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@The_Nintendo_Pedant we found the complainer

Should have had a category

Are you a complainer on the site?

Or

Are you a complainer of complainers on the site?

This is important data

@OpheliaDynamight I also would be happy if Nintendo made some smaller games. How about you remake excitebike or ice climbers. Make it affordable. Charge 20 and I’ll buy it and celebrate helping the worthy charity of Nintendo.

@Oldstalk there’s always a price to time ratio even if you think it’s art. I mean Nintendo didn’t package Kirby dlc as a new Kirby. According to some fans they should because if it’s 2-3 hours but $80 sure why the heck not. I mean that’s a pretty luxurious way of thinking. But that’s how much a sporting event is and the same length. Nintendo games for now on they should be 2-3 hours and $80 each. Winning strategy.

@OpheliaDynamight did Nintendo send you a list of all the employees that made the dlc. For all I know it’s ten people. But I didn’t buy it because I’m price conscious so didn’t see the credits. Surely you spent your hard earned money to support them in this worthy endeavour so surely you spent the two hours to get to the credits. How many people exactly?

@electrolite77 I love the level headedness of some people. But the poll speaks for itself. You can dismiss it all you want but the poll isn’t lying to you. This isn’t a great launch to the general public.

@Ade117 whose claiming 3ds had a good launch. It was over priced and the games weren’t great and it needed a heavy discount to make up for it.

Actually that kinda sounds like…

@electrolite77 the games are like 8 hours long.... there's plenty of time to moan and groan after paying $80 for them.

@AppleBlade one of the two N64 games was the most influential 3d game of all time... It is not at all like either of the two games the switch 2 launched with (MKW & DK) which will be forgotten in 6 months yet alone 20 years.

the 64 could have simply launched with Mario 64 and that still would blow away the entire switch 2 line up until Christmas. Mario 64 was easily the most impactful new 3d game at the time.... compare that to Mario kart world where people are actively loading up 8 or dk where people are complaining odyssey was better. That is a huge difference.

Super Nintendo had Super Mario world, Pilot Wings and F zero. I can't express how badly I wanted to play those games that I actively looked for a Japanese import store which was not easy to find in the 90s with no internet.

Gamecube and Wii U launch were both pretty bad....

Switch one launch I am going to argue was still better because BOTW was and is considered one of the best games ever made. Again MKW forgettable. After DK "when's the next Mario?" It isn't comparable. Yes BOTW was on Wii u as well but that was a painful death and we were all ready to move on.

So I have Super Nintendo as the best Nintendo launch. 64 as the second best and Dreamcast as THE BEST LAUNCH EVER. I remember good launches... this isn't it.

MKW and DK. Everything else is found elsewhere. Epic.

Btw MKW is trashhhhhh

Remember when everyone was telling themselves this was the greatest launch in history. Yikers that didn’t age well unless you wanted o play switch one games on a new system.

Just to be clear. This is a game that costs the same as the Kirby DLC. My lizard brain still can’t understand that Kirby price.

@electrolite77 this is beyond debatable. I didn’t just make up these things in my head. But ok. We can agree to disagree.

@electrolite77 if you keep defending Nintendo with it’s a “you problem” then you’re tone deaf. People had expectations based on what Nintendo promised them and aren’t happy. Read the room It’s simply not just me.

@electrolite77 if 4k or 60fps was miracles they shouldn’t have used that in their marketing. My goodness 120fps is a pipe dream on this console. Yet that was on full display in their marketing.

@electrolite77 great point. But I swear my Xbox one X does 4k better than my switch 2. Perhaps this system should have been able to do the previous generations pro consoles performance.

@electrolite77 the series S sold itself on being a 1440p output resolution machine…. Nintendo did its utmost to say 4k over and over meanwhile even the majority of switch one games with upgrades aren’t actually 4k. Unless the marketing department thought we would be excited to play NSMBUD in 4k. While the second Nintendo published switch game (DK) is 1080p. That’s a far stretch from 4k. I don’t know why it’s the consumers fault if the manufacturer over promises.

@electrolite77 in the Nintendo switch 2 overview trailer they talk about a 4k dock for compatible games. If the least demanding games aren’t compatible I don’t know what to tell you. Then they shouldn’t have highlighted the 4k the same way PlayStation shouldn’t have said they could do 8k for compatible games. The hdr on the system is a mess and what was the fuss about 120fps screen if we can’t even get games at 60fps. So clubhouse games or something at that level can run better. But wait they advertised the 120 fps with Mario showing how smooth it would be. Are there any Mario games at 120fps? Well I guess we know why digital foundry never got to see the system before launch. Maybe just maybe they are actually neutral and were the honest of everyone in their expectations.

@electrolite77 fallen short of a hybrid console powerful enough to run 3rd party games decently. Again I was talking about ea sports games and fighting games. Two forms of games which are generally less taxing then say an open world game like gta. A fighting game is essentially one angle and so is fifa or nhl. Car racing games are known to be easy for systems to do which is why I have some hope for f1 despite the lack of analogue triggers on the switch. Another mistake. I’ve said on these threads for years just give me 1080p 60fps and my tv will do the upscaling. So this is not exactly a huge ask. Yet here we are acting like it is one while at the same time praising games like street fighter, and cyberpunk.

@BaldB3lper78 the legacy games ran at 60fps.

@michellelynn0976 I thought the way the steam deck worked was similar to Xbox play anywhere. You buy it for your series S. Great. You buy a second Xbox for your house and guess what it can be played there. You take the laptop on vacation. And WOWWIE it plays in three separate places for the same price. Maybe I’m wrong.

@michellelynn0976 i would take lower performance on one device if I could play somewhere better for free. Instead you’re asking me to pay for the middle and then if I want better pay again. We could debate who’s moving a goal post but the one constant is that Nintendo likes us double dipping into our wallets. As a consumer I would guess that would bother you.

@michellelynn0976 correct me if I am wrong but if you have the deck you have the option to take the same games and play them on the pc for the same price????

with the switch I am being asked to buy an inferior version and then to go buy a ps5 version or xbox version to play them the way they were meant to be played on a tv.

@electrolite77 At the same time I did not expect a series s level performance. Yet again people on here were talking about DLSS like it was a miracle worker and xbox series s beater. Now we live in reality where this system once again has fallen short. I am not sure why you expect people to be OK with that, especially the primarily docked players.

@Flashlink99 Im not sure why Nintendo would release something that wasn't on par with something that came out 5 years ago knowing that both XBOX and PS will be releasing new consoles in short order putting the Switch 2 further behind.

positive article for the negative Nellys who are claiming this site has become Debbie downers.

BTW the video shows this in 4k 60FPS... that's what I am talking about....

@Flashlink99 I expect series s performance through DLSS just like street fighter. why is the goal post moving? they are not giving Nintendo fans a discount for buying a game with half the frame rates. In the 3ds and game boy eras portable games got a discount. OK that's a fair trade. Here I am expected to pay the same price for something lesser. Again I am looking for series S levels of performance.

my problem is that when this thing was launching everyone on here was telling me this was actually on par if not better than a serious s... this site crucified digital foundry for saying it was closer to a ps4 based off of cyberpunk. Now game after game underwhelms and we are I guess supposed to call every developer not Nintendo lazy for not utilizing the hardware. Well the hardware has limits. Which is why even switch 1 games are running mostly at 1440p vs 4k. It is a problem this soon in the life but I guess I am a troll for pointing out the obvious.

All I would like to do is be able to sell off my xbox and get out of that ecosystem and play EA Sports games as well as fighting games on my switch. That shouldn't be a huge ask.

Once again I have owned every Nintendo ever available minus the virtual boy but I made up for it by owning a DK arcade cabinet. I am a fan but there sure is a line between love and hate.

@electrolite77 The PS5 digital is cheaper where I live and the PS% with a disc drive is $20 more. I question the value of the cartridge slot if we are getting game key cards. And I did not ask or force them to make a portable. My switch 2 went straight from the box to the dock and it will be there until the switch 3 comes out where again I will be asked to pay for upgrades that the other systems have.

@Matt_Barber but that’s not even true. ITs completely subjective to what Nintendo thinks they can get away with. For instance Zelda breath and tears had paid performance patches. You’re going to have to be extra creative to explain that as anything other than Nintendo thinking they simply can get away with it.

@Rijzebrew my six year old beat Mario wonder so I’m skeptical Kirby is going to hold him over for very long.

Rayman legends was the best 2d platformer on Nintendo switch.

@Matt_Barber great but why do some switch 1 games get performance upgrades for free while this is locked behind dlc? Other than crappy business practice for the nintendo fan.

@Airsqueeble that was a different world where cartridges actually cost money vs something were digitally being loaned. It was also a different world because each of us had a blockbuster down the street so we rented more games than we owned. It was also a different world because there was less gamers to sell the actual games to. But yes. It’s exactly the same. Let’s pay $114.99 (CAD) for a game and be ecstatic.

@Kingy when switch 3 comes around Nintendo will upscale all their games to actual 4k 120fps add one level each and slap $30 because of inflation on it and people here will 8/10 for a new experience and quality gaming in a time when people are too busy for actual sizeable dlc.

@Rijzebrew as someone with two kids I’m not buying this game for myself. I’m buying it for my kids. And that’s simply too much money for too few hours until they are asking for something else.

@Kingy at the end of the day if you want this dlc and didn’t have the original game the two combined costs more than donkey kong. There’s no way to explain that away. But sure. 8/10 because money suddenly doesn’t mean anything.

@Rijzebrew I’m sure Nintendo is really hurting and without this price everyone would be fired. It doesn’t even make sense. How can dlc cost 33% of the original game price without making insane profit margins.

@Cakefish better resolution yet not 4k. Very few switch one games got true 4k patches which isn’t encouraging for the longevity of this system.

@Cheez the first reasonable comment. If you don’t own the main game already then this game costs more than donkey kong bananza. What a steal? As in Nintendo is stealing.

Everyone understands that Xbox simply does backward compatibility and upgrades for free?

If Sony and Nintendo are hybrid only Xbox has a real opportunity by releasing as powerful a system spec wise but tv only which will cost significantly less.

@NintendoWife at some point if Nintendo realest their consoles in between Xbox and ps5 and their shipping dates change there is a world where Nintendo releases their system right beside ps5 and Xbox. Expect being one generation behind it will be two generations behind. That will open a whole new world of ancient ports.

@NintendoWife if you release a console two years out of the next consoles being launched and yet behind the current console you will inevitably be getting ports from the previous generation. There is no escaping that.

@Dee123 once the system, which allegedly has been produced for over a year in order to have enough supplies, the dev kits should have been released to every developer that requested. The exact same day. There’s nothing to hide anymore. Unless Nintendo doesn’t want any actual third party competition to their own software.