Sceptic

@TheRealThanos: Indeed. I wish it wasn't so. This console could have been an icon. But after the level of incompetence and lack of creativity, effort and initiative Nintendo showed here I wouldn't trust them with developing a garlic press, especially since those same clowns are still running the show now. Arrogance and Hybris killed the WiiU, and for that I see no humility, no self reflection. No change.

The real question is: Who would buy it? I for one am done with Nintendo after the WiiU experience.

Every time I see something at an incredibly low price on the US shop it makes me that much less likely to ever spend four times that for it on the EU shop.

But hey look: Darksiders II is $5 on Steam.

This will be the WiiU all over again. The fanboys will buy five of them and look on incredulously as the market fails to even so much as hold the door for this. It's barely a proof on concept and the simplest conceivable nfc application at that. But yeah, "great things to come" of course, according to Nintendo. At least here nobody can blame third party developers, because this is going to hurt.

Kind of with DerpSandwich here but I'd settle for a D plus, but no thanks to Nintendo. What games I have on the console I have essentially deliberately bought to justify it. None of the first party games speak to me (or my kids) in the least and to say I'm deeply disappointed by how little Nintendo has delivered in general for the WiiU and especially under the 'family gaming' flag would be a gross understatement. Aside from a few cool mini games in Nintendoland they have showed a shocking lack of creativity, initiative and innovation and the market is justly punishing for that.

I'm looking forward to 'X', which looks to finally be a game that might live up to some current standards, and Splatoon, but I may well be done spending money on Nintendo by the time they come out.

Overall, the WiiU adventure will be the last time I buy any hardware from Nintendo unless they offer up some seriously life-changing stuff (which at their current rate of innovation and creativity they have a snowball's chance in hell of doing). I feel they suckered us into buying the WiiU with grand promises they were hoping others would deliver on and when they didn't, that left us with nothing. It's frustrating and somewhat saddening, but Nintendo are clearly the Nokia of the gaming industry (although to Nokia's credit, their phones were some of the best to the very end, something the WiiU clearly is not).

If it wasn't for some quality indie games (available elsewhere too and at equal or better quality and lower prices, but nonetheless), Skylanders and Ubisoft's stubbornness in sticking with the console this long against all rationality, this would truly be a straight F.

It shows how weak Nintendo is in negotiations that they have to kiss the ring of retailers like this with exclusives. It just further devalues an already shaky (and rather obscure) business plan. I can't imagine anybody trekking around town to buy figurines in a particular place when it's still not clear why anybody should buy them at all. But we'll see I guess.

Exchange rate gains, huh?

Since they made pretty much zero adjustments to their business plan it's hardly surprising their 'turnaround' comes from currency volatility. They could just as well be 100 million in the red. They need to change.

I'm going to be that guy and say that I can't get over the embarrassingly puerile design and camera work on the main character. There's sexy. There's tongue in cheek over the top and then there's crude-bordering-on-obscene. Wasn't this the space snubbing GTAV for featuring a strip club? In B2, the strip club is the game it seems. (and no, that's the opposite of 'mature')

Still can't see this taking off at all, but who knows...

Looks great, it's just not the kind of game I'd play on a TV (more like on a tablet in bed, like, say, Pottery). May get it anyway just to support quality products on WiiU.

@darkgamer001: Miyamoto's 'Projects', Lol... I'd forgotten about those. That would be some serious meme material right there.

Splatoon and - maybe - X is all I have hope for, sadly.

Well, I hope they're wrong. Our WiiU is pretty much dead here.

It devalues the IP involved to the level of a happy meal trinket and turns the base product into a $80 happy meal.

@element187: lol, no. It's developed by Tecmo Koei and Nintendo, published by Nintendo.

It shows what an irrational and out if touch company Nintendo is that we're even debating whether this is coming to the rest of the world. This could be a flagship title like 'The Last of Us', but they'd rather keep selling us kiddie games I guess.

Just another reason to steer clear.

Missed boat for Nintendo. Minecraft could have showcased the gamepad more than any other game currently in existence and I would have loved to see it there. Since finding out that the console versions aren't multiplayer compatible with the PC version I'm not too bothered by the loss though.

@andrea987: Obviously you misread what number I was referring to. I was referring to those 190 so-called "agency workers" that were being "released" (From their agency. Makes sense, right?).

@Blue-Thunder: It's Nintendo. Even when they lie (and keep lying) people here find a positive spin for it.

They didn't really lay anybody off you see, they just told them not to come to work anymore.

People don't realize that that's how the low end job market works. UPS could shut down tomorrow and would only have to lay off a handful of people. Their couriers are all 'agency workers'. Obviously Nintendo works the same way. It allows you to lay off large numbers of people without worrying about those pesky employee protection laws. Great stuff.

More navel-gazing-meets-loyalty-milking from Nintendo. Revolutionary indeed. Next iteration: add a SIM-card and 4g.

I'm seeing their 'QOL' ploy now, too. Ah well.

Could they be any more erratic? After making the console less powerful so mom wouldn't be bothered by any fans (it doesn't get more casual gamer focused than that), then claiming to rectify their slide towards irrelevance by expanding their business to QOL (i.e. not even gaming anymore) and figurines (i.e. milking loyalty rather than expanding) and now it's suddenly 'core gamers' again? It's like their playing some strange 'random words' game we're not in on.

Too bad. Ubisoft gave me hope.

@ZachBeacon: Are you kidding? Our 30% discounts are still above US retail. What they call a discount here is when they temporarily stop giving us the shaft.

Lol, the 90s called, they want their discounts back.

That's not a sale, that's a small move towards more realistic pricing. Double that and we can talk. Still way too expensive for what they are peddling.

Too bad, not that I blame them though.

Cool, this should be fun.

I would call it a cash-in if I could picture anybody in their right mind buying that garbage at anything near those prices. As it stands though, it just further highlights the lack of worthwhile new releases on WiiU and Nintendo's propensity to massively overprice random old games that have nostalgic value only.

Fitness, Gamification or 'QOL' is another area after the casual market where they (again) will find themselves up against established and high quality market players and brands. Their QOL venture will probably make the WiiU look like a blazing success in comparison.

It's really getting to painful to watch.

Jeez, caveat emptor. Nintendo is the last company I want making calls on what is a 'good' game and what isn't.

Reviews are more than enough, but I do feel reviews are not taking price into account enough. A $5 game is not to be measured against a $40 one.

I can't believe the sheer volume of words generated for something so shallow and superficial.

What I have seen and heard of this 'game' is embarrassingly bad. I mean if any other company or person dared step out with something this shallow and call it a game concept they'd be laughed off the stage. It's basically a glorified control scheme.

It's not so much what it is now (or isn't, rather) but the fact that Nintendo and Miyamoto don't seem to realize that and think a little gamepad waddling is exciting news in itself.

@Andrew_Cook: Go ahead, let's hear some examples.

@hiptanaka: My point is he's obviously totally out of touch with the current state of gaming and yet feels comfortable making broad statements about the perceived the state of affairs. He sounds like my late grandmother.

Gaming, as a whole, has never been better and there are literally dozens of developers pushing the envelope, both technically and creatively. But alas, Nintendo definitely isn't one of them, so within his limited universe I would probably have agree with him. But I'd prefer they'd get with it and give us something rather than keep talking about it.

Every time they say this sort of superficially cool thing about the state of gaming I wonder if he even has a clue what current gen gaming actually offers. Beyond the AAA shooters that offer such an easy target. It's like pointing to 'Transformers' and claiming that movie is representative of the global film industry.

I mean, this is the guy that isn't ashamed to say he has never played minecraft.

@outburst: Yeah, lol. And as starved for contend as we are, it's an easy play to make. Next up: How "incredibly easy to work with" Nintendo was.

I'm honestly a bit confused why they would bring it to WiiU as an exclusive. I suppose it will be 'exclusive' only until they're done adapting it to other platforms.

That would be a smart move actually, as it keeps the Nintendo mobs from complaining about a 'second rate port' or 'shovelware' when their version has missing features, because they think they're getting an exclusive, then release on other platforms because "the response was so overwhelmingly positive on WiiU".

I would assume that in an online multiplayer match, if one wise guy brings his stupid merc to the game, everybody else would see it, right?

It's not optional then.

Oh man. Miyamoto hasn't even played minecraft. That alone would get him fired in my game company. Way to broaden your horizons... jeez. No wonder all we're seeing is remakes.

I very much agree with this article. The Merc ruins the vibe of MK8. Just look at that pic. It's like a montage. The whole playful charm of the game is gone.

Moreover, while I have no issues with prostitution per se, I'd rather not have it going on in my living room.

They're talking price point but have yet to show an even remotely sensible application for them. They keep saying "me too!" but fail to catch the gist of the idea they are borrowing from.

I'm very much with @rjejr here. The way they're presented so far, these figurines have a greater potential to detract from the base game than they show promise of enhancing them.

The gamepad is what it is. If they drop if, the WiiU has nothing at all to grab people's attention. It's pretty obvious by now though that it's also not that stroke of genius that Nintendo though it would be.

I feel Nintendo needs to hire an outside consultant for the gamepad. Their own ideas seem to center around using it as a second viewport or similar 'extend in front of you during play'-uses and it's simply too heavy to use that way. The WiiU is not powerful enough to handle two gamepads at once so that kills another attractive option (and with it most non-asymmentric local multiplayer game play ideas because one).

IMHO the argument for the gamepad is asymmetrical local multiplayer. For everything else, it just seems gimmicky.

Just as backward as expected. First-gen Skylanders like. And that Link firgurine in the video looked like it would break off any minute.

@Tsuzura: Brilliant, I was wondering what reason they'd have for this bizzarre explanation, because if it was just the IP issue they'd make an affiliate program out of it like for youtube.

But that's the reason of course. The WiiU can't handle streaming audio and video to both the gamepad and the internet at the same time.

But no, of course they just want to protect us from accidentally not having fun.

I'm sorry but what I read on Kotaku made Starfox sound like shovelware.

And forget about dual gamepads. The WiiU already can't handle two screens in certain games, I think it's safe to say three is out of the question.

Talk is cheap Reggie. So far, even Nintendo has been moving away from the gamepad and I haven't seen anything to indicate you've had any great revelations since Nintendoland on how to build unique and engaging gaming experiences around it. Sadly. But again, talk is cheap. That Robot Game concept was cringeworthy. Don't waste your resources expanding on that kind of stuff please.

Rather disappointing. Robot and Guard seem mini-game material at best, Starfox is obviously yet another rehash with minimal enhancements that apparently failed to convince anybody present of the utility of the gamepad. Thank god they had a little more to show this year.

Kotaku has a very detailed writeup of the gameplay experience on all three of these projects, with some quotes from Nintendo on Starfox.

@bonham2: Sorry, yeah, I was trying to be kind. This is an embarrassingly bad list and it does the WiiU a great disservice. If these truly were the top ten eShop games then Lord help us.

My 'recommendation' list in no order of priority:

Trine 2 (it uses the tablet, remember when that was something we wanted?)
Toki Tori 2+ (see above)
How to Survive (see above)
RUSH (one of the greatest puzzle games of recent years)
The Cave (great local multiplayer)
Child of Light
Giana Sisters
Bumby's Party (seriously, it's a lot more fun than I expected)
Nano Assault (if you like that kind of game)
unEpic

The tablet ports like Castlestorm and Little Inferno I'd get on a tablet. They're a lot cheaper there and have much more responsive gameplay thanks to the capacitive touchscreen.

Bravo on sealing the fate and perception of the WiiU as a first-party-only console. People will google "best WiiU games" and end up here, check the list and get a PS4. I sure would.

Wario beats Lego City Undercover? No ZombiU? No really guys. You need to do some soul searching. To each his own, but you have a resonsibility here.

Wow, you guys will not only put up with, but actually flat out recommend a lot of trash. Half your list is reissued or remixed. Does that even deserve to be a viable choice on a 'Top 10' list? Don't you honor effort and innovation?

Somebody should tell Nintendo that a fish rots from the head down.

My thoughts to those laid off, but from the looks of things they're getting out while they're ahead.

I'll probably be getting it, if only to have at least one moderately worthy rival to my steam offerings. And to support Ubisoft. ZombiU is still one of the best 'mature' games on the platform and one of the better Zombie games overall.