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Satoru Iwata: 'We Have Not Changed Our Strategy'

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Return to profitability not far away

With Wii U getting closer, and various opinions swirling around about the system's capabilities and even Nintendo's long term future in the industry, Satoru Iwata has spoken to Gamasutra to once again outline Nintendo's philosophy and plans.

On the subject of profitability, Iwata has reiterated that the company expects last year's losses to be a one-off, further stating that the 3DS hardware will make a profit on each unit in the near future. He also made clear that Wii U pricing would be set with the current market in mind, acknowledging the level of competition that it faces.

Our intention is to return to profitability after just one year of losing money. I just cannot say that it's a good thing for Nintendo at all to record an annual loss for two or more years in a row. … The [loss of the] past year is due to the 3DS hardware sales. We were selling hardware below the cost, so this year we are already recovering and improving the profitability of the 3DS.

The pricing of Wii U is going to be one of the most important elements when it is going to be launched. The environment is different. Wii U is going to be launching in a different environment than when the Wii was launched. Also, the involvement surrounding [mobile and social] businesses is different than several years ago.

On the touchy issue of Wii U's processing power, which has been the subject of many contradictory comments from developers and analysts, Iwata maintained that it's a device with sufficient power to provide the experiences that the company aims to deliver. He also makes the point that doom has been predicted for the company before, with Wii in particular defying the odds.

Even when we were going to launch the Wii system, there were a lot of voice[s] saying 'Nintendo should stop making hardware'. The reasoning behind that was Nintendo would not have any chance against Microsoft and Sony. The fact of the matter was: I did not think Nintendo should compete against these companies with the same message and same entertainment options for people.

We have not changed our strategy. In other words, we just do not care what kind of 'more beef' console Microsoft and Sony might produce in 2013. Our focus is on how we can make our new console different than [others].

Not caring about the 'beef' of rival's next-gen systems will delight some and worry others, depending on whether they agree with Nintendo's current philosophy. Where do you stand? Do you feel reassured whenever Iwata and colleagues repeat these messages, or does it concern you?

[via gamasutra.com]

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User Comments (58)

ajcismo

#2

ajcismo said:

Here in America, the 10-25 year olds only care about how much juice is under the hood. And they want it instantly, and they want it now.

ThomasBW84Admin

#3

ThomasBW84 said:

@ajcismo I think it's much the same here in the UK, and that's obviously a big market where Nintendo isn't necessarily going to dominate. On the flip-side, that's also the demographic that, potentially, has the least money to spend. Nintendo's audience may continue to evolve towards families and adults who grew up with its older systems, in which case we're probably talking late 20s and beyond.

Araknie

#4

Araknie said:

Nintendo always had this philosophy: "When you buy a Nintendo console you buy gaming platform."

If this isn't enough for you go to Sony and Microsoft, for me it's the only thing.
With a gaming platform i will do anything more than play games.

All this non-sense about how much POWER has the console and such, it's only because we are in the second world war of bit's. Let's see at the games when they announce a real line-up list and the price.

chiptoon

#6

chiptoon said:

I really like Iwata. His thinking is clear, his attitude is positive.

I also think he's absolutely right

Samholy

#7

Samholy said:

nice philosophy. but i like meat too.
The WiiU looks quite good. i skipped the wii due the the lack of power and odd motion controls that i didnt really enjoyed. Things seem diffrent now, and that gamepad/tablet looks quite fun and im sure that it will kick butts in a few years to the point where sony and microsoft will want a tablet gamepad too.

so...im seriously thinking to get a WiiU and wait a couple of years before getting a remodel of the ps4, at a lower price than its launch and with a great games library that will come cheaper or have a used market going on.
Just like i did with the ps3. i bought it 4 years after its launch ! sony and microsoft have a great reputation of getting crappy first gen machines and remodeling them a couple of time. ps1 had a lot of problems and i had to buy 3 generations before it was fine. The ps2 , same deal. The big first model had a lot of versions with all their share of bugs until i got a slim one without giving me failures. microsoft xbox 360 tend to burn all the time, even with the latest models. red ring of death happens to EVERY 360 owners.
curiously, it never happened with my nintendo consoles. the remodels they give are simply big improvements and not a remodel due to bugs and hardware issues. Getting at WiiU at launch seems like a reasonable choice and your console will probably last all your life.

Kage_88

#8

Kage_88 said:

"We have not changed our strategy. In other words, we just do not care what kind of 'more beef' console Microsoft and Sony might produce in 2013. Our focus is on how we can make our new console different than [others]."

Good on ya, Iwata!

darkgamer001

#9

darkgamer001 said:

Why not get a PC gaming rig if you're only interested in power? (Not saying all PC games are all power, no innovation of course, don't get me wrong) Nintendo is different in that it strives to be unique with plenty of innovative features.

hydeks

#10

hydeks said:

it's good of them to think outside the box, but basicly no-one else does so really, will Wii U sell well at launch? I don't think so, especially since alot of there third party game are already on on other consoles. I hate to admit it, but Pachter in some ways is right about nintendo :( I think the system will actually get great sales when Wii Fit U comes out, and gets the non-gamers in...but it's a hard argument at this point to leave xbox 360 and ps3 in favour of a wii u at this point.

shingi_70

#11

shingi_70 said:

I'd disagree. I'm 20 and I wa t the Wii U to have more power. Knowing that the streaming to the gamepad uses a lot of the system.s power and using two gamepads casues a loss of framerate then I would want more power.

Not only that but it seems nintendo fans only look at is a case for better graohics and not things such as using more complex engines (unreal 4), having bigger worlds to explorer, better effects,etc. And having a powerful system. Is about future proofing your console to get support over a larger peroxide of time. Why do you think the Wii had major droughts in its game collection compared to the 360/ PS3. And the wii is all but dead while the HD twins look to still have a good amount of support next year as well. '

But nope onky te. Years only want power and not anyone who is interested in development or wants a console to have a decent lifespan.

erv

#12

erv said:

When the console is three years old, a new zelda secures all sales. Tada.

In other news, I LOVE this approach from Nintendo. In my opinion this is the right one, and to be honest, it got me the greatest games of this generation - so why doubt it won't work going forward?

Fix online real good and you've got a beast of a console.

WaLzgiStaff

#13

WaLzgi said:

@Sony_70 Is that why companies like Epic games praised the Wii U? cough :P

@erv: Actually, Zelda does not secure sales as much as you think. Mario on the other hand...that's the system seller!!!

BenAV

#14

BenAV said:

We're getting Pikmin 3, so that's enough to make me happy.
We're also getting a Mario game at launch, and that should be enough to sell a whole lot of systems.

shingi_70

#15

shingi_70 said:

@LztheBlehBird

How so. Buy putting their wii U on develomemt on an engine that will be on the way out soon. And saying that Unreal 4 is scalable enough to run on a wii U even though they wont port the tine to it and are still trying to get Sony and Microsoft to beef up the specs for there next gen tl run ot well.

And I was surprised at how poorly skyward sword did out the tat compared to twilight princess. Was it lack of hyper or because twilight princess was ara system launch.

Mk_II

#16

Mk_II said:

"Knowing that the streaming to the gamepad uses a lot of the system.s power"
How many games will support multiple pads you think? Im willing to bet that the number will be very close to zero.

zeldazero

#17

zeldazero said:

I am a firm believer that the whole graphics scene is getting to a point where it can't get much better. Yes, I know the numbers can get better but the actual noticable difference is next to non-existent. It is time they starting worrying more about making games that are great. I hate to say it but we all know that games like CoD sell millions but the sad truth is angry birds sold more and it had nothing to do with graphics or processing power, it was just fun. Also I would think game developers suffer from constantly having to change developement strategies because of the constantly changing hardware specs obviously costing more money. In the end stick to worrying about making good games, not the same one over and over with different backdrops, CoD...Halo...I do believe that nintendos new touch screen is going to bring some amazing concepts that are going to blow us away. As with the Wii, the biggest failure was forcing motion controls. Just give gamers the option to use multiple control methods and everyone will be happy. Iwill be pre-purchasing a Wii U as soon as possible and I have already pre-purchased some games :)

EvansLegends

#18

EvansLegends said:

I'm glad Nintendo has no intention of becoming this horsepower juggernaut. It'd be extremely out of character of them to spend a whole bunch of money to make a powerhouse console, when they can use their creative minds to innovate. Nintendo's greatness comes from their inventiveness, not their budget.

Drewroxsox

#19

Drewroxsox said:

I'm still undecided on getting the WiiU at this point, because I don't know how much it will cost. Nintendo has given this console a bad name (though that will not affect my decision) which sucks, because when I mention the console to friends, it is already dismissed as another Wii. The main reason why I am still undecided on the WiiU is because e3 didn't get me excited. It was BORING, is the nicest way to describe it. Maybe my expectations were too high, I don't know, but there were only 4 games that I remember. I don't really like pikmin, and I was not convinced to buy 3, Mario is Mario, so I'm kind of excited about that, nintendoland seems to be an okay game, and batman armored edition is the same game, with a few new tricks. Last years e3 got me excited, and it made me want to buy a 3ds because of the cool screen effects. The WiiU was not showcased well if you ask me.

shingi_70

#20

shingi_70 said:

@zeldazero

You do realize that Call of duty doesn't push graphics right and has been working on the same graphics engine since 4 right and has minimal graohics compared to to its rivials in favor of 60 Fps.

And saying all halo games are the same are saying like all Mario games are the same man.

And if you think we hit the graphical peak you should go watch a pixar movie and then look at current games.

Alienfish

#21

Alienfish said:

This is the story: WiiU has a mean processor and an HD and 3D capable GPU of which developers have only said good things. Iwata's previous statement that the difference will be less noticeable this time around was enough for me.

Emaan

#22

Emaan said:

I love when Iwata brushes off Sony and Microsoft. You tell them! I'm glad he doesn't care about the fact that their competition might have more power in their systems, its not what's important. I respect Nintendo for this.

Onett

#23

Onett said:

@Sony_70

"Not only that but it seems nintendo fans only look at is a case for better graohics and not things such as using more complex engines (unreal 4), having bigger worlds to explorer, better effects,etc. And having a powerful system. Is about future proofing your console to get support over a larger peroxide of time."

What?

I've got the same feeling of uncertainty as I did with the Wii in 2006 prior to its launch. However, I'm still going to pre-order the Wii U the same way and enjoy every moment of camping outside my local mall. Sharing that moment with other fans and making videos of the unboxing and review of the console/controllers functions is just too much to miss out on. Fact is, the Wii turned out to be a huge success with lots of unforgettable gaming experiences and I know the Wii U will do the same.

I guarantee you that Sony and Microsoft will blatantly rip off some of the Wii U's features and functions. Whether it be the Miiverse or tablet controller, I guarantee you it will happen. :)

Kage_88

#24

Kage_88 said:

Power is important, definitely. I love gorgeous visuals, clever AI, huge worlds, and interactive playing-fields as much as the next guy.

But, Nintendo (and myself) believes that games can be so much more than clutching a joypad and staring at a 50 inch LED all day (or mindlessly clicking a mouse *cough*Diablo III*cough).

'Disruption' - that's the key word that Iwata and co. have been espousing. Even if it pisses so many 'hardcore' gamers off, Nintendo will not stop experimenting with new ways of delivering the videogame experience. The traditional experience is stagnating - basically unchanged for 30 years - and Nintendo realises this (ironic, considering they were the ones who established the 'joypad' system of today's games). Sony and Microsoft are following Nintendo's footsteps (what else is new...) with their own 'disruptions' such as PS Mobile/PS Move and SmartGlass/Kinect (which are, I maintain, reactions to the Wii U/Wii).

The industry needs change. The sooner the unbearable 'real gamers' understand this, the better.

HaNks

#25

HaNks said:

nintendo have been the top dog in terms of profits and user base expansion, so to change their strategy would make little sense. things are getting a little tough in the marketplace, but they have no reason to be sweating it. i can see more people going for wii-u (for nintendo exclusives) and a high powered PC for the next 'generation' of gaming.

MS and Sony will probably put out hugely expensive boxes that are trying to be PCs, prone to failure and put even more effort into pushing non-gaming content. such is the lack of vision, gameplay innovating features will continue to be ripped off from nintendo. i know i will never buy a MS console again and while the PS3 has some really nice stuff, I've had more than enough to keep me occupied between the wii and steam.

Xiao_Pai

#27

Xiao_Pai said:

Games...the games do it for me...I mean, I obviously want the U to be more powerful than the Wii, but other than that. Don't care, I care more about the games. I wanna see Mario with PS3-like visuals now though. xD

NintyMan

#28

NintyMan said:

Their strategy has been discussed before, and it's still true. I would much rather Nintendo try to stay different than try to conform to the other guys. Games should be based on how fun they are, not how pretty they look. Sure, graphics and power are nice, but they're not everything.

It seems like the Wii U will be meaty enough. Maybe not as meaty as future, competitive consoles, but meaty enough over the Wii. It has HD, 1080p, and the power to make it an improvement over older Nintendo tech, so Nintendo shouldn't be caught up in the craze of getting the most powerful thing in the market. A reason why they aren't getting caught up now is because having the most powerful thing in the market means having the most expensive thing in the market. Nintendo can't afford to have another system with a high price. Look at the 3DS when it was first released, and you'll see that average buyers shy away from systems that get too high. Nintendo should make the Wii U as affordable as they can.

WaLzgiStaff

#29

WaLzgi said:

@sony_70: And you realize that the most powerful each generation was never the best-selling one. Power alone does not make a game good. Wii has had its fair share of great games that were supported by a lot of people who supported more powerful games.

MeloMan

#30

MeloMan said:

I'm glad Nintendo isn't trying to be rank and file. Where in the past it didn't work out so well, since the Wii, they've found the formula for giving that Nintendo experience while moving gaming in a new direction. It doesn't automatically translate to the Wii U doing the same, but all Nintendo has to do is be themselves and trust me, they will continue to make hardware in this industry.

aaronsullivan

#31

aaronsullivan said:

I was hoping we'd get a bit more beef, frankly, but I'm okay with it. The dream of Nintendo getting all the cross platform games AND the Nintendo exclusives is probably never going to happen and unless something surprising happens is certainly not going to happen this next "round".

Doesn't change the encouraging fact that we'll be getting the great Nintendo franchises looking better than ever, a new angle on gaming with the Wii Gamepad plus asynchronous play and a more dedicated approach to connectivity. Nintendo has done a great job with, yes, "wow"ing me with their graphics on the Wii despite the lack of HD which does, admittedly hurt, so I'm very much looking forward to some incredible visuals and environments to get lost in.

I'm finding the gap in visuals to be just as strong between games on a single console as it is between consoles. There are greater problems at play than hardware specs such as time, cost, marketing, sustainability of franchises, escalating expectations.

One brings up a Pixar movie, but those cost 5-10 times more money to make with a larger team and usually four years. Gamers don't seem to reward that type of dedication from developers and few can remain in business after a commitment like that.

Koos

#32

Koos said:

Yeah the attitude of Iwata and also Reggie and others is a major factor that keeps my confidence in the company. This is solid management and I'm talking also from the investment angle.

kallumsmarties

#33

kallumsmarties said:

TO be honest. Wii still sold millions more so.... Nintendo are still doing something good and to sold over 150 DS's too!

Lalivero

#34

Lalivero said:

It's always nice to have more juice under the hood, which they are doing with the WiiU, to try to be appealing to both casual and more hardcore gamers. Good to know that they will always be on the lookout for new ways to enjoy gaming.

Shpongled_Mario

#35

Shpongled_Mario said:

I don't mind beef so much as long as its at least a little above PS3, the main thing stopping me from getting a Wii U at launch is the fact that they said the black won't be available, which is a huge mistake on their part. People already know its coming so they will hold off, nobody is gonna buy a white one, then return it for a black one, (most people at least), so they will wait like I am. Honestly I think it would be even better if they had a bunch of colors like the N64 and GameCube, I would love a see through orange Wii U or something similar colored. You never go wrong with options, and shiny colors attracts many eyes. Shiny shiny!

aaronsullivan

#36

aaronsullivan said:

About the color: Offering more colors means more risk of unsold product at launch (one color sells way more and the other sits on shelves collecting dust). Very few people care enough about the color enough to wait. In order to offset the cost of non-selling hardware pick one:
Charge more for each Wii U
Reduce the specs of the device
Remove something from the box (how about the AC adapter?)

TimboBaggins

#37

TimboBaggins said:

Good games are more important than hardware. That has been proven time and time again. If hardware made a system, the Atari Jaguar would have been a success. The PS3 became successful, but only after 5 years. There is still not one single game that is good enough for me to justify buying a Vita. Games win.

UnseatingKDawg

#38

UnseatingKDawg said:

I say this is a good philosophy. No need to cave to critics when you aren't aiming to compete. In fact, there's no need for Nintendo to compete; I'm sure the Wii U will do fine, and Microsoft will be in second place, like this generation. Knowing Sony, they'll come out with a powerful console at an absurd price with games that don't entertain, and they'll hit the bottom of the pole once again.

shingi_70

#39

shingi_70 said:

@LztheBlehBird

I never said the most powerful console was the or Dod the best. I was talking from a pure standpoint of what better tech allows you to do. Seeing as big of a success the Wii was in hingsight Nintendo could have easily went with the same power as the 360/PS3 and clean house.

Anywho going into next gen I'm going with

Microsoft>Nintendo>Sony

lanabanana

#40

lanabanana said:

This is why i like Nintendo. They don't care about competition , they just wanna make great games :D

Moshugan

#41

Moshugan said:

When Nintendo licenses Euclideon's ground breaking engine, this whole power debate will be obsolete. Haw haw, not that I actually believe in their claims, but t'would be cool.

SyFyTy

#42

SyFyTy said:

Nintendo will NEVER have more power than 360 or PSX for this reason, the only people who need/care about more power are those doing MORE fo what they are already doing (graphics junkies take heed). Nintendo is not interested in doing more of the same (CoD, etc...) they are looking at doing DIfferent, which does NOT require more processing power. Therefor N does NOT need more power. Get over this speed/power addiction people or go back to your tired ol 360 & PSx. Its been said by industry leaders that both of 'them' have already overstayed thier welcome (this gen) with thier tired old power housescasing problems for developers by doing so.

Rekiotsu

#43

Rekiotsu said:

I agree with Iwata, it doesn't matter even if Sony and Microsoft would release 1000 times more powerfull console, Nintendo is still the best in their own different way.

C7_

#44

C7_ said:

Iwata knows where it's at. In fact, I highly doubt the power of the next home console (which wont happen for at least another 2 years because Sony + Microsoft are trying to milk the casual market) will even be a threat to Nintendo. Why? Nintendo creates a unique product that Microsoft and Sony can pretend to emulate all they please, Nintendo's being doing it since it's start and knows how to do it best. The best selling Motion Games are NOT on Kinect or Move, they're on Wii because Nintendo is a household name associated solely with game consoles.
Still would like to know what the price is though, we're getting pretty close...

AcesHigh

#45

AcesHigh said:

Well, we've all seen what kind of "beef" they're using for the WiiU in the videos and screens for games like ZombiU, Rayman Legends, Batman, Pikmin 3 and even Mario U. And those are all at 720p only. That kind of beef, if put in a Nintendo bun, is more than good enough for me. I'm confident!

millarrp

#46

millarrp said:

I'm glad NIntendo is taking this strategy, "more beef" doesn't always mean "more fun". Although a small part of me misses the "Now you're playing with power..." slogan lol

Wanderhope

#47

Wanderhope said:

These comments from Iwata are reassuring. Their simple philosophy and focus on the games is the reason they are one of my favorite companies (along with Apple).

Horsepower and resolution is only one part of producing great graphics. Some of the most visually impressive graphics of the current gen came on the Wii (Donkey Kong Country Returns, Kirby's Epic Yarn). And some of the most drab graphics come on PS3/Xbox 360. And it has more to do with the competence of the developer than horsepower. Horsepower is just icing on the cake.

dimi

#48

dimi said:

Gamecube was as powerful as PS2 (maybe more, maybe less). Mario and Zelda and Smash Bros (and even RE4 and Pokemon) and was a complete failure. PS2 had better games. It sold 150 million and Gamecube only 22 even less than Xbox. Wii had the motion controls and the cheapest price in the market. Wii U only got the gamepad. Its not enough if ur older than 15. It needs hardcore 3d party support. Not only new...Rayman.

AcesHigh

#49

AcesHigh said:

The more I see of the WiiU, the more I see this console being a must-have this holiday season and the less I can understand nay-sayers and industry analysits negative inclinings towards the unit:
1. This is the "next Wii". More homes have Wiis than anything else. People (parents) trust the Wii brand name. Let's not forget that the hardcore gamers DO NOT make up the majority of the gaming market space
2. Every kid who has a buddy with a Wii U will take one look at their buddy's new console that now look as good if not better than x360/PS3 (and magnitudes better than their aging Wii) and the new addition of the touchscreen controller and they will be sold. Won't matter that it doesn't improve graphics 10x over current gen. The touchpad controller WILL sell this unit based on its utility, flash and freshness!
3. The kids beg for one for Xmas
4. Parents are comfortable with the brand and, naturally, as most parents do - they MUST get their kid what they want for Xmas (I'm one of those!)
5. We're all lining up waiting for the next shipments each week in November and December

I've noticed a trend over the last 15 years or so in the media and the industry where new consoles are not met with the enthusiasm they used to when the industry was younger. And I honestly think its because of old salty-dogs and industry burn-outs over analyzing things just to sound like they know more than they actually do. Let's face it, if these people in the media actually KNEW how to analyze markets and provide strategic direction in the development and delivery of gaming IP to the public, they'd be DOING it and not writing about it or providing senseless analytical guidance.

Plain and simple, Nintendo has an installed userbase and an opportunity for a much needed upgrade in the homes of thier consumers who are mostly happy with their Wiis but want higher fidelity and the "next big thing" to buy this holiday season. Add on the flashy touchscreen controller the WiiU will be a must have for all but the most jaded gamers, journalists and analysts and we have a shortage this holiday season friends. Good news and bad news. LOL! Let's all hope Santa will pull through for us this year!

Blue-Thunder

#50

Blue-Thunder said:

I wish Nintendo would change there strategy back to the way they used to be, when they made good games for the hardcore gamer. Its nothing to do with beef just games. The games Nintendo make these days aren't a patch on the games they made in the SNES and N64 era.

GotWii

#51

GotWii said:

I think Nintendo has a big challenge ahead of them.
The Wii sold to a giant number of homes this would be a good thing. Except that most homes got board with the unit in less than a year and then it sat collecting dust as they instead played games on there IPAD. The Wii had some great games but lets face it it had a lot more pure crap games (Nintendo let any junk game sell on the Wii this hurt the impression of the Wii). The majority of the homes that have Wii's will not be very eager to buy another one to collect dust.
Our house plays the Wii everyday but that is an exception to the majority of Wii owners out their. I think the great sales of the Wii will be the down fall of the Wii-U.
And its great to have the philosophy to make great games but you also need the hardware that can grow with your ideas and not restrict you. Remember the Wii only having the 512k of memory, this has been an obstacle for the system its entire life, the memory and the lack of HD dug the grave for the Wii during its middle age. Early on we saw 3rd party support drop off because the system could not support the new version of the games. Its fine to focus on making games but you can not do that if your hardware limits your creativity. I think Nintendo is in for a bad roll-out of the Wii-U just as with the 3DS. Which we just bought our first 3DS and while it has some neat features it has not WOW'ed us over the DSi I really hope the Wii-U does well but I just do not see it. Those that are banking on the success of the Wii sales better look an see how satisfied were all those millions of soft-gamers that bought Wii's and how eager do you think they are at going out and buy another system (to collect dust)?

KromCompany

#52

KromCompany said:

Im 15 and Nintendo is the best on the market, with such positive people and ideas. Nintendo does have hardcore games. F Zero GX anyone? Nintendo needs to get smart and release a new one, toned down a little bit though.

Korbin64

#53

Korbin64 said:

I'm 16 and I refuse to get any system that isn't Nintendo; and I never leave home without my 3DS. Nintendo is a high-quality brand with fun at the helm; other companies just want to have the best graphics card.
Nintendo will always be the one with the innovations and other companies will just steal their ideas by changing it ever so slightly (using your portable device as another controller).

KiroX777

#54

KiroX777 said:

@EveryoneWhoThinksThisNewsIsAwesomeAndGetsThemHype
honestly, i find it really naive of most of you nintendo fans to get hype off of this almost sony/microsoft trash talk. it seems nintendo's basic strategy is basically saying 'we dont need to improve power because our fans will buy what ever we put out.' i didnt expect almost the whole comments to support less power... like wtf?? how can you really fall for that BS??

How do you not find it concerning that nintendo spends most of its money into something like the controller that likely wont even be THEE next greatest thing to happen to gaming like nintendo hopes for, over something as needed as power to smoothly process any amount of epicness! i just dont get it.

When the wii was coming out we all had such high hopes for the console, like nintendo is making a huge comeback!... but no, nintendo's choice to be strictly nintendo has hurt its consoles way more than helping it. no HighDef, no hard-drive, lack of basic features, lack of online features. Its almost like their ego (and of course money-greed) is in the way of making truly great consoles for its original fans. (and i say original becuase the new ones seem to be naive little kids who just want their parents to buy them the new system to play mario) a lot of the original fans turned to 360 or ps3 as the main console, and maybe own a wii for a couple exclusives. but for good reason! 360 and ps3 are where you spend most of your time, vs a lame wii. you dont hear people say "COME SEE ME IN C.O.D BLACK OPS... FOR WII!" or "NBA 2K12 for wii." thats because nintendo wants to be nintendo and limit its consoles power. so many fun games fighting games the wii missed out on this gen like uMvC3, ssf4, KoF, MK9, ect. The wii is a cheap little gen6 system in a gen7 race. it can sell all it wants it will never compete with its HD competition. Its only now WiiU will catch up on most of the HD games it missed out on. But its these fans that are so overwhelming its actually causing the systems to be so crappy! like its 40% nintendo's fault and 60% the naive fans. i would admit i was apart of that 60% but im older and more mature now. I just want 1 gen8 console to spend my earned money on, i would love it to be wiiu but seems like it may be gen7 all over again, an xbox 720 or ps4 to spend most of your gaming time and WiiU just for smash bros. smh waist of damn money.
Nintendo is a true street hustler i swear -___-

Hokori

#55

Hokori said:

@KiroX777 Ummm no. Just no. :| Nintendos 3rd party support my be bad, but it's 1st parties are where the real games are at, as for COD I find that to be wayyyy too casual for my taste and if I want a real game I go for Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Pokemon, Kirby, SSB, FF, DQ, MGS, RE, KH, or DKC, I agree other systems have more then just a casual COD game, but I don't find any other system worth it until it comes out with more then just one exclusive form each of the said 3rd parties I mentioned

KiroX777

#56

KiroX777 said:

exactly thats why i say nintendo is a street hustler, creating a cheap 150$ console with pretty much nothing in it and getting people to buy it for 250. the 3ds was worse $100 console selling at $250 (which i bought like an idiot. but w/e got burned by nintendo yet again) and we buy it because its coming with nintendo games?

and like some1 said b4, if only nintendo was cranking out the golden 1st party titles that made up for the lack of power. but we only had like 1 to 3(at most) amazing games per year when it came to wii. super mario galaxy, smash bros, twilight princess, xenoblade(which was a hassle just to get with nintendo's stupid region locking nonsense(hacking ftw?))... i cant think of others atm. but other than that your wii was just collecting dust.

but 360 and ps3 are still filled with way more top quality games to come out round the clock becuase they have the raw power to handle what ever developers want to throw at it. and wii gets the watered down port... even if a game was missing something or wasnt complete they have updates to fix or add to their games.

simply put, power only adds to the possibilities or great games, not just limits them to being shiny looking shovleware. If nintendo says they dont care about their rival's 'beef' that should be concerning because the last thing nintendo needs is to repeat what it did to be so called #1 like the wii turned out to be.

sales doesnt equal best similar to how on youtube most views dont equal best video.
i think of wii as one giant rickroll video we all got tricked into watching LMAO xD

Hokori

#57

Hokori said:

@KiroX777 What???? 2010 was absolutely fantastic with wii games. Started with Tatsunoko Vs Capcom and NMH2 in January and had a bunch of stead games throughout until it ended with DKCR in Dec.
The months of Feb through Nov had: SMG2, Metroid, Golden eye, epic Mickey, Mario 25th, Epic Yarn. Back when 2010 started I was worried SMG 2 was going to be the last game for 2010 but then E3 surprised me with not only wii games but a ton of great games for 3DS from KIU to KH, and we have yet to see luigis mansion, NSMB2 and many many MANY more

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