Doom should be your FPS rep. Halo, Portal, Half-Life 2 and Modern Warfare are fine first person games but they're incremental improvements over conspicuously absent FPS late 90s entries (Half-Life particularly. Then there's the absence of trailblazing immersive sims like Deus Ex).
Mario 64 and Mario Kart make these kinds of lists because people just don't have the gumption to admit that everyone would pick their not-that-different-enough successors 99 times out of 100 if presented the option.
To then put Super Mario Bros. 3 on here but not the original speaks to how arbitrary the criteria are.
Breath of the Wild and The Last of Us are both in my personal top 5, but just feel weird in a "greatest of all time" list. They will be superseded, if they haven't already.
Pokémon GO fits the criteria perfectly IMO, such as they are. Easily my least favorite game on the list but that's not what they're asking.
One context for the "lazy devs" accusation that particularly makes me cringe is speed running: like some really obscure glitch is found that nobody uncovered in normal gameplay, running on a machine less computationally capable than my toaster. And the patter in the commentary is ripping on those dastardly lazy devs. It's exhausting.
Though maybe we still need "lazy devs" around as one of those red flag phrases that let you know to set your expectations that bit lower? It's like Clear Blue for opinions that probably aren't worth hearing.
If the five games have an arc, it feels like Dread's doing most of the work to make that the case? Like the closest we've had to foreshadowing of any of it was an unlockable image in the 3DS remake of #2? Not saying it was done poorly, but the idea that the story is in any way a closed-loop seems a bit much.
I've actually really enjoyed having the Mario 35th one around and fully want one of these. Found having a little dedicated device is a really good way of actually making me sit down and play the games properly.
@iambobthebush That sounds like an entirely legitimate critique though? It's fine as adults to enjoy these games but they are for children first and foremost, and if kids struggle that's a genuine mark against the game and actually a point of diligence to check as part of a consumer review.
I can see what will happen with the copy I got my oldest nephew—he'll like it well enough, but if his sibling, who is more shy of button-based titles can't get on with it, it will be inferior to SMP by default.
Funny thing about "Wacky Worlds" is that its level themes are only unusual from the perspective of Super Mario World's inventive settings. They're 100% the same old nonsense as every other also ran platformer on the market at the time.
Everyone who reads that headline is 100% thinking about Shaggy of Mr. Bombastic fame. And you would have gotten away with as well, if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
He's not wrong. No Nintendo console has ever needed a mid-cycle refresh to its base specs—but that's never stopped them from doing it, or the market from buying it, or the pattern to become sufficiently established that we all expect it.
I'd rather we just got to a proper successor at this point.
WoOooOoOOOo the secret of Mt. Hikami is that they never released the Wii U version physically for North American consoles WoooooOoOoOo and it's expensive to this day in its limited EU release WooooOoOoOOOOspooooky.
Tongue mostly in cheek for this. Honestly, on paper the Super Mario Bros. film actually had a pretty good cast. Shame about, you know, absolutely everything else.
The prospect of a tiered subscription system has never made sense to me, especially when the "online" element of this upgrade to the online package will be negligible. If you absolutely have to get extra money for ropey old N64 games, why not just release an N64 collection as a separate app? You get the games for the admission price, they have online multiplayer if you're an NSO subscriber. Why make this more confusing than it has to be?
Edit: Have to say, I can't really imagine that NSO's roll-up of old software has been what Nintendo wants. It was a way to get people used to the idea of paying online fees—they must know they could make loads of money on top if they sold the games separately. I honestly believe Virtual Console will return. Maybe not on Switch, maybe not under the same name, but definitely on its successor.
The percentage tracker should have been greatly reweighted towards the actual game or not in there at all. I can just about see the worth of tracking down every little sidequest, but getting the korok seeds is bascially like collecting every coin in a Mario game. Like sure, you do you, and there's some interesting challenge in it, but it's so far from the actual point of the game and actively detrimental to most people's enjoyment.
@Synecdoche You have my permission to be, but according to a reddit post in May it unfortunately doesn't look like the Japanese release of RF5 allows same sex marriage.
Not sure I'm onboard with Quake being an unimpeachable 10/10 classic now or when it was first released. Always felt like one step forward, two steps back from DOOM honestly. Undoubtedly good, but not that extra little bit of good, you know?
Hello, I am the one person with a Switch who doesn't own Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (never saw the point of upgrading from the Wii U version tbh. Looks like I have owned the rest of the top 10 at some point though!)
(I imagine John Carmack had a big role in this rather than just Romero, even if he was the source of the video. Romero's biggest talents were in level design, Carmack was all about fast engines)
"If you're wondering how a light gun can interact with film stock, your opponents' eyes flash (as you can see above) just before they draw. If you're fast and accurate enough to aim and point at the big white 'flash', you'll see them fall to the ground"
Not sure if this would be correct? Unlike the game console "light-guns" the arcade versions (and toys) actually did fire beams at a mechanically operated sensor behind the projector (or somewhere else it could be reflected into, or in a toy), rather than sticking the sensor in the gun and the light in the display? I'm not sure a sensor would be able to tell the difference between that flash in the eyes and any other bright spot on a projected image. Seems more likely it signaled when you were allowed to shoot.
Rather cheeky branding. Analogue must be pretty flattered right now.
Also, I'm confused - if it has to use a PC as a middle man, what are the chips on the board doing? The emulation? But there's a whole-ass PC just sitting there?
@iuli Hi, I feel like you need to understand now that this is the absolute worst take.
Firstly, because Takahata is indispensable to Ghibli, and Grave of the Fireflies isn't the only film of his that is worthy of mention. Furthermore, ignoring the contributions of people like Katsuya Kondō or Kazuo Oga to the Ghibli look is just plainly ignorant. Besides, this level of auteur worship denies the hard work of lower-level artists in an often exploitative industry.
Also, and most importantly, Miyazaki is the world's most cantankerous man and would definitely give you an hour-long dressing down in front of the entire company for ever airing this view.
I think the Mario Galaxy 2xCD is the only thing I ever actually saved up enough points to afford? People talk up how great the EU service was but it really was a lot of old tat. You needed a colossal library of scratch codes to get anything halfway decent (and a whole bunch of my codes expired before I could use them!)
Oh wait, the only other thing is a cardboard artbox for the first three Professor Layton games, which is neat I guess?
Fingers crossed for a surprise beyond the three obvious candidates... not that the DLC needs anything else to be decent quality, I just like surprises.
@Rika_Yoshitake I imagine people are thinking of what Game Freak's Sword/Shield games looked like the first time they saw them, rather than the early (mostly non direct-feed) early versions of games internally developed at Nintendo?
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Re: Zelda: BotW, Super Mario 64 And Pokémon GO Shortlisted For The Golden Joystick 'Ultimate Game Of All Time' Award
Just say no to lists.
Doom should be your FPS rep. Halo, Portal, Half-Life 2 and Modern Warfare are fine first person games but they're incremental improvements over conspicuously absent FPS late 90s entries (Half-Life particularly. Then there's the absence of trailblazing immersive sims like Deus Ex).
Mario 64 and Mario Kart make these kinds of lists because people just don't have the gumption to admit that everyone would pick their not-that-different-enough successors 99 times out of 100 if presented the option.
To then put Super Mario Bros. 3 on here but not the original speaks to how arbitrary the criteria are.
Breath of the Wild and The Last of Us are both in my personal top 5, but just feel weird in a "greatest of all time" list. They will be superseded, if they haven't already.
Pokémon GO fits the criteria perfectly IMO, such as they are. Easily my least favorite game on the list but that's not what they're asking.
Re: Soapbox: Can We Please Retire The Phrase 'Lazy Devs' Already?
One context for the "lazy devs" accusation that particularly makes me cringe is speed running: like some really obscure glitch is found that nobody uncovered in normal gameplay, running on a machine less computationally capable than my toaster. And the patter in the commentary is ripping on those dastardly lazy devs. It's exhausting.
Though maybe we still need "lazy devs" around as one of those red flag phrases that let you know to set your expectations that bit lower? It's like Clear Blue for opinions that probably aren't worth hearing.
Re: Square Enix Is The Next Company To Embrace NFTs And Blockchain Gaming
Looking forward to the cast of Final Fantasy XVII being various blunt smoking chimpanzees entirely unique to my experience.
Re: Sakamoto: Metroid Dread Is Not The "Ultimate End", Samus Will Continue Her Adventures
If the five games have an arc, it feels like Dread's doing most of the work to make that the case? Like the closest we've had to foreshadowing of any of it was an unlockable image in the 3DS remake of #2? Not saying it was done poorly, but the idea that the story is in any way a closed-loop seems a bit much.
Re: Random: Some Trainers Have Already Captured The Legendary Pokémon In The Diamond & Pearl Remakes
Uh-oh, I captured these guys like a decade ago. Time for Nintendo to batten down the hatches.
Re: Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D To Be Temporarily Removed From The 3DS eShop
Here's hoping that this reminds them they could have made versions available for systems released since 2011?
Re: PSA: Game & Watch: The Legend of Zelda Will Let You Enjoy Both Japanese And 'Western' Versions
I've actually really enjoyed having the Mario 35th one around and fully want one of these. Found having a little dedicated device is a really good way of actually making me sit down and play the games properly.
Re: Ubisoft Wants To Be "One Of The Key Players" In Blockchain Gaming
To paraphrase a great woman. "Of all the reasons to actively avoid buying Ubisoft products, this ranks... somewhere in the middle."
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Mario Party Superstars
@Clyde_Radcliffe It's ok to love the child's game hun.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Mario Party Superstars
@iambobthebush That sounds like an entirely legitimate critique though? It's fine as adults to enjoy these games but they are for children first and foremost, and if kids struggle that's a genuine mark against the game and actually a point of diligence to check as part of a consumer review.
I can see what will happen with the copy I got my oldest nephew—he'll like it well enough, but if his sibling, who is more shy of button-based titles can't get on with it, it will be inferior to SMP by default.
Re: Random: Going To Holland Soon? Then Make Sure You Play This 'Lost' Super Mario World Sequel
@Franklin May I see it?
Funny thing about "Wacky Worlds" is that its level themes are only unusual from the perspective of Super Mario World's inventive settings. They're 100% the same old nonsense as every other also ran platformer on the market at the time.
Re: Nintendo Just Renewed A Bunch Of Trademarks, Including Duck Hunt, Excitebots And Super Mario Land
Ah yes, the most thrilling Nintendo game of all: trademark renewal.
Re: Rumour: Warner Working On A Smash Bros. Imitator With Batman, Gandalf And, Er, Shaggy
Everyone who reads that headline is 100% thinking about Shaggy of Mr. Bombastic fame. And you would have gotten away with as well, if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
Re: "I Don't Think The Switch Needs A More Powerful Version" Says 'World War Z' Lead Designer
He's not wrong. No Nintendo console has ever needed a mid-cycle refresh to its base specs—but that's never stopped them from doing it, or the market from buying it, or the pattern to become sufficiently established that we all expect it.
I'd rather we just got to a proper successor at this point.
Re: Feature: So, Who Will Be The Final Fighter In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate?
Seems an unlikely pick at this point, but I still maintain my Smash 4 ballot pick of Professor Layton would be great.
Re: Dragon Quest X Offline Has Been Confirmed For Switch, Launches In Japan Next February
@TeslaChippie If you aren't aware of raids introduced in Stormblood... maybe a good time to get back into 14.
Re: Fatal Frame: Maiden Of Black Water's Latest Trailer Tells The Terrifying Truth Of Mt. Hikami
WoOooOoOOOo the secret of Mt. Hikami is that they never released the Wii U version physically for North American consoles WoooooOoOoOo and it's expensive to this day in its limited EU release WooooOoOoOOOOspooooky.
Re: Former Mario Movie Star John Leguizamo Isn't Happy With The Casting On The New Film
Tongue mostly in cheek for this. Honestly, on paper the Super Mario Bros. film actually had a pretty good cast. Shame about, you know, absolutely everything else.
Re: SUDA51 Would Love To Revive A Lesser-Known Nintendo Classic
@Shambo I suspect such fairhandedness is not the Murasame Castle way.
Re: SUDA51 Would Love To Revive A Lesser-Known Nintendo Classic
Suda and Kamiya fighting it out for the right to make Murasame Castle when?
Re: New Kemco Sale Discounts Ten RPGs Across Switch And 3DS
Petition to rename Nintendo's digital storefront "Kemco Sale Browser (featuring Nintendo eShop)"
Re: Rumour: Insider Says N64 Is Coming To Switch Online, Believes It Will Introduce A "Higher-Priced" Subscription Tier
The prospect of a tiered subscription system has never made sense to me, especially when the "online" element of this upgrade to the online package will be negligible. If you absolutely have to get extra money for ropey old N64 games, why not just release an N64 collection as a separate app? You get the games for the admission price, they have online multiplayer if you're an NSO subscriber. Why make this more confusing than it has to be?
Edit: Have to say, I can't really imagine that NSO's roll-up of old software has been what Nintendo wants. It was a way to get people used to the idea of paying online fees—they must know they could make loads of money on top if they sold the games separately. I honestly believe Virtual Console will return. Maybe not on Switch, maybe not under the same name, but definitely on its successor.
Re: Rumour: Switch Will Reportedly Receive A Price Cut Ahead Of The OLED Model's Launch
Lots of doubt in this thread, so I'm going to assume this is 100% going to happen now because you lot are terrible at calling these things.
Re: Nintendo's Bringing Mario Kart Junior Esports Tournaments To UK Primary Schools
For the record, I won the Super Mario Kart tournament at Patrick V's birthday party and I didn't even own a SNES. Beat that, 8 year olds!
Re: THQ Nordic Appears To Be Releasing Star Wars Double Packs
Jedi Knight 3: Jedi Academy 1
The match between Dark Forces and Jedi Outcast postponed due to bent pitch
Re: Talking Point: Just How 'Finished' Is Your Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Save File?
The percentage tracker should have been greatly reweighted towards the actual game or not in there at all. I can just about see the worth of tracking down every little sidequest, but getting the korok seeds is bascially like collecting every coin in a Mario game. Like sure, you do you, and there's some interesting challenge in it, but it's so far from the actual point of the game and actively detrimental to most people's enjoyment.
Re: Marvelous Celebrates 15 Years Of The Rune Factory Series With A Special Anniversary Video
@Synecdoche You have my permission to be, but according to a reddit post in May it unfortunately doesn't look like the Japanese release of RF5 allows same sex marriage.
Re: Review: Quake - The Definitive Version Of An Iconic, Flawless FPS
Not sure I'm onboard with Quake being an unimpeachable 10/10 classic now or when it was first released. Always felt like one step forward, two steps back from DOOM honestly. Undoubtedly good, but not that extra little bit of good, you know?
Re: Here Are The Top Ten Best-Selling Nintendo Switch Games As Of June 2021
Hello, I am the one person with a Switch who doesn't own Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (never saw the point of upgrading from the Wii U version tbh. Looks like I have owned the rest of the top 10 at some point though!)
Re: Review: PICROSS S GENESIS & Master System Edition - Picross X SEGA Could Have Been More
@The_New_Butler
Every Sonic Mega Drive Game, while using a sound sample derived from SEGA's 80s Japanese TV advertising: "SAY-GUH"
A stubborn Australian: "SEA-GAH"
Who will win?
Re: Fatal Frame: Maiden Of Black Water Will Haunt Switch At Halloween
@Ventilator I wouldn't expect anything less than a complete Wii U set from someone with a Devil's Third avatar!
Re: Project Zero: Maiden Of Black Water Will Haunt Switch At Halloween
The rules are that the Wii U physical version will massively plummet in price when this is released, right? Right?
Re: Random: John Romero's PC Port Of Super Mario Bros. 3 Turns Up On A Floppy In A Museum
(I imagine John Carmack had a big role in this rather than just Romero, even if he was the source of the video. Romero's biggest talents were in level design, Carmack was all about fast engines)
Re: 16mm Film From Nintendo's 1974 Wild Gunman Arcade Cabinet Has Been Found
"If you're wondering how a light gun can interact with film stock, your opponents' eyes flash (as you can see above) just before they draw. If you're fast and accurate enough to aim and point at the big white 'flash', you'll see them fall to the ground"
Not sure if this would be correct? Unlike the game console "light-guns" the arcade versions (and toys) actually did fire beams at a mechanically operated sensor behind the projector (or somewhere else it could be reflected into, or in a toy), rather than sticking the sensor in the gun and the light in the display? I'm not sure a sensor would be able to tell the difference between that flash in the eyes and any other bright spot on a projected image. Seems more likely it signaled when you were allowed to shoot.
Someone ask Jeremy Parish, he probably knows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dxa2QkZmso
Re: Netflix No Longer Works On Wii U Or 3DS, So Where's The Switch Version?
I don't have or particularly want a "smart" TV. This just means that I have to use my PS4 and its constantly battery-drained controller.
Re: This Adapter Lets You Play Game Boy Cartridges On Your PC, And It Even Detects Fakes
Rather cheeky branding. Analogue must be pretty flattered right now.
Also, I'm confused - if it has to use a PC as a middle man, what are the chips on the board doing? The emulation? But there's a whole-ass PC just sitting there?
Re: Zelda: Skyward Sword HD Will Have "Various Quality-Of-Life Enhancements", Nintendo Says
Why has it taken them so long to just say this? Literally the only thing I needed to hear about the game.
Re: Random: Did You Know EarthBound Creator Shigesato Itoi Had A Starring Role In My Neighbor Totoro?
@iuli Hi, I feel like you need to understand now that this is the absolute worst take.
Firstly, because Takahata is indispensable to Ghibli, and Grave of the Fireflies isn't the only film of his that is worthy of mention. Furthermore, ignoring the contributions of people like Katsuya Kondō or Kazuo Oga to the Ghibli look is just plainly ignorant. Besides, this level of auteur worship denies the hard work of lower-level artists in an often exploitative industry.
Also, and most importantly, Miyazaki is the world's most cantankerous man and would definitely give you an hour-long dressing down in front of the entire company for ever airing this view.
Re: Feature: What's Your Most Treasured Club Nintendo Possession?
I think the Mario Galaxy 2xCD is the only thing I ever actually saved up enough points to afford? People talk up how great the EU service was but it really was a lot of old tat. You needed a colossal library of scratch codes to get anything halfway decent (and a whole bunch of my codes expired before I could use them!)
Oh wait, the only other thing is a cardboard artbox for the first three Professor Layton games, which is neat I guess?
Re: Nintendo Download: 17th June (Europe)
But your ad says "Warioware Get it Together"
Ha, they got this all screwed up: it's
"Warioware?
Get: 'Together!'"
Re: Rumour Buster: Has GameStop Just Revealed The 'New Nintendo Switch'? Probably Not
Proof, if ever it was needed, that the 3DS-era "New" branding was just confusing. Though GameStop's copywriter has no excuse.
Re: Classic Arcade Game 'The Simpsons' Will Get A New Cabinet This Year
@Andee Yes, that was unpleasant for all concerned.
Re: Classic Arcade Game 'The Simpsons' Will Get A New Cabinet This Year
@BanjoPickles Oh, yes. That's very important.
Re: Classic Arcade Game 'The Simpsons' Will Get A New Cabinet This Year
Stop everything! I don't remember writing a check for The Simpsons Bowling!
Re: Want More Cool Mini Game Systems? Say Hello To The Taito EGRET II Mini
@Slowdive A big Taito fan? Got some bad news about the size of this product.
Re: Ubisoft's E3 Conference Will Feature "A Few Surprises"
Tom Clancy's Rhythm Heaven
Re: Review: Wonder Boy: Asha In Monster World - A Fine Revival, Faithful To A Fault
@StrikerXL wonderboy.inin.games says it's there on the Switch cart, whereas it's a separate download with the retail PS4 version.
Re: Microchip Shortages Potentially Impacting Switch Covered In '60 Minutes' Report
Mate there's bags of these things in the freezer aisle at Morrisons. Microwaveable in three minutes, 60 is well off.
Re: Shiva Will Join The Fight In Streets Of Rage 4 'Mr. X Nightmare' DLC
Fingers crossed for a surprise beyond the three obvious candidates... not that the DLC needs anything else to be decent quality, I just like surprises.
Re: Soapbox: Pokémon Legends: Arceus' Release Date Worries Me, But Hopefully I'm Wrong
@Rika_Yoshitake I imagine people are thinking of what Game Freak's Sword/Shield games looked like the first time they saw them, rather than the early (mostly non direct-feed) early versions of games internally developed at Nintendo?