
Before we begin, we'd like to point out that this article discusses sexual coercion, sexual assault, rape, and sexual abuse of minors, and links to stories of these accounts. We appreciate this might be outside of our usual remit but we feel very strongly that this is a topic we simply could not ignore.
Imagine this: your favourite video game company releases a new, competitive game with all your favourite characters in it. You’re ecstatic. You buy it as soon as you can afford it. You invite all your friends over to your house to play it with you.
You end up winning a lot that day. “Hey, you’re really good at this,” they say. And they’re right. You wonder to yourself, “How good am I?” Curiosity gets the best of you and you search online for videos of other people playing this game. “Whoa,” you think to yourself while watching. Can people really get this good? You become enthralled.
You discover a group of people in your town who also play your favourite video game. They meet up once a week at a game store. You go, not knowing what to expect. You know nobody there, but you end up sitting down and playing with them. You get destroyed at your favourite video game.
They tell you that you’re good, but you need more practice. They tell you to come back next week. You do. Then you come back the following week, and the week after that. You start to get better. “Hey, you’re really good at this,” strangers begin telling you.
The best player in this group tells you there’s a big tournament coming up. They encourage you to come with them. You do. You get destroyed. “Whoa,” you think to yourself. "Can people really get this good?” You become enthralled.
You go to more tournaments. You get better. People start to notice you.
One day, the best player at the whole tournament comes up to you. “Hey, you’re really good at this. We should play together sometime.” You can’t believe it. The top player wants to play with you! You become friends. Then you become friends with all their friends.
You play your favourite video game with them wherever they take you.
EVO 2020, this year’s iteration of the popular national tournament for fighting video games, has been cancelled following allegations of inappropriate behaviour by CEO Joey “Mr. Wizard” Cuellar involving minors. These alleged offences place at a local arcade and amusement park near Los Angeles, where young kids congregated en masse to play video games.
After the accusation proliferated on social media, many notable players announced they were dropping out of EVO. Announcers and organizers followed. Then, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and NetherRealm, companies whose games were featured in the tournament, announced they were pulling their titles and monetary support. EVO announced Culler’s removal as CEO and intentions of restructuring. Cuellar posted an apology.
Within the span of just a few hours, one of the biggest gaming events of the year was over.
The rapidness in which fans, participants, and corporations reacted can be explained in part, perhaps, to the recent global groundswell of social-issue awareness happening all around the world, especially in America. But unfortunately, that isn’t the sole reason people reacted so swiftly.
Some of the most prolific people the Smash world has ever known are named, including some who have been on stage as representatives for Nintendo at major events; people who have hundreds of thousands of online followers, and people who have been interviewed right here, on Nintendo Life
Because this week, a watershed moment is occurring within the competitive Smash Bros. community, a key EVO franchise. By both collective effort and individual bravery, dozens and dozens of individuals have come forth to publicly recount experiences of abuse within the competitive Smash scene.
The experiences range from sexual harassment to emotional abuse, rape, and sex with minors (statutory rape). A great many of these accounts name their abusers – although some don’t, presumably for fear of retaliation. This is not the first time an allegation has emerged within the Smash community, but it certainly is the most by volume and by public outrage.
(Over 60 of these accusations and growing have been catalogued in this Reddit thread, alongside statements from the accused, when applicable. These are being linked here despite often being graphic, unnerving, and violent, but we deem the acknowledgement of these stories to be essential. Please, exercise full discretion before reading.)
Some of the most prolific people the Smash world has ever known are named, including some who have been on stage as representatives for Nintendo at major events; people who have hundreds of thousands of online followers, and people who have been interviewed right here, on Nintendo Life.
Nairoby “Nairo” Quezadahas, a top player and online personality, has been accused by fellow pro Zack “CaptainZack” Lauth of maintaining a sexual relationship with him while he was a minor and paying money to keep it quiet for years. Quezadahas rescinded a previous public denial of this crime and issued an apology.
Perennial competitor and Facebook streaming star Gonzalo “ZeRo” Barrios was accused by former housemate and player Jackie ”Josh” Choe of displaying adult material in front of her while she was a minor. After two denials and further accusations by others, Barrios later admitted to attempting to solicit pornography from minors online while he was 19, then dismantled his online presence.
Former Twitch employee and popular commentator D'Ron "D1" Maingrette was accused of rape in 2016 by community member Kaitlyn "KTDominate" Redeker, as well as sexual misconduct by another community member. In response to the allegation of rape, Maingrette does not outright deny it, saying he was too intoxicated to remember.
Smash commentator Richard “Keitaro” King Jr. was accused by his victim as having sex with a minor in 2018 (age 16 while he was 30 at the time of the incident). In a provocative statement, King Jr. confirmed this allegation of statutory rape.
Professional player Troy "Puppeh" Wells accused community member and commentator Cinnamon "Cinnpie" Dunson of maintaining a sexual relationship with him while he was 14 and she was 24. She has not responded to the allegation.
These are just a few of the stories. An utterly shocking amount of them involve statutory rape and sexual coercion. In a statement given to IGN on Thursday, Nintendo said this:
At Nintendo, we are deeply disturbed by the allegations raised against certain members of the competitive gaming community. They are absolutely impermissible. We want to make it clear that we condemn all acts of violence, harassment, and exploitation against anyone and that we stand with the victims.
At least one video hosted on Nintendo’s YouTube account profiling Quezadahas has been set to private.
How does the gaming community handle this type of overwhelming reckoning? How does the Smash Bros. community, specifically, deal with this level of unconscionable behaviour committed by even some of its most trusted members?
There are no easy answers. There are, however, tell-tale patterns that need discussing publicly.

How Are These Allegations Unique To The Smash Bros. Community?
Smash has been a competitive game for a very long time, relative to most, which means we have a lot of unpacking to do. Theoretically, you can trace tournaments back to the release of the first game in the series in 1999, though major, organized tournaments did not begin until roughly 2004. By any count, that’s around two decades spanning multiple social movements for a game played around the world. If there are uncomfortable secrets hiding, logically, there is a ton of time to account for.
Also, because of its history, the infrastructure of Smash Bros. has created more opportunity for things to remain hidden behind closed doors.
Smash is the most grassroots competitive fighting game of its stature (that is just a nice way of saying “unfunded”). But this also speaks to how for most of its existence, the game has not benefited from online infrastructures, officially sanctioned circuits, or any of the other luxuries most mainstream competitive games receive. That means to play this game at the highest level, you generally have to travel a lot. For years, the community has been crashing sofas, squishing into cars, sharing hotel rooms, and more or less sacrificing all semblance of personal space to create every single scene, local and national. Has abuse thrived under these conditions? Quite possibly.
And finally, this cannot be overstated enough: Smash Brothers is a game for everyone. That means it attracts everyone; older adults, 20-somethings, 30-somethings, and yes, lots of children and young people.
This is not to imply an attraction with a narrower, older demographic is excused from preventative intervention. Of course it isn’t. But rather, it is flat-out amoral to remove Smash Bros.-related gatherings from this context.
Why? Because anything that attracts people of all ages – especially children, young people, and vulnerable demographics – necessarily needs heightened societal expectations and preventative measures put in place by its organizers. This includes tournaments and, yes, social gatherings that are open to the public (a disturbing amount of abuse happened, by several accounts, in one house). This principle is absolutely no different than major sports gatherings, playgrounds, schools, fairs or all-age concerts.
For better and, in this case, far for the worse, the Smash scene has irreversibly hurt people by its extremely open-door culture.
What's Happening Elsewhere In The Fighting Game Community?
This is not to imply that many of these allegations describe evil perpetrators in some dark alley squirrelled away from the spotlight. This is far from the truth, because that is simply not how sexual harassment and sexual violence occurs, on average.
In America where these accusations occurred, the vast majority of all sexual assault victims are under 30 years of age. 8 out of 10 rapes are committed by someone known by the victim. Almost a whopping 80% of sexual assaults go unreported, a stat explained by the US Department of Justice as due to “...fear of reprisal or getting the offender in trouble, believing that police would not or could not do anything to help, and believing the crime to be a personal issue or too trivial to report.”
All of these widely-reported numbers uncannily depict the majority of the victims’ stories here: young people, especially women (but certainly not excluding men), being hurt by close friends or role-models inside their lives, then internalizing the repercussions for, in many cases, years.
Too much power was given and taken by individuals, and not enough oversight occurred. And it so happens that the qualities of this particular community – close-knit, attractive to young people, and a disproportionate gender ratio – all exacerbate these hotbed conditions where abuse thrives.
This could have been a warning to organizers and community members. It wasn’t. But it can change.
What Needs To Be Done, Now
The story at the beginning of this article is hypothetical, but it’s also one of the most common ways these tragedies repeatedly begin. How that set-up (and ones like it) end in real-life will depend on how we as a society, as an organized fanbase, and as individuals choose to react to this mess.
First and foremost, we, as a culture, need to believe victims. Coupled with statistics of underreporting, the National Sexual Violence Resource Center places false rape reports at a single-digit probability and as low as 2%. And yet predictably, Reddit threads with thousands of fans of the abusers and people on social media are accosting the victims (be warned: verbal abuse features heavily).
Is this really who we are?
Yes, nuance can exist within a wide range of complicated, messy, and difficult situations. Restorative justice practices could be a great model for the community over punitive justice. But when a person on the other side of the screen reveals to the entire world personal sexual trauma, we should take that as an opportunity to listen. It is a remarkably vulnerable act.
Tournament organizers need to do a better job of providing adequate safety to its participants. This includes but is not limited to: clearly communicated values, avenues for anonymous reporting, zero-tolerance policies for abuse, swift reaction times to issues, training volunteers to spot abuse, and much more. Sounds like a lot of work? Well, bringing together a bunch of people to one place is a big responsibility. Smash events that already do some of these things, both big and small, quite clearly are in need of improvement.
Professional esports, in general, exist within the greater context of a world that breeds abuse, not outlier villains. Thus, all communities will always be at risk of abuse. Working on and investing in these issues just can never stop
Moreover, some within the Smash community have scrutinized the common practice of after-parties and alcohol at events. Perhaps the community has proven it cannot be safe with these things after all.
Finally, this problem neither began nor ends with these individuals. Possibly the most misquoted platitude of all-time – “a few bad apples” – needs to be reunited with the rest of its saying: “...spoils the bunch”. In other words, professional esports, in general, exist within the greater context of a world that breeds abuse, not outlier villains. Thus, all communities will always be at risk of abuse. Working on and investing in these issues just can never stop.
Outing criminals is only part of what needs to happen here. Understanding what counts as sexual abuse, not waffling over what needs to happen, and helping these and future victims is how we create a culture of accountability for organizers and community leaders, as well as a safe scene for everyone in and around it.
It's also worth noting that these lessons can – and indeed should – be extended to all games which have representation within the world of esports, not just Smash.
It’s not yet clear if charges will be pressed on all or any of these abusers, even in cases where they, perhaps unwittingly, confessed to serious crimes over social media (all instances of accused players with sponsors have resulted in the severances of their sponsorships). Nor is there a uniform answer for how to handle this all. It’s also not clear if this tornado of abuse will act as PR poison, swaying Nintendo even further away from a large community they already stay distanced from (economic support does reduce violence).
Honestly, that should be the furthest thing from the minds of most community members. If there’s any hope for Smash Bros. to continue growing in the way it has, we need to start fixing these things, and we need to do it now.
What can EVO do to address the issues relating to its events, and does it have a future after this? What does the future of the competitive Smash Bros. scene look like if scandals like this cause Nintendo to distance itself even further from the community? How can the competitive gaming scene as a whole change to make sure this kind of abuse never happens again in the future?
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Well gee, I hope this doesn't affect Nintendo's love for the GC controller, still the best controller I have ever used.
Thank you to Nintendo Life for letting me speak on this topic. Please be kind to each other in the comments.
Abuse is a human problem. Institutions will always have it, because they cannot control free will, and often cannot possibly know when someone is about to do something vile. For this reason we cannot blame institutions for an individual’s lack of moral discipline or their narcissism. We can only blame them for mishandling these cases, and even then we need to be realistic about how much blame they are actually warranted in terms of culpability.
@mesome713 nintendo has ran plenty of online tournaments for ultimate already, but they've all been mediocre at best and horrible at worst. i'm not saying that nintendo shouldn't host online tournaments, but if nintendo were to stop in-person tournaments from happening, competitive ultimate would surely die.
I mean, it can only go up from here, right? ... Right? :/
We are part of the Smash Community by proxy, and by default. We play Smash, we discuss Smash, we're in.
Abuse can happen in any community. And I'm saying this while also being sorry for the victims of it. However, we shouldn't demonize the game we love just because someone playing it made a mistake (or several). Period.
@EmmatheBest lets hope so
People need to teach their kids and each other what abuse is and how to look out for it, avoid it, and call it out when it happens. That is how we get things back to normal. Witch hunts are not the correct way to do it, abuse is systemic just like with racism.
Eye opening article, NL, but a good call to action. It's disturbing this is so widespread.
the smash community is currently in a crappy situation, but im sure by the end of this we'll see a better and more connected smash community as a result.
as for EVO, well, that's probably dead. im gonna assume that EVO...can't really recover from this. if CEO is still gonna be a thing once offline tournaments start back up again, that'll probably take EVO's spot as THE tournament of the summer
@mesome713 did you just skip past the part of puppeh and cinnimon?
It's beyond effed up, and like the article says, this whole dynamic is not exclusive to smash bros or esports. There is a way bigger problem of sexual abuse and gaslighting in positions of power.
@mesome713 "Guys can be real scum of the earth at times."
Wow, congratulations, that's very toxic. You also must've missed the accounts of the female abusers in the article. 😒
Ok. I’ll share something personal in the hopes that it helps people.
Without getting into details, I have been publicly sexually assaulted a few times in my life. As a man, not only is it embarrassing, but people sweep it under the rug. They don’t listen. In one case, I was groped and there were eye witnesses and my group of friends still didn’t believe me.
There are people who cry wolf. Gold diggers, people out for revenge. It's so easy to just get someone in trouble because you’re upset at them and you want to accuse them to get them in trouble. That happened to me 20 years ago, and to be falsely accused of something because of a bad breakup is terrifying. Not only that, but it undermines things when people have legitimate claims!
My wife was in a church from a very young age, and people in her church were groomed from a young age to think that sex with elders was fine. The head pastor tried numerous times to get my wife drunk and try to have sex with her. Thankfully, decades later the church is being sued by HUNDREDS of victims. I hope they see justice.
I’m not sharing these things with strangers on the net easily. You see me comment here a lot and I genuinely want to help. Here is my advice, seeing as I’ve had the unfortunate experience of being on every side of this.
LEARN MARTIAL ARTS. Get stronger. Get fit with weights. Anything that you do that makes you stronger and more assertive will make the recovery process a little easier. I’ve been training martial arts for 20 years. After being at knifepoint as a kid, and after playing so many fighting games as a kid, I had this burning desire to learn. Trust me, it helps.
Do not stand for abuse. If you see it happening to someone else, CALL IT OUT IMMEDIATELY. We live in a society where people are content to watch people fight and tape it for YouTube, rather than break up the fight. Don't be that guy that watches. Be the assertive, strong person that helps stop. It's already very confusing for victims of assault. You add to the confusion by being a bystander. Be a helper, be an enabler and help get these people out of their jam.
If you have a friend who went through trauma, DO NOT TRY TO SOLVE THEIR TRAUMA. There are professionals who specialize in that sort of thing that are better than you at solving and helping them understand their pain. Let the professionals do their job, and in the meantime, be as supportive, kind and as good a listener as you can be. Listening means being quiet and listening. Your friend isn’t always coming to you for answers, they may just need to let out their frustration. You can be more of a support to a friend in need as a listener, rather than a solver, sometimes!
There’s a lot more I can say, but finally. REPORT YOUR ABUSER. Don’t fear retaliation. Be strong and brave and know that in 2020, there are more people willing to support and believe you than before.
If anyone needs help or just needs to talk, I’m open. I can’t solve your problems, but I’m a good listener, and as being a martial arts instructor for most of my life, I’ve worked directly with victims of abuse to try and empower them and give them tools to fight back, so I have a little bit of experience.
Thank you.
We need more women in the Smash game also, this will help bring more females to play the game. And please Nintendo, we need black characters. It's 2020, not 1920.
Some serious regulation required in some form or another.
All I can really add to this topic, but yes, clearly serious regulation is required.
Also if anyone is guilty they are punished appropriately and the victims receive the help they need to get past this.
@mesome713
Your comments are not helpful and exactly the reason why the likes of Eurogamer do not open up comments for stories such as this.
Frankly I am amazed Nintendo Life did.
@TheFullAndy Hopefully it's because NL is giving the benefit of the doubt to the community. Feel free to report his comments, if they bother you. I agree, they are not helping at all.
Hopefully more people talk about this in an understanding way.
I don't think Nintendo are losing anything by seeing the competitive scene for Smash fall to pieces.
Really tough to read some of that stuff. But I agree it's necessary to cover and expose at any opportunity.
@ritouf It's sad, because the FGC also has this powerful sense of camaraderie. It really does bring people together. Yet, predators hide in the most beautiful scenery.
@TG16_IS_BAE
Your comment was very brave and actually added to the constructive discussion Nintendo Life admirably wants to have, and I hope they get it.
Full respect to you.
I will sit the rest of this one out however as I can already see it will probably be a disaster.
@bluemage1989 It certainly hurts their reputation. If Nintendo is smart, they would at the very least donate to foundations that help victims of sexual abuse and make a big deal that they did.
Really good article. I hope the victims will get the support they deserve and that the Smash community takes this seriously and works to better itself.
It's time to defund EVO. May we never see this event again. Do the right thing Nintendo, remove your games from such dirt.
@FrowningCoach As a victim myself, and after coming in contact with so many victims, including my wife, and after also being falsely accused myself...
I have mixed feelings. But most of the time, when it's real, it's easy to tell. There's a level of visceral emotional energy that you simply cannot fake. It's especially difficult when you are talking with someone who 30 years ago was molested as a child or something.
This is the hardest thing to deal with, because oftentimes there is no witness, and rarely signs of physical abuse.
I have no solution, other than take it one case at a time and follow your instincts.
@mesome713 Exactly. Average weekend chicago; 67 Shot, 13 Fatally, Over Fourth of July Weekend In Chicago: Police; 9 minors. Or how about crazy stats over in Baltimore.
We do not need to be funding stuff!
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@FrowningCoach As the piece clearly states, several of the accused have since apologised, so the guilt is already established.
@mesome713 @Seananigans Please keep your comments within the community rules - derailing this comments section helps nobody.
@TG16_IS_BAE of course would be a nice gesture especially as some of those accused have shared the stage with Nintendo and while they may not have known about the character of those people it would still be good to see them being proactive. I simply meant in general terms the Smash scenes implosion is no great loss to Nintendo. You see a lot of people saying they promote the games but if we are being honest id be surprised if these players have any reach beyond people who would already be buying the game anyway.
@TG16_IS_BAE Very true. I know some indonesians who were head hunted during the late 80s/90s for being Chinese/christian in Adjeh. Ladies were being brutally gang "molested" and decapitated, or set ablaze. But none of them have identified as victims though.
I am just saying there is no right way in dealing with horrible stuff, but reminding oneself of what happened is like walking forward while looking backwards. (My opinion though) Where would Germany be now if they took the victim role after ww2.
But you are right. Ill just say whatever nasty stuff happens to anyone really just ..Sucks but its up to a person to move on or stick with it.
I feel it is better for me to abstain from commenting in this comment section. (honestly, no offense intended)
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@Damo Yeah, forgive me for that, figured was perfect opportunity to spread Smash awarness.But it is derailing.
@FrowningCoach There was nothing in your comment that came across as offensive. Talking about this stuff, even as a bystander, is extremely difficult. It's a sad thing that humans do this stuff to one another, and it's something that has no clear-cut solution. I respect a lot of what you say.
@GealachNua Unless I'm reading the wrong comment, this person opens up with saying "People need to teach their kids and each other what abuse is and how to look out for it, avoid it, and call it out when it happens."
I'm not sure how that is victim blaming.
what is the most ironic he was such a SJW preacher and attacking anyone for any slight yet was a fffffffffffffffffffff pedo.
@TG16_IS_BAE I want to commend you for sharing your life experiences. It couldn't have been easy to do. And this is not to dismiss what happened to you. But there tends to be an undermining and dismissals of victims and their abuse in general, even without the spector of an accusation possibly being false. It's why alot of individuals don't come forward to begin with.
Again, I am not at all putting down your experiences. Just that there seems to be other societal factors at play that, for whatever reason, causes people's default reaction to further victimizing victims of abuse.
What the hell is wrong with all these seedy Smash players? Never knew there was such an ugly underbelly lurking about.
Speaking strictly for myself, I've been gaming since the Atari 2600 days and honestly have never once been interested in the "pro gaming" trend, whether streaming or prize tournaments. For me, videogames are a personal entertainment experience, whether playing alone or with friends/family. I never really even got into online multiplayer as I found it way too toxic (which, when one considers that, is it really any surprise that such behavior would spill over into publicly visible people such as streamers or "pro" gamers)? I'd have to imagine playing at that level there is absolutely a lot of toxicity.
Games should be fun. That may mean different things for different gamers, but the bottom line is, we all play what we like because we enjoy it. If you enjoy playing competitively or watching rather than playing them, then by all means, enjoy. But if that simple, core purpose gets hijacked by anything, they quickly lose their way.
@mesome713 https://twitter.com/puppehssb/status/1278335061243441157?lang=en
Bruh Cinnipie is the reason this whole movement started
Do your research
@UmbreonsPapa Thank you! I wish I could actually share more, but, yeah, Nintendo site and all! I feel your support, and I hope that as a community we can come together to help people more and more.
According to keitaro's account, he was basically rap*d. Why is he apologizing?
@mesome713 there is a great German quote by Albert Einstein that pretty much sums up your personality and ability for discourse:
"Der Horizont vieler Menschen ist ein Kreis mit Radius Null - und das nennen sie ihren Standpunkt."
@TheFullAndy amen to that! 🤜🏼👏🏼
@Cool_Squirtle Some victims of abuse go through a phase where they feel immense amounts of guilt for having gone through the abuse. I don't fully understand the psychology behind it, but it starts as a "how could this have happened to me," to a "I'm a bad person for allowing this to happen."
Obviously, the latter is false, but this is what happens in some people's minds, and it can be very difficult to pull themselves out of that mindset.
They need support.
@Cool_Squirtle I'm pretty sure he also said "I didn't know she wasn't 18" and "Before I knew it I was inside her"
RelaxAlax being exposed for r*ping his ex in addition to the evidence suggesting that both him and his editor were manipulating her emotionally and psychologically probably hit me a little harder than the accusations against D1, Keitaro and Anti. He looked like a genuinely humble man, but then again, they all did.
If anything I treat this as a lesson to myself to stop taking content creators I love at face value just because their content is great. They can be very different people when the camera isn't on them
@TG16_IS_BAE I agree. And I know for some, this isn't the ideal place for these conversations or even the topic matter is uncomfortable or ideal. But I think it's okay to allow space, even on a gaming focus site, to allow for it's community members to have these discussions. In a constructive and informative manner obviously.
Or if you're not informed, admitting as much and listening to your fellow community members who may know more about it.
I think a lot of this wouldn't happen if.. honestly, smash players were more mature and the game wasn't as pervasive throughout multiple age demographics. Maybe this can be solved by having a junior league(ages up to 17) and a senior league(ages 18+) for all official smash tournaments with harsh repurcussions if the two leagues mingle in any way, shape, or form. I know that won't work 100% but it could be a start. Also just talking to younger people about what sexual harassment actually looks like and teaching them how to treat the opposite sex correctly would cut down on a lot of this as well.
@Cool_Squirtle Right, a lot of what is taught to kids about growing up is kind of lost because the topics are so uncomfortable to address, and some people think that by protecting their kids from even hearing about the stuff that it makes them immune.
In fact, it actually does the opposite: it makes children grow up naive, and in their adulthood they lose out on any coping mechanism that their parents may have been able to give them.
I have met a lot of kids (as a martial arts teacher) that I envy for their naivety. You look at them and ask yourself, "how do I break it to them that there are bad people, and how do I teach them to deal with them without hurting their worldview?"
@Cool_Squirtle We should mainly focus on teaching pedo people to not be pedo people. Our society created them by glamourizing sexuality in video games.
How many times do we see pedo games and over sexualization in movies and music. Our society created them, now we have to erase them.
We have to stop supporting such things. Speak with your money. Money can do some powerful things. Defund any that associate with said offenses.
Informative article, NL! A scary dose of reality, and a call for change!
@mesome713 we got a black villager..........thats about it
@Seananigans I was referring to this comment:
"As if that removes the severity of the female abusers? Get the ***** out of here. You disgust me. You are part of the problem as to why sexual abuse of males is often not taken seriously. It doesn't matter the gender. Abuse is abuse. Just because males outnumber females doesn't make this any less horrible. You should be ashamed."
That was needlessly aggressive, even though your point is correct. Responding in such a manner only causes more problems.
Great article, it’s not often that this level of detail and thought is put into an article on a gaming website. It’s clearly a systemic problem, same as in the film and TV industries. While there’s no quick solution, there really has to be avenues in which young people have somebody to talk to within the community, willing to listen and ready to act to ensure their safety. It would be easier if Nintendo took more of an active interest in the scene, like they do with the Pokemon tournaments but the community have to rally together to prove that they can survive without these abusers. The wider gaming community is currently having a watershed moment when it comes to realising the full extent of abuse and I think we’ll just end up seeing more and more stories like this as the year goes on.
@TG16_IS_BAE @Cool_Squirtle @Jokerwolf
I couldn't agree more that proper and constant education to the youth would make a massive difference. But over the generations there's been a major shift in parenting and balance of power. In short parents don't want to do what parents should be doing.
Take this for a good example. I have close family and friends that work in school districts. They're constantly dealing with parents that put all the blame on the teachers, principals, faculty etc for why their kid has bad grades. They blame the school for why their kid doesn't turn in homework. When their kid gets suspended and denied access to the school dance because he/she decided to bring alcohol to school and get drunk they actually DEFEND him/her. They fight the school boards over this stuff for crying out loud. Those are just the tip of the iceberg of what is happening now. Meanwhile their kid's room has all the latest video game consoles, smartphones, tablets, gaming rigs and chairs, streaming subscriptions etc and a shiny new car when they get their license.
There's definitely room for change in how parents can take on the role of educating their children to make them better prepared.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If anyone is found guilty, then they need to be dealt with accordingly. The “believe victims” manta is dangerous though as innocent people such as Welsh soccer player Ched Evens was wrongfully convicted (and later acquitted) on the word of a deceitful accuser.
It can be sexual, emotional, or physical, but it is never okay, and it is 100% not deserved to anyone. I am very sorry to all those who are victims.
@Seananigans your comment was needlessly rude to those commenting. The editor for this article specifically said “be nice to each other in the comments”
@RustedHero Couldn't agree more, as I have encountered it first-hand. To sum it up short: the iPad (and other things like it) is the new babysitter. Easier to set up a kid with an electronic device than to actually raise them!
And I recognize that not all parents are like this, and I have met tons of parents that are doing the tough job of actually raising their kids!
@graysoncharles those who admitted to the crimes they have been have accused will get no sympathy from me. I particularly disgusted by ZeRo’s conduct.
Let's rewind.
I was one of what would turn out to be a minority of 4chan /v/ posters (and commenters on other sites and forums) that were vehemently against topics and threads that gave public celebrity to eSports players or competitive YouTubers and streamers. What was the reason for the reluctance?
THIS. Tragedies like this, right here. Tragedies that we had already seen in spheres like politics, sports, and even music — and history was ripe to repeat itself.
It is fine to give earned praise people's achievements that resulted from their dedication for a while.
It is NOT good to place flawed humans on pedestals on an ongoing basis, thereby allowing them the privilege of a turned blind eye.
I'll be praying for all of the victims and their loved ones.
@BLAZINOAH I partially agree with you. I have issues with people blindly following things, yet, in the case of sexual misconduct there isn't always readily available proof or witnesses.
I think what can be said, always support the victim. In the initial stages, that's important in legit cases. If it's something false, hopefully it will get rooted out. There is so much grey area here it's insane.
@mesome713 "Sounds like a fake rumor to me."
Translation: Women can and never do anything illegal.
Wow. 😳 YOU are toxic. Wokesvillers like you are just as narrow-minded and toxic as the far right.
I couldn't care less about sex, gender, race, etc.. If one commits a crime, it's equally egregious, and one deserve an equal charge. That's how justice is supposed to work.
I don't seem to understand this right. What's the connection between those sexual abusers and Super Smash Bros.(community as a whole)?
@KingBowser86 I've been thinking about that a lot. In my YouTube recommendations I'll get these random videos from "influencers," as they like to call themselves, that have millions of views/subscribers. Sometimes, I watch out of curiosity, and it's just a chick talking about her hair, or a dude talking about his new sports car. I honestly have no idea why such boring people garner such huge followings.
You make a great point about putting celebrities on pedestals. That needs to go away, soon.
@MrBlacky Some of the abusers are competitive smash players, and much of the abuse that is being reported is stemming from events related to smash.
A depressing read, but a good article.
@mesome713 are you for real? 🙄🙄🙄 videogames and media have created pedophiles? You attended school, didn't you? It is this kind of "knowledge" that you use to create 'arguments ' so that nobody in his/her right mind can take you seriously.
@EVIL-C They’re not woke, they’re just a troll. I’ve seen them say stuff the opposite way on other articles.
@mesome713 maybe take some time to educate yourself... i have even handpicked two sources for you.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://kb.osu.edu/bitstream/handle/1811/37221/James_Gentry_thesis.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj7-7LlgLnqAhWEyKQKHWi8C6c4ChAWMAl6BAgIEAE&usg=AOvVaw02jxndqbYotNaeF0BhxpRQ
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/pedophiles-online-sex-abuse.amp.html
@nessisonett There was another user called something like "SJW_PIxie_Girl", or something like that, who seemed to have disappeared. But both these users do troll and express similar very shallow and double standard attitudes. Plus is all-in on this smokescreen culture war. I say smokescreen because it distracts from the real shady BS going on. 😒
It just proves you got people with terrible judgment or an broken moral compass. Still would suggest we do wait as I would not be surprised if some accusations will end up being false.
I'm the end the community will improve after this.
@TG16_IS_BAE Yeah I've been in the same situation about what you said about You Tube recommendations and curiosity of these "influencers". I just don't get it and it makes me nuts. My girlfriend follows a lot of them and whenever she's decides to show me something I always roll the eyes. LOL I usually respond to her with why I love rock and roll so much. You don't see the celebrities I look up to like Slash or Joe Perry messing around with that nonsense. They're a celebrity for doing something and looking cool doing it! Now that's what I call a content creator.
@SoManyHaveDied black Pokemon Trainer, black Pit, black Inkling
@Seananigans I don’t want to get into an internet fight, (cause their dumb) and I don’t think that male abusers are any different than female abusers. I am completely neutral. YOU on the other hand are stating your opinions like it’s a fact. It’s not.
@Seananigans But I do agree that the internet troll needs to get a life.
@TG16_IS_BAE
So Smash Bros (or the community) created those abusers?
All I know is that Nintendo isn't touching the Esports scene with a ten-inch pole. Or hell, I think many other companies are going to follow suit. Who wants to associate with this mess? Another thing is EVO's done; nothing is coming back from this.
It's very disgusting seeing all these allocations and what has come to light.... Very disturbing.
But I think this will be a great way to clean up and start new tournaments and it'll be awesome. It'll be a big F you to all these pedos and abusers to say that they are nothing and smash (as well as other games) will move on and we will grow.
And it'll be high time that new and upcoming players get the spotlight, and even different voices will be heard. And I hope for better rules be set in place (no alcohol present during tournaments or when minors are present, parent/ guardian must be with youth, no after parties with minors, etc)
@mesome713
Seriously their were plenty of female gamers who have either bin recently accused or bin proven to have done these despicable acts.
We should always listen to victims and encourage them to come forward. Believing victims by default is a dangerous mindset however which is why in the U.S. people are innocent until proven guilty. Both sides need to be heard and evidence presented before someone is deemed guilty or a liar by anyone.
It also irks me that the victims won't go through the proper avenues (police, lawyers, etc.) when making accusations. Twitter is not the place to do this. We will have idiots taking sides and sending death threats and that doesn't solve anything.
Esports and Influencers have had a very very high proportion of these issues as unlike other sports and advertising/marketing - the player and influencer have no regulations, are not part of a larger frame work they are just a “name” they hold the power and have never been coached or regulated.
It attracts an unsavoury element and the hero worship that goes on brings out the worst in many, as well as the greed and entitlement. It’s a toxic combination. Unless you can regulate it and remove the solo gun elements to both it will continue to be toxic. Many of the big influencers that have Been caught in wrong doing are soon back and sponsored as their baying audience forgives them and blames everyone else.
Victim blaming and accusing them of not going down the right channels is the worst response.
A lot of these accused freely admit their wrong doing. Apologise - say they’ve changed and grown since yesterday and carry on churning in the coin.
@RustedHero LOL I get you, 100%
@MrBlacky No, why would you think such a thing?
@Ttimer5 I too, hope the FGC recovers from this. There are so many good players and so many good people. It needs recovery, but it doesn’t need to be shut down permanently, as some people have been suggesting. The community needs caring a love.
This happens in almost all communities!
It's one of the reasons Nintendo stays out of it.
And where are the parents? Why are underaged people travelling across the world to play in unofficial, mismanaged, unsafe tournaments? Things like this are bound to happen.
The fault is by the parents who let their children go into unknown territory.
@TG16_IS_BAE Exactly. Why would people want to punish these victims even further by cancelling the pro Smash scene? They haven't been through enough already? The victims obviously love Smash and gaming in general and it's not fair to end it because these disgusting actions came to light. We may discourage others from doing the same. We need to move forward and find a way to repair the community and competitive scene.
@WaterWooloo Heck, I wish I was good enough to participate in fighting game tournaments, but I just can't commit the time. It looks so fun, and the strats they pull off are truly masterful and entertaining to watch. I'm saying that because it really is a good event to watch and participate in. I hope it just keeps getting more and more support!
The best thing for Nintendo to do now is to end the series. Continuing it will do nothing but hurt Nintendo's reputation.
@Tasuki It’s not anything with the game itself
@Tasuki This just as easily could've been Fortnite if it wasn't so heavily regulated by Epic Games. Cancelling Smash would also punish the victims and may discourage more from coming forward. Plus they're getting enough death threats already. This has to be a troll.
@Seananigans yeah mate, I’m all for equality 👍🏼
Doesnt say nothing. Bad people are everywhere, smash doesnt have anything to do here
@GealachNua I am not blaming anyone, I am giving a solution. That does not make what happens to those who get abused less important. The problem is people virtue signaling when people are putting forth ways to help prevent this kind of behavior period.
Any hope that Nintendo would officially embrace the competitive Smash Bros community has been erased. Heck, any hope that Nintendo would embrace any competitive gaming community is gone.
Ultimately, the people who compete at these competitive gaming tournaments are just that: people. They should be praised for their skill in playing the game, not in their ability to be a decent human being, because it's pretty obvious that many of these people are not even remotely close to being decent human beings.
@BLAZINOAH I disagree. Innocent until proven guilty is important in the court systems because being convicted of a crime has huge ramifications. When it comes to public opinion, we have every right to believe victims if we have good reason to do so, just as sponsors have every right to withdraw from accused abusers even if they haven't been brought to court.
I will agree, however, that we should never go so far as to take the law into our own hands or harass the accused, for instance.
Just, please don't generalize the competitive Smash community with things like: "I knew the competitive Smash community was bad" or "And this is why Nintendo doesn't fully support the competitive Smash community". As an outsider looking in, it's easy for you to say these things, especially if you have gripes of your own with the competitive side of the game.
The competitive Smash community will be stronger after this. The stories coming out are from many years of silence, and this will hopefully give victims the courage to come out sooner, and will hopefully give potential abusers a look at the repercussions they will face if they act upon their twisted desires.
@Jokerwolf Fully agreed. Abuse is learned, not inherent. Vast majority of people who abuse have been abused themselves at some point in their lives and never learned to cope with it in a positive manner.
@TG16_IS_BAE
But there must be some connections between those abusers and Smash Bros. specifically. I mean, that's all they seem to have in common.
Just give them a lifetime ban from tournaments or whatever and move on. The legal system is responsible for the rest.
I mean, the UK is a nation with A LOT of aoccer fans and under those tens of thousands and more soccer fans surely are people how abused someone or something else. Do those people say anything about the "soccer community" and its future? I hope not.
@WaterWooloo I'll say this. Many victims have gone through the proper channels in the past and have s been dismissed or revictimized. Am I suggesting we handle these things through social media from here on out? Of course not. But just suggesting they go to the police or whomever, when those particular parties haven't always been supportive, isn't that simple.
@Deliesh You have the right to believe what you want, and I agree that it's fine as long as no one harasses or takes action against the victim or accused.
My issue is when massive amounts of people take one side or the other to the extent that public opinion demonizes one or the other without knowing what happened for certain. Victims or accused people's lives and careers can be ruined just from public opinion which isn't fair to either.
Taking sides should not be encouraged without ample evidence.
@UmbreonsPapa I understand that going through the proper channels can lead to similar results. However, Twitter cannot dole out justice or provide legal counsel. Also, cops and lawyers usually don't send out death threats like randos on Twitter will (and have). Testimonies should be published on Twitter in tandem with legal counsel which gives much more credibility to the accusations in the eyes of most.
I just want to point out I can certainly see why @GealachNua took some issue with the comment they commented on.
I absolutely think it's important for parents to stress and keep stressing what abusive and inappropriate behavior is and looks like and if you find yourself on the receiving end of that kind of abuse, tell an adult. And if they don't believe you, keep telling an adult. I absolutely agree.
But at the same time, abusers can come from the most unexpected places (or unexpected from a parent/guardians perspective). And a parent can do or say all the right things to equip their child to say something. But alot of the times, those abusers are people that a child knows and trust. They have most likely have an idea on how that family dynamic works. How that child responds to a situation when thrown off guard. And again, a parent can do and say all the right things (and I like to think a decent majority of us do the best we can). But sometimes, it unfortunately isn't enough.
So I can imagine it being hurtful and painful, if something were to happen to your child, to hear comments that may imply you didn't or don't do those things with the intent to keep your child safe
@WaterWooloo I am certainly not suggesting social media be the default for addressing any kind of issue. If there are other methods that are less public, less messy and are not going to possibly make a victim of sexual assault/abuse feel like a pile of crap, then I'm all for it. I'm just not dismissing social media entirely as it has allowed for people to share their stories and being a great equalizer in at least getting the ball rolling in justice being served when more official channels seem to be dragging their feet or don't care. And you're right, the flip side to that is that you do get crazies sending death threats and nastiness to individuals. And that's not acceptable, regardless of whether they are guilty or not
@MrBlacky I’m not sure where you are going with this, can you elaborate for me to better understand you?
@UmbreonsPapa A lot of wisdom in your post, I hope people see that.
Well they always bitched about Nintendo not recognizing them, I'm sure this will help. 🤦🏽♂️
Edit: Typo.
I wrote out a few paragraphs, then deleted them a couple times and started over. The main point I was getting at is that I used to go to anime conventions as a teen, and was involved with a group of cosplayers. So many times I can remember turning a blind eye to ill intent, or just downright taking part in problematic behavior, without understanding the full dynamics of the situation.
At the time we thought it was "so friggin cool" that industry folks would let us hang out with them and get us drunk even though we were underage. Now without the rose tinted glasses, I get that these guys who are barely even famous and in their mid-30s to 40s going to conventions across the country and basically finding new skimpily dressed teens every weekend.
It's not smash, or even the gaming community. It's basically just convention culture. I'm not saying that all conventions are bad, but the perpetrators gonna keep perpetratin' until the community pushes back.
The Smash players have always come off as creeps, they don’t bathe and they refuse to play anything newer than Melee. I mean what is the point of playing the same exact game over and over when the sequels are far better?
Reset the clock.
@UmbreonsPapa Then we agree lol. And social media should not be dismissed. It is a very powerful tool.
@TG16_IS_BAE
Why do many (in this case the Smash Bros. community) have to suffer and take responsibility for the mistake of a few (i this case abusers)?
Unless, of course, Smash Bros and/or the community as a whole would advocate or "fuel" such behavior.
@Cool_Squirtle
"I think a lot of this wouldn't happen if.. honestly, smash players were more mature and the game wasn't as pervasive throughout multiple age demographics."
There is a huge difference between being immature and being a sexual abuser and/or pedophile.
And in no way is Nintendo to blame for creating games that appeal to everyone. The abusers and those who protect them are the only ones to blame.
@GealachNua Oh 100% agreed, I just hate how some people think ideas and solutions to a problem means they are victim blaming when the majority of the time that is not what it is meant to do.
@mesome713 There is literally video evidence of Cinnpie (24 at the time) and Puppeh (14 at the time) being touchy feely at a Smash event a few years ago. Look it up. It's genuinely unsettling and backs up Puppeh's claims.
@Desrever It’s incredible how many ones at school who were involved in the Con scene ended up getting involved with cosplayers who were over 30. I cannot help questioning their motives when they actively seek out 14 and 15 year olds to ‘befriend’. The extended ‘nerd’ community is rife with this stuff to be honest, it could come from many different sources such as the prevalence of loli/shota characters, the fact a lot of these older ones are active in the incel community etc. The more people outed, the higher chance this community has to move forward and create something positive. There just has to be more protections in place for all players.
@SSJW Very true, and the wording used. Most people can tell though if someone is being facetious or not in the context of the subject at hand.
Abuse is systemic, the internet is constantly bringing to light this problem and we as a society are self correcting as much as we can, I think this is all still a learning process as well as it is for most of the planet.
Basically we just have to stop it in its tracks whenever we can and call people out, though jumping on the bandwagon too early without evidence in some cases has hurt people who did nothing wrong which is the dark part about all of this.
The online community in most games is pretty horrible to be fair....it’s just another reason why I hate human beings.
@SSJW One bad apple can ruin the bunch. But if quick and decisive action is taken, there can be a restructuring. Requiring parent supervision for minors for starters.
@Nookingtons I generally agree that I couldn't care less about most articles on NL since they have little to do with actual Nintendo news (Brie Larson breaking up with a boyfriend over Super Mario Galaxy). But this is an exception. This is very relevant to Nintendo's competitive scene and should be brought to light.
@SSJW
Which is such a bullcrap. If I start a running club or something and one or two people in my club did something illegal, they are no longer welcome and that's it. No need to think about what those incidents say about my running club (because it has absolutely nothing to do with it) or the future of my club.
I don't really follow this scene as i'm not a E-Sports fan but i tell you what i bet Nintendo are happy they aren't really connected to any of this and chose to distance themselves from E-Sports.
@westman98 There's definitely a correlation between being immature and doing unsavory things. Only an immature person would view people as nothing but sexual objects and manipulate them to that end. And I wasn't blaming Nintendo, just pointing out that smash bros created the perfect storm for sexual harassment if you think about it.
@MrBlacky People in a club aren't competing or providing entertainment for others to enjoy. It's more like if the DJ and bouncers did something illegal. Or if there was a restaurant where you heard a couple of people were fired for spitting in the food. Would you want to go have lunch there? How do you know all the spitters were fired? That's just the natural human reaction. It's unfair but true.
@SSJW Do y'all realize when I say "immaturity" i don't explicitly mean age? You can be mentally immature, emotionally immature, immature in the way you view other people, immature as in naive... etc.
@Cool_Squirtle @SSJW Mentally and emotionally immature people do stupid things without recognizing it's stupid since they're not mature enough (or wise enough) to realize this. Most of these accusations are an obvious case of abuse of power and manipulation in my opinion. They knew it was wrong but they did it anyway and they used their status and fame to do it.
@WaterWooloo I see. Apparently we have different definitions of the word "mature."
@Cool_Squirtle Mature meaning completely developed whether physically, emotionally, etc. I can see how they might be immature (two of them were 19 and 20), but they knew it was wrong and did it anyway. Immaturity doesn't imply unsavory acts. It was abuse plain and simple.
@MrBlacky Ah, that I totally get. Here’s my understanding. Imagine someone cuts you with a knife. You hurt, so you smack their hand away and pull yourself away. That’s a perfectly normal reaction.
Sometimes, when a community is hurt, as a collective they “pull away” from the pain. It’s normal to move away from painful experiences.
Depending on the individuals, they open up again, but only after the cut heals. I hope that helps, with my limited understanding of things.
@Desrever That’s a terrible thing to have had to experience, and you’re right about how predators hide at conventions. Doesn’t make conventions bad, as you say, but it makes the need to take caution more important.
@SSJW Manipulation and abuse have everything to do with a lack of maturity on the abusers part. Mature individuals do their best to lead an upright life. Part of being mature is being honest, part of being immature involves bullying and harassment. It is very deeply rooted in how a person decides to solves problems, either in a child-like way involving manipulation and deceit, or in an adult way, involving honesty and understanding.
I'm sad that stuff like this happens but glad that it got exposed so that we can make a safer competitive enviroment in the future. As a part of a small country's Smash Bros scene I really want to make a better future for our niche hobby.
@TG16_IS_BAE
What I was trying to say is that misbehavior of a few people doesn't say anything about the Smash Bros. community.
Of course, if there's some conspiracy going on and it turns out the Super Smash Bros. community was brought to life to create opportunities for illegal actions, then we have a case.
(And to be clear: I don't give a single f**** about the Smash Bros. community and their "pro gamers")
So we have one story about the CEO of Evo that admitted pretty much to being a pedophiliac serial rapist, and now we have this article the Smash is overrun by creepy mouth breathing nutjobs. Which, really, the latter is something most of us already knew, we just didn't know the extent.
But WTF is it with gaming specifically that seems to be filled with this? The accusations of this sort of thing fly all over the place in the real world as well, and so much of it is overblown power and cash grabs with no real evidence of anything at best and all plays into political agendas. But in gaming, every time these accusations drop, we get "oops, yeah, so, sorry about all the pedorape, I'm a sick puppy....I'm just so naughty..."
I mean, right now Billy Mitchell is looking like the squeakiest clean guy in all of competitive gaming....
The one thing I don't agree with here is immediately believing the victims. Give them the benefit of the doubt, yes. But don't immediately crusade against those being accused. Do you guys not remember the incident with ProJared? We need to make sure that we don't make too quick of a judgement, so that something like that doesn't happen again.
This is awful. Sadly in every sphere of this world there are people who are capable of terrible things. And funnily enough many of these people won’t do terrible things without the opportunity. Sadly it’s taken us 20 years to realise that amateur video game competition mixes minors (some with a hero complex) with some bad people (some in a powerful mentor role). Also it’s baffling, but it’s reflected in DV etc, victims of abuse don’t immediately report it (presumably because of the incremental steps the abuse takes and the grooming and personal relationships they often involve).
Video games WERE my childhood and were part of many of my fondest memories up until my early 20s. But this news makes me so sad, especially since most of my career has been around protecting and caring for children and their families.
Let’s all commend those who were brave enough to break the cycle by speaking out and protect maybe hundreds or thousands of future children from potentially falling into this trap.
One of the things I love about the Nintendo community in particular is that compared to other consoles, the toxic gamer stereotype is not quite as prevalent.
Unfortunately, we still have way more issues than we should.
Video games are becoming more accepted with broad diversity in users and demographics. But issues like this still make it so it's treated like this underground, seedy movement instead of the mainstream hobby it has become today. I think things like reality TV and social media are much more a cesspool than video games, but they seem to be accepted more as normal for some reason.
Also I commend NintendoLife’s editorial staff for not being scared away by a difficult conversation by running this story. These tough conversations need to be had. #metoo and #blacklivesmatter are slowly changing culture and society for the better and who knows, maybe the 21st century will be remember for huge gains in equality. Ignoring these inconvenient conversations only serves to drag out how long abusers can hide/normalise their actions
you all wonder why nintendo doesnt support the scene. also these high power skilled players dont give a flying crap about their fans they just want their money. Nairo in february blocked everywhere because i simply said dont take losing so hard. these kids think they can do whatever they want now Zero, Nairo, cinnpie, keitaro and all these scumbags have to work normal jobs! good! they deserve it also role models? Get out. you dont know them they dont know you. look up to someone who helps you grow.
@Jokerwolf it’s not exactly a witch hunt it a victim can say “she turned me into a newt - here’s a DM where they confessed it”
@GannonBanned Look at what happened to ProJared for example, things were faked and it ruined his life. Look at the Chris D'Elia ***** going on, he has proof that they are lying about what is going on. The problem is you have to let everything come out first.
@NintendoPok I mean, with just a million dollars I could retire right now because I could make my home self sufficient and reduce my monthly spending on bills by almost 1k and live off the interest from the remaining amounts. People live far too much beyond their means.
@SSJW Apparently he took down his response video, but here's a reupload. Its a long one, and I don't want to miss anything in a summary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEqLhjKH8d4
@SSJW I'm not sure what you mean, can you please elaborate?
It doesn't say anything about the smash community, tens of millions of players and like what, maybe ten of them are known sickos. You take tens of millions of people of any group and by the very laws of common sense and basic math, some will be *****. People in positions of notoriety and power often times abuse their notoriety and/or power. This is not exclusive to video games, its not exclusive to anything. Its humanity, we have bad eggs, that's why we deal with them when we find them and weed them out.
@NEStalgia It's not that it is exclusive to gaming, it's that right now there is a lot of awareness of the subject, so it feels amplified. The problem, is that it has been going on right under our noses the whole time.
You'll see the same behavior from politicians, from the clergy at churches (really bad) it's sadly sneaking into lots of different areas in society. The sexually deviant are out there, we just have to try to defend ourselves from them and protect anybody that needs it.
@alexybubble Yes, being quick to judge, with little evidence, can be very damning. However, some cases come about 15 or 20 years later. The church where my wife used to go to is being sued for hundreds of cases of sexual misconduct against children. She too, was a victim of that BS, and that was from the head pastor. Sickening people. But, the problem with this sort of stuff is the grey area. At least in the case of the church, there are close to 300 people reporting cases, both men and women, so the attorneys feel there is enough circumstantial evidence to move forward with their case. Here's to hoping we see justice in all of these events, both the smash ones mentioned in the article and the church.
@SSJW Right, but someone who is mentally deranged is on a different spectrum. They might appear intelligent, they might appear calculated and calm, but they lack social skills that enable them to feel remorse. It goes beyond maturity or not. In other cases, with people who are less mentally derailed, they are grabbing for power or whatever. There's a pretty wide spectrum of people that engage in this negative behavior, sadly.
@SSJW I think that's what they meant when they said, "weed them out," at the end. Sure, it's not very specific, but it can be a start to action. At this point, any meaningful action will be appreciated, to call out people that abuse others.
@NintendoPok I'm not sure Nintendo has been so aware of the Smash Brothers competitive scene. I think they are just realizing that if they have to invest in it, it will take away from their bottom line. Even a company that puts on a great smile, like Nintendo, has their reasons for protecting their income and reputation.
@TG16_IS_BAE my sister was abused and I have to say I'm sorry you were too. This event absolutely disgust me. I cant believe people actually defend these creatures. Even zero. The fact that they havent faced legal charges disgust me.
Q strikes again ... I used to think we had advanced as a society, but all this stuff coming to light about pedophilia and human trafficking tells me otherwise.
2020 has been a terrible year for most people. We in the gaming community have been hit hard, especially in the last month. So many big name gamers have been discovered to have done terrible things. Mini ladd, Lui Calibre, Satellizer are big YouTube/Twitch names and when they were accused it was an eye opener. This sort of behavior can be a part of any group. And while we must stand with the victims we must be wary of people who inevitably/already make false claims. It hurts the real victims and will guaranteeably be used by the abusers as a way to vindicate themselves. We must learn from what we're seeing and better ourselves and our community.
I was quite disappointed to see some very well known figures among those accused, such as Nairo, Keitaro, and ZeRo. It's obviously sad no matter who the perp is, but you like to think the ones at the top of the game are immune to this. Not so.
Right now I'm a little scared that one of my favorite Smash personalities is going to turn out to be guilty of some of this crap. I don't have any reason to suspect it, but I didn't expect the list of perpetrators to be so long, either.
Smash has seemed to me to get an undue share of attention for the negative things that happen in its community, but this article does a good job explaining why it might actually have more problems than other scenes. The game's appeal to kids creates situations where minors can be victimized, and the lack of involvement from Nintendo or some other official entity means less oversight (which is not at all to suggest that Nintendo is somehow responsible for these offenses). The youth and immaturity of many competitive Smashers likely also contributes to the other unsavory stories (unrelated to sexual misconduct) that pop up from time to time.
@TG16_IS_BAE Thanks for sharing.
@Tasuki I bet some predators have played Mario at some point in their lives. Time to end the Mario series.
This is seriously disgusting, I mean, always gamers have the tag of virgins, weirds, rejects, and one would think hey, when they gather together they'll take care of each other right?
I couldn't been more wrong, degradation, racism, thievery, transphobia, sexual assault, PEDOPHILIA!! What the hell!!!?
And a lot of this acusations came from a long time ago, and people denied it, until suddenly they confess, say I'm sorry and dissapear from media, a ban from gaming and presto, that is your big punishment. And of course there are a couple that are just false claims, but considering that a lot of them are suddenly conffesing, it's really difficult to think of somebody being inocent.
I'm wondering what kind of improvements EVO will bring to the competition, but considering even the CEO was outed also, I don't expect a lot of changes.
But seriously, men and women assaulting kids and teens! That one really pissed me off.
I think you have to have some sort of mental deficiency or maturity problem to think e-sports is a stable career choice.
"First and foremost, we, as a culture, need to believe victims."
Strongly disagree. We have innocent until proven guilty, and allegations must be brought forward against individuals before we count someone as a victim and others as abusers. Of course we don't want to scare anybody away from coming forward with genuine claims, so protecting identities and allowing anonymity is a good first step.
@PickledKong64 This is terrible news about your sister. I hope she is recovering well, it's very difficult to do so. Lots of love and support. On your other point, I agree and hope that the victims press charges, that's often the hardest part for them, due to fear of retaliation and such.
Many victims have gone through the proper channels in the past and have s been dismissed or revictimized. Am I suggesting we handle these things through social media from here on out? Of course not.
@UmbreonsPapa I tend to dismiss social media, and any other channel that tends to promote hysteria, because I think abuse should be punished legally. I do, however, understand your intent, I think. I'd like to ask you, then, what you would consider the happy medium between the current paradigm and the pre-Internet period.
As much good as social media and other new channels have done, they have amplified the practice of pile-ons, an atmosphere of self-righteousness, hyper-partisanship, and a deeply unhealthy outrage cycle. And when I see that whisper campaigns and mere accusations are enough to ruin someone's reputation and career, I am reminded of some very dark historical parallels from the last few centuries. I then find myself turning against a movement that, at times, seems to be creating new abuses rather than quashing old ones. And that makes me pretty sad.
I would appreciate your perspective.
@MichaelHarvey This is the hardest thing.
For example, my wife's old church is facing almost 300 allegations regarding sexual abuse to men and women that were minors at the time of assault. It's being taken care of in court, but should we not believe them?
I'm not saying you are wrong, I actually agree with you, though not as strongly. I think it's to be taken case by case. I think the implication is, "believe the victim, and see if proof arises to support them." It can be very murky because some people are so afraid to come forward, that it takes 20 or 30 years for them to do so, like the case with the church I mentioned.
So, again I'm not trying to slam you, because I think you make a valid point. It's just such a difficult thing to deal with because there are people who cry wolf, and there are people who are legit abused. So hard to draw the line.
@Rodan2000 Seriously. When I started "online" gaming in the 90's with Unreal 1 there was just the in game text chat and then forums. No voice/video chatting and overall communication wasn't the norm. It would get very toxic though and for the most part the toxicity was isolated. As technology advanced and home consoles started getting involved in online and voice chatting it spread like Skynet taking over the world. Disgusting and sad.
Sometimes I am really glad to be an introvert who does not get ou much. Better a small group of close, trustworthy friends than tons of people you don't really know.
@TG16_IS_BAE
It's fine to agree or disagree here with polite discourse - as you have demonstrated.
If I am you right now, of course I would 100% believe my wife. You know her more than anyone. This is a personal case that is close to you and you are part of her support network.
With that said, at a general macro level, we cannot take things on a "case by case" basis as this would allow for arbitrary rulings and break the entire concept of a fair trial and undermine public confidence in the legal system. The law must be rigid, watertight and be fair to all. Although, if the law needs to change then so be it.
My heart and my thoughts go out to the victims. We, as a race, have much to be ashamed of this year.
This is apparently the new fault level for the meting of justice; this would be described as what the social guillotine for those accused? I feel like this gawking at the whole spectacle has to be worse even than the courtroom. You can have a zero tolerance policy for this kind of behavior, but then what kind of quasi criminal activities are ever meant to be celebrated? I don't understand the place for this step at all - trust me vengeance (screaming in words) at these people is an insult to a trial by the court system.
There is no way to know definitively from a Reddit post of unsubstantiated accounts who merits the highest level of scrutiny. In effect this kind of thing tends to create an unabated air of suspicion wherein those who are not formally accused of criminal activity, languish under public opinion until they decide whether it makes sense to stay on our planet. We are likely to see more suicide from either side of the line because we as a society offer no moral recourse or path to recovery for those accused. This should be about betterment, improvement, and mutual vindication where applicable.
What do the abuse scandals tell us? That human beings stink.
But WTF is it with gaming specifically that seems to be filled with this?
@NEStalgia I mean, can you provide some attribution for this statement? Or demonstrate why this gaming-specific situation is more tainted than, say, pseudo-religious cults, the modelling world, the child actor industry, or indeed the working world in general?
From what I can see, power imbalances and lack of outside oversight lead to disaster across the entire spectrum of human activities. This may touch us, but it is far larger than us.
I live in a third world ***** hole and let me tell you my experience as a pediatrician. We have an obligation to see and report patients of child abuse and seeing the aftermath of these inhumane acts are absolutely horrible. Imagine a train that you saw a mile away, you try to avoid it but you know it will still hit you hard. Being prepared isn't as much as actually seeing abuse victims. Some can go to be as young as 4 years old committed most likely to be the caretaker.
Seeing this in the Smash Community is only an effect of what total strangers online meet up. There will be good meetups but there will be things like this. You do NOT place your trust in a complete stranger unless you are an incredibly good judge of character. And even then, you do NOT let that person think that you are vulnerable to whatever it is that they are planning to do to you. Think for a second and ask yourself why they would do this to the people that you just met. If you are going to socialize, do it public where everyone can see. I can't blame the victims to stuff like this but people who are old enough to know something is wrong need to lead better by examples and NOT let this happen unless you want your little meetups to be sanctioned by the state.
No wonder why so many influencers wanted a puppet, a cartoon bear, and a boy dressed as Mickey Mouse.
@TG16_IS_BAE what's sad is ppl are going after the victims. It toknyears for my sister to say something. Shes still recovering. Thank you. I hope for the best for you
@PickledKong64 Yes, it’s terrible when the abuser takes the victims name through the mud. I hope all is well with you too!
Dang! I knew the Smash community was full of toxicity. I never realized it was like this! I'm sorry for the victims that had to deal with this.
@Tempestryke All fandoms are toxic. If you've been to even the most "wholesome ones" like say, Steven Universe or Knitting, it has ebough toxic fans that will make you vomit.
@TG16_IS_BAE about the church, is it the catholic church? As a catholic I am disgusted by these actions but am glad that the violators are getting what they deserved.
@mesome713 why are you pushing your agenda right now? Also there are female players. Some of them being abusers. Can Nintendolife ban you alteady
@PickledKong64 Non-denominational, but they seem to veer closer to Catholicism, so I share your disgust. I have my own relationship with God, and I think church can help people but it sickens me to see how many pastors take advantage of their flocks.
@link422007 Why thank you Captain Obvious. I suppose you're going to tell me that the sky is blue next?
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