely done right.
@amiiboacid Amiiqo is not illegal, Nintendo didn't copyright the Amiibo data and didn't patent the NFC technology. It's not being sold on the "black market", but actual, legitimate resellers, and the USB version out soon will be $30.
It's not "ruining nintendo's buisiness", it's controlling Nintendo's behavior. Amiibo is a terrible practice, so I will not give money to Nintendo and encourage them to continue doing it. I'm going to access the content I rightfully should while voting "I don't like this, Ninty" with my dollars. If it ruins their Amiibo business, that is exactly what I'm going for. They'll get the message and stop.
How is this different from not buying from a restaraunt I know has lax sanitation rules, and thus low-quality and contaminated food? If this has been revealed to me, I see this as a bad practice, and I will buy my food from another vendor. I'm voting with my dollars and saying "hey, stop this, you scumbags", and people would join with me to effect change.
In what way is this fundamentally different? Don't spend money on products that hurt you, find an alternative.
I need this guy for Smash Bros. now Nintendo.
First of all. I don't have that many Amiibo, but Shovel Knight will be mine... if I can get ahold of him at regular price.
@JaxonH I generally agree with you, but that one rule about amiibo being that the content shouldn't be planned. That's just not going to cut it for me. DLC is planned. All of it is planned, now. Years in advance in many games. Amiibo content is sometimes thrown in at the end right now (See Miyamoto comments on Star Fox for instance) but I'd rather Nintendo planned it from the start.
I get that some people don't want the physical tie-in to limit the games and all that, but you do understand the bigger point. Monetization in the game industry has to come from somewhere. Some stuff publishers try is insulting to the players, but most of it is in reaction to demands of the players. Players just don't see it that way.
Look at reactions to prices of games. People won't buy games in franchises they love because it's $10 or $5 higher than a previous version. On stores for digital devices it's insane from an independent developer's point of view what has happened. Games that aren't free are pretty much overlooked immediately. Consumers almost demand to be tricked into paying what is necessary to hold up the industry.
I see Amiibo as a way to help pay for game development in a fun way. The reduction in the amount of features for the base cost of a game is just consumers demanding to pay less than is possible for a sustainable game industry.
As advice to gamers I always say support and pay for what you want more of. That's why people who pirate games, especially in niche genres are destroying their own past-time.
Anyway, all the kicking and screaming about DLC and Toys 2 Life is understandable and people should react to what they don't like but there is an amazing lack of perspective in this past-time. The immediate attack on the bottom line that happens when someone tries to be frank about the realities (Xbox One) means that game consumers are going to keep getting new tricks from publishers rather than transparency.
I'm not saying there is any easy solution either.
Meanwhile, my biggest complaint about Amiibo is the same as always and is being fixed too gradually. Scarcity is helping no one but scalpers and it takes the fun out of it the in-game features undermining the whole system.
@aaronsullivan
What I meant was, not planned for the original vision of the game. They can plan it, just not for the original vision and then remove it
@JaxonH Fair enough, but no one can evaluate that in any appreciable way. Even in the development team itself by the end, probably. I mean, most projects gain features as they are being designed (especially in an agile development method) and most projects lose features as they approach deadlines. There are dozens of factors. That happened before Amiibo and now after. To me, it makes no difference. DLC, Amiibo. It's just trying to make a game people want and actually get paid for it.
Well, this has cemented my belief that Amiibo are the worst thing Nintendo's ever created. Remember five years ago, when Nintendo said they wouldn't be the kind of company to do this? What's happened to them? I can only hope this Amiibo plague will stop soon, or else whole games might be locked behind these money-grabbing plastic content locks.
@TobiasAmaranth Commander Video would be awesome if he had the colour streamers coming from behind him, though.
Game Grumps was more surprising than the amiibo tbh
@uhhhhhhhh This advert was made by the game grumps (a popular gaming channel on YouTube) who make their adverts cheesy deliberately as a joke.
@wariowarewolf
Nintendo said they didn't wanna do a lot of things that they now realize they must do to stay in business. Like mobile games. They didn't want to, but now they realize they need to. They should be commended for their reluctance when most companies were paving the way, head first no questions asked. At least Nintendo only gave in as a last resort, not because they wanted to.
But about being the worst thing ever and entire game modes being locked. Everything is locked. A game is locked on a disc you don't own until you buy it. Digital games are "locked" on the eShop until you purchase them. Everything in the economy is locked until you pay for ownership. Amiibo content is no different. Like the game itself, it's locked away- you have no access- until you pay for it.
I'm all for entire game modes being locked behind amiibo. Because that means I get to UNlock entire game modes for $12.99. And as stated previously, as long as those game modes weren't part of the original vision for the game, it's all extra.
So yes, lock more and more and more! PLEASE lock away as much as possible- hopefully one day I can get entire GAMES unlocked through amiibo! As long as it wasn't removed from a fully realized vision of the game, it's all extra and the more that's locked, the better the value
@FLUX_CAPACITOR @JaxonH Look not all of us were born with golden spoons in our mouths like the two of you clearly were. Some of us are very limited with our gaming budget and can't afford dozens upon dozens of Amiibo to get everything out of our games, and that doesn't even take into account the fact that some Amiibo are impossible to find and cost upwards of $50 a piece online.
@Neko_Rukiafan
I was born poor as dirt, and earn every penny I have.
You don't need amiibo to get everything out of your games anymore than you need to spend $150 on costumes, skins and weapon packs to get the most put of [insert AAA game here].
You're already getting your full game for what you pay. Amiibo has nothing to do with that. If they were stripping out levels from Mario Bros, giving you 4 worlds with the game and 4 with amiibo, THEN you would need amiibo to get the most out of your games.
But as it stands, you're getting as much out of your games as you have been for the last 20 years. The amiibo content is ABOVE AND BEYOND that.
If you don't want to buy dozens upon dozens of amiibo, then don't. You're not missing anything out of the game you paid for. All you're missing is additional content above and beyond the game you paid for.
It's like buying a console and then saying, well unless I buy the power charger, the TV remote, the docking hub, a 1TB hard drive, an entertainment center to put it on, etc, I'm not getting everything out of my console. Well, yes you are, those are just additional, optional purchases that while yes, they certainly enhance your experience, they are not needed to get everything out of the console you paid for.
@Bowser908 Its not like buying food from another restaurant if you dont like the bad food at the resturant you were at. It's like stealing the food you dont like from the restaurant you were at. Thats precisly what your doing.
When I said the black market I was exaggerating. Though you will have to find obscure websites and buy it as quickly as you can before it rightfully gets taken down by nintendo.
The main uses of amiibo (Smash and Mario Party) are only possible with the NFC technology, most of the other games with Amiibo just have small character themed extras that wouldn't of been added without Amiibo.
All amiiqo is doing is stealing from nintendo, it is immoral and wrong.
I remember games being £30-40 twenty years ago. The majority are still £30-40, but inflation means they cost comparatively less. I wonder if some of the shift to merchandising is due to this, along with possible shrinking markets. Ultimately, I don't mind paying if the content is worth it in whatever form it takes. Making it worth it is the key though. I'd love Lego Dimensions, but to unlock all content, it would cost over £600 and that is simply not a good value game since I am not bothered one bit about the lego playsets. The same thing goes for Skylanders, Inifinity and those Animal Crossing cards. Shovel Knight though - yes, it does lock content behind the amiibo (so did Splatoon) - but it was a decently-priced game anyway and I feel, personally, that it's worth the cost, especially if I can get the amiibo from the Nintendo Store at £11 instead of £15 from GAME. I won't be sucked in by marketing though - I will never desire that large Mario in Mario Maker, and even though I really like the large Woolly Yoshi, I know it doesn't give me anything more than I have already. Companies are out there to make money - it's extremely important to be picky about what and where you buy.
@JasonH I swear, the only reason I come to the site and read the comments is to see you provide logic, calm rational reasoning and facts to the discussion. It's a shame when I see so many comments missing the point or thinking they "have" to purchase an Amiibo or a piece of DLC. It's optional, therefore, you are not required to purchase it. Of course, there's so much negativity in today's gaming culture, it's become less about playing and having fun with the games and the products we buy, and more about complaining about every little thing under the sun, whether it be big or small. I just don't see the logic behind it really. What a colossal waste of time to continually be negative and have a depressing outlook on most things companies do, especially Nintendo it seems. It's like, why bother gaming if most of your time is spent complaining. Might as well just stop playing games at that point if it bothers you so, or go to PC gaming or something else.
Of course, I'm not saying you can't be critical towards something, but this is just ridiculous. So many asinine comments in this article. The entitlement is real. facepalm
It bugs me that amongst all of the complaints in this thread nobody has talked about what a great opportunity this is for such a small studio. Congrats to them.
I personally don't care about the Shovel Knight Amiibo but like where this is heading. It'd be so hype if other indies get in on this action (Runbow, I'm looking at you).
@faint People prefer to focus on the negative when it comes to video games now these days. Tis a sad truth unfortunately, but at least not everyone is like that. It's an incredible honour to be the first indie developer, or developer that's not Nintendo to have an Amiibo. Yacht Club games should be proud.
@wariowarewolf I agree. I think people are missing the point: this content isn't priced the same as the competition. Yes you are also getting the figure in the price, but the problem is that's the only way you can get it. If they put all the challenges modes out there for Splatoon for 15 or 20 dollars than there is no argument. Simply decide if that content is worth it. As it is now they are locking content behind difficult to track down figures that a lot of people might not even want. Thus if you want everything for a game you are forced to buy a chunk of plastic you might not even want.
Everyone saying they aren't hard to get they are still far harder than logging in and downloading content from an Xbox for DLC.
@Syrek
Well thank you! I'm glad someone enjoys reading my comments anyways lol.
But I have to say, you pretty much nailed it yourself. So much time spent complaining over every single little thing that can even remotely be argued as a negative. Even things that most people see as a good thing- people find a reason to complain about.
I totally agree. Why even bother gaming if you hate it so much you're complaining about something different every day. Might as well pick up a more relaxing hobby, like collecting stamps. Or something, Idk lol...
That's not to say no one should ever complain about anything. But there's a difference between once in a while, and every day- every article. I got pretty pissed off with NoA chinsing us on LE's. EVERY OTHER REGION is getting (or already got) a Mario Maker amiibo bundle, an original New 3DS, a physical copy of Fatal Frame, etc and I genuinely was upset about that. It happens, sometimes you just get frustrated. But man, this is SO beyond that. I can't read a single article on NintendoLife anymore without seeing a cluster**** of complaints in the comment section. Just an unGodly amount of complaining.
@Syrek I feel like your post is sort of arrogant and the same things you said could be said back to yourself. After all you are on a forum complaining about people complaining and then judging them for complaining in the same breath. Of course you say at the end it's ok to be critical of something you don't like, but you spent the whole post detailing that it wasn't in your opinion. Besides what's the point of these boards of it isn't discussion?
That being said Jaxon is certainly one of the more level headed of the bunch even though I usually disagree with some of what he says.
I think what you see as complaining or entitlement are people who feel strongly that what Nintendo is doing is not right, but are at an impasse because they are huge fans and still want to play everything on a game without having to buy figures to do so. Why can't Nintendo just do standards priced DLC?
And to return the arrogance with arrogance I come here because I find it funny to see raging fanboys who 2 years ago preached about how awesome Nintendo was that they were so good about DLC and decried all other systems and are now ardently defending the same practice because it's Nintendo.
@amiiboacid Please tell me you aren't being serious. Please not be serious.
Okay, let's see Google's definition of "steal".
"take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it."
Read this carefully. It implies that "stealing" something means that you take something, and the person you stole from does not have it any longer. This is true for physical goods. It would be stealing if I snuck into a Nintendo warehouse at night and loaded a huge sack with Yarn Yoshis. But this is not, because no one is being deprived of anything.
And, no, it will not be taken down. Amiiqo, let me repeat, is not IN ANY SENSE illegal. Nintendo didn't copyright their Amiibo data, so they CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT claim it is piracy. These websites are moderately large resellers, not "obscure".
Smash, Mario Party, Splatoon, Shovel Knight, etc. all lock substantial content behind Amiibo. Even if the content is just "character-themed extras", it's still wrong.
God, it's like you can't be bothered to have an actual conversation, you're just repeating your conclusion again and again and again, because you don't know how to respond to reason. No, just keep believing the anti-sharing and anti-cooperative propaganda paid for by your friendly neighborhood MPAA.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR
>almost all just cosmetic add-on
Wow, if I ignore the Amiibo content that aren't cosmetic add-ons, all Amiibo content is just cosmetic!
The kay word here is "almost". You know companies, look at DLC on the big two. Give them an inch and they take the galaxy.
@Bowser908 But amiiqo lets you have content that you have to pay for...without actually paying for it. That's ike going to see a movie or play, without paying for the tickets. It's still illegal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3ioiq6/maintenance_for_smash_bros_3ds_wii_u_on_august/
@Bowser908 Yeah thats the truth for physical goods, but not for digital. You are copying amiibo without having the amiibo. You are stealing the amiibo, as you have a copy, and you didnt pay nintendo for the copy. Its just like downloading a game or dlc you have to pay for for free.
The main retailers that sell amiiqo will be told by nintendo to stop selling them, untill only obscure ones are left.
Now, I want you to tell me how the smash amiibo content will work without amiibo, come on, tell me.
I would be okay with if it only did what it was advertised to do, back up amiibo data. It dosent even do that, it just transports the data one-way.
I remember a time when co-op used to be free. Now it's not clear what's going on other than that companies are being greedy and trying to get consumers to buy as much add ons as possible instead of focusing their attention on making great games.
I wonder what'll be the next game that locks standard game modes to DLC.
I'm surprised Rayman is not playable!!!
Nintendo kiss and make up with Ubi.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Nice try friend. Perhaps try reading next time.
First of all the individual's tone was arrogant and that's why I called it that. It was textbook holier than thou about people expressing concerns about a product on a forum designed for discussion. He acts as if somehow he is better than others because they have nothing better to do than complain while he himself is complaining on a site instead of playing the games he adores. THAT'S irony.
Second it isn't another product line. It is DLC: pieces of a game that are sold separately that add to or complete the game you purchased. I'm saying they need to offer the DLC to people not interested in a figure that just want to play the game and all aspects of it.
Third never did I say they should stop making amiibo. Personally I love the little statues even if I hate their availability. I simply stated that there should be options and I think even the staunchest amiibo defender would agree.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR @JaxonH
I'm out of Budweiser guys. :/
Let's focus on the story here. Yay independent amiibo. Yay Nintendo is letting them use the brand name. Yay They have to make it themselves. Yay the use of amiibo is down the individual studio.
Seriously? 1! ONE AMIIBO OUT OF 71 SO FAR! And you lot think it's the end of the bloody world. God forbid if you're in a room with 70 other people, one sneezes, and you declare everyone there now automatically has the flu.
Yeah!! This is awesome! I will buy this in a heartbeat. Is there any news about a US release?
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Right clearly no point in trying to have a discussion with you. Have a good day.
Sweet, I'll buy one
Rayman?? Trophie all we getting?
@FLUX_CAPACITOR , go you, and all those unreasonable entitled folks who want something for nothing.
Whiners going to whine. It's like people think that the purpose of a company that employs people isn't to make money. The only reason i show up to my job is for the money, which i need to feed and support my family, so why should they be expected to be different and offer up charity or convenience out of the kindness of their heart. It's BS. Supply and demand isn't something you can just expect people to ignore. It's clearly a feature that's been developed after the fact, hence it isn't on Xbox/PS4, so it's hardly a surprise that they would want some compensation for their work. Given the fact you get a tangible item and some additional content i fail to see how this isn't decent value. Perhaps it would be nice if you could purchase this stuff without the Amiibo for a cheaper price but that's not really the consumers decision and it's not rational to expect them to make buisness desicion with anything other than profitability in mind. This idea that all these features would exist regardless and now they're just adding them behind a paywall is ridiculous, how could anyone know that? If anything video games are adding value compared to yesteryear not taking it away, sure EA are scummy with online passes and stuff but this isn't the same thing. Just absurdity.
Wow there's a lot of negativity here. I'm happy to see Shovel Knight getting it's own Amiibo. It was a fantastic game and it's cool they're even considering things like this. Hopefully this will open up the possibility of other non-nintendo Amiibo (really want a Bayonetta one to be announced).
I understand the concerns about game modes being locked behind the Amiibo, but these features don't seem too massive, don't add anything major to the game and likely weren't even considered for the game in the first place. If these were included on day one, but locked off I could see the worry, but in my opinion this seems reasonable. Shovel Knight is already a full game without these features, plus there's FREE DLC coming soon.
Yes, there is potential for Amiibo to go too far, locking out large portions of a game unless the Amiibo is bought. So far, however, they seem to be handled well, with only minor features in different games meaning that the game isn't locked behind the Amiibo. (Also availability has been an issue for many, but I won't go into that here.) And to those complaining about how Nintendo has handled the Shovel Knight Amiibo, this was all done by Yacht Club, not Nintendo.
Game companies should be trying their best to make the best game possible. However they now only appear to be trying to charge the customer as many times as possible, and this problem will only get worse. It's short sighted money grabbing companies just trying to make a quick buck instead of improving customer loyalty and looking at the long-term future.
@crimsontadpoles Please tell me what game 10 years plus ago had as much content as Shovel Knight for a 15 dollar game, and we haven't even gotten all the content of the initial purchase. Anyone against this Shovel Knight Amiibo please give me an example. It's such nonsense, Shovel Knight has provided insane value for it's price point. The Amiibo content is cool and maybe not quite worth the 12 dollar cost, but the Amiibo itself is easily worth 12 dollars as a toy/figurine, and the content isn't essential to being able to enjoy the game. In fact it's exclusive to Nintendo consoles. I'd love a Shovel Knight Amiibo and i'm the cheapest dude around, i won't even buy EA games anymore because of the online pass BS. I just don't think you're argument is historically accurate, i've been gaming since the NES and never have i been able to get the amount of value from a game that indie devs like Shovel Knight have been offering. Never. 27 dollars and you get a cool figurine, a solid length adventure, and a ton of alternate modes and ways to experience the game. That's terrific value, and damn near unprecedented.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Let me just say how thrilled I am to see you so frequently provide facts, reasons and logic to the matter. Your among a few here who aren't anal about every little thing and don't have a giant stick shoved up their arse every time Nintendo does something or someone company does something in conjunction with Nintendo. It's refreshing to say the least.
That being said, I fear your words won't reach most of these super negative individuals with warped perceptions and views on Nintendo, their practices and their products. Mind you, I don't mind constructive criticism and being upset about things that legitimately deserve to be upset about, but this article, and several others of Nintendolife, just proves how far gone some people here are and the depths of which they'll attack Nintendo and anything related to it. I sometimes wonder why this site is dedicated to Nintendo when more than half the people who comment on articles are also so angry, upset and complain about some of the most asinine things. Constantly looking at the glass half empty and too arrogant in themselves and their line of thinking to believe that anyone who says otherwise in regards to their opinions is right or has a point. No, they live in some screwed up mentality where everything Nintendo is doing and has been doing is some affront to them and nothing will please them. It's truly sad really, to see such large amounts of negativity congretating all in one spot with only a few individuals who aren't entrenched in some twisted logic.
With that being said, if you still want to tackle those who are disillusioned and filled with negativity, be my guest. I wish you the best of luck.
@GrizzlyArctos
"Wow there's a lot of negativity here."
Yeah. Apparently, the Shovel Knight amiibo spells the end of video gaming.
@MailOrderNinja
"I find it funny to see raging fanboys who 2 years ago preached about how awesome Nintendo was that they were so good about DLC and decried all other systems and are now ardently defending the same practice because it's Nintendo."
Nail on the head. It seems some peoples ability to appraise something Nintendo do starts and ends with "Nintendo do it, therefore its OK, and I must defend them for it no matter what"
@FLUX_CAPACITOR No, I called out a person who was being judgemental, you answered aggressively with sarcasm, I countered, and you were aggressive and sarcastic again (although my answer to you was sarcastic as well in it's opening because I was frankly a little miffed at your response)
It's clear that with a lot of people here Nintendo could do whatever they wanted and they would buy their products. There is no talking with blind fandom. You decry people attempting to have a discussion or bring anything negative to bear, on a topic that was bound to be divisive, in a place that is meant for discussion.
People are allowed to have opinions that aren't yours as long as they share them in a way that doesn't put down another individual. When that starts happening, is when I have an issue with it.
I love Nintendo as anyone I know can attest. However, I can see when the stuff they do is nonsense. I don't unilaterally agree with whatever they do because I'm a fan of gaming, not just of Nintendo. Amiibo, and all toys to life for that matter, are utter nonsense. Just because they've become the norm doesn't mean they should be. Just because people are used to being ripped off doesn't mean nobody should say anything about it. What kind of place do you want Nintendolife to be? Nobody is allowed to speak their opinion unless it's all for Nintendo?
You clearly have your opinion and you won't change it. What point is a debate when you dismiss everything the other person says before they say it?
@Kevlar44 Shovel Knight is fantastic value for the main game. However, £11 is pretty awful value to unlock co-op mode. If they added a DLC option to buy co-op for a small amount of money then I wouldn't be complaining, but having to spend £11 to unlock co-op is outrageous.
Actually, I'm not sure what I'm complaining about anymore. I don't have anyone nearby to play co-op with, and the amiibo looks great so I'll buy it anyway. I still dislike amiibo being used to unlock game modes, but this particular case doesn't bother me, especially since co-op was specifically designed as a use for the amiibo.
@Splatburst
Most Europeans on Amazon will not ship to NA. sure, it may work but the site will also try and default you to it and when you try to go against it, often times the stuff won't ship to you, at least not Canada. So those prices what I listed are accurate.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR
You missed the point too. I used those games for examples and you know what? You are actually wrong here because Mario Part 10 uses Amiibo to unlock a gamemode. That is a game that is* entirely focused on multiplayer* so what is now stopping them if they will lock modes on disc that are 100% geared for multiplayer? Obviously nothing. It isn't about whether or not this would have had MP if the Amiibo didn't exist or not, it is the fact that people will be locked away from an actual gamemode and may never be able to unlock it or they may end up paying and atrocious price. Seriously, you Nintendo Defender, Apologists are really annoying.
Your point about how often will someone be right there? That can apply for any multiplayer game. Seriously, you guys are pathetic. You go and defend something being locked away forever for some but then bash other companies for stuff that is better than this. I'd take day one DLC over this, I'd take them removing the content to charge you for it later then to never be offered this unless you fight the masses and hope for the best.
It is people like you drones that make gaming go to hell because you support terrible practices with weak, selfish arguments.
Nintendo needs to apply what it's doing with Indies to bigger publishers. Regardless, it's awesome.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR - I don't care, was just being an a......wait, I cant swear on here.
It's a year old game that no one ever thought should have co-op so I'm not sure why all the arguing over it.
@TheRegginator well they still have the game. Also you get all the stretch goals free. They could have just given them to backers and charged everyone else. Did you back it? You are getting plauge knight, king knight, Spector Knights campaigns for free as well as gender swap, battle mode, and challenge mode for free. Isn't that enough for 14.99
@ikki5 I pity you. I truly do. It's like someone robbed the joy and life from you and it's just negative, negative, negative. How sad. How pathetic. Just need to stop gaming. Period. Seriously, I don't understand how you can possibly enjoy gaming with the absolutely disgusting, foul and incredibly negative view points, opinions and thoughts you have, not to mention amazingly asinine and silly. It's understandable if your upset with something thats more logical to complain about, but this is just silly. I've said this about a view individuals here, but I pray to God that I never become such a jaded and deluded person. There's no point in gaming with such a disgusting attitude. There just isn't.
And no, I will not respond to your childish, bullcrap retorts, nor your garbage rhetoric. I won't succumb myself to such negativity and foolishness, not any longer. If I were you, I would seriously consider either moving on from all things Nintendo or just stop gaming in general. Clearly, it's doing more harm than good in your mind.
LOL@whining.
Listen up folks:
Hey, I bought the game last year and I enjoyed it and we all raved about how great it was and how it was a really amazing little game, etc etc.
Now they come out with an Amiibo for it, and they add some bonus features for those who spend money on the product, and people are crying about crash grabs?
Did Nintendo and Yacht club use a time machine to go back in time and make Shovel Knight a less enjoyable experience?
Seriously, we bought Shovel Knight...we played it...we loved it. If they would offer no Amiibo and no new content, you would not be complaining.
Also: @TheRegginator
You ask: What about people who own other versions of the game?
I guess this is an incentive to support indies on Nintendo platforms...or does entitled gamer logic dictate that getting nothing is better, as long as you don't have the option of getting more with an Amiibo?
@amiiboacid Again, stealing is not wrong because you don't pay for the stolen good, it's wrong because someone who did is now deprived of it. Really, by your logic, if I buy a used Amiibo off eBay, I'm stealing it, because I didn't pay Nintendo for it. What if someone gifts me an Amiibo? I'm getting the Amiibo for free, and not paying Nintendo for it. By your logic, this is illegal and immoral as well.
Think about it this way: if a man has a loaf of bread and I take it from him without his consent, that is stealing. But if I have a device that can make a copy of this physical item, the bread, and I do so and thus get a free loaf of bread, would you say this is stealing? Is this immoral? Is it stealing because I didn't go to the grocery store an buy a loaf myself? Just take a moment and think about that for a while. Would you sleep well at night if you banned the cloning device? Is that man a theif?
And no, Nintendo has NO legal grounds for asking the retailers to stop selling Amiiqo.
@Bowser908 Imagine you invested a year of your life, tons of capital, and your own unique creative energy into making a film.
If I can download that film for free off a site in a digital format, then no big deal right?
All your hard work, investment, and creativity is mine to take as long as I have a means where no physical media or product is being taken from you, right?
@Syrek Holy s**t somebody's butthurt.
"Oh why don't you stop gaming you pathetic negative sad little man we don't need you here your arguments are bullcrap. I mean, they are just SO OBVIOUSLY DUMB that I don't need to argue for my stance because I'm insulting you. Like, seriously, you are foolish just go away."
If you don't have an argument, don't respond with meaningless insults. You talk like a woman who uses her feminity to get the upper hand in an argument, especially with your describing this who disagree with your ideas "negative, warped, and misguided". Grow up and discuss this like a mature adult. If you are wrong, just say, "Hmm, I was wrong".
Heh, it seems that Nintendo can't win with Amiibo.
Amiibo doesn't have too many features in a game(maybe a skin or costume): OMG! Amiibo are useless!
Amiibo has multiple features, one being a new mode like co-op: OMG! Cash grab!
@Action51 Exactly. This is how free information works. We lived without copyright for centuries.
See, again, no one is stealing anything. This is sharing. What if my friends has a DVD of this movie and gives it to me? All that hard work, investment, and creativity is mine, for free. How is this different besides the fact that the friend can keep his copy, too?
We can't have that. We need an elaborate system in place to keep people from lending, gifting, and sharing books. Oh, and DVDs. And CDs. You should land in jail for giving or lending a book to a friend. Hell, it should be illegal for your friends to read any part of your copy of the book. Get rid of used game sales, those scummy people who buy used aren't supporting the developers of the game. If I bring a friend over, he and I will be arrested for both watching a single copy of a movie I paid for. We both need to buy the movie to watch together. I mean, otherwise, all that hard work and creativity of the filmmaker is being enjoyed FOR FREE by your friend, without paying. Theives. Pirates. To Hell with all of you.
Is this what you want? Because this is the logical extreme of your reasoning.
Here, RMS wrote a little short story about it:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html
@Syrek
Lol, you love getting screwed... don't you? You love having stuff potentially locked from you to never be able to experience the content. Look, Amiibo have become a plague. They started off great, it didn't really matter if you got them or not because, it was just small little quirks that didn't make any difference to your game. Well, now they do, we have (at least) three games now which are going to have actual gamemode content locked away from you, potentially forever. Not just some little skin or whatever, an actual gamemode, some locked on the disc right from day one (well, two out of the three). It is not me you should pity, it is you and your selfish, blinded attitude. I'm sorry but I take a look at the whole picture. I don't blindly follow a company like it is some sort of cult.
"Negative, negative, negative"? Sure, why? Because the positives are way out numbered now. It is like every positive, there are 2-3 negatives to follow. Nintendo has become garbage this generation which is sad because I've been in love with them for 20+ years. Yeah, 20+ years which is probably why I stuck with them so long. This gen has been garbage and it is too the point where I will be probably jumping ship from Nintendo like the majority already have, probably next gen and I'll leave you guys to getting screwed. I'd rather be paying for the DLC and actually be able to get it then have it most likely locked away forever.
I am not the one spewing garbage, it is those defending terrible, hobby breaking practices. But hey, you guys are apologists. Nintendo can't do no wrong in your eyes and you'd defend them if they murdered your child.
That logic isn't the same as mine, another example from that logic is buying an amiibo from a store is stealing, cause my dollars don't go to Nintendo, they go to the store, who bought the Amiibos will use the profits to buy more Amiibos.
Thats not like the Amiiqo. The evil corporation that makes Amiiqo dosent pay for the Amiibos you download. They stole Amiibo data and are now mass-producing it without giving a single penny to nintendo.
That bread comparison is bad. Anyone can make bread and no-one owns bread. Amiibo is owned by nintendo and only them. Plus amiibos cant be used to feed people (unless they have pica). Just imagine a product. Only one person owns that product and produces that product. A person comes along with a device that can clone that product and only that. He sells that product and makes a profit, without the owner seeing any of it. People buy the cloning device instead of the original product, causing the owner to lose money. All the products sold are still his products, but he dosent profit even though he owns it.
Nintendo can take action against Amiiqo because because it copies the Amiibo name and logo. They can also take down the amiiqo app from appstores, like they did with kill the plumber.
@Bowser908
Are you a communist? If we were guaranteed a healthy income regardless of the demand for our intellectual property, then I can see how your self-serving justification for piracy would be legitimate.
However, most of us live in capitalist society and what you describe in your original post is based on 1) a device that does not exist 2) presumably does not have demanding energy requirements.
Your response is purely creating a justifaction for your piracy and sense of entitlement. If work...whether it creates a physical product or not...does not generate revenue for those who create it, they will cease to create that content and choose to devote themselves to activities that will feed their families and pay their bills.
It's pretty simple really.
@Bowser908 I will like to make this clear: AMIIQO AND ALL PIRACY SITES ARE NOT SHARING! THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR ANY OF THE PRODUCTS! IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR GIVING SOMEONE A SINGLE COPY YOU PAYED FOR! ITS GIVING AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF PEOPLE A PRODUCT WITHOUT PERMISSION!
@faint
"It bugs me that amongst all of the complaints in this thread nobody has talked about what a great opportunity this is for such a small studio. Congrats to them."
I said the same thing in comment #75 and the last sentence in #115.
But yeah I agree, this shows a solid relationship between the two companies.
@JaxonH To be frank I'd rather pay $10 for the DLC without the figure since I only have about 200 square feet of personal living space. I just don't have the space to purchase a bunch of figures above and beyond the few must have ones.
@amiiboacid
>they go to the store, who bought the Amiibos will use the profits to buy more Amiibos.
That's not my example. My example is buying a used Amiibo off eBay or being gifted an Amiibo. Not a single dollar is given to Nintendo from you in that case.
>Thats not like the Amiiqo. The evil corporation that makes Amiiqo dosent pay for the Amiibos you download. They stole Amiibo data and are now mass-producing it without giving a single penny to nintendo.
Again, it. Is. Not. Stealing. They don't give a single penny to Nintendo, true. They're copying, sharing Amiibo data.
>That bread comparison is bad. Anyone can make bread and no-one owns bread. Amiibo is owned by nintendo and only them.
This is the big issue. Aha. See, anyone can make bread in the same way anyone can copy Amiibo data. No one owns "bread" because people would say it's ridiculous to claim "ownership" of "bread". You can own a loaf of bread, but the concept is free.
When you say "Amiibo is owned by Nintendo", you are making some bad assumptions. When you buy an Amiibo, you now own the toy, and as such can do whatever you want with it, including copying the data stored on it. Why should they disallow it? Nintendo should not license it to you, and they don't, they do not because you bought the toy, and so it is yours. This is how ownership works. "Bread" is not owned by the bread companies, and they have no right to dictate to you what you can and cannot do with their loaves of bread, because when you buy that loaf, it's yours and no one else's.
>Plus amiibos cant be used to feed people (unless they have pica).
Stop trying to distract with irrelevent comments.
>Just imagine a product. Only one person owns that product and produces that product. A person comes along with a device that can clone that product and only that. He sells that product and makes a profit, without the owner seeing any of it. People buy the cloning device instead of the original product, causing the owner to lose money. All the products sold are still his products, but he dosent profit even though he owns it.
You do not "own" a "product". You cannot own an idea. Consumers own the products they bought, the physical items. But no one owns "product".
Let's say that does happen. The cloner can sell it for far cheaper, because he need only buy one original and build a few cloners, and can clone the product indefinitely and for free. Consumers would buy the product from him, because they want to save money. That money they save will go to other things. This is how the free market works.
If you forced the cloner to stop selling the product, consumers who want that product now have to spend MORE money for the SAME EXACT product. Because it's not being cloned, their capital is going to support a much less efficient and highly resource, money, and time-wasting endeavor. The money they would have saved with cloner would have gone to other things they wanted, and thus support production and employment in other efficient firms. But in this way, consumers are forced to waste money on an industry that wastes money and employs a huge number of people (engineers, safety, workers, etc.) that COULD have been contributing to more useful and efficient things rather than going the roundabout way.
In my view, the man who made the cloner has more entitlement to profits than the man who creates the product the traditional way. Why spend more than you need to? Why bring the entire economy and every industry down? Because of this arbitrary and ridiculous concept of ownership of ideas? If the inventor can't keep up, he deserves to fall. This is the real world.
>Nintendo can take action against Amiiqo because because it copies the Amiibo name and logo. They can also take down the amiiqo app from appstores, like they did with kill the plumber.
But it doesn't. Amiiqo is different from Amiibo. They're similar, but ultimately not the same, but I do see a trademark violation lawsuit. But I don't see Nintendo going through all this trouble when 99% of Amiibo customers buy them for the figures and not just the content. Those people wouldn't be content with Amiiqo, because they want a knick-knack to display on their shalves, so they'll buy Amiibo. Amiiqo is an alternative for everyone else.
@ikki5 they can do wrong but in this context all choices are made by yacht club after Nintendo ok'd licensing I fact Nintendo isn't even handling the manufacturing yacht club is. They are not even using the same manufacturing company as Nintendo and their amiibo. In your blind rage you failed to do research and made many points in this thread that are now invalid. I myself am not an apologist or what ever new title fanboys give each to diffuse arguments. I am a lurker tho and you constantly have made negative post after negative post for months and months to the point that when I actually did read a positive post from you I had to double check it.
Thank god I'm not the only one upset about something as big as freaking co-op being locked behind a crappy McDonald's toy that cost about most of the game price. A thing as big as co-op shouldn't ever be locked, or hell game modes in general. There is no defending this bullcrap. But it always ok when some overrated indie devs/Nintendo does it.
@amiiboacid
>@Bowser908 I will like to make this clear: AMIIQO AND ALL PIRACY SITES ARE NOT SHARING! THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR ANY OF THE PRODUCTS! IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR GIVING SOMEONE A SINGLE COPY YOU PAYED FOR! ITS GIVING AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF PEOPLE A PRODUCT WITHOUT PERMISSION!
Do you even bother to read my posts?
@faint Nintendo allowed them to do it. Plus, Nintendo already does this. So therefore, Nintendo is still in the wrong and people are defending that wrong. My "rage" is not blind rage. What is blind is you guys failing to see the issue here and ignoring it when told about it. My opinion here is based and supported on the pure facts here which I have laid out and how people are going to be left out, unlike the other opinions defending this practice which are selfish and ignorant.
@Chaoz I have a few McDonald's toys and these are far higher quality. Especially Kirby and the inklings. That's from the 18 amiibo I own.
@JaxonH Wow, what a fantastic set up. I'm super jealous right now. I wish I'd kept my backing!
@ikki5 the way I see it is you are getting a ton of content for free. Sure it's stretch goals but they could just give it to backers and charge everyone else. You are definitely getting over your 14 bucks worth.
@TwilightAngel Out of all the members on NL Jaxon H certainly doesn't fit the profile of a troll.
@faint Um.. how and when is content locked by a toy that you need to buy free? Even more so when if those toys don't come to your region, or they are sold out forever really free? You'll never be able to get the content even if you do want it. You know how it is with Amiibo. This Amiibo won't be a mainstream 3rd party one either like Pac-Man or Megaman. The shortages are going to be terrible, probably worse than the ones that are already short. This is the crap you guys are supporting.
@Action51 I'm not a communist, man. I'm as free-market as they come, and that's why I support Amiiqo. Anyone who supports "intellectual property" is not one. But your comment is so utterly contentless I can't imagine you understand the meanings of the labels anyways.
>However, most of us live in capitalist society and what you describe in your original post is based on 1) a device that does not exist 2) presumably does not have demanding energy requirements.
It's a hypothetical. Just an illustrative example.
>Your response is purely creating a justifaction for your piracy and sense of entitlement. If work...whether it creates a physical product or not...does not generate revenue for those who create it, they will cease to create that content and choose to devote themselves to activities that will feed their families and pay their bills.
It seems you didn't read my comment. Of course this is true. But sharing would not lead to lost revenue that would lead to no works being made. People created works all the time before copyright even existed, and this was shared, first through scribed and copiers, then with the printing press. People will still buy movies and music and games even if they can get it for free, to support the creators and to feel peace of mind. Really, because no one is actually arrested for piracy anyways, and it's very easy, you can be sure that anyone who buys a film or song does so out of choice and support for the creators, not because they have to.
Plus, a vast majority of the money made from movies are from the initial screenings, and then only a comparatively miniscule amount of profit is made in the sales of the movie after that initial screening, unless you're milking old films as much as you can, like with Disney re-releasing Fantasia and The Lion King every five years. Same with music, musicians make money from live performances, not iTunes sales. People like the feel and longevity of physical books, and will thus buy them, and people would buy DRM-free ebooks also to support the author. Gamers will buy games if they ever want to see a sequel made and want to show their support, even if they can get a copy for free from a friend.
This is MPAA propaganda that has gotten you to believe sharing will hurt creative industries, because it won't.
>It's pretty simple really.
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@ikki5 plauge knight, specter knight, king knight campaign s and gender swap, challenge, and battle mode are free updates coming to everyone. As far as stock goes didn't I just tell you yacht club is producing them not Nintendo so they choose how many are printed not Nintendo so no it will not be a problem like other amiibo.
@ikki5 feel free to keep the back and forth going since it's clear I'm more informed on this issue
@faint
I don't think you are because you are now just dodging the issue now with brining up stuff that they added for free after the backers paid for it. This is something completely different. We are talking about content that will be lost forever for some and free content doesn't just balance that out even more so when I talked about how Nintendo is doing this as well. Maybe, Yacht Club will be smart and produce more... but them being a small indie developer without a blockbuster of resources... I can just imaging how well they'd be able to manufacture enough to meet the demands. Honestly, I don't see them doing any better or even on par with Nintendo unless they get help from somewhere.
Oh wow, a single positive article ended on a battlefield in comments. XD
oh well, it's common in "the internet", but I did not expect this on this page.
ok, meanwhile...
...eating popcorns...
upsi, sorry for the spam.
@ikki5 I think Nintendo purposely has low stock to ensure sell through. Yacht club has stated that it is their goal to have plenty of stock. Keep in mind they seem to have enough funds to manufacture and produce physical copy's for 3ds,wiu, ps4, and Xbox one in multiple regions by themselves. They seem to be very smart businessmen with very few people to pay and seem to have plans to be selling these still at least two years from now
@Bowser908 I am reading you posts. I read alot of things. Like the legal information in Nintendo's software, where it says: YOU DO NOT OWN THIS PRODUCT. YOU OWN A COPY. YOU DO NOT OWN THE CODE OF THIS SOFTWARE AND ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TOO SHARE THE CODE.
I'm paraphrasing but it's actually capitalised originally as well. You dont own the complete amiibo when you buy them, only the physical part. Unless you bought the rights or coded it youself, you do not own anything digital.
If you buy an amiibo from the store, you dont gove money to nintendo, the store gives money to nintendo. Thats completly legal. Thats free market. If you start cloning it and selling it without giving nintendo money, Thats not.
So by your logic, a person who took a few minutes out of his day to copy something and distribute infinite copies over the internet has more of a claim to the profit than the person who spent time, money, and love into the thing they created.
If all the profits go to the person who copied the software, movie, ect. Than the actual creator, no one would create stuff.
You sir, are simply a bafoon who knows nothing about business, law, and economics.
@faint Well, when I see it, I'll believe it. For now, they are sold out in the pre-orders in the places that are offering them. Of course, that could also be due to not a low of information but I'm not holding my breath for anything.
In the end, the practice is still bad and people should not be supporting it even if Yacht Club does provide enough because we already know that Nintendo doesn't.
@ikki5 they also stated that the preorder roll out of shops will take at least a week. Everybody rushed to order today in a panic because of past amiibo issues so if only one 20th of the retailers have put the stock up it makes sense. Also they will most likely open up preorders many more times between now and November. This warehouse is only making shovel knight not 6 other amiibo all at once.
@faint Well, like I said, I'll believe it when I see it, so far, i am not seeing it. And the main issue, is still an issue (and will be even if Yacht Games produces enough)
@ikki5 did you even want/own any of these? Is this just an issue of dlc? What is it you are actually arguing for? Of course you don't see it. They come out in November so it's a non issue. If you can't get one in November then fine but this is a very different situation. Really the ammibo shortages are primarily in noa and noe territory's. I just order mine from Japan and get any of them I want. As far as dlc goes I have bought plenty of dlc and recived just that where with amiibo I have a physical version of it. If I decide I don't want it anymore it has value. You can't sell back smash costumes can you. It's like having a disc instead of a download. If your issue is dlc well that's a different argument all together
@faint To play co-op with shovel knight? Sure, to play Amiibo party, yes and I did buy all the super Mario Amiibo for that. For splatoon, yes, when I get the game eventually. Now, even if I didn't, does that change that others may want to and may not get it? No.
Now this will go great with my Mega Man Amiibo, now can we get Bayonetta Amiibo?
@ikki5 I really haven't had an issue getting any of the 18 I have. like I said I import. Coop was not going to exist untill they started the amiibo deal with Nintendo. Infact the amiibo almost did something entirely different. I have no doubt you will be able to get one within a month of its release date.
@amiiboacid
>I am reading you posts. I read alot of things. Like the legal information in Nintendo's software, where it says: YOU DO NOT OWN THIS PRODUCT. YOU OWN A COPY. YOU DO NOT OWN THE CODE OF THIS SOFTWARE AND ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TOO SHARE THE CODE.
You're actually licensed a copy. I am aware of the software agreement, but the license only applies to Nintendo software and games. The Amiibo data have no such license and have not been explicitly copyrighted.
>I'm paraphrasing but it's actually capitalised originally as well. You dont own the complete amiibo when you buy them, only the physical part.
Nowhere does Nintendo assert rights to the Amiibo data. Thus, it is reasonable to assume that you own it just as you do the toy.
>Unless you bought the rights or coded it youself, you do not own anything digital.
Are you so sheltered that you've never heard of GNU and the open source movement?
Digital and physical ownership, fundamentally, are not different. Thus, you should be entitled to full ownership rights with digital content as you are with physical goods.
>If you buy something an amiibo from the store, you dont gove money to nintendo, the store gives money to nintendo. Thats completly legal. Thats free market. If you start cloning it and selling it without giving nintendo money, Thats not.
Are you against used amiibo sales as well? Because Nintendo gets no money from me if I buy an Amiibo secondhand.
That is exactly free market. People resell things. It is entirely moral and ethical, although no one is doing it yet, the price of the Amiiqo is the device itself.
>So by your logic, a person who took a few minutes out of his day to copy something and distribute infinite copies over the internet has more of a claim to the profit than the person who spent time, money, and love into the thing they created.
I wouldn't say that, I never implied that. My post was about your example, but the parallels aren't there because it doesn't cost more for the creator to copy the film than the pirate. Of course, people should be allowed to copy content and sell it without any money going to the creators. But people would still be allowed to support the creators, and they will do so. As I've already stated, we have enough proof of this as it is. It's easy to download movies and music for free, yet they continue buying DVDs, iTunes, and Netflix, and they still go to theaters. Why? To support the creators.
>If all the profits go to the person who copied the software, movie, ect. Than the actual creator, no one would create stuff.
Again, you're hinging on an iffy if. All the profits would not go to copiers, see above. Also, if you've read my freaking posts, you'd see that I've already addressed this. Filmmakers don't make their money off DVDs and iTunes, they make the HUGE majority just from the initial theater screening. After that, it's just a small added bonus. Musicians don't depend on album sales, but live performances. Software is different, but in the end, you need only see the HUGE success of Linux to understand how wrong you are.
>You sir, are simply a bafoon who knows nothing about business, law, and economics.
You're an idiot who can't think critically, and apparently can't read because you're repeating THE SAME EXACT ARGUMENTS I'VE ALREADY REFUTED. You know nothing of business, law, or economics beyond simpleminded argumentation tactics characteristic of young children.
@faint Importing still costs more, usually close to double if not more plus shipping.
How much you wanna bet it doesn't have a release date in America yet because they're trying to make it a retailer exclusive?
@Bowser908 You've repeated yourself in the past few comments by comparing Amiiqo with used Amiibo sales. If you had the capacity to actrully understand what I am saying, you and I wouldn't have the need repeat ourselfs by arguing over your comparison.
"Are you against used amiibo sales as well? Because Nintendo gets no money from me if I buy an Amiibo secondhand,"
No, I'm not against reselling. What I said before is that everyone who has purchased an Amiibo or any product the store dosent create is a secondhand market. The only first hand market are the retailers who order Amiibos directly from nintendo, then they proceed to sell them themselves. When you purchase Amiibos from store shelves, you become the secondhand owner of that individual Amiibo.
Its no different than buying them used, though you may be the third owner or higher.
"In my view, the man who made the cloner has more entitlement to profits than the man who creates the product the traditional way. Why spend more than you need to? Why bring the entire economy and every industry down? Because of this arbitrary and ridiculous concept of ownership of ideas? If the inventor can't keep up, he deserves to fall. This is the real world,"
Right there you state that the economy benefits from piracy, though that is incorrect. All piracy manages to do is deprive creaters of their profits and discourage them to create. Then you go on and have the audacity to state that the cloner has more entitlement to the profits than the person who dedicated much more resources and emotion into the original product.
Filmmakers still profit from itunes, as do muscians with alblum sales. Amiiqo dose not share any of their profits with nintendo. They clone them without any permission from the creator, nintendo. Please stop making the comparison between two unrelated business practices.
The only time I thought you are somewhat correct on is the fact that filmlovers still continue to support the creator even if they illegally pirated the movie. That is because they are a fan of the creator and continue to support them regardless.
Though you have addressed Amiiqo as an alternative to Amiibo, such as two rival resturants, and as an used-amiibo seller. Amiiqo is neither, they sell the same product as the creator, but they aren't resellers. They are underground reproduces of the nintendo owned product.
Even if nintendo dosent own the amiibo data, they own the images the Amiiqo app uses and have a right to take legal action.
I'm sorry to have to repeat my self, but this to ensure you fully understand my argument. Now, I must once more return to slumber that I was summoned out of by you reply and hopefully your ignorance will be patient enough to dely itself until morning.
@Azikira yacht club doesn't want it to be retailer exclusive. They literally announced it 24 hours ago. Hang tight.
@ikki5 Yeah I have a very bad feeling about the availability of the figure.
@ikki5 where are you getting your import prices from because that's way off. Sounds like Japanese Amazon resalers to me
@MailOrderNinja it will be fine
@faint
It doesn't matter who makes them. Nintendo own all the rights to Amiibo and can do whatever they want with them including approving the attached content. That they have decided in this case not to exercise that doesn't absolve them of responsibility.
@faint You import your Amiibo's? Any idea when Ryu will be available? I've got a spot for him right next to my Mega Man.
@TwilightAngel
Excuse me? Let's get one thing straight- I don't damage control anything. I'm going to break it down exactly how it happens here on this site.
You've got a bunch of relentless, hateful members who do nothing but come on the site and complain about EVERY LITTLE THING. Complain when Nintendo won't publish a game. Then turn around and complain when they do. You complain about not finding amiibo, but when I point out most everything is in stock on multiple occasions now, no one actually wants to buy them. Why? Because you're not really upset, you just wanted to complain about something.
No, it's not damage controlling because there's no damage to control- save the imaginary damage you've artificially constructed in your mind- but even if there was that's not the reason I would ever dispute something with someone like you. I speak from the heart about how I really feel and that's the ONLY reason I need- but that's the problem with people like you- you will make the most ridiculous and outrageous complaints and manufacture anger about every single little thing, but when normal people who are here just to enjoy the hobby say something to you and call you out as being unreasonable then you want to label them as a fanboy or damage controlling. Yet you do everything in your power to come here and make Nintendo look as bad as possible, to make it seem as if everything is such a horrible problem. You will nitpick every single little thing you possibly can- if you can even find a remote reason to complain about it you do exactly that. And you may not do it with intentional hostility toward Nintendo, but you're certainly not this way on the other sites.
So please, don't sit here and call me names and make insults toward me to other members. The reason I am always on the opposite end of the argument from people like you is because your claims are almost always unreasonable, manufactured, and always, ALWAYS negative. People are sick of hearing it. I'm sick of hearing it. If you want to have a discussion, I'm always available. But to just start blindsiding me with insults? Not only is that uncalled for, it lends itself to my characterization of you as being constantly miserable about everything.
calm down. -Morpheel
Bring on Shovel Knight costume for Mario Kart.
@Bowser908
Clearly you are either a troll trying to get attention/reactions from people, or you are simply an incredibly entitled person who is rather ill-informed.
All of your weird little theories and justifications lose any credibility when you consider what would happen in more people did what you feel you are entitled to. Sure...movies and games still make money when some people pirate them, but about if more people did? What makes you so special and entitled?
Then you talk about MPAA propaganda? Uhm...no...I'm a creative person who has created physical and digital art, and I'd like to think the work and imagination that goes into the creation of such content has value beyond whatever non-producing leeches can take for themselves.
Should a lawyer's counsel be free because there is no physical product in your hands?
I don't know why I'm still responding to someone so devoid of facts and reason, and so ill-informed and entitled. Maybe you are just a really effective troll.
@ikki5 I can go to plenty of stores and buy any Amiibo I want for its fair price. It was impossible for some months but the re-stocks finally arrived and now there aren't hard to find Amiibos, except for Little Mac (the one I really want... awesome, right?).
Hopefully the next non-Nintendo amiibo is Rusty from SteamWorld Dig.
The other Amiibo I want to see are Bayonetta and The Wonderful 101.
@JaxonH
This post is amazing. Agree 110%.
@DarkCoolEdge
Cool, come to North America.
@faint
http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2/192-0380155-3569629?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Amiibo
You'll see varying prices.
@faint I'm not saying Yacht Club Games would (They're actually really great people) but Nintendo of America on the other hand really goes heavy-handed with Amiibo Exclusivity.
@JaxonH @TwilightAngel you two better calm down. I'd recommend you to simply stop posting in this article.
@Morpheel
I'm perfectly calm- that message was from early morning hours. But hey, he wanted to start blindsiding me with insults and name calling out of nowhere, all I did was give the man a lecture in response.
No one ever says anything when I get called names and insulted, but boy the minute I answer all of a sudden NOW the mods want to step in. Would've been useful to step in beforehand, seeing as his comment was made last night sometime. Just sayin, I'm not the one throwing around insults, I'm just defending my integrity here
@JaxonH Regardless of who "started it" or when it was, my warning still applies.
It's simply that, a warning.
Knowing that I'm an amiibo fanatic, I'll probably end up picking this up anyways, but Co-Op being locked inside an amiibo is BS. I can handle clothes and weapons and minor things, but not an entire mode. That's just low right there. Unless the amiibo is extremely common, but even then everyone who buys the game should still have access to multiplayer.
@Azikira but yacht club is manufacturing and producing them. Nintendo doesn't have a say.
@electrolite77 wait I've been on this thread a while. What comment of mine are you referring too?
@XeNoUsernameHere
My main argument to counter this is:
When you bought Shovel Knight last year (or whenever) like most of us did...and you spent that $15.00, you got a great game that everyone loved and raved about.
If no Amiibo was made, if no new modes were created, if the game were left "as is"...we would all feel we got our money's worth and that the game was a real indie gem.
Now they want to make an Amiibo because a ton of people have been asking for it, and they add some bonus stuff in the game because that's what Amiibo do...and suddenly it's like Nintendo and Yacht club games went back in time to erase all the fun and value you got out of your $15 purchase.
This is what @JaxonH and others are talking about when they say people will defy common sense and logic to find reasons to complain...if this Amiibo never existed, you wouldn't think for one second that the game lacked anything (in fact we'd still be praising it), but now that they offer some bonus content, people are crying about a rip-off.
I'd say it's unbelievable, but this is gaming in 2015.
@faint I see. Mr cool guy who takes pictures of himself to use as his profile avatar doesn't feel my post was worth responding to.
@Action51
"if this Amiibo never existed, you wouldn't think for one second that the game lacked anything (in fact we'd still be praising it), but now that they offer some bonus content, people are crying about a rip-off."
That's a very good summarization of my thoughts on the matter. One of the biggest fallacies is that "co-op should be free". No such thing. When you get co-op in a game, it's because you paid for it with the price of the game. It wasn't free- none of the game's content was "free". You paid real money for that mode. Content doesn't make itself, and it's definitely not free. So if you pay for co-op in every other game that has it, why should people NOT pay for it now? But then they say "Oh well it should be included for the price". If that's how they really felt they would've been saying that when the game released, not now- some 18 months later. Up til now, everyone has agreed it's been a full game. So if that's true, how can one then demand more content, beyond a full game, for free? It's not like they just flip a switch and "Presto!" Game now has 2-player. Not how it works. There's real, actual work and development that goes into creating co-op modes. Characters, stage layout tweaking, difficulty, balancing, bug-testing.. Should an honest studio not get paid for their work?
@Morpheel I'm somewhat mystified as to why you would warn someone for a rational and well thought out reply, the internet needs more of that not less. He avoided derogatory comments and like he said was simply defending himself, why police someone that doesn't need to be policed? That's simply unnecessary censorship and to be quite honest is the type of thing that discourages intelligent people from posting. If we don't hold one another accountable for what we say, who will? As the internet becomes increasingly more of a prominent place of human interaction i think it's imperative that we hold one another accountable for our comments, even if it leads to somewhat heated, yet non-derogatory, discussions. I won't say anymore but i just don't get why that kind of comment should be discouraged, defeating perceived ignorance with a rational and well articulated opinion is a virtue to these discussions, not a hindrance, as ignorance should be met with opposition and not a deferral to political correctness.
@Kevlar44 I don't really need to explain, but he did swear in his post. Which is why I had to edit it and warn him.
@Superryanworld I just missed your post. The reason for my avatar had to do with a who are you really chit chat thread on this site.
@Superryanworld also no idea yet
@ikki5 Buy them from a european retailer.
@JaxonH and @Flux_capacitor I respect you guys for being willing to shout at a brick wall. Nintendo tends to be damned if they do damned if they don't among some "fans" that also tend to forget that A) OMG! Gaming is expensive...always has been, and since people want gaming to more in less time (like all the complaints about gaming droughts but if the games had been sub par there would have been riots) it gets MORE expensive. B) this is a company trying to reach as large of their target demographic as possible...hate amiibo? Well that sucks for you but they are here to stay until the consumer market at large decides that they don't want them anymore.
What I still don't get is that the traditional games to life setup is an entire game that you can't play unless you buy a horde of figures...Nintendo makes optional Figures and they sold their sold and sacrificed babies. Why is there not this level of disdain for Skylanders/DI/LD?
Also gamers are the only consumers I've seen have melt downs about new features...even smartphone fans that know their new shiny is obsolete in a year don't complain like this.
ON-TOPIC: I'll be getting one of these in the hopes of a new shovel knight game, or unlocks on other YC games in general. Loving the potential here as indies seem to be poised to eventually replace many B-C rank studios that have closed.
@DarkCoolEdge
Yeah, try finding one that will ship here and when you do, try finding one that doesn't inflate the price. That is something that is nearly impossible. I have only found one that won't but I will not order from them because the shipping cost is more than the Amiibo. You obviously never read my stuff before.
@Ryu_Niiyama
It's not damned if they do, damned if they don't, it is just damned if they don't. Really, Nintendo has been doing a lot of "damned if you don't." Nintendo has been very out of touch this generation from... well... pretty much everything. Think of the Wii, you didn't see a lot of complaints about games and support from that. Sure, there would be some when a major 3rd party walked away but compared to the Wii vs Wii U, there is way more "don't" than "do" and when there is do, I don't see a lot of complains unless the do is specifically one region. That's why there is so much negativity towards Nintendo this generation and people defending the bad is just going to make it worse. As for game droughts... lol, that's a joke right? Even with mediocre games, they'd be better than what the Wii U's entire life span was. There is really nothing to compare here because the Wii U has always been with long droughts. When did the whining stop? When Nintendo lied to us telling us the droughts were over after finally getting some games again in the fall. When did the complaining start again? When the droughts happened again the following year and people saw that Nintendo lied.
Hurrah! Now even stuff in overpriced third-party e-shop titles gets stuffed behind a Amiibo paywall! Just what we needed!!
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