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@Rhaoulos Nintendo told them to cancel the whole event - not just Melee. Nintendo are the one's making themselves "look more like the bad guy"

@HexagonSun but if you actually played the game, then you would know that if you really wanted to, you could play pretty much the whole game with Mario. That's what I did because Mario controls the most fun in my opinion (although I usually hear Luigi is the favourite). Also, you saying the original game looks better in any way is just nostalgia talking. The DS game looks better in every aspect until you blow it up to a big screen. On actual DS hardware the game looks great.

I just think it's absurd how to rank Mario 64 as #1 but rank 64 DS as #8. Absolutely absurd.

@HexagonSun I found the person who hasn't played 64 DS and thus ranked it the lowest because they "think" the controls are terrible!

You all clearly haven't played Super Mario 64 DS recently. What the article writer is saying about the controls is absolutely false. The controls are not vastly inferior to the N64 version. If you played the game you would know that A) the dpad controls work pretty well because they use gradual turning and not immediate turning (aka only 8 directions), and B) the 3DS makes the game control worse and not better, despite you thinking otherwise because you assume the circle pad somehow "fixes" the controls, but with the way the controls are programmed (gradual turning) it objectively makes it worse. On a DS with a good diagonal turning dpad (aka the DS Lite because it's the only non-clicky dpad DS), the game controls feel good. And of course nobody mentions the vastly improved camera in Mario 64 DS - well, I wouldn't expect any of you to mention that because you played it 15 years ago when you were 8. For anyone that wants to know more about 64 DS since so most of you haven't played it, watch this video: https://youtu.be/re6qlTbQB4w

Oh, and I agree with everyone that 3D Land is too low.

Just, please don't generalize the competitive Smash community with things like: "I knew the competitive Smash community was bad" or "And this is why Nintendo doesn't fully support the competitive Smash community". As an outsider looking in, it's easy for you to say these things, especially if you have gripes of your own with the competitive side of the game.

The competitive Smash community will be stronger after this. The stories coming out are from many years of silence, and this will hopefully give victims the courage to come out sooner, and will hopefully give potential abusers a look at the repercussions they will face if they act upon their twisted desires.

@VeggieJoe to be fair, Persona 4 Golden IS a portable game

On one hand I totally understand why so many people aren't interested in this. It's a bit pricey for a simple remake, and some reviewers are saying the original games are better...?

But on the other hand, when this inevitably doesn't sell great, maybe rip Pokemon Mystery Dungeon

@Riderkicker so you're assuming the same will happen with Smash? Can you give an example of what might happen to Smash that will make it less enjoyable for casual players, due to Nintendo embracing the competitive side of things? I'll have you know that Melee is actually a fun casual game. I know it's hard to believe because it's known for its competitive scene, but Melee wasn't the best selling game on the GameCube because of its competitive capabilities

@nintendoknife ya but the people that win those tournaments don't spend thousands of hours of their lives perfecting the "waggle of the wiimote" and learning the intricacies and strategy that Wii Sports could potentially offer lol

@ShadowSniper7 I'm definitely not opposed to pot bonuses, I'm just saying that Nintendo is probably more willing to support the competitive scene in other ways at this point in time

@Riderkicker I don't know why people have this idea in their mind that if the competitive scene of a game is embraced and succeeds, then people can no longer enjoy it as a casual game. Just look at the Mortal Kombat games; yes they have a competitive scene, but they also have a huge casual playerbase. Nintendo embracing competitive Smash wouldn't mean that items will be removed from the next game, don't worry lol

While I disagree with most of the comments here because Nintendo Life readers don't really know much about competitive Smash in general, let alone Melee, I have to agree with one point:

Hbox really shouldn't be asking Nintendo for pot bonuses. They just won't do it; they've stated that several times. Maybe they can help in other ways, but pouring money into a pot bonus for the best players isn't something they're interested in.

Personally, I think Hbox should be asking Nintendo to port Melee to the Switch or something like that. Making Melee more accessible would potentially bring in more players at tournaments. More players at tournaments increases the pot anyways. Currently, Melee is extremely hard to get into. You typically need a CRT, a copy of the game (an expensive game for being so old), and an old Nintendo system and controller. Even if you're going the emulation route, setting all that up is a pain for most people not in the know. While Nintendo is reluctant to pouring money into the scene, I don't see why they would have any issue with porting Melee to the Switch and making money off the people who buy it.

@HeyItsFlapjack wait you're being sarcastic right...? Please tell me you actually weren't offended by the banter between Hbox and Reggie....

Do you think Reggie was not into it??? Reggie literally said, "next time I'll come up here and kick your ass!". It was all for fun and Reggie was having a blast. Hbox knows Reggie better than any other Nintendo fan. They even sat together at The Game Awards banquet one year and had a ball

Most people: Persona 5 on Switch just makes sense because of Joker in smash and PQ and P5S and whatever other reasons.

Me: Persona 5 on Switch makes sense because Sony dipped from the handheld market (i still love you Vita) and every mainline Persona game has gotten a handheld version.

@cryptologous I actually like Ultimate. I was just trying to prove that Melee certainly isn't "rough"

@Zacattack99 You think Melee rough? I think Ultimate is rough compared to Melee.

Examples:
Set dash dancing compared to Melee's free dash dancing. Characters in Ultimate lose their running momentum when they jump, whereas Melee characters all keep their momentum into the air. Much more landing lag all around in Ultimate making a lot of aerial moves just plain bad, whereas in Melee every character except G&W can cancel 50% of their aerial attack landing lag making even low tiers feel good to play. Ultimate's buffer system is the worst in the entire series (look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about), often screwing up combos and other precise inputs. I can explain how wavedashing drastically improves the player's movement options, but wavedashing is probably the last thing you want to hear me talk about

@Zacattack99 Melee has widely different mechanics and much heavier gravity. Combine these two things and you get a very different competitive game than Ultimate. Both games are good in there own ways, and Ultimate is definitely not an "upgraded Melee". Project M was debatably an "upgraded Melee".

@Saro Also, now that I think about it, were you trying to imply that Melee and Ultimate communities cannot coexist in the same tournament? Do you not realize that almost every major smash tournament features both Melee and Ultimate? It's always been this way and there is rarely any issues. In fact, the two games compliment each other quite well at Smash events

@Saro First: The particular instance in question happened because the announcer said to the crowd: "Who's ready for Melee coming up next! Make some noise!". The year later, at EVO 2018's infamous Smash4 grand finals, two Bayonettas stalled the match by doing absolutely nothing because they were bored and wanted to have fun. Even the Smash4 fans wanted the match to end.

Second: You very evidently do not know much about Melee if you think Fox and Falco make up most of the top competitive play. Out of the top 10 Melee players in the world, 2 of them main Fox and 2 of them main Marth. The other 6 players main Sheik, Yoshi, C.Falcon, Pikachu, Falco, and Puff.

@Saro what happened when EVO had both Melee and the current gen smash game? Why is it not a good idea? If I recall, one game finished Saturday, and one game finished Sunday

@Kit "Don't Ask Questions, Just Consume Product and Then Get Excited for Next Products"

It's understandable that the biggest critic would be the Sonic creator himself.

It's still good to see that he agrees it's an improvement.

@JR150 I'd think that most Dexers are of the opinion that game companies having low morale over bad publicity towards their game is a normal thing and GF shouldn't be protected from it.

Now if we're talking about the alleged death threats.... then that's a different story. Death threats should never have to be tolerated by anybody, let alone devs of your favorite game franchise

@BlueBlur101 Your comment makes a lot of sense, but I'm still salty. Even though I own P5 and I'm almost done it, I desperately wish P5R would come to Switch as well. Persona games just work better on portable devices. Every persona game except P5 is available portable. Now that Sony is out of the handheld market (rip Vita, you were great), it would make sense for Atlus to treat the Switch as the new portable Persona porting machine.

I still think Persona 5 will eventually come to Switch. If not, this would be the first ever Persona game to not have a portable re-release.

I'm genuinely curious as to why Nintendo Life so closely follows the Melee scene and is keen on reporting its drama

@thesilverbrick you're right. But it's fun. Like, really fun once you understand what's going on.

Ultimate is fun too, just in a different way. I respect players like Leffen and M2K who are great at both games.

The reason Melee is dropped is because EVO wants Ultimate to shine on its own. That's fair.

But most of you all are rejoicing and acting like Melee was the worst game ever made. If you really are a fan of the series, shouldn't you be happy that Melee made it this far? Or have you forgotten that Melee revived the competitive Smash scene???

@Mrtoad ya you're right. Competitive players should be playing on Big Blue with Poke Balls set to high. I really don't understand why they'd want to pick fair stages and fair rulesets...

@Euler ya you're right. I just think items on is a bit too much for competitive smash

@Syrek24 i could see this statement holding water in the Brawl days, since Melee players really were vocal about how much they hated Brawl. But in 2018, i think people like you are the problem. Nobody is forcing you to play the game competitively. The competitive community doesn't go out of their way to tell casual players that they are wrong for playing the game with items on. The competitive community is well aware that Smash games are first and foremost supposed to be party games. They just choose to play it their own way, and they shouldn't be "called out" for playing the game that way.

@Euler but does the randomness make it more competitive than if there was no randomness? Mario Kart would be much more competitive if it was purely skill. This is why time trials are typically more competitive than items on. And this is also why there aren't any "professional Mario Kart players".

@HobbitGamer it doesn't make it more competitive when it comes down to whoever gets the better pokemon from poke balls. That's like saying chess would be more competitive if a level of randomness was introduced.

@ReaderRagfish have you have thought that maybe people have more fun playing the game competitively? I think they dislike items because of their randomness, in the same way people didn't like random tripping in Brawl. It's just unfair; nothing fun about it when playing competitively.

There's a time for both casual and competitive smash bros fun. Neither way is the "wrong" way to play.

@AlphaJaguar Sega helped with Persona 5?

@NEStalgia that's MassiveHero Samurai for you

@NEStalgia ya, i see. Very good points. I just needed a different perspective since I myself play competitive Smash. I guess, other than all that money stuff, I would like if Nintendo supported the Smash scene by making their more popular competitive Smash game (Melee) more accessible. Like if Nintendo puts Melee on the Switch Virtual Console, and it runs all fine and dandy, I would consider that to be good support from them. Then we wouldn't have to lug around heavy CRT TVs and GameCubes everywhere (not that there's anything wrong with GameCubes...).

@NEStalgia that's unfortunate

What Reggie doesn't realize is that Smash has become eSports whether himself and casual gamers like it or not. I really don't understand why casual players hate on eSports. You don't have to partake in high level competition if you don't want to. All these games (Smash, Splatoon, Arms, Pokken) offer fun, casual content just as much as they can be viewed competitive. Reggie is spewing BS as far as I'm concerned. I agree with the comment somewhere above that mentions how Reggie says Nintendo has been pinoneers with multiplayer, yet now they're far behind the competition with lackluster online multiplayer options.

inb4 'the making of StarFox Zero. Miyamoto visited the shrines near his hometown. Oh, now we're in an aquarium to speak with the producers of Splatoon'

@aaronsullivan I agree. I thought this was the show they were referring to. I can't imagine a live action Castlevania.

@MarcelRguez This one also looks like it will have an R rating.

@TheWindWaker It's funny, because Nintendo probably wants nothing to do with this considering how gory it will be.

Unplug your controller dawg

@allav866 hopefully Nintendo will somehow port melee nicely over so there's minimal lag on an HDTV. Remember, Smash4 is played on HDTVs and is very popular in tournaments.

The following titles will be coming to the service early on, and are already running well:
Super Smash Bros Melee,
Super Smash Bros Melee,
and Super Smash Bros Melee

I don't think Brawl contributed at all...

Nintendo, WHY YOU NO MAKE POKEMON SNAP 2????

Maybe the author of this article needed to expand more on the group of people that this lag reduction concerns. The "fans" that still prefer this game over it's newer iterations are all competitive gamers. They prefer Melee over Brawl and Smash4 from a competitive standpoint. I agree that the newer games are far superior from a casual standpoint; there's more items, crazier stages, more modes, and a lot more characters. But from a competitive perspective, it's easy to see why Melee is favored over it's alterations. Melee is a faster paced game which equates to a more enjoyable viewer experience, the game mechanics are much more deep which gives the game challenge, and there is almost zero chance/luck involved which makes for a better competitive atmosphere.

lol Empire Arcadia lol