@westman98 But the Switch version won't be anywhere near the size of the Xbox version. Going by the sizes of other current gen Switch games we'd be looking at something in the 40GB range.
This is hardly the first time Nintendo has refunded a digital game. NintendoSwitch subreddit is full of threads of people saying they got a digital game refunded, complete with screenshots.
Heck, my dad got a refund on the 3DS EShop a couple years ago after my younger brother stole his credit card to buy a Pokemon Ranger game.
@YANDMAN Ahh you are correct. I forgot about the OG WiiU release. Good call. As for the ten companies who specialize in limited releases of indie games, none of them have touched Shin'ens other two Switch releases so I'm pretty comfortable in buying the digital and not waiting for a theoretical physical game.
And to throw my hat into the "voxel vs 3d pixel" argument, voxel is literally the term for 3d pixel.
@CTmatic The game wasn't really hammered back when it first released though. It's sitting at a 79 on PS4 Metacritic which is really a solid score. There were one or two very high profile negative reviews, namely IGNs that is basically considered a meme at this point, but for the most part the game was very well regarded on release.
@VenomousAlbino @graysoncharles @Xaessya Solrock and Karp are fine. Karp especially as he's fairly fast, actually attacks, and has a Focus Sash for not dying. Helping Hand Eevee and Wobuffett can go die in a fire.
To my US based friends, I don't know if it is still applicable, but Target had a pre-order for Indivisible priced at 15 dollars yesterday. The game is supposed to be 40 when it releases. Reviews for other platforms have been really good so if it's still around it might be well worth hopping on to.
@Burning_Bacon I was super negative to most everything for a long time. Visuals, Dexit, Drednaw being another Water/Rock type...It wasn't until the datamine that I flipped and started being excited. I still have issues with the visuals and overly samey structure but I am still happy to play it.
I will be ready to lead the riot if Pokemon Spear releases next year as a 60 dollar game though.
@Yorumi VGC rules change on a per tournament basis. The 2019 World Championship allowed anything not Mythical. The only rule pertaining to the Bank was that the Pokemon had to be born or bred in Alola. So while you couldn't use the Tyranitar you've had since gen 2, you could bring it into the game, breed it, and use its son.
@Kalmaro I feel like there was a lot of pre-launch hysteria about how awful the games were going to be. And that included negatives from a gameplay perspective. Much more negativity than one would expect from a lack of effort. You would have thought that GameFreak killed all of our babies by the way some people on this site were reacting. It's weird, I definitely expect more and I also think that 60 bucks is a lot given that the leap was much smaller than it should have been, but I'm also really enjoying it. Darn you Pokemon.
@Snaplocket Definitely strong. This generation is gonna be a good one competitively.
@Kalmaro I'm speaking from a gameplay standpoint. This is my opinion from about ten hours in game, a lot of time on the SWSH Leaks Reddit pre launch, and a bunch of time in the last two days on Serebii. Almost every single new Mom has a viable stat spread/interesting ability/strong movepool. Even the Raticate equivalent has some potential in competitive play. And the designs themselves are some of the best we've ever gotten.
I agree that the game is lacking ambition and technically weak. This could have been so much more than it ended up being. I also agree that GameFreaks PR for this game was pretty horrible. But underneath all that is still a strong game.
@Kalmaro The upgrades are all gameplay based. The reduction in Pokemon gave us the most consistently well balanced and designed generation in over a decade.
Didn't realize the physical version was out so soon. Went to check it on BestBuy but it's ten bucks more than the PS4 version despite being less than 2GB. Guess I will be waiting for a sale.
@frabbit I think Casey is the most knowledgeable Pokemon player in the games journalism industry. While I think the NUMBER she attached was a little high (maybe an 8.5 would be more appropriate based on what we've seen), the actual text of her review is pretty excellent and I trust it.
It's unfortunate that we didn't get a BoTW style revamp of the series, but SwSh still look like very good classic Pokemon games.
@Ooccoo_Jr Casey is one of the most knowledgeable Pokemon fans out there. While I do acknowledge some of the issues that Sword and Shield has, if she tells me the game is good then I believe it is good.
@sixrings It could be that this scored better than Mario/Sonic because, even with its short length, it is a better game? Also in a dollars per hour equation this is still cheaper than most movie theatre trips.
@RupeeClock While I think GF should have been more upfront, I think it is also absolutely insane that this kind of culling hadn't happened sooner. Thankfully the only competitive moves removed were Hidden Power and Pursuit, and honestly I think HP should have been removed ages ago.
One the plus side, the datamine also showed us an additional 100+ mons more than we thought there would be.
@RupeeClock Do you have a source for this information? I have been all over the Sword and Shield leak Reddit page and have seen nothing about "hundreds," of moves being cut.
@JaxonH I tried messaging on their Facebook post with the announcement a little while ago. Asked why they are going SRG instead of self publishing through their Rising Star label. Hopefully some answers turn up.
@retro_player_22 Oh nice maybe it's been patched then. I remember at launch for both systems there were a ton of complaints about input lag and sound quality.
@retro_player_22 The problem with the Genesis Classic Collection is that the emulation is absolute garbage. I'd rather pay more money and have it work is intended.
@Coochie_Kong He's saying that you are the only person bringing it up. It seems like most other people have let it go so let's just let the matter die.
@heiko Thankfully most of Riot's games are free to play so I won't have to fund any of their sexist workplace practices. (I say this as an ex Platinum ranked League player.)
@SimplyCinnamon53 Apparently the 13GB download is for the base game. The 10 you just did was everything that has been added to the game since launch. Not sure how they goofed that up.
@Moistnado Say what you will about the gameplay, balancing, progression, competitive play, loot boxes, or Blizzard itself, the character design in Overwatch is objectively excellent.
@Mr_Muscle Because what I just said is a bunch of stuff to justify the price? It's a custom built version of the game. It's not just "settings flipped to low." To refer to the game as a "de-master" as you have in other comments is being disingenuous and honestly kinda rude to the people who worked on the game. Big chunks of the game were rebuilt around the system's hardware. We have a very recognizable, if blurry, iteration of one of the best games of the last decade running well on hardware it was never designed for. And I'm going to reiterate the very expensive 32GB card. Those are not cheap by any means.
Witcher 3 Complete is currently 50 bucks on PSN. If you want to wait for it to go on sale again and hit 15 then go right ahead.
@Mr_Muscle Nintendo didn't set the price. And either way, the nice gentlemen at Saber Interactive need to be paid for the year that they spent bringing this game over to the Switch. Even if it is uglier, getting that game to run on a device this size is a ton of work. Also they shelled out a buttload of money for the 32GB cartridges. Those ain't cheap and I would bet my foot that they are a part of the reason the game is a full 60.
@RadioHedgeFund I feel you on the hate train. Some of these commenters really are excessive in their dislike of the game.
I don't think the game is anything special in their consideration of IAPs though. 20 dollar skins/dances/emotes are still there and progress on the Battle Pass is still slow enough that players with less time or skill are forced to pay up to unlock the levels on it for the things they want.
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Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Producer Says It "Might Be Too Heavy" For Switch, But Doesn't Rule It Out
@westman98 But the Switch version won't be anywhere near the size of the Xbox version. Going by the sizes of other current gen Switch games we'd be looking at something in the 40GB range.
Re: Metro Redux Has Just Been Officially Confirmed For Switch
The link to pre-order says that it's available on Amazon but Amazon has got nothing for it yet.
Re: Smash Bros. Ultimate's 5th DLC Character Will Be Revealed On 16th January In Livestream
@WallyWest If you want the King and Queen of action games then you already have it.
Bayonetta vs Bayonetta.
Re: Get Up To 75% Off Top Switch And 3DS Games In Nintendo's New Year Sale (North America)
Worth mentioning that Dead Cells isn't actually showing up on sale.
Re: Level-5 Realises Fans Don't Like Delays, But Does It To Make Its Games Better
I have no problem with them delaying games, but holy crap they need to work on their localization process.
Re: Video: 11 Exciting New Games Coming To Nintendo Switch In January
@JR150 I would punch a baby for Devil Survivor 3.
Re: Guide: Upcoming Nintendo Switch Games And Accessories For January And February 2020
@Stecav67 It just seems like you are babbling.
Re: Guide: Upcoming Nintendo Switch Games And Accessories For January And February 2020
@Stecav67 What are you going on about?
Re: Life Is Strange Dev Would "Love" To See Series On Switch, But It's A Decision For Square Enix To Make
@m8e3point1415 Por que no los do's?
Re: Life Is Strange Dev Would "Love" To See Series On Switch, But It's A Decision For Square Enix To Make
@Majora101 Very very well played. If it comes to Switch we'll see how many people on this forum can pick up on the joke.
Re: Nintendo Forced To Offer eShop Game Refund After Russian Court Filing
@Mijzelffan Sorry, Mystery Dungeon. This was a couple years ago.
Re: Nintendo Forced To Offer eShop Game Refund After Russian Court Filing
This is hardly the first time Nintendo has refunded a digital game. NintendoSwitch subreddit is full of threads of people saying they got a digital game refunded, complete with screenshots.
Heck, my dad got a refund on the 3DS EShop a couple years ago after my younger brother stole his credit card to buy a Pokemon Ranger game.
Re: Two Point Hospital Now Launching In February With Two Expansions Included
@Anti-Matter It's a hospital. People die sometimes.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Says The Touryst Is "A Revelation" On Switch
@YANDMAN Ahh you are correct. I forgot about the OG WiiU release. Good call. As for the ten companies who specialize in limited releases of indie games, none of them have touched Shin'ens other two Switch releases so I'm pretty comfortable in buying the digital and not waiting for a theoretical physical game.
And to throw my hat into the "voxel vs 3d pixel" argument, voxel is literally the term for 3d pixel.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Says The Touryst Is "A Revelation" On Switch
@YANDMAN None of Shin'ens games have released physical versions so I don't expect it to happen here.
Re: Review: Pine - An Ambitious Zelda Pretender That Fails To Find Its Feet On Switch
@LUIGITORNADO Not sure what is pretentious about this review. They've pretty much hit the nail on the head here.
Re: Review: Star Ocean: First Departure R - An RPG Nostalgia Trip That's Showing Its Age
@nimnio Dropping facts. I like it.
Re: Video: Alien Isolation Looks Better On Switch Than PS4, Says Digital Foundry
@CTmatic The game wasn't really hammered back when it first released though. It's sitting at a 79 on PS4 Metacritic which is really a solid score. There were one or two very high profile negative reviews, namely IGNs that is basically considered a meme at this point, but for the most part the game was very well regarded on release.
Re: Pokémon Sword And Shield's Online Features Will Be Down For Maintenance This Week
@VenomousAlbino @graysoncharles @Xaessya Solrock and Karp are fine. Karp especially as he's fairly fast, actually attacks, and has a Focus Sash for not dying. Helping Hand Eevee and Wobuffett can go die in a fire.
Re: Guide: Best Nintendo Switch Black Friday Deals 2019: New Console Bundles, Games, Micro SD Cards And More
To my US based friends, I don't know if it is still applicable, but Target had a pre-order for Indivisible priced at 15 dollars yesterday. The game is supposed to be 40 when it releases. Reviews for other platforms have been really good so if it's still around it might be well worth hopping on to.
Re: Fangamer's New Range Of Banjo-Kazooie Merch Is Tough To Resist
@LetsGoSwitch Alternatively, you can get a sweet looking vinyl set for only the cost of a game.
Re: Nintendo Opens Official Merchandise Store On Amazon And We've Picked Out The Best Stuff
I want to know which dumbdumb put that Zelda shirt up and listed it was Navi. That's clearly Tatl.
Re: Sakurai On Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Becoming Best-Selling Fighting Game of All Time
@Iacobus It sounds like you are bashing a game you know nothing about besides famous people and some product placement.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Delivers Its Verdict On Pokémon Sword And Shield
@Burning_Bacon I was super negative to most everything for a long time. Visuals, Dexit, Drednaw being another Water/Rock type...It wasn't until the datamine that I flipped and started being excited. I still have issues with the visuals and overly samey structure but I am still happy to play it.
I will be ready to lead the riot if Pokemon Spear releases next year as a 60 dollar game though.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Delivers Its Verdict On Pokémon Sword And Shield
@Yorumi VGC rules change on a per tournament basis. The 2019 World Championship allowed anything not Mythical. The only rule pertaining to the Bank was that the Pokemon had to be born or bred in Alola. So while you couldn't use the Tyranitar you've had since gen 2, you could bring it into the game, breed it, and use its son.
@Kalmaro I feel like there was a lot of pre-launch hysteria about how awful the games were going to be. And that included negatives from a gameplay perspective. Much more negativity than one would expect from a lack of effort. You would have thought that GameFreak killed all of our babies by the way some people on this site were reacting. It's weird, I definitely expect more and I also think that 60 bucks is a lot given that the leap was much smaller than it should have been, but I'm also really enjoying it. Darn you Pokemon.
@Snaplocket Definitely strong. This generation is gonna be a good one competitively.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Delivers Its Verdict On Pokémon Sword And Shield
@Kalmaro I'm speaking from a gameplay standpoint. This is my opinion from about ten hours in game, a lot of time on the SWSH Leaks Reddit pre launch, and a bunch of time in the last two days on Serebii. Almost every single new Mom has a viable stat spread/interesting ability/strong movepool. Even the Raticate equivalent has some potential in competitive play. And the designs themselves are some of the best we've ever gotten.
I agree that the game is lacking ambition and technically weak. This could have been so much more than it ended up being. I also agree that GameFreaks PR for this game was pretty horrible. But underneath all that is still a strong game.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Delivers Its Verdict On Pokémon Sword And Shield
@Kalmaro The upgrades are all gameplay based. The reduction in Pokemon gave us the most consistently well balanced and designed generation in over a decade.
Re: Feature: Hopoo Games On Bringing Risk of Rain 2 To The Switch
Didn't realize the physical version was out so soon. Went to check it on BestBuy but it's ten bucks more than the PS4 version despite being less than 2GB. Guess I will be waiting for a sale.
Re: Of Course Pokémon Sword And Shield Is Getting Review-Bombed
@frabbit I think Casey is the most knowledgeable Pokemon player in the games journalism industry. While I think the NUMBER she attached was a little high (maybe an 8.5 would be more appropriate based on what we've seen), the actual text of her review is pretty excellent and I trust it.
It's unfortunate that we didn't get a BoTW style revamp of the series, but SwSh still look like very good classic Pokemon games.
Re: Random: Puma Might Actually Be Releasing Sonic's Movie Shoes
@Jayenkai You don't need that second kidney. Alternatively, you can sell off like 80% of your liver. It'll actually grow back pretty quickly.
Re: Review: Pokémon Sword And Shield - A Solid Start To Gen 8 On Switch, Despite The Hate
@Ooccoo_Jr Casey is one of the most knowledgeable Pokemon fans out there. While I do acknowledge some of the issues that Sword and Shield has, if she tells me the game is good then I believe it is good.
Re: Review: The Stretchers - An Unexpected And Utterly Hilarious eShop Delight
@sixrings If your tickets are 12 bucks then this game still comes out a touch cheaper. And you actually own it.
Re: Review: The Stretchers - An Unexpected And Utterly Hilarious eShop Delight
@sixrings It could be that this scored better than Mario/Sonic because, even with its short length, it is a better game? Also in a dollars per hour equation this is still cheaper than most movie theatre trips.
Re: Two New Pokémon Revealed In Sword And Shield's 'Final' Trailer
@ancientlii Yeahhhh I was looking at it again a couple minutes ago and realized. Still an improvement.
Re: Two New Pokémon Revealed In Sword And Shield's 'Final' Trailer
https://www.reddit.com/r/SwShLeaks/comments/dusw88/below_is_a_post_about_pok%C3%A9mon_dump_this_is_the/
Re: Two New Pokémon Revealed In Sword And Shield's 'Final' Trailer
@RupeeClock While I think GF should have been more upfront, I think it is also absolutely insane that this kind of culling hadn't happened sooner. Thankfully the only competitive moves removed were Hidden Power and Pursuit, and honestly I think HP should have been removed ages ago.
One the plus side, the datamine also showed us an additional 100+ mons more than we thought there would be.
Re: Two New Pokémon Revealed In Sword And Shield's 'Final' Trailer
@RupeeClock Do you have a source for this information? I have been all over the Sword and Shield leak Reddit page and have seen nothing about "hundreds," of moves being cut.
Re: SteamWorld Quest Gets Physical On Switch, Pre-Orders Go Live Next Week
@JaxonH I tried messaging on their Facebook post with the announcement a little while ago. Asked why they are going SRG instead of self publishing through their Rising Star label. Hopefully some answers turn up.
Re: Review: Disney Classic Games: Aladdin And The Lion King - A Fine Package, But The Games Have Aged Badly
@retro_player_22 Oh nice maybe it's been patched then. I remember at launch for both systems there were a ton of complaints about input lag and sound quality.
Re: Review: Disney Classic Games: Aladdin And The Lion King - A Fine Package, But The Games Have Aged Badly
@retro_player_22 The problem with the Genesis Classic Collection is that the emulation is absolute garbage. I'd rather pay more money and have it work is intended.
Re: Review: A Hat In Time - A Fine 3D Platformer That Was Worth The Wait On Switch
@Coochie_Kong He's saying that you are the only person bringing it up. It seems like most other people have let it go so let's just let the matter die.
Re: The First Game To Use Nintendo Switch's Alarm Notifications And LED Light Has Arrived
@xmrmeow That would be a phenomenal use of the phone app.
Re: Review: Little Town Hero - A Quirky, Small-Scale RPG For The Time-Poor Player
@Yorumi "So given at least a point jump from NL this is probably a 6 at best."
The game is averaging a 72 on Opencritic. Seems like NL is right on the money here.
Re: Overwatch Begins Life On The Switch With Its Annual Halloween Event
@heiko Thankfully most of Riot's games are free to play so I won't have to fund any of their sexist workplace practices. (I say this as an ex Platinum ranked League player.)
Re: Overwatch Begins Life On The Switch With Its Annual Halloween Event
@SimplyCinnamon53 Apparently the 13GB download is for the base game. The 10 you just did was everything that has been added to the game since launch. Not sure how they goofed that up.
Re: Overwatch Begins Life On The Switch With Its Annual Halloween Event
@Moistnado Say what you will about the gameplay, balancing, progression, competitive play, loot boxes, or Blizzard itself, the character design in Overwatch is objectively excellent.
Re: Review: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Complete Edition - An Incredible Action-RPG Stands Strong On Switch
@Mr_Muscle Because what I just said is a bunch of stuff to justify the price? It's a custom built version of the game. It's not just "settings flipped to low." To refer to the game as a "de-master" as you have in other comments is being disingenuous and honestly kinda rude to the people who worked on the game. Big chunks of the game were rebuilt around the system's hardware. We have a very recognizable, if blurry, iteration of one of the best games of the last decade running well on hardware it was never designed for. And I'm going to reiterate the very expensive 32GB card. Those are not cheap by any means.
Witcher 3 Complete is currently 50 bucks on PSN. If you want to wait for it to go on sale again and hit 15 then go right ahead.
Re: Review: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Complete Edition - An Incredible Action-RPG Stands Strong On Switch
@sixrings It drops to 22-23 in the same sections of the game that the base PS4 and Xbox do.
Re: Review: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Complete Edition - An Incredible Action-RPG Stands Strong On Switch
@Mr_Muscle Nintendo didn't set the price. And either way, the nice gentlemen at Saber Interactive need to be paid for the year that they spent bringing this game over to the Switch. Even if it is uglier, getting that game to run on a device this size is a ton of work. Also they shelled out a buttload of money for the 32GB cartridges. Those ain't cheap and I would bet my foot that they are a part of the reason the game is a full 60.
Re: And Just Like That, Fortnite Is No More
@RadioHedgeFund I feel you on the hate train. Some of these commenters really are excessive in their dislike of the game.
I don't think the game is anything special in their consideration of IAPs though. 20 dollar skins/dances/emotes are still there and progress on the Battle Pass is still slow enough that players with less time or skill are forced to pay up to unlock the levels on it for the things they want.