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Sounds like there are some concerns about Steam Deck and the next console.

I miss when Iwata ran the company conservatively. It seems like they're trying to slowly program people to forgot owning games. When the store is nothing but rent without an option to buy is the day I leave all consoles (possibly even PC). It's a sad future knowing those servers will shut down one day, and Microsoft is leading one of the most dangerous introductions. There is no way they can afford to keep game pass that cheap and profit.

Does the PC version have an anti-cheat? That is what will determine if I play it there. If it doesn't have anti-cheat, you may want to think twice about wanting cross-play.

The best thing about the Nintendo Switch as someone who uses their PC as a main go to is that CS:GO and DOTA 2 are not the top 2 for all eternity when checking most played.

@CodyMKW Got you. Half a year, thanks. This is very important for people to know.

What happens to my cloud saves if I drop my subscription and then get it again later? Will all my data be wiped?

Can't say I care for the same price as an old cable TV subscription. What happens to our save files if we decide to drop it a while? I know I let my Nintendo Online account run out once, and I came back to notice a lot of data was missing. What are you guy's experiences?

I wouldn't be surprised if they reason we are loosing it is all the censorship.

For anyone who worries about fps games on this tackpad. I owned 2 Steam controllers. I found them superior to the mouse; especially if you're left-handed. Think Splatoon gyro, but far more customizable and activated on demand. With that being said, my track pads or charging ports went bad. As long as those things and the battery holds up, the Steam Deck could be revolutionary. Especially since Windows isn't necessary.

Is this a joke, or is this a test to see how many people will agree just because a score says so?

I've known a Switch Pro wasn't coming for since they said it had a 7 inch screen. Screens are measured diagonally, which means switch controllers will not fit. Height scales with length. It also doesn't make sense with a gpu/cpu/silicon shortage.

Automatically purchased. I love the look and gameplay even if there isn't any new features. The first game was joyous.

No visual novels for me. I blocked them all from the store on pc so I could see games again. Sometimes I think these metascores are paid off to sell games at a high price with little effort.

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and I'm still waiting on it ;P.

Being forced to rent NES and SNES games instead of owning at least a license is just asking for piracy. Especially those that have save files.

1.Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars
2. Suikoden II
3. Final Fantasy 6
4. Final Fantasy 7
5. Final Fantasy 10

Replace with option to buy instead of rent and put out physical collections.

Elsewhere it's Bejewled and Farmville....

Can't trust buying a machine if a new one is going to launch that quickly. It feels like the world is getting the sega syndrome. Consoles and announcements are flying left and right. Need games; not consoles. That is Nintendo's strongpoint. We need to keep the 8 year average console life going. Pro versions of the same console are a bit annoying. Same thing with just a system bump to give a frame or resolution advantage, microphone, etc.

Insert Sephiroth into game.

Three decades and we're all suddenly offended.

Bring Sephiroth as a playable character!

Getting too close to politics. Keep politics out of games.

@Spudworthy It's not about price. It's about it being the last system of ownership. The fact that they aren't offering to keep your cloud save data indefinitely is different from everywhere else, and it will eliminate all progress if something happens to your system. Xbox One has at least realized it needs backwards compatibility and I'm sure Playstation will follow, but it is important that future console can run these games without the need for emulation so future systems can keep Nintendo alive. Nintendo classics make a massive archive.

It's a great thing, but we should not know about it. That way no one could say Nintendo done it for publicity.

I can certainly see why there is grumbling. Cloud saves are the only way to transfer data to a new system if one goes down. Online has been free for many years until the latest consoles landed, and all the free games aren't free; they're rentals. What if you want to own them?

Free-to-play and subscription-based both immediately turn me away. I really wish Nintendo wouldn't take this route as it's the last option of the consoles.

@Alber-san
Better to have them local since they're so small. Sometimes companies wipe their servers if something hasn't been played for a while. I wouldn't want to loose a Zelda file with 100% completion.

I think Miyamoto just ate the wrong mushroom. GOG Galaxy will have to save us.

The Switch has the best ratio of graphical presentation to horsepower without being too noticeable. It allows us to use less electricity than any other console and still look like a medium setting PC game. That puts it at the top for me. Power outage or whatever, I can just let this thing purr off a standard size solar panel and a charge controller with USB out.

70,000 is cheap?! I paid $5,000 for my trailer.

It would be ok for Nintendo to do this if they actually sold these games instead of renting them like Sony and Microsoft have chosen to do. It's nothing more than a service monopoly, and it forces me to run to places like GOG.com

@hieveryone Before the Switch Nintendo had a strong stance against it. I despise the other two consoles, and pc is full of unregulated trash. Nintendo is special, they're the only company that actually makes their own and knows games. Wait until you have kids begging you for 20 bucks to buy a cosmetic sucker stick that expires in 3 months or the servers shutdown because they aren't selling enough. I can play Super Mario 3 whenever I want and forever. These games will disappear whether you have a cartridge or not. It works like rental housing (far more expensive than payments to own a home, but people choose it anyway).

@Whalehome It's about the influence on the market to not let us handle our own data, games, the the inevitable server shutdowns. When the player base drops, the terminate the games because they rely on constant maintenance money.

@Agramonte Indeed it becomes clutter.

@nab1 I've watched it climb exponentially from the year 2000 forward. Many of my favorite titles changed the model, and even the non pay to win cosmetics take you so far out of the games setting.

@Spiders I've seen many games with the non pay to win suddenly wind up pay to win. Some of them make it very subtle, but years down the road, you can usually find something as simple as a healing potion that is game changing. Check the what happened with Maplestories cosmetic approach. Archlord was also destroyed, White Knight Cronicles was shutdown. Anything on this business model has a death where it will never come back, because they require money to keep it going.

@Richnj I don't see how paying more and having your data in a very insecure place that could shutdown at anytime is beneficial to the player, but it definitely benefits the company. Those cosplay games sound completely uninteresting to me, so I wouldn't even pay a one time price for that cheap junk. Yeah, the cosplay shouldn't even exist in the first place. Steam is getting littered with dating sims and visual novels that cost as much as animated games. It's ridiculous, because it's on nowhere near the same amount of workload.

@GoldenGamer88 Actually, if Nintendo sees a trend of people paying for subscriptions and free to play, they will follow that business platform and only license games/stop selling media such as cartridges for us all. When they move to another console everything will be gone, because they will terminate the servers, and the re-occurring payments will become forced if you want to play anything of decent quality. Nintendo used to have the strongest stance against this before Iwata passed.

@Trajan Paying for characters is highly likely. If not the characters there will be something that requires reoccurring payment instead of unlocking things through skill and fun.

I don't like seeing free-to-play's on Switch. Pretty soon it will be riddled with it, and we will have to carefully read every title to avoid it.

I don't think anyone is really thinking about the fact that you will have to pay for every game you have forever. Want to play Chrono Trigger, pay 20-60 US dollar per month, or it will go poof. You can never download, keep, and play at will from a stream. This is a gaming abomination.

@gloom Exactly, streaming is just a greedy way to take away ownership, and charge forever.

No way I'm falling for this trickery. Hasn't anyone watched "Trailorpark Billionaires?" This is the same thing for gamers. Pay forever, have your old saves/games retired abruptly for the new at any time to save server space. Ubisoft and EA are very dirty. Unlike Miyamoto, they only care about getting rich; not making people happy.

We have Cloud, so we should have Sephiroth. That would make my day.

Unless they find a way to let us have or actually buy our old games, I'm done. Maybe the next console will be one big giant emulator or something. Until then, I'm just going to run to the PC.

@Yoshi87 Exaclty, I think if we talk about this issue enough Nintendo may implement a fix. They're likely using a server emulator with claims the Switch cannot emulate Wii U and etc; however, there are many hackers already achieving such things on much weaker hardware. Their solution needs to be built right into the Switch software; not remote play from a computer.

@Yoshi87 It might help if we all try to make that a strong point to Nintendo. I'm sure they can see where this is an issue. I know Nintendo is observing their consumers. My thoughts are that they have this is special server software made for emulation and are claiming they can't do the same on the console, but there are a lot of hackers out that who have already managed to do so with the power of the Switch. There should be discounts for these remakes we already payed for once as well (since the main reason is really just a code change for the platform). For me, it's a panic area right now.

Still need the option to buy; not rent the virtual console.

They're making the classic games sound like rental only. I don't like this. I don't want to unlock everything in Super Mario RPG or Chrono Trigger, then give it all back one day.