@ItsATM Those N64 games also had a physical cartridge which was expensive to make. Those games came with a manual too and there was a much smaller install base (fewer copies were sold so more had to be made per copy). A n64 cart costed alot more to make than a Switch game card. Not that it really matters since a digital copy is the same price.
The only reason this game is $70 is because gamers have shown (with other consoles) that they are willing to pay that much. They know Zelda will sell at this price and this is a test case. It isn't because of inflation or development costs or any other reason.
@Wexter Exactly, they have gotten so scummy with the extras that people are asking for a price increase to stop the scummy practices. What they call the more expensive digital deluxe edition these days was once called on disc dlc and was quite controversial. Now they sell it openly and the true cost of the full game is much more than the price of the base game. It’s a game of cross this line and once people accept that they present a new line to cross. Asking for $100 games to avoid the nonsense is just another line to cross and before long they will still be trying to sell us more dlc on top of that price.
My problem is that they thought it was ok to release it broken and then pretend that they didn't know it was broken until the players complained about it. You know they tested it, you know they were aware it was broken and just pretended that they didn't know.
@Phlaike So after getting utterly spanked over the making of a backup copy thing and showing that you don't even remember how cassette tape recording works. You do exactly what you accused me of and re-direct to ONE point. A point that I have not ignored but have made several posts about.
You think stupid laws should be obeyed on principle; I disagree. We have a difference of opinion. On the objective facts about making a legal backup, you were objectively wrong. Chances are I was debating the legality of making a legal backup when you were trying to figure out how to make a backup.
@Phlaike CD's and DVD's would also apply to cassettes and video cassettes. Are you really stooping this low? In addition, even if you respect the 'can't circumvent DRM' nonsense, that still wouldn't apply to audio cassettes.
I pasted directly from the site since you obviously missed everything you didn't like!
So yes fella, you could make a legal copy of your purchased audio cassettes and I even know HOW cassette recording works, unlike you. Get your ducks in a row next time.
@Phlaike let me make it clearer for you You can own it without saying ‘ I was wrong’, that’s more like regretting it. Owning is ‘I did it and I am not sorry’. You are so closed minded about your dogmatic adherence to stupid laws.
Scroll down to where is says CD’s and DVD’s. It basically says that making a backup copy for use if the original copy fails is legal. I would copy and paste directly from the site but I am on my phone and that is a pain.
Here ya go: "In addition to making a backup copy of software, it is legal to make a backup copy of a CD or DVD so that you can continue to enjoy the copyrighted material if your original copy fails. It is illegal to make copies of CDs or DVDs if you intend to distribute them to third parties, even by giving them away. Additionally, in some instances it may be unlawful to circumvent anti-piracy technology in order to make a backup copy of a CD or DVD."
Let me address this line as it is a stupid provision:
"Additionally, in some instances it may be unlawful to circumvent anti-piracy technology in order to make a backup copy of a CD or DVD."
This is a provision that was added in 2000 that allows corporations to circumvent your legal right to make a backup for personal use which was previously established, and this provision should not exist.
@Phlaike Owning it can mean that you admit to breaking a stupid law and are proud of it. You make think all laws are fair and perfect but not all of us think that way.
You can atleast admit that you were wrong about how cassette tapes worked before shifting the goal post.
@Phlaike Your memory is flawed, blank tapes had the tabs and if you didn’t want them accidental recorded over you would pop out the tabs. Professional tapes already had the tabs popped out. You didn’t tape over the hole to make a copy. You tape over the hole if you wanted erase the professional tape and record something new on it. You could do that if you wanted to, no law against it
Check your memory banks next time before playing the gotcha card.
@Phlaike The law is not always right and when the law is affected by lobbying it just isn’t a fair representation.
For example, now you have to be 21 to buy tobacco in my state. Before that it was 18 and before that it was 16. Which law is fair? They just keeping upping the age, at what point do citizens just say no and find ways around the law? Should they just roll with the changes and obey the law regardless of how they feel about it?
@ThePizzaCheese Wait. So let me get this straight. Since Nintendo is no longer selling SNES consoles, it is ok to play on a clone console BECAUSE there is nothing Nintendo needs to be compensated for? This is because Nintendo can't make money off of a console that it no longer sells.
However, this same logic doesn't work for the games that Nintendo no longer sells?
@ThePizzaCheese ...just and fair is a matter of opinion. The laws are written to benefit corporations, that isn't exactly what I would call fair and thanks to the internet they can be disregarded if you just want to play a game that isn't available from the copyright holder.
You never answered my question about playing a real SNES game on a Retron 5. Are you ok with that, why or why not?
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Re: Bandai Namco Apologises For Tales Of Symphonia Remastered Issues On Switch
If they were sorry, they would have fixed it before release. This is PR nonsense.
Re: Talking Point: Why Are So Many Remasters Sub-Par At Launch?
It’s because with remasters they know they already have a large customer base because of the success of the original game.
Re: Talking Point: What Will Be Announced On Pokémon Day 2023?
Let the speculation begin to e sure that everyone ends up disappointed.
Re: Chrono Cross Remaster Update Coming Later This Month, Promises "Framerate Improvements"
Maybe they will surprise us and add Chrono Trigger on the update.
Re: Nintendo's Next Switch Game Trial Has Been Announced For Online Subscribers (US)
@theModestMouse …and that old game is only a trial. Such a sad service compared to Gamepass and PS +.
Re: Nintendo's Next Switch Game Trial Has Been Announced For Online Subscribers (US)
Meanwhile on GamePass....
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (February 18th)
Tales of Symphonia on PS5. Strange that there are still loading times on the PS5 but I read that it's a better version than the Switch.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Tales Of Symphonia Remastered
$40 was the price for the PS3 version and that included the sequel. This isn’t worth the price.
Re: Review: Tales of Symphonia Remastered - A GameCube Classic That Shows Its Age On Switch
@Orpheus79V Both Gamecube games and both $40. Seems comparable.
Re: Review: Tales of Symphonia Remastered - A GameCube Classic That Shows Its Age On Switch
@SmugOinkologne if memory serves, the PS3 version with the sequel included was $40.
Re: Review: Tales of Symphonia Remastered - A GameCube Classic That Shows Its Age On Switch
So how much are they asking for this?
Re: Arrest Made In Japan After Nintendo Executive Receives Death Threats
@SonOfDracula When the perp is a woman, people start making excuses for her behavior.
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Temporarily Listed On Nintendo Website For $70 USD
@ItsATM Those N64 games also had a physical cartridge which was expensive to make. Those games came with a manual too and there was a much smaller install base (fewer copies were sold so more had to be made per copy). A n64 cart costed alot more to make than a Switch game card. Not that it really matters since a digital copy is the same price.
The only reason this game is $70 is because gamers have shown (with other consoles) that they are willing to pay that much. They know Zelda will sell at this price and this is a test case. It isn't because of inflation or development costs or any other reason.
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Temporarily Listed On Nintendo Website For $70 USD
@ItsATM How about another $40 instead of $10? Do you have any limit?
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Temporarily Listed On Nintendo Website For $70 USD
@Wexter Exactly, they have gotten so scummy with the extras that people are asking for a price increase to stop the scummy practices. What they call the more expensive digital deluxe edition these days was once called on disc dlc and was quite controversial. Now they sell it openly and the true cost of the full game is much more than the price of the base game. It’s a game of cross this line and once people accept that they present a new line to cross. Asking for $100 games to avoid the nonsense is just another line to cross and before long they will still be trying to sell us more dlc on top of that price.
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Temporarily Listed On Nintendo Website For $70 USD
@Wexter They have trained you to accept $100 games with all the extras they try to sell you.
Re: Japanese Charts: PlayStation 5 Soars In Sales And Once Again Beats Switch
@GVIL PlayStation Plus, most PS5’s come with a game. Mine came with God of War Ragnarok.
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Temporarily Listed On Nintendo Website For $70 USD
Consumers are supposed to seek lower prices, not ask for higher prices. Fandom though…..
What companies charge depends on what their customers are willing to pay and those ‘I would pay $100’ people are hurting everyone.
Re: Nintendo Wins "Switch Joy-Con Drift" Class Action Lawsuit
I have never experienced drift either but I am not going to pretend that it isn’t an issue.
Re: Nintendo Wins "Switch Joy-Con Drift" Class Action Lawsuit
The idea that corporations get to decide how you sue them should be the issue everyone is talking about.
Re: Feature: 9 Unanswered Questions We Have About Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom
Let’s find out as much as we can about the game before release so that it ruins our experience! Brilliant plan.
Re: UK Charts: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Knocks Call Of Duty Down A Peg To Take Bronze
Who milks one game more? Nintendo, Bethesda or Rock Star?
Re: Nintendo Releases Update For Switch (Version 15.0.1), Here Are The Details
@KnightsTemplar They have more important priorities like censorship.
Re: Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Version 1.1.0 Now Available, Nintendo Apologises For Performance Issues & Bugs
My problem is that they thought it was ok to release it broken and then pretend that they didn't know it was broken until the players complained about it. You know they tested it, you know they were aware it was broken and just pretended that they didn't know.
Re: Turn Your Switch Into A GameCube With This Gorgeous Controller Case
They are just different colored buttons. Nothing like a real Gamecube controller.
Re: Frustrated Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Players Are Reportedly Getting Refunds
@Greatluigi A release date that Game Freak knew about.
Re: Random: Sony Alleges That Microsoft Is Trying To Turn It Into Nintendo
@rosncranz Shouldn't we also be opposed to Sony paying for console exclusive games like Final Fantasy 16, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and more?
Sony plays this game too. Maybe Microsoft should just buy console exclusivity of the next couple of Call of Duty games.
Re: Video: Nintendo Land Will Likely Never Come To Switch, But That's Okay
Wasn’t Nintendo Land just a bunch of tech demos to show what can be done on the console?
Re: Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Surpass 10 Million Sales In First Three Days, Setting New Nintendo Record
@Dr_Lugae Well one has to buy the game and play it to determine if it's fun but their purchase counts whether they like it or not.
No, I would say it's the brand name that sells it.
Re: Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Surpass 10 Million Sales In First Three Days, Setting New Nintendo Record
@EaglyTheKawaiiShika They put the Pokemon logo on the cover didn't they? Isn't that enough?
Re: Soapbox: How To Improve Pokémon Scarlet And Violet's Open World
@Bret I got my refund before I bought it. It's a PSA for others.
Re: Soapbox: How To Improve Pokémon Scarlet And Violet's Open World
@Bret Ok Bret, I won't lose any sleep over it though.
Re: Soapbox: How To Improve Pokémon Scarlet And Violet's Open World
@Kiwi_Unlimited Suddenly my friends' stories are completely uninteresting and I don't want to duel them Neenah we have the same 'mon.
This is what's important, your friends Pokémon stories? Guess I have been playing it wrong.
Otherwise, the pokemon catching experience is kind of pointless
I MUST have been playing it wrong. I should have been calling my friends everytime I caught a new Pokemon!
'Hey Jeff, I just caught a Bidoof, I named him Bucky'
Re: Soapbox: How To Improve Pokémon Scarlet And Violet's Open World
Nintendo is giving refunds.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/gaming/nintendo-is-now-reportedly-accepting-refunds-for-pok-c3-a9mon-scarlet-and-violet/ar-AA14qqvT
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Phlaike So after getting utterly spanked over the making of a backup copy thing and showing that you don't even remember how cassette tape recording works. You do exactly what you accused me of and re-direct to ONE point. A point that I have not ignored but have made several posts about.
You think stupid laws should be obeyed on principle; I disagree. We have a difference of opinion. On the objective facts about making a legal backup, you were objectively wrong. Chances are I was debating the legality of making a legal backup when you were trying to figure out how to make a backup.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Phlaike CD's and DVD's would also apply to cassettes and video cassettes. Are you really stooping this low? In addition, even if you respect the 'can't circumvent DRM' nonsense, that still wouldn't apply to audio cassettes.
I pasted directly from the site since you obviously missed everything you didn't like!
So yes fella, you could make a legal copy of your purchased audio cassettes and I even know HOW cassette recording works, unlike you. Get your ducks in a row next time.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Phlaike let me make it clearer for you You can own it without saying ‘ I was wrong’, that’s more like regretting it. Owning is ‘I did it and I am not sorry’. You are so closed minded about your dogmatic adherence to stupid laws.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
https://legalbeagle.com/12719622-dmca-backup-of-copyrighted-content.html
Scroll down to where is says CD’s and DVD’s. It basically says that making a backup copy for use if the original copy fails is legal. I would copy and paste directly from the site but I am on my phone and that is a pain.
Here ya go:
"In addition to making a backup copy of software, it is legal to make a backup copy of a CD or DVD so that you can continue to enjoy the copyrighted material if your original copy fails. It is illegal to make copies of CDs or DVDs if you intend to distribute them to third parties, even by giving them away. Additionally, in some instances it may be unlawful to circumvent anti-piracy technology in order to make a backup copy of a CD or DVD."
Let me address this line as it is a stupid provision:
"Additionally, in some instances it may be unlawful to circumvent anti-piracy technology in order to make a backup copy of a CD or DVD."
This is a provision that was added in 2000 that allows corporations to circumvent your legal right to make a backup for personal use which was previously established, and this provision should not exist.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Phlaike Owning it can mean that you admit to breaking a stupid law and are proud of it. You make think all laws are fair and perfect but not all of us think that way.
You can atleast admit that you were wrong about how cassette tapes worked before shifting the goal post.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Phlaike Your memory is flawed, blank tapes had the tabs and if you didn’t want them accidental recorded over you would pop out the tabs. Professional tapes already had the tabs popped out. You didn’t tape over the hole to make a copy. You tape over the hole if you wanted erase the professional tape and record something new on it. You could do that if you wanted to, no law against it
Check your memory banks next time before playing the gotcha card.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Phlaike The law is not always right and when the law is affected by lobbying it just isn’t a fair representation.
For example, now you have to be 21 to buy tobacco in my state. Before that it was 18 and before that it was 16. Which law is fair? They just keeping upping the age, at what point do citizens just say no and find ways around the law? Should they just roll with the changes and obey the law regardless of how they feel about it?
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Phlaike pretty sure it was legal to make a personal backup.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Phlaike No, I bought a game. That's why I can resell it.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Azuris In Japan they managed to make renting games illegal. If they could, I bet they would put a play limit on each copy.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@ThePizzaCheese I see, so buying a Switch game and then playing it on PC is ok so long as you have a USB Switch card reader?
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@ThePizzaCheese Wait. So let me get this straight. Since Nintendo is no longer selling SNES consoles, it is ok to play on a clone console BECAUSE there is nothing Nintendo needs to be compensated for? This is because Nintendo can't make money off of a console that it no longer sells.
However, this same logic doesn't work for the games that Nintendo no longer sells?
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Ocaz Yeah his response is taking an unusually long time now.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@ThePizzaCheese Why don't you see a problem playing games on a Retron 5? Is it because the SNES isn't sold by Nintendo anymore?
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@Ocaz No doubt that the copyright laws are written to benefit corporations.
Re: Nintendo Isn't Happy About Switch Game Images On Steam
@ThePizzaCheese ...just and fair is a matter of opinion. The laws are written to benefit corporations, that isn't exactly what I would call fair and thanks to the internet they can be disregarded if you just want to play a game that isn't available from the copyright holder.
You never answered my question about playing a real SNES game on a Retron 5. Are you ok with that, why or why not?