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Goldeneye Locked In Legal Limbo

Posted by Damien McFerran

WAAAAY back in the mists of time we reported that Nintendo was looking to bring Rare’s N64 classic Goldeneye to the Virtual Console.

Soon afterwards it became clear that it wasn’t going to happen, and to make matters worse, it looked as if Rare’s new owners might bring the game to their 360 console via the Xbox Live Arcade service, albeit in an enhanced form. That didn’t happen either, although images were leaked of an almost-complete version sporting higher resolution visuals.

Rare has now broken the silence about this rather sorry state of affairs. In an interview with UK site Videogamer.com, senior software engineer Nick Burton attempted to explain the complex legal minefield Goldeneye finds itself in:

To be fair, I kind of wished that the differences got sorted out, but obviously there's the licensing issue for Bond, even if it's something that's already come out.

It's incredibly hard to solve because there's so many licence holders involved. You've got the guys that own the license to the gaming rights now, the guys that have the licence to Bond as an IP, and there are umpteen licensees...but for me I just kind of thought that we'd never manage it, never quite make it. But the feeling's not too bad really. It's what it's like as a games developer. You have to treat something that's not seen the light of day as a prototype. I've had, what, four or five things that never happened. It's funny that we don't even talk about them a lot of the time, because you think, well, we might revisit it.

The ball's not in anybody at Rare's court really. It's squarely in the license holders' courts. It's a shame. It's kind of locked in this no man's land. There's nothing on LIVE Arcade, there's nothing on Wii. It's just what happens legally sometimes. Not necessarily with games, but you see it with music and films. Things get locked in this legal limbo. Even most of the parties involved, probably all the parties involved want to solve it. It's such a complex issue

It's probably going to go down in the annals of gaming history as one of the big mysteries.

You can say that again! This is an international mystery that even Bond himself would struggle to get to the bottom of.

Source: Videogamer.com

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CorbsAdmin

#1

Corbs said:

It's a shame, but video gaming is still a business, despite how much enjoyment we get out of it. Goldeneye would have made a nice addition to one of the download services, but at least Banjo Kazooie is supposed to make it to Xbox Live Arcade finally. I guess we should be thankful for what we can get :)

Rorge

#3

Rorge said:

I have an idea - they could give it away for free! Surely all this licencing rubbish is all about making money rather than protecting the name and IP of the franchise...

Lets everyone kiss and make up so we can get back to the important things - playing Goldeneye deathmatch as Baron Samedi with DK heads and explosive weapons on. Mint.

Terra

#4

Terra said:

I have the N64 cartridge, so i don't mind about it not coming to either. Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie on the XBLA are fine for me. I'm just surprised they haven't had similar controversy.

Virus

#5

Virus said:

It's all Daniel Craig's fault...there's no way else to explain this evil...

slangman

#7

slangman said:

Shame the companies involved can't just come to an agreement and let Goldeneye come to BOTH XBLA and the VC. That way both Nintendo and Microsoft benefit by getting tons of profits. Good job i already played the N64 cartridge to death.

Wesbert

#9

Wesbert said:

It seems like the Bond license is the main problem here (otherwise Microsoft would merely have to release a remake that differs enough from the original, like Conker's Bad Fur Day, or Banjo Kazooie).

slangman

#10

slangman said:

@ hansolo350 How could I forget, though like i said there is still the issue of MS and Nintendo agreeing to put the game up.

Chunky_Droid

#11

Chunky_Droid said:

So is it a straight port of Banjo Kazooie to XBLA? I don't pay much attention to M$. Last I remember Rare said Banjo Kazooie on VC was in Nintendo's court, but this sounds like Nintendo sold the rights to the N64 games to Microsoft in the Rare aquisition.

Orgone

#12

Orgone said:

just remake it without any Bond stuff (replace with mario for all i care) for WiiWare and then we can play online

BB_Sting

#14

BB_Sting said:

I think it's time that archive laws are created in the U.S./world.The world is just totally different than it used to be. Countless movies, games, etc will be lost to future generations because of all the legal hoopla that it takes to preserve them. We need laws that recognise that just because a particular license has expired doesn't mean that art should be lost forever.

Kawaiipikachu

#15

Kawaiipikachu said:

While it is unfortunat but maybe we get to see it spiritual susser Perfect Dark to help make up for some of this.

While many of us that might have the Game Paks themselfs (like me) but for mthose that unable to get them they might never able top play them .

Objection

#16

Objection said:

@Kawaii
Even less of a chance of that, I think sadly. Perfect Dark is another RARE game that had a exclusive 360 sequel, so the series is practically MS 2nd party material. Either way, its as likely or less so then Goldeneye. But if either came out on VC, I would download them in an instant (My real-life N64 collection is woefully lacking.)

MaxPlastic

#17

MaxPlastic said:

Hmm, I thought for sure that to get the most bang for their buck, the developers/companies/licensees'd just release the original version for Wii, the enhanced remake for XBLA and everyone would get a slice. Ah well, a disappointment for sure, but I don't think there were many people who were still holding their breath fro this one. At least anyone who understands business. Besides, we still got bigger VC fish to fry

Andrew

#18

Andrew said:

Despite how fantastic it is, I gave up hope for a Goldeneye VC release long ago. It's a shame, really.

Bahamut_ZERO

#19

Bahamut_ZERO said:

I got it for the N64 and didn't see the big deal. Maybe it's becauseI hate FPS.

But it's a classic and a shame for it to not be on the VC.

Rapadash6

#21

Rapadash6 said:

This just goes to show you that the video game industry is more about the bottom line than about making people happy. If Nintendo could only let go of thier foolish pride, both Wii and 360 fans could be enjoying this game right now. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Edit: Actually I retract my statement as I've come to the conclusion that Nintendo couldn't possibly be the sticky wicket due to Banjo-Kazooie being announced for the XBLA. Why would Nintendo allow one game to be rereleased on the 360 and not the other? Also, I'd think if Nintendo wanted to prevent any Rare N64 games from being released on competing consoles, I would've pegged Banjo above anything else as the series is deeply associated with the company.

MaxPlastic

#22

MaxPlastic said:

@ Rapadash6
There goes another "fan" blaming things on Nintendo, where blame isn't due. It's all up to the license holders

Andrew

#23

Andrew said:

I still have my Goldeneye cart, but it's hard to play it because both the control sticks on both my controllers are worn out.

That_Guy_from_Faxana

#24

That_Guy_from_Faxana said:

I don´t care too much for Goldeneye anyway. Perfect Dark is the game to play if you want deathmatch on N64. Going back to Goldeneye feels kind of empty without the lovely bots from Perfect Dark. Thinking of it... we don´t have and will never have perfect Dark on VC. That´s a shame, get a N64 console instead :)

Mr_M

#25

Mr_M said:

I supose that, if all the developers and licence holders get paid royalties, Goldeneye for he Wii would cost more that 1000 Wii points. But if it ever comes to the Wii Shop Channel (even with a bigger price tag than the other N64 games), don't let the big price tag bother you.

RurouniTeeter

#26

RurouniTeeter said:

I still have my N64 copy. :D
So its not a huge loss for me really... Sure its a great game and it would be great to be on VC... But I've played it way, way, way too much...
I miss Rare being with Nintendo though.

ttplayer92

#27

ttplayer92 said:

Oh well, the game might not even still hold up well today. Atleast I know I can experience other rare classic eventually for the 360.:)

Storm101

#28

Storm101 said:

So if they knew that was such a legal mess over it why did they bother working on it?

MorriganIsHot

#29

MorriganIsHot said:

Nintendo was dumb enough to sold RARE to M$ so now no one would be able to play this game. stupid move Nintendo , good job e_e

Ricardo91

#32

Ricardo91 said:

I don't care either way, really, since I plan on getting a 360 for my birthday, which is 2 months awaaaaay! :(

Objection

#33

Objection said:

@MaxPlastic
Actually, he has a point. They were preparing to have it on XBLA and VC, but Nintendo din't want it on XBLA, so neither gets it. So the license problem is the least of anyone's worries. If they can get over the hurdle I mentioned then it is a possiblity and THEN the license becomes the problem.

CanisWolfred

#34

CanisWolfred said:

Well, there's still hope for Turok and Perfect Dark, so I won't lose sleep over it. I wasn't too enthralled with Goldeneye anyways.

As for Rare itself, I think there's one game that actually looks interesting and wasn't slammed by reviewers, and Nuts 'n' Bolts seems like a pretty cool concept, so I wouldn't say they've bottomed out just yet.

@That Guy from Faxanadu

I got the console, now all I need is the cart, unless they remake it for the 360, though if they do that, then chances are the price of the carts will go down :D

Mike1

#35

Mike1 said:

Why do people say it's such a good thing that the 360 is getting the Banjo games. That means it won't be on the VC, so all Nintendo fans are out of luck. Unless your Richie Rich and own several systems, all Nintendo fans are left out in the cold. May I add that vc-reviews is a Nintendo site not a 360 site, so you guys should not post how happy you are that the 360 is getting them on a Nintendo site. It's basically a slap in the face to all of us Nintendo fans.

CanisWolfred

#36

CanisWolfred said:

@Mike

I'm a Nintendo fan, but I still plan on getting a 360. When I had a Gamecube, I also had a PS2; when I had a N64, I also had a Playstation and a Genesis. Just because you're a fan of Nintendo doesn't necessarily mean it's the only thing you get.

dr_mario

#37

dr_mario said:

I wish they could come to an agreement where it comes out on both systems. I have a 360 as well as a wii but with this being a n64 games I would rather keep it with my other nintendo games on the wii but on live arcade, it will be improved, possibly with online play and since purchases are stored to your live account (i think) as opposed to the system like the wii, you won't loose your purchases if you have to format your system or replace it. So having for live arcade might be better, i hate how if something goes wrong with my wii and I don't get it fixed through Nintendo I loose all my purchases and when the next gen consoles come out, M$ will probably let you transfer all your purchases to the new console as well as your live account like they did before as opposed to nintendo where they will probably make you re-buy all those old games again.

CanisWolfred

#38

CanisWolfred said:

@dr.mario

As cool as that sounds, it's not coming out on Live either, and it's not Nintendo's fault, it's the people who make the Bond movies and merchandise that's the problem. At this rate, the only way to play it would be on an actual N64 cartridge.

Fierce_Deity

#39

Fierce_Deity said:

I dont know why you all care about this game so much, sure it was a great game in its time but it has aged, Its time to move on, There is many new shooters out there now like gears of war, halo, call of duty, stop living in the past and move on :)

WolfLink22

#40

WolfLink22 said:

The Bond Games are not owned by Rare anymore so maybe the people behind the problem of Goldeneye think that since the newer Bond games are made by someone else now think that the GoldenEye games should be released only when the new owner of the Bond Games says they are ready to allow it.

That's my guess about it.

CanisWolfred

#41

CanisWolfred said:

@Fierce Deity

That's a very good point, but there's something about old school deathmatches that you just can't get with those new-fangled shooters. Personally, I think there were better N64 shooters, like Perfect Dark, Turok, and heck, even the Multiplayer in DK64 was pretty good, if you like your shooters wacky(I do)!

Too bad I'll never get to relive that experience, since over the years, my brother has narrowed down his interests, and most of the time we never manage to agree on on which game to play, even when it comes to shooters: He prefers 3rd-person, I prefer 1st, there's not much difference between the two, but still, since most of the shooters we have are portable, it generally means we never get a chance to play together. Not only that, but he doesn't even like a good old-fashion deathmatch anymore! If only my friends could come over, they're all shooter fanatics, they'd appreciate a deathmatch. I guess I need some new friends, you know, who live in the same town.

DarkLloyd

#42

DarkLloyd said:

im just gonna say damn it now it looks like i have a new real reason to get 360 but will wait till they release 360 with motherboards in them that i heard suppose to prevent RROD thats kinda what keeping me from getting a 360. my new reason and almost tempted to get a 360 now is the james bond game. my old reason was for oblivion and Resident evil 5 knowing now its out for ps3 oblivion and re 5 coming soon i decided to get a ps3 cuz of final fantasy games and i miss out on the ps2 days so yeah i got the ps3 after the wii of course. and now i got great games for both systems and many new ones to look forward to and i got a red god of war psp for final fantasy 7 crisis core reason and will be getting other great games for it. so i own a ds, wii, Ps3, psp. i aint gonna wrry about old systems i have right now. i have to say nintendo was sure an idiot kicking rare in the nuts before the gamecube days and basically rare is what made nintendo awsome but since then i can see why the donkey games now sucks big time.

DarkLloyd

#43

DarkLloyd said:

but can we get over the other rare games and focus on donkey 64 we know is possible to bring since we got 1 to 3 for the snes. and does anyone remember the mini arcade game with mario in it. thats how we know it should be no problems for nintendo to get that on vc and it can,t be brought to xbox live or else microsoft are liable to be sued by nintendo.

CanisWolfred

#44

CanisWolfred said:

@BlackFira

I'm waiting for that one too, except, I can't find the article that mentioned that. I also heard it has 60 gigs, which is good, since I would've used up 20 gigs in less than a week( Xbox Originals, XBLA, Movies @_@). Mostly though, it only costs, $350, if memory serves me right.

And yes, me and my brother used to play that minigame in DK64 a lot. If I still had my original cart, I wouldn't have had to waste 5 bucks on the VC version.

By the way paragraphs, you just hit enter when you're moving on to a new topic.

Oh, and the Donkey Kong games are still pretty good. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat was a ton of fun, and very original. King of Swing was also great, and I haven't gotten Jungle Climber, but I've heard nothing but good things about it. The only others are Donkey Konga( which is a good music game, especially when used at parties) and Barrel Blast(which wasn't all that great) but those were spin-offs anyway.

By the way, which PS3 SKU did you get, because I'd like to recommend the Ratchet & Clank series, but the Jak engine doesn't work well with the software emulator.

I'd like to get back on topic, but I wasn't all that fond of Goldeneye back then, and I don't think it has aged well over the years, especially in terms of controls, what with Halo revolutionizing console shooters and whatnot.

Edit: Now that I read that, it sounds like an Ad. I guess this is what Mike was talking about :P.

Danieru_Lynx

#45

Danieru_Lynx said:

I still have my N64 and copy of Goldeneye, so I'm not really all that arsed. Besides, Perfect Dark airstrikes it, =P

(It's just a shame that future James Bond games were alright (I rather enjoyed Agent Under Fire and Nightfire), whereas I've heard that Perfect Dark Zero is terrible (I haven't seen it played personally though).)

CanisWolfred

#46

CanisWolfred said:

@Danieru Lynx

Perfect Dark Zero wasn't terrible, it was just painfully average. The weapons were cool, and the controls were fine, but the AI was terrible. The only thing it had that separated it from other games at the time of release was the cover system, and Gears of War and R6: Vegas quickly outclassed it in those respects. It didn't meet the expectations of the fans, and it didn't stand out to enough to attract newcomers either. Nothing's broken, other than the AI, and it'll entertain for a little while, but there certainly isn't anything amazing about it.

Mr_M

#47

Mr_M said:

I suppose that the reason Nintendo doesn't want Goldeneye on XBLA is because it originated on the Nintendo 64. I think that everybody (the developers, and the rights holders, and Nintendo) should cooperate with each other and release it on both the Wii Shop Channel and XBLA.

CanisWolfred

#49

CanisWolfred said:

@Mike

Obviously.

The funny thing is, everybody keeps saying that it's Nintendo's fault, when they did really don't have anything to do with this, or at least they aren't directly involved. It's the License holders that are the main problem here, and I don't see any evidence of Nintendo having any hand in this situation.

Stuffgamer1

#50

Stuffgamer1 said:

@Terranigma (and generally everybody who thinks the current problem is Nintendo's fault): The controversy isn't being caused be Nintendo. The upcoming Banjo XBLA releases (complete with Nintendo references) prove that inarugably. But there's still Bond series licence owners and Activision for games specifically that don't want to play nice. That's why this game on VC or XBLA will (probably) never happen.

And I agree with some other posters who ask why you even want Goldeneye on VC? FPS's age really badly, especially ones originally designed for a one-analog-stick controller. I can't STAND trying to play Perfect Dark on N64 now because of the awful controls, and I can't see as Goldeneye would be any better.

Also, @Mike: I'm kind of insulted to be called a "Richie Rich" just because I have a 360, Wii, PS3, DS, and PSP. I just want the best of gaming, that's all! The only advantage I have over some of you is a decent-paying (with good discounts!) job at Gamestop and low financial responsibility.

Danieru_Lynx

#51

Danieru_Lynx said:

@ Stuffgamer1: Thank God your reasoning for not liking the N64 FPSs has nothing to do with the graphics. I hate people who question my love for Final Fantasy VI just because it's 2D, yet they fap on a near-constant basis over Final Fantasy VII which is blockety-blocksville with added blocks.

This has probably been said here a million times already, but this isn't Nintendo's fault. They're the guys who would love to release this game for the Virtual Console, but it's a case of 'we would if we could but we can't'. Basically just put up or shut up.

Stuffgamer1

#52

Stuffgamer1 said:

I fully agree with you, #51. SNES 2D > PS1 3D.

I understand that not everyone has my good circumstances for getting multiple systems, but you shouldn't complain to us for having them. I do think people should be a little more sensitive to the needs of others, though, instead of being like "I'm okay because I have a 360 and I don't care that you're screwed!"

If anyone's interested, I personally believe that Banjo is probably also coming to VC soon (the only reason Nintendo would let Microsoft have it complete with Nintendo references), and Nintendo just doesn't want to tell us because they're jerks with VC news. It would make sense, right?

On a semi-related note, I'm on some of Nintendo's e-mailing lists, and I just got the first Wii download newsletter (or something like that). All it seems to do is tell you what the new releases of the week were, but it's kind of interesting that they're even doing that much. The only weird thing is that it came on Friday. For Monday's release. Hope they get faster.

DarkLloyd

#53

DarkLloyd said:

@mickeymac i have gotten all of the rachet and clank series from first one to rachet deadlock all at once for ps2 on my ps3 except for the games that came as ports i will probably get the psp versions. though im stuck in going commando as the part where i stick the thing in a slot to fix it i see the yellows and not moving been like that even when i reset it billions time. i just figured its the software since its 80 % out of 100 that some ps2 games may not work when i get a job soon i may buy the ps2 to determine if the problem is the same but other then that all of my ps2 games work okay.

damn i shouldnt have sold my n64 games and the console but hey who to blame me i was young and did not have the sense of value and so forth. can,t remember but it was some time after i got the gamecube for christmas but i forgot the year the cube came out lol my cousin came up with that but i never thought the system was bad but some might say i may be abit young to understand.

anyways to be on topic though the games of bond on gamecube were cool but for some resonance i still personal golden eye as my favourite for some reason i remember i use to play it a billions time with my stepcousins and my mom ex boyfriend and againtst other adults too who i seem to kick againts maybe that is why.
oh i just remember that was my first n64 game donkey 64 was my second

CanisWolfred

#54

CanisWolfred said:

@BlackFira

First off, how's the disk? If there aren't any significant scratches, then I think it's your Box. Trust me, I beat Going Commando 4 times, I haven't run into that specific problem. I did, however, run into a cutscene where you would hear the words, but nothing moved on the screen, then the whole thing would play over again, only the cutscene would go normally, but that was at a different spot.

DarkLloyd

#56

DarkLloyd said:

@mickeymac yeah the cutscenes in the first one is where the voices ussually go ahead acting like for example you get off the ship and land on the ground you hear all of that before they even landed on the ground. and when i move its like it is in slow motions but in a certain area its normal speed by it self in going commando it wasnt like that at all but it happens few times so i gave up trying cuz that particularl spot where i need to fix the slot where i appear after the arena battles cuz everytime im inside i try pressing buttons to see if does anything but it doesnt so i move on to up your aresenal and no problems so far. havent tried deadlocked. and i dont think it is the ps3 fault because after all it does say 80 % of ps2 games will work because final fantasy 12 works fine and resident evil outbreak too i think it is either the particular rachet games it self butnot blaming the company made it or anything like that. and or it could be software compatibility with certain games

CanisWolfred

#57

CanisWolfred said:

@BlackFira

All you have to do is go to the support section in playstation.com, and you can figure out which games don't work right. It's 70% compatibility, by the way, and all the Ratchet & Clank games have serious issues on the PS3. I was under the impression that they didn't work at all! I'm glad you got some enjoyment, at least. R&C is one of my favorite video game series of all time, Going Commando being my favorites. The lack of quality emulation was part of why I didn't get a PS3( also cost, until I found out how much the collective cost for a 360 was). Oh well, the problems lessen as you get further into the series, and Deadlocked should play just fine, until you play online, that is, which I don't recommend anyways, it took me an hour to finally play a game last time I tried, thanks to those stupid lobbies, and I got my arse wooped in the worst ways imaginable.

WoRMaSTeR

#58

WoRMaSTeR said:

@ 39. Fierce Deity: Why we would want it despite new shooters? I want to be Bond - that's why, and this is the finest Bond game ever made. I haven't played Goldeneye in a long time, but it was the poo back in the day, there is a reason this game makes every top 100 games ever made list.

I think it will be higher in top 100 lists five years from now than any of the games you mentioned. And please people Perfect Dark is nowhere near as good.

Terra

#60

Terra said:

@N64 Gamer
Perfect Dark, as it was an original IP will probably be fine. However, as it had a 360 exclusive prequel, it probably will end up on XBLA

@alxtlvra
Rare are said to be working on a secret project, which half of Rare's staff are working on, so you never know.

Also, at Leipzig, Rare's Community manager has said that, when Nuts and Bolts is shown at Leipzig, it will include something "extra specially fresh"

Bensei

#61

Bensei said:

Sry if it was already asked, but was their some kind of an exchange with Nintendo so that VC will get the Original BK and XBLA this updated version? Or did Microsoft slip through a legal hole and was allowed to release it without having ANY debts to Nintendo?

Kelvin

#62

Kelvin said:

Just buy the GC version of one of the Timesplitters games? They play almost identically to Goldeneye anyway.

CanisWolfred

#63

CanisWolfred said:

@Kelvin

You know, thats a very good point. Which one you recommend, 2 or Future Perfect?

I think if you want Bond, why not go with the other Bond games? Asie from Rogue Agent, I heard that most of the Bond games were pretty good.

@Bensei

We're not certain, but I'd imagine something got worked out.

JRAPOCALYPSE

#64

JRAPOCALYPSE said:

Bond should shoot gay ass banjo kazooie,but no matter i have my n64 hooked up as we speak with goldeneye in it!! if they can get through this legal battlefield then i say try and release the game for all 3 of the consoles dl services so everyone can enjoy.

DarkLloyd

#65

DarkLloyd said:

@mickeymac well you sure got that right maybe i should get size matter for ps2 instead of psp and still if it works or give off the same slow to medium motion and voices in cutscenes going ahead of the action before they bassically move.

the more i keep hearing about licensing it looks like they all dont want to make money or they are just greedy little A$$ lol no offense

Tabbyluigi

#66

Tabbyluigi said:

This game would sell greatly if it ever comes out, on anything. Nintendo was terribly dumb with rare, if they hadn't sold it, we would see games like well this Goldeneye 007, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, and we would see great titles coming out at the right times. Bad Nintendo, Bad Nintendo.

CanisWolfred

#67

CanisWolfred said:

@BlackFira

No, the PS2 version is much worse than the PSP version. I don't understand how that could've been possible, but seriously, even on a PS2, it's terribly glichy, and they screwed up the multiplayer. Since you already have the PSP, just go with that version. Though, if you do like R&C, and you want something that will work, Jak 3 has no major problems, and it is really good, with diverse missions and great platforming segments and weapons( not up to the calibre of R&C though). The only thing is, it's pretty hard, but rarely to the point of being unfair Plus, the auto aiming doesn't decern between friend and foe, and if you shoot friend, he shoots back, and if you continue to fight back, pretty soon everbody's out to get you( that only happened to me twice though).

Personally, I think I'd like the weapons in Perfect Dark more than Goldeneye. Goldeneye's weapons came off as a bit boring, and chances are that the alien weapons would be a lot cooler. That was certainly something to like in Turok.

DarkLloyd

#68

DarkLloyd said:

well i cant wait to play the new james bond game and see the new movie which comes out same month november game in stores and movie in theatres of course and the golden eye james bond will always be my favorite bond unless something spectacular happens to change. it reminds me did anyone ever beat the last level chasing 006 because it was damn too hard i always die no matter the difficulty and somehow fail to kill him before the helicopter lol wow im suprize i remember that from like 6 or 7 years ago well thanks to my hearing loss my visual memory and other senses are heighten i was born that way anyways but i got implant so my hearing is back up to full level only its digital sound and the best part is my hearing will never go down so listening to music a billion times and my hearing wont drop since it bypasses dead hair cells

Stratos

#69

Stratos said:

On the licensing issue consider this: not only do you have to deal with the Bond license holder and game license holders (both current bond and goldeneye ones), but there is also the issue of having Pierce Brosnan's likeness also with Sean Connery and others likenesses in the multiplayer. they may have to be dealing with lawyers for a host of actors who appear in the game. That would make a true legal mess. There are probably so many big name birds pecking at the crumbs of a paltry download-able game with a maximum price point of what, $15? Unless Rare gets really crafty with the removal of faces or someone caves in on the movie side of things (since all of the game companies appear to be united in getting it out in any form) we can kiss this classic treasure good-bye.

Even if it got okayed to be on both VC and XBLA you do realize that the game would not be a fixed up one on the VC right? Firstly Wii doesn't do HD and also the online multiplayer would be severely limited or removed entirely. Remember it is nintendo. If it is just a plain port then just hunt down the original game.

CanisWolfred

#70

CanisWolfred said:

@Stratos

That's easier said than done my friend. Goldeneye is a classic, and people don't give up classics very easily. I checked Amazon, and they got nothing. Ebay has quite a few though, and mostly for cheap. Guess you could try there.

Dokenzz

#71

Dokenzz said:

Meh, I've already got this on N64, it would've been nice on Wii but I'm good playing it with the awkward controller of the N64

Alpo

#72

Alpo said:

Nintendo needs to release Turok 2 and Star Wars: Shadows of the Empirer to the VC. Golden Eye was great, but I think these games would make up for it if we don't get Golden Eye.

Question: What year did Golden Eye come out?

Stratos

#74

Stratos said:

Really? Nothing on amazon? I assumed that since the game sold crazy that it would be pretty easy to find and cheap.
Better sellers are easier finds as a rule of thumb because you have more copied floating around at a given time even a decade or more after release.

CanisWolfred

#75

CanisWolfred said:

@Stratos

Zilch, everybody's selling it on Ebay or Gamestop, or who knows what. All I know is, I typed in Goldeneye, and didn't get anything Video game-related.

Pj1

#76

Pj1 said:

Maybe the biggest problem is pricing, New owners of Rare Im assuming is Microsoft and the new current tenders of the games license is causing problems, maybe all three could reach a suitable agreement and all three make some money from the release of it. I see it as if all 3 can make easy money from offering it for the VC it's better all around for them than make no money and argue over the rights of the game, , it would be good if it was free then the rights issue doesn't matter but then the current tender of the license get upset and that's when it becomes tricky. I have never played Golden Eye but if it did appear on VC I would down load it!!!!!!

LordJamak

#77

LordJamak said:

Alas, this was one of the things I was looking forward to when I got a Wii last year, but I forgot about the fact that it was a Rare game to start and other companies have licensing rights to Bond, etc. I have both a Wii and a 360 so make no mistake about it, I will get it for either. Or find a used N64 and track down the cartridge again... Oh and one more thing: What does this mean for other Rare properties like Killer Instinct or even (laughing in my head) Battletoads?

CanisWolfred

#78

CanisWolfred said:

@LordJamak

Nothing, I think. It'll come out on VC if Rare wants it there, or it'll be stuck on XBLA. Goldeneye is pretty much the only one with a problem here.

Mixer152

#79

Mixer152 said:

It really is a shame, this was one of my favourite N64 games.
And the N64 selections right about now is quite poor, whats taking them so long, where's my Mario Golf lol

Terra

#80

Terra said:

@Mixer152
The selection isn't poor for N64 games, It's just a little thin. Still, at least they're generally excellent or quite good and when i say generally, i'm not including Cruis'n USA.

Back to the subject of Rare games, i imagine that there earlier titles on the NES and SNES are more likely to appear on the VC instead of XBLA than the N64 Games.

Kultist

#81

Kultist said:

If Rare was to release earlier games, I'd wish for Battletoads, the Wizard and Warriors series and Killer Instinct (both), so I can get back to growing blisters on my thumbs :P
Oh and while looking for Rare's games, I realized Rock N' Roll Racing was done by Blizzard (under another name) and not by Rare like I mentioned a while back on a racing Top10 list. So there's hope for RRR! :D

D00M

#83

D00M said:

@BlackFira, There was a cheat on that last level so you could grenade 006 through a shed, Worked on all difficulty levels too, so opening up those sweet bonus levels were a breeze:)

David77

#84

David77 said:

I'm confident we're going to see Goldeneye on one or another download service in the futur. It's all about money. I'm not a big fan of goldeneye, but wait and see.

Will

#85

Will said:

I think a lot of people are going to be shocked at goldeneyes graphics when they go to revisit. Its aged pretty bad! Still plays great mind.

MjN

#87

MjN said:

No no no, all you guys got it wrong.
The main issue in this problem is that Izabella Scorupco is
too sexy to be shown on a VC-game.

But goldeneye me wants to teh VC!

Kelvin

#88

Kelvin said:

@Mickeymac, I adore Timesplitters 2, and it definitely captures the Goldeneye feel, but Future Perfect is probably a bit better.

CanisWolfred

#89

CanisWolfred said:

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback

For the Gamecube, I think I'll go with 2, and when I get an Xbox I'll get Future Perfect so I can take advantage of the online modes.

Cally

#90

Cally said:

I'd rather this came out for XBLA just because of the controller. I can't really imagine playing this game with any of the Wii controller options, and it would sure be nice to finally take it online.

I wouldn't look forward to having to unlock all of those cheats again, tho.

GigaGaia

#92

GigaGaia said:

Donkey Kong 64 would come on VC without any hassle since Microsoft might own Rare, but Donkey Kong is a nintendo character, so Nintendo is the one to decide whatever they want it on VC or not.

Mixer152

#93

Mixer152 said:

Yeah Terranigma your right, thats what I meant to say. I just didnt word it too well lol

Rawk_Hawk

#94

Rawk_Hawk said:

Guess you can put this game to rest. Oh well maybe Nintendo can strike a deal with Rare to get some other title out. I would not mind Diddy K. Racing, Salalom, Cobra Triangle, and RC pro-am

mcc1333

#95

mcc1333 said:

I cant get worked up over games like this "not coming out" on VC. You can freely obtained an N64 plus game on ebay for not much more money than the price a couple of VC games. This obsession of having this that and the other all on wii is ridiculous. Whats wrong with having loads of different consoles under your telly - i have 5! You can even get an emu for your pc that.....ah well nuff said!

owen1

#96

owen1 said:

just go and get Timesplitters. its about time we let goldeneye die

Wiireview123

#97

Wiireview123 said:

well there's no hope for godleneye but i think there's some hope for perfect dark. want to know why, because of the motion sensor bombs. there in perfect dark for the n64 and they've been in all of the smash bros. games. and in the credits for SSBM, somewhere near the end of the credits, it says something about copyright for perfect dark. so...............think about that.

Beau_Skunk

#99

Beau_Skunk said:

Bummer about Goldeneye, but I would love it if they brought other great Rareware titles to VC. I'd even love to see Blast Corps. (Wich was a good underated game.)

But hearing about Banjo Kazooie (originally an N64 exclusive game) coming to X-Box Live Arcade makes me doubt a Virtual Console release of the N64 Rare games. (Exept for DK64, considering the DKC trilogy is on VC.)

andy836

#100

andy836 said:

yes lol again
mmmmm didnt i post about this news lol ooo well kinda sad but i still have the game on my 64 so it doesnt really bug me.

chiefeagle02

#101

chiefeagle02 said:

What a shame... :( I would buy this in two heartbeats if it came out (first one used to clear space on the Wii's memory).

DarkLloyd

#103

DarkLloyd said:

i just saw on tv the movie is going to be showing on amc august 17. i wonder if the other james bond game on n64 was made by rare

StarDust4Ever

#104

StarDust4Ever said:

I visited my local Game-X-Change on Sunday. N64 Goldeneye - $6.95 (US dollars). Not a bad deal, in my opinion. Actually cheaper than VC prices, and better than what you'd fetch at E-bay or Amazon.

I'll leave it for some lucky soul to find, as FPS games are not really my forte. Just a word, if you've got an N64 game system, to go check out your local used game retailers; I'm sure it will pop up again...

CanisWolfred

#105

CanisWolfred said:

@StarDust

Nobody carries N64 games anymore, they won't even let you turn them in. I don't know where you went, but in my town, the only places that accept use games are Gamestop and FYE, neither of which have carried an N64 game in years. They're actually pretty cheap on Ebay, so I don't see why people can't use that.

Personally, I'm not interested in it enough to go running around looking for it, but I'm sure there would be othere's that would like it.

To rephrase your advice, if you know a place that carries N64 games, then look there. Since Game-X-Change isn't a huge franchise like Gamestop, finding one may be harder than it sounds.

CanisWolfred

#106

CanisWolfred said:

Well, I tried this on a Rom, and the controls definitely haven't aged well: they're too jittery, you turn too slow, and you can't aim and run at the same time. I like the missions though, and the level design, while uninspiring nowadays, wasn't all that bad. I'd still rather play a more modern game, and people who didn't play shooters back then will find it just plain annoying, but it certainly isn't terrible. To put it another way, if you hated the aiming in Red Steel, then you're definitely going to hate this.

CanisWolfred

#108

CanisWolfred said:

That's pretty much what it looks like. Actually, nobody's getting it, for that matter. It would be too expensive( along with a ton of other problems) for them to obtain the right to release it at the XBLA/VC price, so it's not being released at all.

Viper1

#109

Viper1 said:

@106: I definitely agree about the controls. I guess they would have been tolerable back then but now they're just too unusable for me at least. The multiplayer is still pretty fun though.

anime_guy

#112

anime_guy said:

It's a good thing i saved my n64 just in case something like this happened. Still I think both nintendo and microsoft should have all of rareware games

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