Both are great games! The added features to TotK makes BotW unplayable. Arrows are almost meaningless in BotW compared to TotK and that alone makes it unplayable. Transportation is awful compared to TotK.
Votes for BotW are solely out of nostalgia, at least, that is what everyone is saying in the comments.
Switch the order of release of the games and BotW would be a MASSIVE disappointment.
@Ryu_Niiyama reading your comment made me feel old haha. The benefit for people like us is that we were lucky enough to grow up with it and those games were considered the best at their time and there was nothing to compare it too. It would most likely be too difficult nowadays for young people to go and try great games like TMNT Manhattan Project, or even the SNES Mario Kart, which is still my fav for many reasons outside of nostalgia.
@MannequinRaces This might be a bit off topic but Nintendo giving $10 to the top 310 players reminds me of the smash melee scene. Smashers hoped that official licensed Nintendo tournaments would bring in the big bucks to the top players and Dr. Alan claimed they give next to nothing. This Mk8D tourny proves his point.
@HeadPirate While what you say has truth, it can also be taken into extremes. VZ, FLIC, XRX and many others have all tanked since COVID. I have yet to see lawsuits from investors. Disney is the perfect example and, as of now, I do not see any lawsuits from investors. The only one I see is lying about their streaming losses. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I doubt it happens as much as claimed. If the burden of proof didn't always matter then there would be lawsuits every year with every company.
Assumptions are being made about the layoffs at EA. Maybe they abandoned some projects? Maybe they want to go in a different direction? Maybe they are overstaffed? Maybe EA is just dumb? Maybe these workers are bad workers? Maybe these people are close to retirement, which would be awful. I do not know why they are doing this but there could be an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone for EA. Remember, it costs time and money to train new employees.
Prices Law, 30% of the workforce does 50% of the work. There is nothing wrong with unions but if the union is preventing firings of people who need to be fired, then the unions are no better than the corporate ceo's. People that refuse to give it their all at work do not deserve their job. Period! And, sadly, that is the vast majority of the workforce in the western world. I have worked for AIG, and is now self employed, and has friends that are managers, and my brother worked for AECOM the world's largest civil engineering firm. The work ethic of people nowadays is garbage minus Asians and illegal Hispanics.
Who said anything about laisse-faire? Who says I am defending corporations? I suppose if you are going to strawman and ad homein EA for laying off 5% of their workforce, without truly knowing why, then you will do that to me and everyone else who disagrees with you.
@HeadPirate it is inaccurate to claim that a business only exists in the US to enrich the top few shareholders at the expense of all others. Just because it's true for some businesses doesn't mean it's true for every business.
Maybe Japanese culture have a better mentality of hiring the right amount of people to get the job done? Maybe the Japanese people are working longer and harder? Maybe western countries are lazy and thus it takes more people do the same amount of work as Japanese people? Maybe Japanese culture focus more on long term success instead of short term.
No one is entitled to a job. Where did this mentality begin?
This is a rare game that I had no ambition to complete. I only got towards the end of the second world. I tried to force myself to complete the game but I just couldn't. I cut my loses and sold it. I only sell games I will never play again.
It is so sad that Kingdom battle is the #1 reason why I bought the switch back in January 2018.
@JJtheTexan I initially loved this idea! The only downside is that they may nerf/beef up some aspects of the game at any random time. For example, aim assist on Fortnite.
@nocdaes exactly how I feel! I have always said that ultimate has too many characters and too many FF characters. Less is more.
I can easily see Nintendo doing to smash what they have done to paper Mario, Mario golf series, Mario party, Yoshi series, etc. Nintendo can't be completely trusted 100% on first party games anymore and that began on the Wii.
I love smash 64 and melee. I lost interest in smash after melee. Subspace was cool, the board on smash 4 was cool (I think I am the only one that likes it), but the campaign in ultimate is a chore.
Smash as a whole has only been meh since melee. They don't inovate enough and when they do it's either too short or despised by everyone. It also feels like they are trying to squeeze water out of a rock.
I never pre order, especially in the modern gaming age. I feel that the GameCube was the last console where you could blindly buy first party Nintendo games and you knew they would be good. That hasn't been the case since the Wii. I will wait to see if the game isn't broken first before I buy.
Zelda makes the most sense, however I would prefer live action. Then I would say DK/Luigi's mansion/star fox/Metroid/super Mario world/Yoshi's island would be the next best options, not in any particular order. Judging from the end credits it will most likely be Mario world.
The rest don't seem like a good idea. If they do make movies with the rest it would be better off for Nintendo to develop a high reputation first with the franchise's I previously mentioned. Then make movies with the rest.
Differentiating the objective and the subjective can be difficult. Society has been plagued with the idea that the individual is always right, regardless of what they know, because they are the said individual and no one can object, and that is rarely the case. The consequence of mass subjectivity is the entertainment industry knowing they could save millions of dollars by pumping out half hearted material because they know the audience is too subjective, and don't know any better, to fight back against it. And that is exactly whats going on.
Objective judgment is always imposed on creative endeavors, especially, and maybe primarily, on the script. Example, Mario bros 1993. Anyone that claims that Mario bros 1993 is better than the new one is either a kid that doesn't know any better or cannot be taken seriously. That is objective 100%. One can argue that 1993 did some things better than the new one, and vice versa. I still think Bob Hoskins is the best Mario hands down, but that is subjective. I think Chris Pratt did far better than what the trailers revealed and I completely forgot Pratt was doing Mario's voice, which is huge compliment for Pratt! That is subjective as well. But the 1993 wasn't a Mario movie, or it barely was. The setting was bad, most of the characters were not depicted as they should, etc. All the new Mario had to be was the right setting, depiction of characters, in order for it to be a success.
@electrolite77 there is nothing intellectual going on when principles of story telling are thrown in the garbage and society will accept anything. Having a main character almost useless, while still being a super hero movie, is bad story telling, sequels aside. For objectivity, it's how the story was made. The subjectivity comes after the agreement of the objective and no one can agree on the objective.
Yes studios need to make money but the art should come first and then the money will follow. Pixar is the perfect example of that. so far I haven't seen a bad Pixar film. Now days studios just dumb down content for a quick cash grab. Money is before art. Spielberg is an example of art before money and that guy made masterpieces that made a ton of cash.
@michellelynn0976 i never said I didn't like it. I was pleasantly surprised. I LOVED the beginning and the end but didn't care for the middle. My biggest beef was that it felt more like a Super Princess Peach movie instead of super Mario bros. Peach was perfect in combat, etc. I was hoping for Mario 2 vibes but with the absence of Luigi we didn't get that. Peach didn't need Mario and Mario had no value most of the movie and for some reason a lot of people don't see this. I could go on forever but it's a serious problem when the main character doesn't contribute to the story as they are supposed too. It defeats the purpose of the movie. I don't understand people calling it the greatest animated movie, or even amazing, for adults standards. It's a movie made for 10 year olds and it did it's job perfectly.
Not to sound like a jerk, and I truly mean it, I feel that our culture is artistically unintelligent nowadays. There was a day an age where most people would agree on what's bad but those days are long gone. People are too subjective when it comes to art. What is the point of going to film school when all the principals of making films are just thrown out the window. I also blame movie studios for this problem too. They care too much about profit.
The only reason why the first movie failed is because they didn't treat it like a Mario movie. Mario is more popular than Mickey mouse. Almost everyone, including the elderly, know what Mario is. All the movie has to be is competent and Nintendo will make bank.
However it is not the same for the other franchises. Zelda, DK, Metroid, would struggle to sell immensely vs Mario. Not saying it will fail but I would be stunned if the numbers are half of the Mario movie.
For me it's a hard 6. Too many Nintendo references and peach was hard to watch. It felt more like Super Princess Peach movie than a super Mario bros movie. Mario was almost useless. That is why I gave it a 6.
A 6/10 is a perfect score for this movie. They played it too safe.
It could have gone a little deeper on story but it is what it is.
There was too many references to their games. It got old quick.
First half hour was great. The middle was nauseating, and last half hour was great. They made peach a total feminist. For most of the movie she had no need for mario. She is perfect. Why make a Mario movie when peach is perfect and doesn't need his help? That was the middle half hour.
Because of the middle half hour I have no desire to watch this film again.
As bad as the 1993 movie was, Bob Hoskins is the best Mario! Hands down. I would even take the 80s Mario over Pratt. There are plenty of options out there but Chris Pratt was the safe and lazy choice. I hope I am wrong.
@Shepdawg1 I think this is the second article I read about about defending Pratt. First the producer and now him. The original Nintendo direct faced backlash when they announced the Pratt. This is obvious damage control. They know they goofed.
@Bolt_Strike @Bolt_Strike The metric I use to determine good games might be different than most. For me it's all about the 100% guarantee that you know the game won't have bad game design, which is different from personal preferences. Switch games with poor game design are; Mario golf, Mario strikers, paper Mario, super Mario party, Mario party superstars, Mario maker 2, the Yoshi game I forgot the name of, smash ultimate (not awful, just forgettable), Mario Rabbids sparks of hope (this might not technically be a first party game), Pokemon scarlet and violet, FE engage has caused some controversy.
Having to wait and read reviews and look up info online before I buy a game is a bad sign. I don't trust that Nintendo will always make a good game.
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Re: Poll: So, Do You Prefer Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Or Tears Of The Kingdom?
Both are great games! The added features to TotK makes BotW unplayable. Arrows are almost meaningless in BotW compared to TotK and that alone makes it unplayable. Transportation is awful compared to TotK.
Votes for BotW are solely out of nostalgia, at least, that is what everyone is saying in the comments.
Switch the order of release of the games and BotW would be a MASSIVE disappointment.
Re: Talking Point: What's Your Personal Favourite Super Mario Game?
The best Mario platformer for me would be a combination of the items and levels of Mario 3 with the handling of Super Mario World.
Re: Random: New Pokémon Ad Positions 3DS As 'Retro', And The Internet Disagrees
@Ryu_Niiyama reading your comment made me feel old haha. The benefit for people like us is that we were lucky enough to grow up with it and those games were considered the best at their time and there was nothing to compare it too. It would most likely be too difficult nowadays for young people to go and try great games like TMNT Manhattan Project, or even the SNES Mario Kart, which is still my fav for many reasons outside of nostalgia.
Re: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Official Tournament Celebrates Mario Day Later This Week (North America)
@MannequinRaces This might be a bit off topic but Nintendo giving $10 to the top 310 players reminds me of the smash melee scene. Smashers hoped that official licensed Nintendo tournaments would bring in the big bucks to the top players and Dr. Alan claimed they give next to nothing. This Mk8D tourny proves his point.
Re: Electronic Arts Cuts 5% Of Workforce, Closes Studio And Cancels Games
@HeadPirate While what you say has truth, it can also be taken into extremes. VZ, FLIC, XRX and many others have all tanked since COVID. I have yet to see lawsuits from investors. Disney is the perfect example and, as of now, I do not see any lawsuits from investors. The only one I see is lying about their streaming losses. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I doubt it happens as much as claimed. If the burden of proof didn't always matter then there would be lawsuits every year with every company.
Assumptions are being made about the layoffs at EA. Maybe they abandoned some projects? Maybe they want to go in a different direction? Maybe they are overstaffed? Maybe EA is just dumb? Maybe these workers are bad workers? Maybe these people are close to retirement, which would be awful. I do not know why they are doing this but there could be an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone for EA. Remember, it costs time and money to train new employees.
Prices Law, 30% of the workforce does 50% of the work. There is nothing wrong with unions but if the union is preventing firings of people who need to be fired, then the unions are no better than the corporate ceo's. People that refuse to give it their all at work do not deserve their job. Period! And, sadly, that is the vast majority of the workforce in the western world. I have worked for AIG, and is now self employed, and has friends that are managers, and my brother worked for AECOM the world's largest civil engineering firm. The work ethic of people nowadays is garbage minus Asians and illegal Hispanics.
Who said anything about laisse-faire? Who says I am defending corporations? I suppose if you are going to strawman and ad homein EA for laying off 5% of their workforce, without truly knowing why, then you will do that to me and everyone else who disagrees with you.
Re: Electronic Arts Lays Off 5% Of Its Workforce
@HeadPirate it is inaccurate to claim that a business only exists in the US to enrich the top few shareholders at the expense of all others. Just because it's true for some businesses doesn't mean it's true for every business.
Maybe Japanese culture have a better mentality of hiring the right amount of people to get the job done? Maybe the Japanese people are working longer and harder? Maybe western countries are lazy and thus it takes more people do the same amount of work as Japanese people? Maybe Japanese culture focus more on long term success instead of short term.
No one is entitled to a job. Where did this mentality begin?
Re: Mario + Rabbids Sparks Of Hope Dev Is "Not Worried" About Game's Initial Sales
This is a rare game that I had no ambition to complete. I only got towards the end of the second world. I tried to force myself to complete the game but I just couldn't. I cut my loses and sold it. I only sell games I will never play again.
It is so sad that Kingdom battle is the #1 reason why I bought the switch back in January 2018.
Re: Talking Point: Would A Third Wave Of Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC Have Been Too Much?
@JJtheTexan I initially loved this idea! The only downside is that they may nerf/beef up some aspects of the game at any random time. For example, aim assist on Fortnite.
@nocdaes exactly how I feel! I have always said that ultimate has too many characters and too many FF characters. Less is more.
Re: Sakurai Can't Imagine Future Super Smash Bros. Games Without His Involvement
I can easily see Nintendo doing to smash what they have done to paper Mario, Mario golf series, Mario party, Yoshi series, etc. Nintendo can't be completely trusted 100% on first party games anymore and that began on the Wii.
I love smash 64 and melee. I lost interest in smash after melee. Subspace was cool, the board on smash 4 was cool (I think I am the only one that likes it), but the campaign in ultimate is a chore.
Smash as a whole has only been meh since melee. They don't inovate enough and when they do it's either too short or despised by everyone. It also feels like they are trying to squeeze water out of a rock.
Re: Poll: Pikmin 4 Is Out On Switch This Week, Will You Be Getting It?
I never pre order, especially in the modern gaming age. I feel that the GameCube was the last console where you could blindly buy first party Nintendo games and you knew they would be good. That hasn't been the case since the Wii. I will wait to see if the game isn't broken first before I buy.
Re: Talking Point: Which Nintendo Franchise Should Illumination Tackle Next?
@MarioBrickLayer you would figure it would be released by a studio Nintendo owns. Why own a studio but have another studio release all the movies 🤔
Re: Talking Point: Which Nintendo Franchise Should Illumination Tackle Next?
@Munchlax @Ejadaddy ditto!
Zelda makes the most sense, however I would prefer live action. Then I would say DK/Luigi's mansion/star fox/Metroid/super Mario world/Yoshi's island would be the next best options, not in any particular order. Judging from the end credits it will most likely be Mario world.
The rest don't seem like a good idea. If they do make movies with the rest it would be better off for Nintendo to develop a high reputation first with the franchise's I previously mentioned. Then make movies with the rest.
Re: Super Mario Movie Secures Most Successful Opening Weekend For Any Animated Film, Ever
Differentiating the objective and the subjective can be difficult. Society has been plagued with the idea that the individual is always right, regardless of what they know, because they are the said individual and no one can object, and that is rarely the case. The consequence of mass subjectivity is the entertainment industry knowing they could save millions of dollars by pumping out half hearted material because they know the audience is too subjective, and don't know any better, to fight back against it. And that is exactly whats going on.
Objective judgment is always imposed on creative endeavors, especially, and maybe primarily, on the script. Example, Mario bros 1993. Anyone that claims that Mario bros 1993 is better than the new one is either a kid that doesn't know any better or cannot be taken seriously. That is objective 100%. One can argue that 1993 did some things better than the new one, and vice versa. I still think Bob Hoskins is the best Mario hands down, but that is subjective. I think Chris Pratt did far better than what the trailers revealed and I completely forgot Pratt was doing Mario's voice, which is huge compliment for Pratt! That is subjective as well. But the 1993 wasn't a Mario movie, or it barely was. The setting was bad, most of the characters were not depicted as they should, etc. All the new Mario had to be was the right setting, depiction of characters, in order for it to be a success.
Re: Super Mario Movie Secures Most Successful Opening Weekend For Any Animated Film, Ever
@electrolite77 there is nothing intellectual going on when principles of story telling are thrown in the garbage and society will accept anything. Having a main character almost useless, while still being a super hero movie, is bad story telling, sequels aside. For objectivity, it's how the story was made. The subjectivity comes after the agreement of the objective and no one can agree on the objective.
Yes studios need to make money but the art should come first and then the money will follow. Pixar is the perfect example of that. so far I haven't seen a bad Pixar film. Now days studios just dumb down content for a quick cash grab. Money is before art. Spielberg is an example of art before money and that guy made masterpieces that made a ton of cash.
Re: Super Mario Movie Secures Most Successful Opening Weekend For Any Animated Film, Ever
@michellelynn0976 i never said I didn't like it. I was pleasantly surprised. I LOVED the beginning and the end but didn't care for the middle. My biggest beef was that it felt more like a Super Princess Peach movie instead of super Mario bros. Peach was perfect in combat, etc. I was hoping for Mario 2 vibes but with the absence of Luigi we didn't get that. Peach didn't need Mario and Mario had no value most of the movie and for some reason a lot of people don't see this. I could go on forever but it's a serious problem when the main character doesn't contribute to the story as they are supposed too. It defeats the purpose of the movie. I don't understand people calling it the greatest animated movie, or even amazing, for adults standards. It's a movie made for 10 year olds and it did it's job perfectly.
Not to sound like a jerk, and I truly mean it, I feel that our culture is artistically unintelligent nowadays. There was a day an age where most people would agree on what's bad but those days are long gone. People are too subjective when it comes to art. What is the point of going to film school when all the principals of making films are just thrown out the window. I also blame movie studios for this problem too. They care too much about profit.
Re: Mario Movie's Jack Black Song 'Peaches' Now Eligible For Oscar Nomination
Who decides on who is a candidate for all of these awards ceremonies? It seems predetermined to me.
Re: Super Mario Movie Secures Most Successful Opening Weekend For Any Animated Film, Ever
The only reason why the first movie failed is because they didn't treat it like a Mario movie. Mario is more popular than Mickey mouse. Almost everyone, including the elderly, know what Mario is. All the movie has to be is competent and Nintendo will make bank.
However it is not the same for the other franchises. Zelda, DK, Metroid, would struggle to sell immensely vs Mario. Not saying it will fail but I would be stunned if the numbers are half of the Mario movie.
Re: Super Mario Movie Secures Most Successful Opening Weekend For Any Animated Film, Ever
@michellelynn0976 just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good, hence the top 40 for the last 20 years.
Re: Poll: What Score Would You Give To The Super Mario Bros. Movie?
For me it's a hard 6. Too many Nintendo references and peach was hard to watch. It felt more like Super Princess Peach movie than a super Mario bros movie. Mario was almost useless. That is why I gave it a 6.
Re: Movie Review: The Super Mario Bros. Movie - A Fun Ride That Substitutes Story For Spectacle
A 6/10 is a perfect score for this movie. They played it too safe.
It could have gone a little deeper on story but it is what it is.
There was too many references to their games. It got old quick.
First half hour was great. The middle was nauseating, and last half hour was great. They made peach a total feminist. For most of the movie she had no need for mario. She is perfect. Why make a Mario movie when peach is perfect and doesn't need his help? That was the middle half hour.
Because of the middle half hour I have no desire to watch this film again.
Re: Yes, The Super Mario Bros. Movie Will Have A Post-Credits Scene
Why is everyone excited for this when no one has seen the movie yet!?!?
Re: Chris Pratt Defends "The Voices" In The Mario Movie
As bad as the 1993 movie was, Bob Hoskins is the best Mario! Hands down. I would even take the 80s Mario over Pratt. There are plenty of options out there but Chris Pratt was the safe and lazy choice. I hope I am wrong.
@Shepdawg1 I think this is the second article I read about about defending Pratt. First the producer and now him. The original Nintendo direct faced backlash when they announced the Pratt. This is obvious damage control. They know they goofed.
Re: Random: Smash Bros. Melee HD Unlikely To Happen, According To Former Nintendo Employees
I would be shocked if Nintendo did a remake of any smash bros game. I don't think its just melee they are at odds with.
Re: Mario Movie Directors Explain Their Take On Princess Peach
@ATaco
Thank you!! This is spot on. For many reasons I am becoming more doubtful that this movie will even be good.
Re: Talking Point: Which Nintendo Console Has The Best First-Party Games Lineup?
@TheBigBlue haha oops. That was a mistake lol. Still no disrespect for bolt. I like good genuine conversation
Re: Talking Point: Which Nintendo Console Has The Best First-Party Games Lineup?
@Bolt_Strike @Bolt_Strike
The metric I use to determine good games might be different than most. For me it's all about the 100% guarantee that you know the game won't have bad game design, which is different from personal preferences. Switch games with poor game design are; Mario golf, Mario strikers, paper Mario, super Mario party, Mario party superstars, Mario maker 2, the Yoshi game I forgot the name of, smash ultimate (not awful, just forgettable), Mario Rabbids sparks of hope (this might not technically be a first party game), Pokemon scarlet and violet, FE engage has caused some controversy.
Having to wait and read reviews and look up info online before I buy a game is a bad sign. I don't trust that Nintendo will always make a good game.