@subpopz Hey to be clear, dedicted servers are not always necessary, but in some cases they are the superior choice. Not to say P2P is obsolete or useless, if that were the case it would be encouraged not to use it and everyone would complain, sometimes P2P works so well that you only realize that it's peer to peer once you see the message "Changing host" or something similar. I'm just glad we had a healthy discussion with no heated arguments or insulting each other. You had some very good points that I do agree on. It was fun.
@subpopz Realiability as in: if we assume a dedicated server is within the same distance as another player using P2P, distance won't be the only factor, more so the quality of the connection and available bandwidth. I can safely and objectively say that a dedicated server with invested money will have most of the time a better service than that of a random player online.
@subpopz "Dedicated servers would likely be worse, unless you happened to live close to them" you proved your argument wrong as soon as you started it, P2P also has a guy acting as the server, maybe one day you will play with your neighbor, the other day you will play with a guy across many countries. Reliability is key.
Dedicated servers, specially for games such as smash, do solve many problems. Since P2P relies on one guy hosting the match the entire experience will be dependent on the quality of his connection. Thus, if he doesn't have a stable connection, which is very common since not everyone has access to a good service, the match will be ruined for both players. Try playing a Smash WiiU online match with a guy with a poor service and the match will be ruined for both players. Dedicated servers remove the responsibility of the players to do the hosting and has regional equipment that not only manage the hosting service exclusively, but also have a very decent bandwidth allocated. Image having a game like Dota 2 or LoL where the hosting relies on one guy. He wouldn't say I'm lagging on the chat while everyone else is playing flawlessly, the rest of the nine players wouldn't be able to play as well, imagine that nightmare.
Even though there's much to be improved, gotta play Splatoon so I couldn't skip it. Hope all this revenue will go towards improving it. As reggie said, they plan on implementing dedicated servers on Mario Kart and Smash so yeah, half full glass I guess.
@AlternateButtons Wait a second... If the excuse is that they don't want to do anything with bowsette because of the NSFW material out there... That would mean they would have to remove every character they have as well. You know, there's rule 34 of everything out there, that's the rule itself.
@sanderev I didn't mean it like that, obviously those games introduce a way more different experience than normal controlls, i love my rock band drums and would never prefer a controller over that. I meant it like these controllers right here, were they only work for nintendo online NES games. Let's say a FIFA controller with a couple new buttons or less and a different layout only to play FIFA games.
holy crap, I just checked and the fighter edition bundle is $94.99 and the ultimate edition is $109.99. Can't believe there was going to be a more expensive bundle than NBA 2K18
Why do some people find it annoying that they sell it before the game comes out. It's not like you're not getting the game anyway, I was going to buy I'd be glad to get it ASAP
@Tyranexx no need to apologise I was just confused xD but yeah it would be cool if they did a few more designs for smash bros with different colors as stand alone joy cons. I kinda like the design they went for it though, I'm all for minimalistic and clean.
@NEStalgia well the way I knew about was that you transferred your Nintendo account to a new switch and then it will work, however you need to have your previous switch for that. Then again this shows how little experience Nintendo has with online interaction or infrastructure as a whole, we are still using friend codes on 2018... I think they should just hire an entire team that actually knows what they are doing with simple things such as this. There's no denying it, they know how to make games and I love them for that, but with online interaction they are still stuck in the 90's
@Grant007 The most interactive way ever to do so right on nintendo switch. You just have to follow some simple steps:
1. Archive your game 2. Power off your system completely 3. Remove the SD card 4. Power it on again 5. Redownload the archived game 6. Once done power it off again 7. Put the SD card back on 8. Enjoy your game on internal memory
I seriously hope there's a simple button to do this on 6.x like every other device out there, can't believe a qol feature like that was not considered for the first version.
@saintayu nani?? xD what was that police argument all about haha, talk about going off on a tangent. Time to leave this thread, it was fun discussing this though.
@saintayu 1 ROM copy = infinite distribution, 1 Physical copy = 1 Physical copy. It's simple, it's illegal and there is no way around it. I'm not even arguing in defense of Nintendo, it's the same for all media, movies, music and other game companies too. ROMs are fun, but don't defend them as if they were legal just because you're getting them for free very easily.
@KingdomHeartsFan exactly, that's why your argument doesn't really make sense, you're saying that because they don't make money on it the second time its sold, it's the same as ROMS, however, ROMs never made money for the company they belong to, they're always distributed for free, hence, illegaly.
@KingdomHeartsFan Funny thing is, they do get money from it... they shipped that game to a retailer and they got the money from them and when it was originally purchased. It's not like they don't get money from the guy who resold it, they already did.
I mean... I don't understand how this is still a debate, I love ROMs, that's how I got to play lots of games for the first time and had a lot of fun, even bought the 8bitdo nes30 to play them. However, it's still illegal to distribute intellectual property that isn't yours, people talk about this as if Nintendo is the only one that does this, Movie studios, copyright system in YouTube, Sony, Microsoft, etc. They're not villains for doing this guys lol, it's just the legal team behind Nintendo protecting THEIR property because remember guys, they made it, it's their right to do whatever they want with it. As for the argument about game preservation, totally agree, if there was a legal service to do this it would be fine and I feel like they're planning to do so with the online service coming up, that's why they're taking action now.
I f love this game so much, yes there are frame drops and it's a bit annoying, but nothing thay significantly hinders my experience. They say they're fixing it and focusing all resources into it, I can wait happily with that acknowledgement.
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Re: Nintendo Files Patent For Game Boy Case Compatible With Touch Screen Devices
Now this is epic
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Commented in under a minute
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so... no mistery gift option for US?
Re: Nintendo Switch Online Prepaid Cards "Selling Extremely Well", Says Major Japanese Retailer
@subpopz Hey to be clear, dedicted servers are not always necessary, but in some cases they are the superior choice. Not to say P2P is obsolete or useless, if that were the case it would be encouraged not to use it and everyone would complain, sometimes P2P works so well that you only realize that it's peer to peer once you see the message "Changing host" or something similar. I'm just glad we had a healthy discussion with no heated arguments or insulting each other. You had some very good points that I do agree on. It was fun.
Re: Nintendo Switch Online Prepaid Cards "Selling Extremely Well", Says Major Japanese Retailer
@subpopz Realiability as in: if we assume a dedicated server is within the same distance as another player using P2P, distance won't be the only factor, more so the quality of the connection and available bandwidth. I can safely and objectively say that a dedicated server with invested money will have most of the time a better service than that of a random player online.
Re: Nintendo Switch Online Prepaid Cards "Selling Extremely Well", Says Major Japanese Retailer
@subpopz "Dedicated servers would likely be worse, unless you happened to live close to them" you proved your argument wrong as soon as you started it, P2P also has a guy acting as the server, maybe one day you will play with your neighbor, the other day you will play with a guy across many countries. Reliability is key.
Re: Nintendo Switch Online Prepaid Cards "Selling Extremely Well", Says Major Japanese Retailer
@LittleLion "The amount of servers we need to support Smash Brothers or Mario Kart — these big multiplayer games — is not a small investment"
https://www.google.com.ec/amp/s/wccftech.com/reggie-switch-paid-online-investment/amp/
Dedicated servers, specially for games such as smash, do solve many problems. Since P2P relies on one guy hosting the match the entire experience will be dependent on the quality of his connection. Thus, if he doesn't have a stable connection, which is very common since not everyone has access to a good service, the match will be ruined for both players. Try playing a Smash WiiU online match with a guy with a poor service and the match will be ruined for both players. Dedicated servers remove the responsibility of the players to do the hosting and has regional equipment that not only manage the hosting service exclusively, but also have a very decent bandwidth allocated. Image having a game like Dota 2 or LoL where the hosting relies on one guy. He wouldn't say I'm lagging on the chat while everyone else is playing flawlessly, the rest of the nine players wouldn't be able to play as well, imagine that nightmare.
Re: Nintendo Switch Online Prepaid Cards "Selling Extremely Well", Says Major Japanese Retailer
Even though there's much to be improved, gotta play Splatoon so I couldn't skip it. Hope all this revenue will go towards improving it. As reggie said, they plan on implementing dedicated servers on Mario Kart and Smash so yeah, half full glass I guess.
Re: Reminder: Nintendo's Mobile RPG Dragalia Lost Is Now Available, In Some Countries At Least
I'm liking it quite a bit, it's a fun time killer.
Re: Visual Novel Steins;Gate Elite Is Heading To The West On Switch In February 2019
@gortsi the organization is on to us
Re: Nintendo Has Nothing To Say About Internet Superstar Bowsette, So Stop Begging For Her
@AlternateButtons Wait a second... If the excuse is that they don't want to do anything with bowsette because of the NSFW material out there... That would mean they would have to remove every character they have as well. You know, there's rule 34 of everything out there, that's the rule itself.
Re: TowerFall - This Couch Co-Op Classic Is Perfectly Suited To Nintendo Switch
@HalBailman shmups are not the same as shooters at all.
Re: Nintendo Switch Online Companion App Reaches Five Million Downloads
keep the app, but give us the option to do everything the app does on the console itself as well. Options are good, don't make an apple move nintendo
Re: Random: Fans Ask For A Philips CD-i Classic, Philips Says "We Will Try Our Best"
Oh no, please, leave it buried and forgotten as it should be
Re: Rumour: SMITE Patch Notes Suggest Hi-Rez Releasing Free-To-Play MOBA On Nintendo Switch
YES, been asking for this for a long time. My friend and I said we were going back to smite if it ever got released on the switch.
Re: Motion Twin Outlines Upcoming Dead Cells Content, Wants To Know What Players Would Like
One of my favorite indies of all time
Re: Nintendo Download: 20th September (North America)
my poor wallet
Re: Video: New Super Mario Party Trailer Shows Lots Of Footage And Strangely Coloured Joy-Con
does it come with friends to play with too?
Re: The Nintendo Switch NES Controllers Are Now Available To Pre-Order In Europe
glad I got the 8bitdo NES30 before they were discontinued
Re: Reminder: Wireless NES Controllers For Switch Are Now Available To Pre-Purchase In North America
@sanderev I didn't mean it like that, obviously those games introduce a way more different experience than normal controlls, i love my rock band drums and would never prefer a controller over that. I meant it like these controllers right here, were they only work for nintendo online NES games. Let's say a FIFA controller with a couple new buttons or less and a different layout only to play FIFA games.
Re: Reminder: Wireless NES Controllers For Switch Are Now Available To Pre-Purchase In North America
Imagine having to buy specific controllers for specific games in the future. EA is probably already thinking about this.
Re: Final Fantasy XV Pocket Edition HD - An Inferior Clone Of An Already Divisive Game
a port of a port of a game from the same year. Brilliant square enix, now give us Octopath 2
Re: New Videos Explore The Lore Of Nintendo's Upcoming Mobile RPG Dragalia Lost
the multiplayer on the mobile direct hooked me. Can't wait to try if it's good with some friends.
Re: Super Butoden Will Remain Exclusive To Dragon Ball FighterZ Pre-Orders
holy crap, I just checked and the fighter edition bundle is $94.99 and the ultimate edition is $109.99. Can't believe there was going to be a more expensive bundle than NBA 2K18
Re: NES Games On Switch Playable For Up To Seven Days Without Internet Connection
Not a big deal, streaming services do this with downloaded episodes and I get why, totally fine with it. 7 days is a long time.
Re: Gallery: Behold The Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Nintendo Switch Hardware Bundle
Why do some people find it annoying that they sell it before the game comes out. It's not like you're not getting the game anyway, I was going to buy I'd be glad to get it ASAP
Re: Gallery: Behold The Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Nintendo Switch Hardware Bundle
@Tyranexx no need to apologise I was just confused xD but yeah it would be cool if they did a few more designs for smash bros with different colors as stand alone joy cons. I kinda like the design they went for it though, I'm all for minimalistic and clean.
Re: Gallery: Behold The Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Nintendo Switch Hardware Bundle
@Tyranexx what blue logo? the only time it had a tint on blue was on the wii u version, now the entire title and smash ball is just black.
Re: Wizard Of Legend Receiving Magical Sky Palace Update Later This Year
This game is sooo good
Re: Cities: Skylines Is Out Now On The Nintendo Switch
I'm so close to double dipping this one. I had so much fun with it and to be able to check on my cities everywhere... Very tempting
Re: Nintendo Switch System Update 6.0.0 Launches Alongside Online Service
@NEStalgia well the way I knew about was that you transferred your Nintendo account to a new switch and then it will work, however you need to have your previous switch for that. Then again this shows how little experience Nintendo has with online interaction or infrastructure as a whole, we are still using friend codes on 2018... I think they should just hire an entire team that actually knows what they are doing with simple things such as this. There's no denying it, they know how to make games and I love them for that, but with online interaction they are still stuck in the 90's
Re: Nintendo Switch System Update 6.0.0 Launches Alongside Online Service
@PanurgeJr they already are
Re: Projectile-Fighting Game Lethal League Blaze Hits The Switch In 2019
the original is so much fun, I think I wanna get into it again
Re: Random: A Tiny Animation Change In Mega Man 11 Is Leaving Some Players Unhappy
Always looking for something to complain about, we're doing great humanity
Re: Nintendo Website Suggests Multiple Switch Games Will Not Support Cloud Saves
So dumb honestly... Splatoon's progress should be tied to your Nintendo account, you know, like any other online multiplayer game out there
Re: Flyhigh Works Is Bringing Spider Solitaire F To The Switch eShop This Month
@Anti-Matter If it's you that doesn't care I suggest a different phrasing than "who cares"
Re: Ubisoft's Rayman Ready For Battle In Free-To-Play Platform Fighter Brawlhalla
How did that happen
Re: Get Up To 50% Off Top Nintendo Select Titles In North America Right Now
@TheFanatic @MoonKnight7 awesome, going for it
Re: Get Up To 50% Off Top Nintendo Select Titles In North America Right Now
ok, never played animal crossing before and I feel an impulse to buy it right now, should I?
Re: Epic Games Responds To Fans' Pleas To Improve Fortnite On Switch With New Patch
@Grant007 The most interactive way ever to do so right on nintendo switch. You just have to follow some simple steps:
1. Archive your game
2. Power off your system completely
3. Remove the SD card
4. Power it on again
5. Redownload the archived game
6. Once done power it off again
7. Put the SD card back on
8. Enjoy your game on internal memory
I seriously hope there's a simple button to do this on 6.x like every other device out there, can't believe a qol feature like that was not considered for the first version.
Re: Illegal Game Sharing Site Mocks Nintendo's Recent Legal Actions With Trolling Video
@saintayu nani?? xD what was that police argument all about haha, talk about going off on a tangent. Time to leave this thread, it was fun discussing this though.
Re: Meet The Nyko Pixelquest, A Nintendo Labo-Like Build-It-Yourself Arcade Cabinet For Switch
I'm really curious how they mapped the SR and SL buttons with that thing, clever. Looks fun with some friends, might have to give it a try.
Re: Illegal Game Sharing Site Mocks Nintendo's Recent Legal Actions With Trolling Video
@saintayu 1 ROM copy = infinite distribution, 1 Physical copy = 1 Physical copy. It's simple, it's illegal and there is no way around it. I'm not even arguing in defense of Nintendo, it's the same for all media, movies, music and other game companies too. ROMs are fun, but don't defend them as if they were legal just because you're getting them for free very easily.
Re: Epic Games Responds To Fans' Pleas To Improve Fortnite On Switch With New Patch
that was fast
Re: Illegal Game Sharing Site Mocks Nintendo's Recent Legal Actions With Trolling Video
@KingdomHeartsFan exactly, that's why your argument doesn't really make sense, you're saying that because they don't make money on it the second time its sold, it's the same as ROMS, however, ROMs never made money for the company they belong to, they're always distributed for free, hence, illegaly.
Re: Illegal Game Sharing Site Mocks Nintendo's Recent Legal Actions With Trolling Video
@KingdomHeartsFan Funny thing is, they do get money from it... they shipped that game to a retailer and they got the money from them and when it was originally purchased. It's not like they don't get money from the guy who resold it, they already did.
Re: Illegal Game Sharing Site Mocks Nintendo's Recent Legal Actions With Trolling Video
I mean... I don't understand how this is still a debate, I love ROMs, that's how I got to play lots of games for the first time and had a lot of fun, even bought the 8bitdo nes30 to play them. However, it's still illegal to distribute intellectual property that isn't yours, people talk about this as if Nintendo is the only one that does this, Movie studios, copyright system in YouTube, Sony, Microsoft, etc. They're not villains for doing this guys lol, it's just the legal team behind Nintendo protecting THEIR property because remember guys, they made it, it's their right to do whatever they want with it. As for the argument about game preservation, totally agree, if there was a legal service to do this it would be fine and I feel like they're planning to do so with the online service coming up, that's why they're taking action now.
Re: Koei Tecmo Worked On The Action Segments In Dragon Quest Builders 2
Oh boy I loved the first one so much, can't wait for the sequel.
Re: Rocket League Is Changing With Its New 'Progression' Update Next Week
I wonder when is the complete crossplay update is coming to create parties between platforms
Re: Motion Twin Apologises For Frame Rate Drops In Switch Version Of Dead Cells
I f love this game so much, yes there are frame drops and it's a bit annoying, but nothing thay significantly hinders my experience. They say they're fixing it and focusing all resources into it, I can wait happily with that acknowledgement.