Nintendo has plans to release not one but two new Switch SKUs this year, according to a fresh report from the Wall Street Journal.
As previously hinted, one of these versions will be a cheaper model that could well remove the detachable Joy-Con altogether, making it more akin to a 3DS successor. The WSJ says that the HD Rumble feature will be absent from this model, which is why the famous Joy-Con might not be a feature. It is expected that this could launch as early as the summer.
The second, more expensive device will apparently have “enhanced features targeted at avid video gamers.” While details on this 'Pro' model haven't been released, one of the sources the WSJ has spoken to stated that it was more than just a simple revision, like the New Nintendo 3DS – so we could see a significant power boost.
This isn't the first time we've heard such rumblings; back in January, industry analysts suggested Nintendo could maintain the console's momentum with fresh hardware.
With E3 looming, we could find out about these new models in a few months – assuming that is when Nintendo chooses to announce them. In the meantime, let us know what you think of these rumours by posting a comment below.
[source theverge.com, via wsj.com]
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I think it'd make sense for them to do so. I expect the switch concept to be highly iterative.
So a handheld cheaper console for Pokémon fans and 8gb of memory to appease Capcom and Rockstar maybe?
I would like some more info on a pro model but until Nintendo announces something I’m sceptical
1. Nintendo HDS (Play Switch, 3DS & NDS)
2. Nintendo Switch MAX (Upgraded Switch)
New Super Switch Pro 64 capable of running Virtual Boy 2.0.
Nintendo Switch Cardboard Version incoming
I might be alone on this, and I don't think they'll do it, but I'd like to see one that has the 3DS's stereoscopic 3D. I still think that was pure genius, and feel like Luigi's Mansion 3 would hugely benefit from the same feel the previous entry and the rerelease of the first game have.
I for one had a hard time choosing between HD and 3D when games released on both HD platforms and the 3DS.
I hope that we can upgrade the 'normal' one into the 'better' one.
Gamepad for switch 🙃
I'd be highly pee'd off if a Pro Model comes out, especially if there are certain games that can only run on it like Xenoblade for the New 3DS.
I don't mind a revision if it's simply a case of larger screen, better battery life etc.
I love a warm cup of coffee on a Monday morning with 9 tablespoons of salt.
No thanks.
I pretty much 99.99% use the Switch in docked mode. Having the detachable joy-cons is great, because the controllers are always charged and I don't have to ever worry about it.
I may pick up Labo VR for a nice diversion, though.
I just hope there's no split sku's that make original Switch purchasers regret being early adopters.
Surely both would need to be able to play all Switch games so cant see the Pro being that much more powerful. Might have a bigger battery and better screen maybe.
Love rumors.
Filler text.
Switch was designed as a home console that can be played on the move, but even Nintendo were taken by surprise when it was being used more as a bulky handheld.
So a Switch Pro and a 3ds replacement is welcome, more so the Pro. But is the smaller Switch a replacement or a completely new handheld?
If Nintendo are dumpling the 3ds for a mini Switch this will be a bad move.
The new Nintendo unSwitch models are going to be a hit: a dedicated portable and a dedicated console. Their marketing campaigns will focus on the joys of removing the Switch's greatest feature.
@Shambo you're not alone. 3D was the best innovation for gaming ever. I liked Odyssey, but no where near as much as 3D Land. It was so easy to judge depth and distance in that game, you knew exactly when you were under a block, exactly when you were above an enemy etc. Odyssey had all of that taken away and the experience was hindered because of it. I can't tell you how often I died as a result of not being able to judge how far to jump etc.
Who really is going to be happy about shelling out another £300 for a Switch. It's not so bad when the resale value of the current Switch is so high but once the new models get announced expect your Switch value to drop dramatically.
I wish they’d concentrate on new software not new hardware. I’m perfectly happy with my Switch as it is!
I would be all over a more powerful version, something that could run BOTW in 1080p on the TV (or even better on the device itself) would be great.
@Scottwood101 yep, I miss 3D
I really wish you'd stop reporting rumours with misleading headlines, I know it says Rumour in the red box but that part doesn't stand out when reading headlines .
Whenever the subject of a "Budget Version" comes up, I always have to wonder "couldn't they just lower the price of the current model, while releasing a slightly upgraded model close to the current $300 price point." It's been out for 2 years now, and I imagine they could drop the price at this point and still make a profit. Either way, I'm not saying it's for sure not happening, but I am staying sceptical.
The rumour I heard was that Nintendo are not releasing any new Switch versions this year. My rumour is also unsubstantiated, but I’d put money on it.
But if WSJ can come up with some decent reasons as to why Nintendo would want to manufacture two new versions of a console (and all the R&D costs, tooling costs, and manufacturing costs) whilst they currently have the fastest selling console, then I’m all ears. And they could also explain why Nintendo would want to split their audience between those with motion-controllers and those without. But I guess the rumours generate enough clicks...
But. In that case. Nintendo need to allow us to have several switches linked to the same account. So you can have one for traveling/pocket version and one more of a home console.
But if I know Nintendo right. This won’t happen.
@Scottwood101 better batter is all I really care for
@Rodan2000
wish they'd focus on new software, not hardware
The two aren't mutually exclusive ya know. They can do both. And judging by the dozen 1st party exclusives dropping this year (seriously, it's a record for best Nintendo software year ever) I'd say they are focusing on software
They better.
There's a good handful of things that could be improved.
As long as they don't mess with the basic concept, and start splitting the userbase.
I hope they do an SKU that is just the tablet portion of the Switch without anything else so owners of the current hardware can essentially just do a "modular" upgrade...
a version without detachable joy-cons just sounds like such a bad idea. So many games that use them, things like Labo rely on them. It's just a recipe for confusion.
Homer: mmmmm, significant power boost.
I'm just hoping there is no "exclusives" and the current model can still play all future games.
As for the cheaper model, it could sell pretty well if the price is right. Consoles costs an arm and leg where i live so cheap models like the 2DS are pretty popular around here.
I hope this is true..1080p screen,less bezels and slightly more power is all it needs. I doubt it will get any exclusive games but developers could offer a performance/quality mode like Rocket League has,or rather Switch/Switch Pro mode.
A certain purchase from me.I'll give my Switch to my nephew.
I dunno, I think Switch is very good as it is. But sure, a deluxe version with identical performance but 64GB onboard memory, bigger battery and 1080p display would be nice. Most of all Id like to see aditional versions of joycons. Its very uncomfortable to play games that uses the right stick much, like shooters.
I like the idea of a pro
No way will they do away with the cash cow of the joy con. There's far too many ways they can milk them. I would buy an upgraded Switch day one, especially if it upgrades all current games.
I dislike these hardware revisions and “pro” models as it feels like a slap in the face to early adopters of the system and those that actually support the company from day one.
I miss the days when manufacturers would design and build a console, let it run its course and then move onto the next.
I guess we live in different times.
@mist Why? Your Switch is still working as fine as the day you got it. And they did exactly what you wrote: "design and build a console, let it run its course and then move onto the next."
Being angry about technology development is stupidly arrogant.
I really hope there's a pro version with front and back facing cameras. Soooo much AR potential.
I want a new Switch but why so soon? And the sales are so good right now.
@mist "I guess we live in different times"
I think that's exactly why things like this happen. It's so dynamic nowadays. Switch is already behind competition in terms of power. Not that I'm complaining about it but maybe they're trying to level up somehow. Although it sells like hot cakes and so do its games, Nintendo will want to give it the longest life they can
Now we all have Standard version.
In summer there'll be a demastered version and maybe by the end of the year a remastered one. Nothing new in the front
It would make sense to get a budget version out to begin replacing the 3DS and get a pro version out before Sony and Microsoft drop their next-gen bombs.
At Nintendo Headquarters
Nintendo Employee: The Switch Hardware sales are consistently on the top beating out the Xbox One and Playstation 4!
Nintendo Boss: Make two new hardware revisions to fracture that growing audience.
Nintendo Employee: Why would we do that?
Nintendo Boss: To finally shut up the rumor mills, not because it makes any business sense what so ever!
If the pro version is real, I would like to see 1440p with HDR support for docked and 1080p undocked, Bluetooth for audio and a ethernet port on the dock.
Been holding off buying a Switch until they revise the hardware: Gimme a Pro! (and a D-pad).
As long as I can still play all the games I already own, then id be all over a Switch Pro!
As long as there won't be any ''Switch Pro'' exclusives, like the new 3DS exclusives, I'm fine with it.
It'd make sense and a lot of people expect one or both, but all I am reading here are rumors and speculation.
I bought my Switch in the launch window. I think the budget version with fixed joycons is a good choice. I'm less impressed with the idea of a pro version this soon into the life cycle though.
I'd be up for a Switch Pro. BUT.
I wouldn't want for it to have any extra processing power.
That would suddenly put developers at FOUR target specs, where the Switch is already at two, and the whole point of consoles is that developers can target just ONE specification.
As long as all games will play on all systems.....
@Scottwood101 I’d buy the switch mini for myself and keep the regular switch for my kids.
End of March, and these things are now growing in number, on TOP of being foretold for this very year? The budget "Well, Switch, but actually not" for summer at that - when do they expect it to be announced? Yay, Nintendo Direct confirmed.
I won't even get started on the rumours conspicuously naming none of the sources they're speaking to and quoting. Were we to humour them, it totally wouldn't create an impression of said sources breaking massive loads of NDAs and folks like this WSJ guy effectively trying to drum up illegally obtained and spread information. ¯(ツ)/¯
I hope it won't happen this year. It's too soon. Next year will be too crowded with ps5 and Xbox 2. Maybe the year after as they will need to find a way to compete with Sony and Microsoft? And Google!
If a pro version is coming, then it sounds like something I'll buy next year with my tax refund. I may keep my original Switch, but I do feel like a chump for getting a second dock for it.
Three Switch models on the market at once just seems slightly strange, unless it's handled with real care. I hope Nintendo really has figured out a way to make this work and not confuse consumers. But I do think this could be an interesting way to release a simple all-in-one version of the Switch with no external Joy-Cons and stuff, which some people have expressed an interest in, alongside a more powerful version with a higher resolution and stuff like that, which would be ideal for compatibility with and improving the overall quality of experience of the upcoming Labo VR Kit. And, if it's going with three Switch models, I think now would probably be a good time to drop the 3DS too and just give consumers a single [three version] Switch console to work with.
Edit: Or maybe it will just be the two new models and Nintendo will slowly phase out the current Switch (maybe reducing the price ever so slightly to clear any remaining stock) and replace it with the Pro at the same [current] price.
If they give us a "Switch Low" capable of playing 3DS games and a "Switch Pro" with better resolution, better battery and Bluetooth Headset support I'll most probably buy both of them...
Edit: Well - account linking will be a problem I think...
@Alexface That's why it could happen this year. Or at least one new Switch model (the cheaper one).
However, I still don't believe these rumors. They have been denied by Nintendo multiple times (though that doesn't say much), but we've seen them since before the Switch was initially launched.
@impurekind They will discontinue the current Switch model, if this rumor is true. And yes, I also think the cheaper Switch will replace the 3DS on the market.
I"m really hoping that in addition to the "Switch Pro" they might also do a "Switch Dock Pro" or even a "Switch Box" that is a stand alone set top box that is non portable but has whatever beefed up processor will be in the new Switch. It would allow you to dock your Switch in it and take your games on the go, while allowing you to play newer games that may perform better with the new hardware. It would also work well for people who just want to leave their Switch at home and don't need it portable.
If the wall street journal keeps posting crap long enough it will come true eventually. God level journalism by them, hats off.
@DavidMac You mean like the PlayStation TV?
That won't work.
I’m highly skeptical that Nintendo would do this. None of the major games releasing for the Switch this year would require a hardware boost. Maybe Doom Eternal, but Nintendo wouldn’t attach a console upgrade to a 3rd party game.
I’m expecting a 2020 release for the Switch revision, showing off games like MP4, Bayonetta 3, and the next big Mario/Zelda game on the system. There is just no reason for it now in 2019.
@Klunk23 that's exactly what i'm hopeful for. give the regular switch for $199 and make a better, stronger version hit for $299. it makes so much sense.
So much for that article saying it's unlikely we'd get both versions. I can't wait to hear more about the Pro version. I'll most likely get it.
If I had to guess, the pro version has a 1080p resolution screen, and can record clips from any game, even SSBU and Hyrule Warriors DE. The resolution boost would be good for Labo VR, provided the actual size of the screen remains the same.
I only believe Nintendo would release a Pro model if PS5 and Xbox Scarlet launched this year, which I doubt either will be.
It would be kind of a bummer for me personally if new Switch revisions come out this summer, since I just got my Switch last month and definitely don't have the money to run out and buy an enhanced version, but I wouldn't feel too sore about them doing it either. I know there are some hardware issues with the Switch that need sorting, like analog stick drift, cracking casings and battery life, so if Nintendo wants to fix those and do some other upgrades in the process then that's a good thing for fans. I'd upgrade eventually, but probably not for at least a couple years.
@Jin15 Yeah, with people buying a new $1000 smartphone every year I don't see why a game console can't be updated more regularly.
Just as long as they keep the games backward and forward compatible.
@Scottwood101 You need to try some third person platformers in VR, like Lucky's Tale and Astro Bot Rescue Mission.
A significant power boost would be a tantilizing feature, but only if it benefits already released games without patching by the developers.
I remember when the New 3DS came and I was a bit excited for the possibility that we might see improved performance in games like Metal Gear Solid 3.
Alas, the game still runs equally awful on both the standard 3DS and N3DS; the developers have to tweak the games for the revised hardware.
So if the power boost doesn't result in noticeable improvements in games like Wolfenstein 2 and Doom out of the box, I'm not sure I'll pull the trigger.
-but Panic Button has so far been quite good at tweaking the games post launch, so I imagine they will be on it quite quickly by providing resolution bumps and performance tweaks, other devs might not be so... accomodating.
But it would be a golden opportunity to pass on my Switch to the wife.
-especially after Animal Crossing arrives, she'll be aching for a Switch of her own.
@Alexface Yeah but price point and portability will sell the Switch Pro. If they keep the Switch Pro around the 299.99 range then it will sell. The PS and Xbox will debut around 499.99 to 599.99 most likely.
@sanderev Yeah, that's possible too, and simply having a budget version and a revised/improved version of the current model would also work (so long as the "Pro" version isn't actually more expensive than the current model, which would be annoying for anyone who just wants a new full-feature Switch and suddenly has to pay more than the standard Switch has been selling for). For whatever reason though, I feel like all three might exist at once; maybe it's just the fact that they're calling the two new models the "Budget" and "Pro" versions in the article, which means you'll either get a cheaper version with cut features/functionality or a likely even more expensive model than the current Switch, so I expect the "Standard" version to sit alongside those models.
Edit: Or maybe it will just be the two new models and Nintendo will slowly phase out the current Switch (maybe reducing the price ever so slightly) and replace it with the Pro at the same [current] price.
Like I have been saying for a year now, there is literally zero chance the present Switch is what Nintendo depends on competing with in 2020/21/22. A more powerful Switch will sell like hot cakes, and they know it. Sure the base Switch will be here for 7 years or more but cheaper/smaller and also more powerful versions are a certainty.
If the core architecture is simple, slightly beefed up specs wouldn't strain developers. That's the genius of the x86 structure in current consoles unlike the PS3 or the Saturn.
I just hope for less screen bezel, better speakers Bluetooth audio support and better energy efficiency. A more portable dock would be great as well.
As long as they don't split the player base and we still get Nintendo first party and switch console exclusives on all iterations, no worries.
Another point is that LABO is aimed at younger gamers. Nintendo seems to be committed to LABO. A switch lite with non detachable joycons would be aimed at younger gamers. But the lite switch would not work with LABO.
More interested in the Pro, I am a Dock gamer so whatever upgrades within the system will be most appreciated as well as fixing those build issues some Switch owners has to keep the mind at ease. The budget one can wait but it'll enter the collection someday.
Be interesting to see how Sony and Microsoft will react this. Do they dare release their next consoles this holiday if planned or push back to a 2020 release so not to have the Switch models eat up their share of the pie? Sure the Switch won't be as powerful as those systems, but as we already know, the Switch is a hot seller regardless. New models for better performance or better portability might just be enough for gamers to double/triple drip or trade in their old Switch's.
@impurekind I think the Pro version will replace the current standard version (same price) and the budget version will be 100-50 dollar cheaper.
My launch Switch is starting to play up a bit, doesn't happen every time but when it's in sleep mode and I try to turn it back on I keep getting an error code. I have to turn it off with the power button to get it back on again.
No major issue but it does mean I have to keep getting up off the couch more often than I'd like when I want to use it. Also obviously if I've put it to sleep mid game then I lose my progress
Long story short I have been considering replacing it so would definitely be interested in a Pro version if such a thing were to release
@sanderev
No I mean like any console that ever hooked up to a tv.
@kuromantic I was thinking just that. The Playstation TV had that problem were you had to check if Vita games were compatible with that console.
A pro version with a bigger screen would be an insta-purchase for me. While the Switch's screen is hardly tiny (I grew up with the original GameBoy) my eyes would prefer something a bit bigger than what we have. An extra inch or so on the diagonal would make a big difference I think.
Half Life 3 confirmed
Well, as long as the next major Legend of Zelda entry can be played on the OG Switch, I’ll be happy - BotW was designed mostly with the WiiU in mind and so I really want a proper Switch LoZ that’ll take full advantage of the hardware. I’ve got three Switches and don’t really want to upgrade just for one game!
<Aura> If they call EITHER of these "new" I'm [REDACTED].
Stop naming things "new," Nintendo! It's bad! It completely jams up search engines, as does the whole "3DS" and "3DS XL" thing since here in the US, everything just wants to autocomplete to "3DS XL"!
My girlfriend has just started playing Stardew Valley on my Switch (damn Youtube Girlfriend Reviews), and so this would be a nice excuse for me to give her my Switch and get a shiny new one
Please let it be true!!!
I could see a few potential outcomes.
Maybe 2 budget models:
Nintendo Switch Handheld: A handheld only Switch a rumoured
Nintendo Switch TV: A TV only console with no built in Screen that requires a controller.
I would like a Pro version which is more comfortable to hold with better analogue sticks.
@sanderev Well--and I kinda hope this is the case--if the Pro version replaces the current model and is the same price then I'd be cool with that. And then the budget version can be there for anyone who isn't too bothered about having every single feature and just wants to get in on the Switch action at a more affordable price point.
The budget model sounds like a good idea. Especially with big handheld franchises making the jump this year. The 3DS is basically dead after Persona Q2, so it'll be a good way for a version of the Switch to take up the mantle of the 'budget handheld.'
I'm not super-excited about the idea of an even more expensive Pro version of the Switch, though. Sounds like a good way for the OG model to become irrelevant.
Unless it's mainly targeted at boosting performance when docked, in which case I can happily ignore it.
I would definitely welcome a pro version. Especially if it's more powerful and gets more third party games on board.
Budget I can see why they would go there, family gamers who don't play that often, those who want it as family time etc.
My only reservation is that would the pro version alientate the consumer? Say EA can get Battlefield V etc running on the pro, but not the standard Switch.... What happens here?
I understand people who want to upgrade and want the more powerful device would upgrade, but the lower income families who cant afford too, are they going to be left out?
Just like Xenoblade on New 3DS. They've done it before, so doesn't mean they wouldn't do it again.
Another rumor.
A Pro model would be welcome if it provided enough content. The New 3DS only has a handful of 3DS games that take advantage of the hardware. Modders have shown that SNES games can run perfectly fine on the 2DS and 3DS, so I would be very angry if Nintendo locked out some content arbitrarily behind a new console. “Only GameCube games can be played on the pro model”
@Crono1973 Yeah, but it's coming from particular sources, ones that have been reliable in the past, and has been repeated a few times now over the last X months (with only minor variations) that it's starting to sound like it could be legit. And, when you think about it (and realise it's not just some extremely implausible fan fantasy concept), it actually makes quite a lot of sense for Nintendo to go down this route at this point in time, which makes it seem even more plausible.
for the doubters: this rumor has been reported by major news publications in japan and america. it’s very likely they wouldn’t run a rumor unless it was true. secondly, a pro version is inevitable, and i think devs are already anticipating it. when you look at how poor games like daemon x machina play on the current model, or the sub-hd graphics of yoshi’s crafted world, it’s obvious that devs have their sights not on improving graphics for the current model, but opening up the resolution once there’s more horsepower. crafted world in particular seems odiously under-optimized. similarly, i don’t think doom eternal would be coming to the system unless there was a guaranteed way to play it at higher quality.
@May_Nyan I think the word Rumour stands out pretty clearly in the headline.
And what's exactly misleading? The rumour is about two new Switch models. That's exactly what the headline says
It's inevitable for both but E3 won't be the place to talk about it. They will shadow drop news of it like they did with the 3ds xl after E3. They don't want to talk about anything that will curb the momentum of the current system and I don't blame them.
When your single SKU hardware is selling well against a competitor’s multiple SKU hardware, the best business decision is to launch more SKU versions with distinct differences. Right?
When I make some amazing spaghetti, I often think it would be better if I made two little piles on my plate. One pile would get some parm added, and the other would be congealed together so it’s a solid pile.
I saw that recipe in WSJ, too.
@trakkerx However it could potentially be as powerful in handheld as the current one is in docked. Would make for an easy transition for software because the game would just act as if it were docked.
Preparing my wallet for a Pro version.
@NintendoFan4Lyf
Would maybe work if they enhanced a new Switch model w/ thunderbolt over the USB C for the bandwith. More realistic would be a regular dock but with a low-power imaging chip that could scale up all Switch-material to 2160p and adding "free" anti-aliasing for docked Switch-games before they go out to the tv over the hdmi, wich would remove some of the ugly multiple upscaling artifacts of games that runs under 1080p native on Switch (upscales first to 1080p in the Switch, then to 4K on your tv and leaves extra ugly artifacts).
Until Nintendo themselves say anything about it, I'm taking this with a grain of salt.
So the avid gamer needs more power ?
Makes absolutly sense! Why lower the price on the current model, if you can release a new model, which would have nothing to do with the "switch" concept and would basically be an enhanced GBA.🙄
I don't believe this rumor. If Nintendo is developing new SKUs, they'll be nothing like anyone can predict. That's how they roll. Like my current iteration of the Switch, so unless a new one comes with the ability to run Fallout 3, New Vegas, the Dragon Age trilogy, and a version of Soul Calibur, I probably won't care for years.
@Bondi_Surfer the rumours are based on SKU used by retail stores iirc...
... but then again wouldn't stuff like themed(such as zelda- themed dock) consoles or bundles generate SKUs too though?
Like i'm wondering if there's someone at that journal who saw "new skus for Switch consoles!" and immediately jumped to conclusion not thinking it might be a bundle.
@Illusion could new SKUs actually apply to merely new bundles instead of a new console model btw?
I've been curious about that because it'd be ironic if someone went "new switch console model!" and it's instead it's just a Switch+Mario Maker 2 bundle
I’d like a 1080p screen but the same size (which I doubt would happen) and 4K docked gaming which sounds plausible. If the Switch insides upgraded ram and processors would that cause an issue for current games? I’m guessing not. But it’s going down the PS4 pro route where we’ll get games with Pro only features. I’m not fussed because I would honestly upgrade. I’d be happy with the lite model for taking out of the house though. I don’t need detachable joy con or hd rumble when i’m Travelling because sometimes that thing goes nuts and just feels weird. Really loud, long unnecessary buzzes.
@erv Don't expect exclusive pro only games though because that won't happen. Nintendo is smart enough not to splinter the user base after the failure of new 3DS exclusives.
I WANT a pokemon themed switch mini. I would buy 2; one for me and one for the wife, but they would have to be more like the 3DS variants not just unique joycon colors. And of course I will buy 2 pro versions on day one. This is perfect timing for me; with Google Stadia coming this year I no longer plan to buy a Xbox or updating my gaming PC, so more money for Nintendo my drug of choice...
@NintendoFan4Lyf lol you upgraded to ps4 pro and xbox one x and are willing to buy a switch pro but somehow a performance spec pc is too expensive? for the sum total of all three you could have a pretty nice gaming desktop.
@kuromantic
I mean, you basically said it all but came to the opposite conclusion from me. Every game will be compatible with an extra purchase (joy-con set), but the tradeoff is a very portable 3DS successor with Pokemon to kick it off. This is good for Nintendo and gamers still attached to their 3DS. Gamers can buy in without the Joy-con until they feel the need, and Nintendo transitions away from 3DS, gets probably the same amount — probably more — money out of these new customers.
This would be great to have both. I'm pretty skeptical, but I think I've been guessing smaller-portable version at end of 2019 since close to launch (with the faint hope of end of 2018 so we could get pro in 2019). Getting both this year would be amazing for me, personally. Hope there is some truth to this.
@Ludovsky makes sense to me.
Now with Super Mario Bros/duckhunt, zapper, and two controllers! 😋
@Ludovsky It seems legit. That Dr Serkan Toto is talking about it on Twitter and he knows his stuff. It looks like 2 new models, very different to what we'd expect and they will be revealed at E3.
@NintendoFan4Lyf
Im happy with original Switch as well. But Id probably buy an Pro-model anyways if it costs max 349.99 and adds a bit bigger 1080p display, better battery and some more onboard storage. If it also had a thunderbolt usb C, maybe they could add function to use external HDD to the dock. But I dunno if it would really work with the tegra chip, if it have enouch data busses to handle 3 storage solutions, eMMc, SD and HDD. I doubt it.
I’d be upset if they released an upgraded version that could play games that the regular version couldn’t, but I don’t know what the point of an upgraded version would be if that wasn’t that goal of it
I didn’t think people here even cared about 1080p but there are some comments in here talking 4K. My mind is blown.
A lot of people are missing the fact that the Switch doesn't even compete with Sony or Xbox. A lot of people own a PS4 and a Switch.
Trying to stay ahead of the PS5 or Xbox 4 won't do them any good. It could actually hurt worse since people will spend their money on a new PS5 or whatever instead of buying another version of a system they already have.
And I'm Nintendo only.
Edit: the source of the rumor is new SKUs? Well that is really dumb. New models are:
Pokemon bundle, and Animal Crossing bundle. Maybe a Fire Emblem model for the "core gamers". (Nintendo has a section on their site for core gamers: https://www.nintendo.com/games/nintendo-switch-games-for-core-gamers )
@sixrings they don’t unless Nintendo does it.
I don’t want a new Switch. I’m not buying Red Dead 2 on it because it will still be behind all the other versions. I want new games. Not ports. Not HD sequels that add a coat of paint.
If they release a cheaper version with a handheld focus, I reckon it'd be released around the same time as Pokémon Sword and Shield, like the 2DS was with X and Y. It'd be a strong competitor for the Christmas period
This is nothing more than rumor and wishes from Wall Street investors, and when exactly did Nintendo listen to them last?
The Switch Jr doesn't make sense, as the selling point of the console is the portability + Joy Cons. Remove the Joy Cons from the system and you have broken table top and home screen play. There is a fairly large couch co-op library that becomes non-functional, and I don't see Nintendo confusing things like that.
The Switch Pro could make sense, but again what do you gain for the market confusion. 1080p in handheld mode doesn't really matter on a screen that small, there already are too many games that have nearly impossible to read text in handheld mode. And 4K gaming doesn't make much sense historically for Nintendo. Remember they were the ones that held out an entire generation on HD because there wasn't enough market penetration for HD at the time.
I hope it isn't true as this will just confuse the general public and the Switch is still selling well after 2 years. The marketing is perfect so far.
I can see them updating the units internally which reduces costs etc... But I'd rather they wait til Switch 2 to improve the rest in a few years. At least see what PS5 and the next XBox bring before updating the hardware.
The Pro version would probably end up like the "New" 3DS, where it was effectively a Xenoblade Chronicles device. You'll get enhancements in games, but likely get very few games that are exclusive to it.
@dazzleshell i imagine a full blooded switch 2 will arrive after ps5 and xbox two. the first switch succeeded by making a calculated counterprogramming move. they’ll need to do the same thing again.
The "new" 3DS exclusives were few so don't really see the point in complaining about that even if the pro model is real. I would upgrade if the pro model increases handheld mode battery life substantially otherwise I'm good with my OG Switch.
@Arcamenel ...the reminds new how the Nintendo DS "lite" was basically exactly what you're describing.
Same strenght, improved battery tech.
Switch DEMAKE & Switch DELUXE
I honestly hate that “pro” branding thrown around these days. And “season pass”. Ugh.
I do like the “lite” branding though... (i.e. DS Lite)
I’d rather see something like Switch Lite or Switch + or something. Just don’t use Pro, pretty much, and we’re good.
Now, with all that said and done, don’t expect me to buy the “pro” version. I don’t see any reason to upgrade at this point. I just got my system 2 years ago for Xmas. How can I justify saying, “hey, babe so... remember that awesome gift you got me for Xmas? Yeah, there’s a better one now....”
I’m perfectly content with my switch so I’d probably even pass up a “lite” version. But, the lite version may be tempting as a dedicated portable switch. As it is now, the 3DS slaughters the switch as far as portability. I hate the idea of a non-clamshell thing being tossed around in my bag. The 3ds can even go in my pocket! Give me a pocketable switch and then we can talk about “upgrading.”
My switch seems like it's falling to pieces.
Hang in there buddy!
I'd be all over Pro in theory, but will wait and see because that's all we can really do at this point anyway.
@MARATXXX Even for about 800 you could build a PC that will play new games on high/ultra at 1080p.
I wouldn’t be opposed to buying another Switch in a dock less bundle for a moderate price adjustment. Otherwise I think a version that doesn’t have removable Joy-Con is against Nintendo’s view for Switch.
I mean, it's obvious something like this is gonna happen. The 3DS is nearing the end (if it hasn't already), and Playstation/Xbox will likely reveal their next consoles soon (if they even are traditional consoles). Both of those things make sense to throw out new models aimed at different audiences. It's gonna happen — it's not like revising hardware is anything new for Nintendo, especially for a portable console.
@NintendoFan4Lyf I don't mean this in a rude way - because it appears you also acknowledge this - but the issue isn't really with PC gaming then, but rather your own obsession. I've been a PC / Nintendo only gamer pretty much since the beginning of gaming. I used to be just like you, and built a new PC every other year.
I still have that urge, but my current PC is 6 years old (Intel 4770K w/GTX 1080). I originally built it with a GTX 780, and this was the first time I've every upgraded vs. buying new. We're not seeing the huge leaps in performance that we used to. I still play most games maxed at 1440p, and my CPU (OC'd to 4.0ghz) is just now becoming a bottleneck. You could have a very nice gaming PC for less than $1000 that would last you for quite some time. If you're obsessed with the best... then yikes - you're in trouble, when it comes to PC gaming =)
They’ll need something cheap for Pokémon and Animal Crossing fans.
Assuming this Pro version improves performance in AAA games, I will preorder one. A cheaper portable only unit seems pointless. The Switch is already pretty cheap and I would be giving my normal unit to a family member.
You’re not alone, @Shambo! I was (and still am) a huge advocate of the stereoscopic 3D feature on 3DS. In fact, from the several thousand hours spent playing my old 3DS, I don’t think I ever once played it without the slider at least halfway up.
Admittedly not all games made the most of the systems trademark 3D capability, but the likes of Super Mario 3D Land, A Link Between Worlds, Luigi’s Mansion 2 and the brilliant Pullblox (Pushmo) showed how stereoscopic 3D could add tangible value to the experience, while vastly improving player immersion. My first experience of the 3DS was the timeless Ocarina of Time, and those early moments where I felt like I could reach through that tiny screen and touch the farthest corners of Hyrule remain some of my fondest gaming memories.
If Nintendo do indeed launch a new and improved Switch model, I’ll upgrade either way, but if in the unlikely event that it were to include 3D capabilities, like you, I’d be over the moon. Especially if it were to launch alongside Luigi’s Mansion 3.
As long as they don’t make games exclusive to any model, I’m all for it. Fragmenting the player base is never a good idea.
@NintendoFan4Lyf It was clear to me, I just wanted to chime in for others considering PC gaming, but put off by the high costs. Luckily, my obsession is a bit more manageable =P For me, I absolutely can't stand when frame rate drops below about 60 or so, with 80-90 being my sweet spot. Low details don't bother me too much, but frame rate better be 60+. I don't know why I am so sensitive to it, but it's to the point where even masterpieces like Breath of the Wild actively bothered & distracted me. Perhaps it is because my roots are in PC games.
That said, if Nintendo were to release a "Pro" version of Switch that would help with frame rates, especially in hand held mode, I fear I would be obligated to purchase.
It's absolutely certain Nintendo are working on hardware research. But even if they've prototyped a Switch Mini or a Switch Pro, it doesn't mean they will ever be released. One of their main considerations will be whether to iterate the Switch hardware or just be working towards the next generation.
I'm so excited to have hiher frame rates! I really hope it even increases frame rates on older games, without the need for a patch, like boost mode on PS4 pro! Games like Yonder run so close to 60fps, I would be great to see it at 60fps in portable and docked mode!
Hopefully, it's
Switch Mini with built-in JoyCon, smaller footprint, lower cost. Only problem with that would be it might not fit the existing dock and thus wouldn't really be a Switch
Switch Max/Pro with larger (glass) screen in same size (smaller bezels), maybe more RAM and built-in storage, bundled with a new Pro controller that has a headphone jack.
Other than that I wouldn't expect that many changes, especially if all three versions are going to be able to play the same games (which I certainly hope would be the case)
I would love to have a more powerful switch because then KH3 actually has a chance of coming to switch. And if they will release KH3 they might also release KH A story so far. Those games would make me buy a switch
Maybe it will be something like a bigger battery, slightly better screens and slightly improved graphics. Maybe digital only? In any case, I don't think it will be enough to warrant an upgrade based on graphics alone (as we saw with MS and Sony).
"This means KH3 and Monster hunter World, etc on the Switch!"
Not necessarily... it depends. If those games can't run on the OG/weaker Switch, and are only for the pro model, then they'd only be targeting a potentially very small market of gamers. Might end up not being worth the investment to publishers.
"...one of the sources the WSJ has spoken to stated that it was more than just a simple revision, like the New Nintendo 3DS – so we could see a significant power boost."
This isn't at all what the WSJ article said.
It said not to expect a PS4 Pro i.e. a normal power upgrade.
@Scottwood101 it's best to get rid as soon as it's announced before the trade in prices fall then there is the pain of transferring the saves over to the cloud too so a subscription is needed for that process also.
i'm interested in the pro model but let's see if the rumours are true first.
If they do a pro version they are going to have to come out with a special edition one that gets me to buy it probably. That's what got me to upgrade to the new 3DS XL when I got the majora's mask edition.
a more powerful console just means more games imho so I'm all for it if done properly
This is a RUMOUR, and the idea is STUPID. The entire concept of a "home console on the go" would be throw off the board, and they would divide their audience. They did it with the 3DS, and it didn't work.
This isn't news, it's fake hype to get clicks. Stop recycling this topic.
Fake news. I don't think that Nintendo has any intention on bringing out new versions of the Switch just yet. Next year at the earliest and then probably only a cheaper version in order to compete with the PS4 and Xbox One, which will get a price cut when their successors will launch.
If there are new Switch systems coming, at the very least include two microSD card slots and two kickstands this time. If the pro model is more powerful enough to run games like Resident Evil 2 remake, Sekiro, and Kingdom Hearts 3, having 2 microSD card slots and a 100gb internal storage would be a nice start. If the pro model had its own games like the New 3DS, it better shows it in the performance and I expect at least one new feature for it that is not on the original. I probably wouldn't bother with the cheaper model unless it is cheap enough and had a game bundle with it such as Super Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild.
@kuromantic Most likely you can connect joycons and other controllers wirelessly but the joycons on the unit would not be removable. So no detachable joycons would be the more accurate term.
@NintendoFan4Lyf from my point of view, it seems like youve replaced one habit with three. personally am happy with my laptop and switch-and plan to upgrade the switch long before the laptop.
@LloydWhiteV it’s now been vetted by credible sources at the manufacturing level. wall street journal doesn’t publish unsourced rumors. it’s the truth.
2 years after launch feels pretty soon tbh
@Peterjr1 it will be nearly three years
Consoles, and handhelds have almost completely lost many major advantages over a pc, namely that once I purchase a console, it plays all games made for it, for its entire lifespan. By comparison, a pc can be upgraded, & it can be advantageous to do so until the hardware eventually dies, and requires overall replacement.
I know that Nintendo has in the past had multiple revisions of its hardware, but it's not a wise idea to make new hardware, that has exclusivity to certain titles the standard model does not.
Obviously the Switch Pro will use Max-Q design and run a custom 1080ti solution from Nvidia, since the 2080 RTX is out the 10-series is old news. This way the Switch will outpower both Sony and Microsoft until they unveil their next generation.
More likely a new Switch SKU would just be a different color shell and joycons. I don't expect any radical changes. A budget option seems likely eventually, but improving processing performance would be difficult to do. That would change the fundamental chipset which would increase cost quite a bit.
@KingdomHeartsFan There are certain rendering processes that can be added without rewriting the game. Anti-aliasing, draw distance, pop-in (particularly bad in BotW), higher resolution, higher framerate, and a number of other benefits can be added with beefier hardware. These don't fundamentally change how a game plays. A small patch can add the features and would be able to identify by the model running the software whether or not to use the enhancements. It's essentially like changing visual settings on PC, but hard coded and as shown by PS4 and Xbox1 there would be settings to disable such enhancements. It wouldn't be very different from the hardware revisions of every other console. As long as there is wireless connectivity every controller can be used, and if there are non-detachable controllers every control scheme is still present.
@kuromantic How did you manage to play online games on the Wii Mini back in the day...?
@Krazzar There's nothing "obvious" about this.
@Shambo I agree! The (New) 3DS is a very cool handheld console and the stereoscopic 3D is amazing. I wonder if the "light" Switch will be more similar to 3DS. They can try but the stereoscopic 3D will still be missed. I am thinking if the "light" model has controls built in it will be more like a Vita.
I hope not really don't want to waste money rebuying the same thing I already own lol why not use the resources and make more games instead of making these?
@WOLF13 There is some benefit to more power. The Switch has a poor ability to process visual content. When I use outside image processing via my projector post-processing effects and a Darby 5000s the effect is quite striking compared to the vanilla image. Perceived depth, color representation, contrast, and sharpness are lacking with the vanilla Switch image. The Cemu crowd demonstrates this neatly with some of their videos showing enhancements more power can provide without fundamentally changing the game.
I think a "pro" model would be the worst idea. It would divide their market and force developers to choose one version of the Switch over another. Why would Nintendo want to do that when they are just now getting 3rd party developers on board for the first time in years?
This sound all nice and good. But I am more interested in a revision of the joy-cons, that do not have any drifting or connection issues.
I hope Nintendo will release some new and improved joy-cons, when the new Switch hardware lands in stores.
@kuromantic Poor wording. I apologise. The Wii had an extensive online store, for its day. The Wii Mini made the exclusive online games inaccessible. Not only removing online functionality, but also removing the SD card slot, which could have otherwise been used to transfer games onto the console somehow.
I was merely pointing out the idea that Nintendo wouldn't make a console which would make their own games incompatible doesn't take history into account. The Wii Mini I'm sure filled a corner of the market at a time when the Wii U was already out, so I don't necessarily fault them for that.
Also, not having removable joycons on the console itself doesn't mean you couldn't buy joycons or some alternative later, supposing Bluetooth connectivity would still be included, which of course is not a given.
I just don't know if a Switch Pro would sell enough for devs to develop with that in mind. Perhaps they would go down the route Nintendo took when making Breath of the Wild for the Wii U (Vs the Switch) for Switch vs Switch Pro. Games will run and be playable on the Switch, but will run much smoother and better on the Switch Pro. More so though because many more people are likely to buy the game on Switch than own Breath of the Wild on the Wii U.
These rumors again huh? It's fun to speculate, but I'll believe this when I see/hear about it officially. I'm guessing we'll hear something at E3 if there's some truth to this.
mmhmm sure.... when has this ever happened especially with a console selling this good.
Kill the 3DS, make this switch mini able to play 3DS games (if possible) have no detachable joy-con, but with joy-con support for multiplayer games, sell a small dock seperately and the only issue would be that it's not compatible with LABO. It should be £190 and be revealed at E3. At least that's my idea.
I think it will be a budget version for when pokemon comes out for younger players and the pro version will just have bigger screens and better battery life. Same specs across all versions tho. I dont expect a massive change cause otherwise labo will not work with the newer models
How does a mini switch fit into a dock or into labo? And then there are the joy cons labo uses and games like Mario party uses. Why not just release a switch without a dock $100 cheaper and then if people want tv mode they go and buy a dock?!
Apart from more onboard storage memory I don't see the need for a revision already. But sure, a budget model for kids (no detachable stuff etc) makes sense, even though it's not interesting for me personally.
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I personally prefer Nintendo to release the Switch mini in 2019 and have the Pro model to be released in 2020 but if they're going to release both in 2019, that's okay with me as long as Nintendo finds a way to make sure that the two models don't clash with each other
@jcvandan
If it could run Zelda at an ACTUAL 30fps constant it'd be a day one buy. Hell i'd pay $600 for a 60fps capable version.
Release a Pro model, offer in in white, and it'll make my year. The wait would've well been worth it.
For anyone who understands the nature of non-denial denials Reggie’s statement a few months back about their focus on Switch “as it currently exists, with removable joycon and all the other features” basically confirmed the existence of a model without those attributes. To me that sounds like a simpler and less costly to manufacture, more robust (vent/fan free, passively cooled?) device that will supplant the 3ds as Nintendo’s entry level device on the market.
As for the “Pro” I think it would actually be very wise to offer a higher spec device for those that want one. It might tick some people off but if it allows more of the newest games to come to the platform at least they have a device on the market so that people interested in those games don’t have to go to one of their competitors for them. And they would still have the value add of portability.
Even if they do nothing to upgrade the specs it should be obvious to anyone here who’s been around a while that the Switch was always going to get a redesign that makes us all wonder how anyone but it’s own mother thought it ever looked nice. I’m actually fond of the original DS Phat looks wise but at the time the Lite made it look like a beta product. And I’d actually say the Switch shares more in common with the E3 prototype DS’s than the phat anyways.
That’s rather harsh but it is rather obvious that they designed it to a pricepint while allowing for wiggle room to later release a sleak more refined design that keeps the same joycon rail and overall size for existing docks and accessories.
I mean probably the second or third time I looked at it I saw those bezels for what they were, room for a bigger screen in a “New” Switch. The kickstand that hopefully turns into something closer to whats Microsoft Surface has than a McDonald’s toy. Heck along those lines maybe even an aluminum shell. Again maybe a sealed design with passive cooling. This is probably only be possible if they stick to the current specs though. A glass screen.
The switch is a great product and my kid loves his but going off history we’re due for a Nintendo portable redesign and these rumors point to it probably happening sooner than later. The DS Lite I think was released around April...
I could see them potentially replacing HD Rumble with just a "rumbling sound" that the console makes instead of actually rumbling. Could potentially be like a dedicated little speaker that only does the rumbling sound, would probably still be much cheaper to produce than the actual HD Rumble component.
The Wall Street Journal reports crap like this all year long, it's always the same news with different words. They also reported the Zelda series coming to Netflix, the Zelda mobile game, and the NX playing mobile games. Instead of writing an article about a rumour, you should do one detailing how many times TWSJ got things wrong.
WSJ suggests that Nintendo will remove the HD Rumble in the Switch Mini, which makes sense from a cost-saving perspective as HD Rumble tech (i.e. 20 tiny rumble motors in each JoyCon) is quite expensive.
But nothing suggests that the idea of detachable JoyCons themselves have been removed from the Switch Mini, as this article seems to suggest. Simply replacing HD Rumble with normal non-HD rumble would do a lot to reduce costs.
Seems like there's some reaching here...
Until this rumor I had dismissed that Nintendo would be releasing anything other than just a more economic model. If true, I'm on board for picking up a pro model. If it upscales or improves frame time it'll be a big welcome change for me. Digital Foundry speculated on this some time ago stating that it would likely use a Tegra 2 processor that would enable 4K in some instances and a more stable 1080p/60fps in others.
@westman98 I believe they are going off of past WSJ articles on a revised Switch from earlier this year and or October of last year. This article itself doesn't mention anything like that.
But yes, removing the HD Rumble and joy-con batteries alone will help cut costs. The new Switch "mini" would likely still work with existing docks, and likely pair with other joy-con, you just wouldn't be able to attach them to the console itself to charge.
@DanElectrode I would wager if there is no HD Rumble that there is no rumble at all. It would make the console cheaper and in line with the 3DS and 2DS that don't have the feature either. This would also extend the battery runtime.
@Nico07
Yeah, I could see Nintendo removing the JoyCons from the Switch Mini, but it isn't a guarantee, even if it is likely.
The WSJ source says that the Switch Pro won't merely be a power upgrade like the PS4 Pro and that the Switch Mini won't merely be a cheap handheld alternative like the PS Vita, which is why I maintain the possibility that Nintendo won't completely remove key features like the JoyCons from the Switch Mini just to satisfy the conditions of being a "pure" handheld device.
@Nico07 4k is still pretty far from being standard so I doubt it will be anything beyond 1080p.
@eSocrates They won't make games exclusive to a pro version it would make too many people angry, and alienate their entire user base. Expect a Switch 2.0 when PS5 and Scarlett drop in 2021.
@Nico07 But to the point that Alex makes in the video, there are parts of first-party games that rely on HD rumble, e.g. Power Moons in Mario Odyssey that you can only find by "feeling" the HD rumble. There are also several mini-games in 1-2-Switch that would be unplayable if they just took out HD rumble without replacing it in any way.
Some kind of audio indicator seems like it'd be the easiest way to implement that without any moving parts or having to modify a bunch of games to be playable on a system without HD Rumble, is what I was saying. Alternately they could add a series of LEDs that would light up in lieu of rumbling, kind of like a Richter scale HUD.
My opinion is that is it way too earlier to release new switch versions and they should wait until the current switch loses momentum before releasing new ones.
@Jokerwolf Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything less from Nintendo than ignoring the latest resolution upgrade until a full generation after all the other console makers adopt it (which is find with me, I have no intention of buying a 4K TV any time soon).
I'm really not sure I see the point of a 'Switch Pro' what would it do?
You could perhaps improve the quality of the screen maybe oled or something along those lines, and bump up the onboard storage but other than that what else could you do apart from upping the specs in terms of ram and processor but then you are creating that divide and creating a scenario like with the new 3ds which got about what 2/3 actually tailored games?
Can't trust buying a machine if a new one is going to launch that quickly. It feels like the world is getting the sega syndrome. Consoles and announcements are flying left and right. Need games; not consoles. That is Nintendo's strongpoint. We need to keep the 8 year average console life going. Pro versions of the same console are a bit annoying. Same thing with just a system bump to give a frame or resolution advantage, microphone, etc.
Only thing i can imagine is, that the small Switch version is aimed at the mobile phone game market.
Maybe mainly intended for the chinese market.
Mobile games are huge there and Nintendo apparently develops more and more games for smart phones.
That would also fit with rumors, i read about, that Nintendo actually plans to release their own gaming smartphone in asia.
Will be interesting to see what the Pro version will look like.
@Jokerwolf 4K is not as difficult to produce as you would think, it would obviously vary from game to game. Here are a few examples. Obviously not all titles would be able to support it such as Breath of the Wild. Breath of the Wild on Switch runs at around 900p and approximately 30fps. So a new Switch "Pro" using a TegraX2 (from some rumors) would likely be capable of running that game at 1080p/30 or maybe an unstable 60fps. Snipperclips would likely run at 4K, Mario Kart could potentially have a 4K 30fps mode as it already runs at 1080p/60. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 would be another title that would likely hit 1080p 30fps or potentially up to 60. New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe or even Super Mario Maker 2 could run at 4K 60fps.
So like the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X (no I'm not saying a Switch Pro would be as powerful), but individual games would vary but some titles would be able to scale up to 4K 60fps should the console have a dock with HDMI 2.0 and not just 1.4 (which would limit any max output to 4K/30fps). Again these are just rumors until Nintendo announces their official plans, I'm just speculating what the actual performance could be if a Switch Pro were to use the TegraX2 processor.
Sure.. I’d pick up a Super Switch.. but.. make it awesome and for the love of God give me amazing games! Loving the pro nindie vibe but nostalgia for new old school games can only go so far.. I want new top end games yo! I also want F-Zero GX 2!
My Switch Pro Priorities (in order of preference)
1-Bluetooth headphone compatibility
2-Bigger screen by ditching bezels
3-Faster Processor/More RAM
4-64GB onboard storage (I don't mind buying an SD card, but I can't put save files on that and my internal is almost completely full with save files)
I understand that others want 4K support, but that's doesn't appeal to me. If they add that that's fine, but if they don't it won't bother me personally at all.
@Morph @molkom
Removing the detachable joycons for the cheaper model would be stupid on Nintendo's part as they are planning to launch Labo VR and with no way to detach joycons, putting that thing in Labo VR will not function properly as the detachable joycons are required for the experience like being the trigger for the gun or a snap button for a camera. If Nintendo really want the kids to buy Labo VR they must not release the cheaper model.
@NintonicGamer why wait until it loses momentum? Why not jump in to help build even more momentum? Get WAY more people buying the console so even more 3rd parties make even more games for the system.
If the Pro version is true I'll buy it and sell my launch day Switch and it'll get a Switch in the hands of someone else that can buy games as well.
I do not think it's viable. I mean, switch has been released after current gen consoles (PS4, XBONE), and now, this iteration would be released before next gen? That being said, I would love to have bluetooth headphone support
The Pro version makes complete sense if Nintendo want multi platform games to come to their system when the next generation of consoles from Sony and Microsoft launch. The current switch will look increasingly like a kids toy console when PS5 and Nextbox launch. We don't want to be back in the era of having Petz and Just Dance as the only third party releases outside of the indies! Nintendo must have plans to manage the generation shift from the other platforms.
@thiswaynow So the new version could play multiplatform games but the current Switch will not? That is not going to work at all.
In this case the Current Switch will die with only a lifespan of 2-3 years because people will want the Switch that can actually run games.
Said it before - a cheaper mobile switch doesn't stack up. I don't think there is enough cost saving in making the device with built in controllers... You also effectively lose docked mode.
The opposite makes sense though - "console-only" switch. No screen, dock and unit in one. Ship with a pro controller.
"Console only", "Switch" & "SwitchDX" sound like a plausible lineup to me.
I’m a simple man....just give me the option to add wallpaper/themes to the home screen or change the color. Also the ability to use Bluetooth headphones. Add more icons also. Is that too much to ask for Nintendo?
@Medic_alert Like I said most Switch games would better reach 1080p with a Tegra X2 but there would be a few likely capable of 4K at reduced frame rates. 2D Mario titles and Snipperclips would be prime examples of titles that could likely hit 4K. As you mentioned many titles on Xbox One X and PS4 Pro only hit 1400 or 1800 while there are some 3D titles that do in fact reach 2160 (4K) though most don't. For the Switch "Pro" most titles would fall in the 1080p 60fps or 1080p 30fps range. Again my assumptions are all that it would be using a Tegra X2. I've heard other rumors from other locations claiming that Nintendo of America employees with inside information shared that the Switch Pro this year would not use the Tegra X2 but be a slight performance boost only and that the Tegra X2 model would launch instead around the Sony PS5 launch.
Take all of this with a grain (or a heaping pile) of salt as these are all what if scenarios that may or not play out. I'm only starting that if they use the Tegra X2 4K is achievable on some select titles while 1080p or even a slight enhancement on that is also possible.
@KingdomHeartsFan We could but like all forms of media they knew who to point the fingers to so they'll never take the blame.
@KingdomHeartsFan That's kind of an absurd position. I doubt the Wall Street Journal is just inventing things whole cloth. If they report a rumor why not assume it's in good faith because they have sources telling them these things are in the works?
If Nintendo subsequently decides to kibosh the idea and changes course, the Wall Street Journal and/or Nintendolife have no control over that. Companies plan new products for years before ultimately deciding not to release them all the time, that doesn't mean the journalists who reported on the plans before the company changed course are a "pack of liars."
Blaming people being rude to each other in the comments section on the journalist for reporting interesting information instead of blaming the individuals who are being rude is silly.
@KingdomHeartsFan So is you being rude and unreasonable the fault of the Wall Street Journal too?
@KingdomHeartsFan Why did Nintendo make so many iterations of the 3DS? None of that made sense. I mean, a version of the 3DS that doesn't do 3D? What's the point since 3D is two-thirds of the name and it cuts out an important system-selling feature? How about the XL, New 3DS, various themed skins, and so on. Who would pay for a slightly larger 3DS, or a slightly faster 3DS, or a 3DS that doesn't fold, or a 3DS that doesn't do 3D, or a 3DS with a Mario Maker skin? Turns out a lot of people did and some bought more than two units. Seems like making iterations of a platform is Nintendo after all.
@NintendoFan4Lyf You forgot to factor in internet access cost and backward compatibility. PC does not have any subscription to use the internet you already pay for. My oldest game installed on my PC is from 1996, PS4 and Xbox is limited to some titles from one generation back. With PC you don't have to upgrade or buy a new system either, if you're fine with console-level graphics you don't have to replace a decent system for about 12 years, and even then you can find a purpose for the system (it still plays almost all the games you have). Consoles are cheaper in the short run but they don't have the performance or longevity. That doesn't mean they are worthless, but your valuation was a bit off.
@MarkieMAN64 Except humor.
@KingdomHeartsFan There doesn’t have to be any core functionality missing. HD rumble or any rumble is a battery-saver that isn't core, just like 3D was dumped on the 2DS. Permanent joycons don't negate the design and for the odd game that does require detached joycons another set of joycons fixes that, but then again a smaller, more portable Switch aimed at kids logically wouldn't be the choice for adult-oriented party games. There's no reason a smaller Switch with permanent joycons couldn't be docked, it requires a USB-C port. These are minor design changes that would retain functionality. You make it sound like we're comparing an original Switch with a Gameboy Color. Nintendo can handle these low technical hurdles, especially since new versions of a Switch would only exist to get different kinds of people to experience Switch games (kids on the go and new features for more discerning players). You're still trying to shoehorn faulty logic by using the wrong playbook. If you have a Switch a different Switch version is not designed for you.
@Krazzar Not sure what this reply is in reference to, sorry.
@KingdomHeartsFan As already mentioned in my first comment, accessories make up for any lost functionality. Need HD rumble, or detachable joycons? Get an extra set. What do you mean "how would you charge them? ". The same way we all charge extra joycons, with the Nintendo, or myriad of aftermarket charging stands. A kids unit would be by design limited, any edge-case where HD rumble is required is justified by a lower cost that allows that individual to play Switch games in the first place. I have about 40 titles on Switch and I can't think of a single one that regularly requires HD rumble. HD rumble, or any rumble at all, is not required for the majority of games. I'm sure some rhythm games might need it, but the majority use it as an added effect and to help find extras in games. BotW doesn't even utilize HD rumble. I've spent time testing aftermarket controllers that don't have any rumble and it is far from required.
I don't know how much exposure you have to kids, but the parents I know have expressed the Switch is simply too expensive and delicate for children. They go to tablets or a 3DS/2DS instead for their kids. They are more likely to use the Switch themselves and only allow kids to use it while supervised. One major reason that kept coming up from parents that actually have a Switch is that the joycons kept going missing, rendering the console useless if all they had were joycons. Replacing them is more than the cost of a new game. Removing that issue with static joycons would entice parents to hand the Switch over to their kids without having to worry. That would mean more households would have a Switch solely for kids and increase households with multiple Switch units. A "pro" model would be seen as an upgrade for adults, so another scenario is the adult user upgrades and hands down the standard Switch to kids. Of the expensive tablets I have seen kids using most parents say it was their old or now unused tablet handed down to the child.
A "kids" unit and "pro" unit means more accessibility, and that means a broader base. A broader base buys more games. More game sales means more publishers will want their products on the Switch. More games on the Switch attracts more players, and the cycle continues, all the way to the next console years down the line. It's only the single most important thing to the longevity and financial viability of the Switch and Nintendo as a whole. The Switch might be doing well now, but what about after next-gen consoles are announced? What about when the Switch isn't new and exciting? New models add back some excitement without requiring a completely new console that would actually fracture the base and be costly and opens new market segments. New models could be 6-12 months away or even further out, if they're coming at all. Model refreshes are a normal business move in gaming and even many other industries like automotive. It wouldn't make sense for Nintendo not to have a model refresh eventually.
@KingdomHeartsFan "Labo for the new Switch mini". It's cardboard and NFC cards, hardly a major design challenge. Nintendo, and aftermarket companies, made and still make accessories for all the various 3DS/2DS variants. Why would Nintendo be incapable of making accessories for their own products, especially when those accessories are made of cardboard?
@KingdomHeartsFan It's almost like building a product line involves building an accessory line for those products. Seems like you're unfamiliar with general business mechanics and/or clouded by the fear of somehow missing out on something if there were to be additional Switch versions. More models are an inevitably, especially out of Nintendo. Everyone in the field does it and it makes sense since certain market segments are still hesitant on the Switch, namely parents buying for children that will be the sole user. What doesn't make sense is arguing the Switch is perfect and everyone should love it. It really just sounds like you don't want any kind of change because you already have a Switch and don't want to feel left behind.
@nessisonett Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series!
@Anti-Matter Your comment stuck with me after I first saw it and the possibility of a Switch playing 3DS titles is exciting, especially since sales of 3DS are dwindling. There's a new article titled "New Nintendo Switch "Lite" Will Have an Impressive Secret Feature". This immediately made me think of your comment, as did the following paragraph from the article:
"The company still sells a number of DS handheld consoles, the oldest one being the Nintendo 2DS which was released all the way back in 2013. The “Switch Lite” will likely be marketed as a replacement for some of these older handhelds, by offering an entry-level console that can still play some of Nintendo’s more recent titles."
https://www.inverse.com/article/54574-new-nintendo-switch-lite-features
@GLaDDeX1234 definitely. I'm not into the vr head weights, I just want to see things in 3d. I'd they made a switch with that gorgeous super stable 3d technology I would be all over it.
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