Miyamoto: We Are Working On Ideas For The Next Nintendo System

But the Wii U is only two years old...

@TheGreatBrawler Yes but you realise new consoles take years of R&D?

Well, duh. Sony started working on PS4 in 2008 for example. Announcement/starting working doesn't mean released afterwards or in span of 1 year or 2.

Very exciting to think about, and my Wii U has plenty of life left.

That is normal. I do hope that Nintendo talks to third parties more this time. I still am not certain it will change anything but I hope for the future.

I do hope the gamepad becomes a controller standard though. Genius device.

@TheGreatBrawler

They need time to develop. Look at the Wii. When it was called the revolution it was 2 years before it was released with one year before release for name mocking. the average life cycle for a console is 5 years. That means we will be seeing concepts for the new console this year or the next. Development will always be based on internal feedback or game concepts that they cannot implement on this console.

It'd be nice if Nintendo makes a console that will be competitive with the PlayStation 5 and the XBox Tree Sixty. They can't really survive with a first party only console.

Hmmm that either means the next console is not too far away or the next main series Mario game is a long way away.

Still too early to say, seeing Wii U is it in infancy, but I'd say x64 is a must. Considering they're mostly popular for their handhelds, it would seem sensible for them to try to find a way for them to work together in some way.

Other than that, the thing that's interesting about Nintendo consoles isn't usually that console itself but the controller, but now where we have a controller featuring a D-pad, an assortment of buttons, dual analogue sticks, shoulder buttons, gyroscope, touchscreen, microphone and NFC, I can't figure out what more they could add. Then again, figuring stuff like that out is what Nintendo does best.

I'm very excited to see what they come up with next... With technologies getting cheaper and more accessible to the consumer ... A hybrid system would be ideal ... However probably still a little off for a consumer release...

The DS lasted 6 years before the 3DS completely replaced it. It got a minor revision in its second year with the Lite and then a major revision in it's fourth year with the DSi. The 3DS is in its fourth year and the New 3DS basically here already.

Pretty easy to guess what they're talking about I think. I reckon next year there'll be no new hardware releases. The year after? I reckon we get a whole new portable console generation to replace the 3DS. Launching with this Mario game they're talking about here.

I know graphics isn't everything and all that, but I hope Nintendo can make a system at least somewhat comparable to the next Sony and Microsoft systems so that it will be easier to get third party games. And so that they won't be butchered when we get them.

Well, that's pretty obvious. I was hoping to see a whole new 3D Mario maybe at the end of Wii U's life... ah well. I hope they also keep the GamePad, and make the system more feasible to third parties.

"Miyamoto also hinted — but didn't confirm — that the next Mario title might be reserved for Nintendo's next console, rather than the Wii U"
I am sorry but I don't see that hint in what he says. He just says that we will see a Mario game in the next console.

we will see what the future has planned I say.

i just hope the next console/handheld uses either VR or holographic tech. because just a revamped/more powerful wiiu would be a total failure. and a virtual boy 2, or a holographic DS type handheld would be so incredibly awesome.

What ever it is I'll be there to buy it.

Yeah since 1985

@skywake Didn't Iwata just say that the next gen will be both a console and a hardware?

Also the 3DS is only three years old btw. But yeah, sooner or later the new 3DS has to be launched atleast in Asia since its the same region as US.

It will have Keurig 3.0 built in.

No big surprise here. All of these companies have R&D teams working on the next big deal as soon as the previous big deal is out. What is surprising is that Miyamoto is talking about it already. Perhaps my hypothesis that the Wii U will be very short-lived is indeed moving toward reality.

This is as if to say, "sorry about the Wii U, but don't worry, we've got guys working on the next thing."

@DinoFett You never know.

Virtual reality is gonna be the next big thing. You heard it hear folk!

@triforcepower73 - "the next main series Mario game"

Emphasis on MAIN, nicely put. Wii U still needs Paper Mario. And at least one sports game - Sluggers, Strikers, Sports Mix. And I'd like straight up Mario RPG/action/adventure game as well, maybe w/ amiibo.

Of course they are working on next gen hardware. Either handheld or console or preferably some combination of both - the 4DU, a Wii U w/ a Gamepad to go. They are calling it Fusion. It was all the rumour rage back at the beginning of the year in January. Google "Nintendo Fusion".

Hey @damo, TW out sick today? You are unusually prolific. You didn't give him his pink slip a week before Boxing Day did you?

what ever they do with the next system I know it will have great first party games, they always do but they really need to make a system that will apeal to third party developers because a system can only go so far on first party titles before it runs out of fuel

@Spakiness
Agreed! Full color Virtual Boy!

The next handheld should be due around 2017, or at least an announcement. The console shouldn't come until 2018 or 2019.

@danielflugt
"Other than that, the thing that's interesting about Nintendo consoles isn't usually that console itself but the controller, but now where we have a controller featuring a D-pad, an assortment of buttons, dual analogue sticks, shoulder buttons, gyroscope, touchscreen, microphone and NFC, I can't figure out what more they could add."

Nintendo should put analogue triggers back in!

Oh, and keep the GamePad concept, I love it!

Just make it powerful and make a regular controller!!I love the gamepad,but still there's some games where you don't even need it!And don't give it a stupid name like the Wiiu,it confused everyone when they saw it people still think it's a new controller for the Wii.But i do wonder will third party games come back?For Nintendo new system?That's a thing i been asking for a long time since they left the Wiiu.Will they take a chance once more?Nah i guess Nintendo is going to be alone in the next gen as well.

I have to wait until Wii 3 to get a new mainline Mario game? Dang, that's disappointing. I want Super Mario Galaxy 3 (or Super Mario Universe) on my Wii U.

No surprise they're working on new hardware as that's a constant thing, but it's disappointing to hear the comment about the next Mario game. 3D World is a great game, but it's gameplay is closer to a 2D game. I remember around the time of it's release, Nintendo said there would be another 3D Mario to come on Wii U, but guess not. It's weird how Mario is truly great every other gen (N64 and Wii), with a good, but slightly below standard game between (Cube and Wii U).

To me it doesn't sound like they're gonna hold off on any mario games, it just sounds like the next system is going to release with one, and possibly be a whole new mario series or is just going to use a different concept

I wish Nintendo keeps doing "things" their own way, following mainstream is boring (playing safe) like my teacher sayed when i was a kid "following everyone elses footprints leads same place where they are, making your own way leads somewhere else".

Duuuh..

Why is anyone surprised?

The 64 went into production pretty much as soon as the Famicom left the warehouse.

This is nothing new. They just don't whip up a new console in a few months before its release.

He didn't say that Mario was reserved for the next console. He said he'll appear there. He can appear in Wii U too. Suddenly everyone wants more Mario games.

The next Mario game better not be on the next console. I CANNOT WAIT THAT LONG!

I don't mind waiting for another 3D Mario game. Just please Nintendo, release some DLC for 3D world, or an expansion. Also, I'm not really a huge fan of handhelds. So I'm hoping it's a new console, but it probably isn't. Also, give me Mario Baseball Wii U please. With Nintendo guest characters.

@Ryu_Niiyama I think we all know they need to rid of the GamePad. Frankly, I love the GamePad, but it's the reason the Wii U isn't selling so hotly. I'd doubt Nintendo would want to relive this situation.

I hope they realize power is important... It allows 3rd party games to be fully realized as opposed to stripped down versions... That said Nintendo needs to do what it needs for their own games too. A powerful console that played Zelda and Mario without any limitations as well as third part games on par with the competition sounds sublime;) that would be my perfect Nintendo console

@maneauleau exactly how I read it. Plenty of time for another Mario game on Wii U before the next console launches with a new Mario title.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Nintendo work on a hybrid console that allows you to play on the move, while also allowing to play on TV. They're pretty much doing that right now with the Wii U, with the limitation that the GamePad needs to be in the same room as the console.

Right now I'm playing a lot more on my Wii U than my 3DS, but sometimes I'd wish I could play my 3DS games on the GamePad or vice versa.

But in reality Nintendo will probably just do what they want and surprise everyone in a good or bad way.

@PokeMarioR I don't think the gamepad has anything to do with slow sales, if it was so bad why are Xbox and PS fans excited about the ripoff their consoles have of the gamepad? People are so excited about second screen, using either Vita or a Windows tablet, not realising the Wii U has it properly implemented and you can buy and Wii U for the same price as that Vita or tablet.

Mario's less the Mickey Mouse who ushers in each new step of development than he is the Donald Duck who thinks he's still a major star but was left behind the race ages ago. New hardware is all well and good, but they should stop pretending that they're ahead of their competitors.

I don't see how that statement says anything on which platform the next Mario game will be. To me, it just says that Mario will be there to ring in the next gen Nintendo console, not that there won't be a new Mario game for Wii U (or 3DS, for that matter) while they're working on the new system. Or am I missing something here?

Edit: apparently that was already noted. My bad.

Please Nintendo, make it powerful cause I would like to play Grand Theft Auto on your consoles that has your name on it.

As much as I love Mario, I'm fine with his next game being on the next system. The Wii is the only system since the NES to get multiple Mario games, after all. Right now I'd rather see other franchises get their chance on the Wii U.

@BaffleBlend
And yet Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 were still the best scoring games last gen (according to GameRankings), and 3D World is currently the highest scoring current gen game on Metacritic (it's behind Rayman Legends for the Wii U on GameRankings).

Just be a normal console with Nintendo franchises please. Like a WiiU with a pro controller but much MUCH stronger. I predict 2016 for an announcement and release in 2017, WiiU is pretty much dead guys, and I like mine. But it has no support besides Indies and people are getting bored with Indies.

But I also predict PS5 and whatever the next Xbox will be called will come in about 4 years too, these systems were outdated as soon as they left the factories doors in China. They all got a lot out of the last gen (which is very rare for any gen), but this gen and onwards it's gonna be 'play catch up'.

Anyway, I'm sure a new proper Mario will be the WiiU's swan song in 2016/7.

@Spakiness

Thanks for the prediction from 1995!

@TrueWiiMaster

Actually, there were two Super Mario World games. And Three Super Mario Land games.

Wii U still got a good 3 to 4 years left in it's life cycle but it still is interesting to think about. Obviously it will be more powerful. Knowing Nintendo it will be around the same specs a PS4. I hope they keep they GamePad but make it 1080p. It will be the first to launch before PS5 and Xbox 4k They will move on from the Wii name (I hope) and they will make quality games.

If Sony and MS can make a killing releasing updated versions of their last gen games, where the hell is my HD Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2?? Or, what about some HD GC games?

I'd stand in the rain to throw my money at that!

@B_Troof

I think it's highly unlikely that Nintendo will continue with the GamePad after the Wii U, and I'm pretty confident that the Wii brand name is dead from here on out. I also don't expect another 3-4 years in the Wii U unless Nintendo somehow turns around their dismal 3rd party fortunes. As such, there is very little reason for anyone outside of a small core of Nintendo fans to care about the console. That is going to cut deep into their potential profits.

I expect the successor to the Wii U to be revealed no later than 2016. And if it manages to succeed, I also expect it will create a rushed and early finish to this generation as Sony and MS will step up production of their next machines. However, if Nintendo is once again lazy in the hardware department (the next machine needs to be very powerful), then it will falter at retail, and MS and Sony simply won't care.

@Quorthon
Yeah, but Yoshi's Island isn't really a Mario game, even if they called it Super Mario World 2. You don't even play as Mario (the same goes for Mario Land 3, actually). I did forget about the Mario Land games, but I was referring mainly to home consoles.

@Ryu_Niiyama or nintendo does what they did with the NES and gives two controllers. One of those being the gamepad, the other being the pro controller

I sincerely hope they don't wait until the next system to put out another 3D Mario. NSMBU felt like a placeholder, but then 3D World came out and felt like another placeholder. I want a big, grand Mario adventure a la Sunshine or Galaxy!

since marketing has been proven to be idiots don't call it "Wii" anything. and as much as I hate to say it Nintendo should do a pretty much copy and paste type of system pretty much make it a FPS machine, and graphical powerhouse that is on par with Sony's and Microsoft's next consoles. It's just sad that the gaming industry is afraid of trying new things and didn't want to embrace the technology that the Wii U has.

Hopefully they learned from their mistakes

Needs to be powerful enough so that 3rd parties can simply release their games on without having to make specific versions for the hardware & have that "Nintendo magic" to it with innovation & great 1st party titles ... If they can nail that Ninty might be looking at the NES/SNES days again cos they'll have it all.

I just hope they're also planning on how the new system will be ADVERTIZED. You know, that phenomenon the Wii U got so little of.

We'll get another 2 years out of the Wii U. Although I think they should go 3-4.

I think the lesson everyone learned with this last gen of consoles is that horse power isn't everything. Making home console that's easy to develop on is key. Those developers need to also produce games that are actually fun. Which is why I went to Nintendo this generation. We're almost hitting a ceiling with disc size limitations. We need to use this time to focus on simple gameplay and the philosophical question "what makes a game fun?"

They could AT LEAST make Mario Galaxy 3 for Wii U.

If you read it well, he doesn't say anything about not releasing one or more Mario games on Wii U before that new sytem comes around.

Seriously? why are you hyping this? they always do that and always say that. it's nothing new. You are jut giving annoying fanboys more ammo to keep repeating annoying stuff for the next months. Thanks a lot.

Typically there's only one major Mario release per console generation (despite what the haters in online forums say). Wii was the odd man out with Galaxy and Galaxy 2. 64 has only Mario 64, Gamecube only had Sunshine (which needs a sequel!), 3DS has 3D Land, DS didn't really ever have one at all unless you count Mario 64 DS. (The Wii also got 2 big Zelda and Metroid entries, which is why I think it's silly when people say the Wii had no good games.)

Anyway, I don't think Miyamoto really said here that we would have to wait, but history says we probably will. And I'm fine with it; Nintendo should explore the Gamepad concept with its other IPs like it's doing with Star Fox and Kirby. F-Zero has been neglected but would look riproaring awesome in HD (see MK8 DLC level for proof), and of Course Metroid has been ignored since Other M. Get those going before we get another Mario. If you have to do more with Mario, just give us some DLC levels. Or better yet, let us play some levels as DK or Bowser. I would pay for that.

Nintendolife, making something out of nothing since 199Nintendo...

That doesn't imply that the next Mario is going to be next gen at all, just that there's going to be a next gen Mario game (which we all knew anyway).

Oh dear just realised I am gonna get charged again to transfer all my wii u VC games to the next home console after already paying once to transfer them from my Wii. Nice little earner this for Nintendo, I wonder how many millions they have made from this process already.

So I'm taking this away from what he said...
'We will not release another Mario game on the Wii U' Which I'd say I'm happy enough with.
'Mario's next main game will launch with Wii U's successor' Which makes business sense to me. Personally I'm not a huge Mario fan, I'm more into Metriod, TLoZ, Fire Emblem and Star Fox.

@andyg1971 I am hopeful account systems in the future will not be tied to hardware.

@originaljohn That would make sense but this is Nintendo and that will happen in the year 2030 along with the GC and N64 vc arrival.

@Artwark He said common platform. That doesn't necessarily mean the handheld / console even need to be the same architecture.

@andyg1971They already said in an investor's meeting back in January that next gen is going to be account based.

@originaljohn They didn't say there's no more Mario at all (just that there would be a next gen Mario game), and I'd like there to be a collectathon Mario game anyway before we move on. Especially if it can bring something new to the table (which the collectathons usually do), because there's been a sense of uniqueness and innovation missing from the last few Mario games, despite having a whopping 4 next gen Mario games not one of them has done something truly next gen.

I feel like it's still too early to be talking about this..

@TrueWiiMaster

I know. Both SMW2 and SML3 were used as jumping off points for new franchises, and Nintendo knew that using the "Super Mario" moniker would get the games into more hands.

There was, at one time, a Super Mario 64 2 being developed, but was likely scrapped for the same reason Miyamoto is talking of a new Mario title for the next console--Nintendo is losing confidence in the Wii U in the same way they lost it in the N64 relatively early in the console's life.

Doesn't seem like he said anything at all like Mario won't come until the next console. Just that he'd like to use Mario to usher in the new hardware idea whatever it is.

He said:
"I think that maybe when we release the next hardware system, you can look forward to seeing Mario take on a new role or in a new game."

Doesn't sound exclusive to me.

On the other hand we do have two "main" Mario games on the Wii U already, and no Metroid.

I hope all Mr. Miyamoto is saying is that he's so busy between Star Fox, some Zelda input, and a lot of Metriod production that he's just too busy to oversee a new Mario game. Especially the Metriod part, I heard they're making two of them. One in the 2D fashion and the other like Metriod Prime. Maybe things will go smoother than expected and we can still see a new Mario adventure before the end of the Wii U.

I think the next console will be a 'third pillar' like they said ds was when it launched before they slowly faded out the gameboy line. Its too early to pass the wii u over even if they waited 2 years it'd still be too early.

Well, the "New 3DS" being released means Nintendo doesn't intend to release a new handheld in the next 2 years at least (despite the 3DS's tech being very outdated), and I don't think Nintendo has the Pokeballs to released a more powerful Wii U or a new home console to compete with the PS4 which has almost universally been accepted as the winner of this generations "console war" due to missteps on Nintendo's and Microsoft's part, who both decided to either design and market their product toward the casual audience that no longered cared about console gaming and/or decided to spit in the face of their own audience.

Nintendo fusion on google i hope the next console looks like that. I hope it's backwards compatable with a handheld so can play games on small and big screen and it has a 1tb hard drive. and An internet port on the back so can wire it upto the modem. Also to make it work they need 3rd party games if they want to compete. But l like just nintendo games best.

this doesn't surprise me because most companies start working and planning the next system right when that current system was just released (Nintendo basicly had plans for N64 not even 2 years after SNES' release )

Personally, I have no idea what Nintendo will do with it's next system, and to be honest THAT is why Nintendo has become so exciting lately. The other consoles you expect to see just a normal controller and a system with improved graphics, but Nintendo see's that as boring and loves to innovate and bring fresh ways to play video games. I do hope that the next Nintendo system still has Wii Remotes, and I hope that the Wii U gamepad can also be used with it, but otherwise, I don't expect anything other then to be amazed at Nintendo's innovation. While others will be dabbing into VR, I betcha Nintendo will go in a different, more unique direction

Make it a powerful system and try to get more 3rd parties on board. Also give your controller a battery that will last more than 3 hours, you can drop that screen thing from the controller, it's a nice Wii U gimmick but I don't see use for it on the next console. If there's a new funny gimmick involved, make more use of it than gamepad has done so far.

Bigger hard-drive: 32 GB, is too small nowadays, make it 500.

Name your next console Hyper Nintendo and start selling the games in cardboard boxes like in the old days.

@earthboundlink
Sunshine 2 would be very nice if it would be anything like the first one. It gets too much hate. Sure the setting might be boring for some people but it was much more exciting and new than the last few Mario games. And they just had to take some of Mario's moves away in the following games for reasons I don't get.

@evosteevo

Miyamoto was never really a part of Metroid. That was Sakamoto and Gunpei Yokoi in the olden days, if I remember correctly. Sakamoto proved, after Other M, that he should be kept as far away from the Metroid franchise as humanly possible. Even Team Ninja--who thrive on twitchy action games and overt sexism distanced themselves from the twitchy nonsense and even worse sexism of Other M and laid all blame on Sakamoto.

Miyamoto may play a producer role, but that's about it. His darlings were Donkey Kong, Mario, Zelda, and Pikmin.

Not to be rude, but Good! You see Nintendo is very well aware that their hardware is old. I'm sorry guys but I watched just Super Smash Bros WII U... even a Gamecube title can match these graphics on PC emulator on some good settings. WII U is old now because they didn't put a good hardware in it. Very very sad and this is what you get for a console with low hardware that only gives low lasting live. WII U max 3 years I think and then they will pronounce the next Nintendo system. Maybe then 3rd party well support them. BTW I"m a Nintendo fan as well. I've been playing this since I was 8 and that's 23 years ago. I owned all Nintendo hardware, but this is just crap and not Nintendo quality from the past. An other reason why I only have 3 games on the WII U. Legend of Zelda is the only reason i'm keeping it, but after that I might get rid of it. NOt much a reason to hold on to to be honest.

@Peach64 Wait, so the SNES Mario titles were merely "slightly below standard"!?

so i'm getting a wii u this xmas and they make a new console it always happens to me ....

@Jazzer94 I remember talk of what is now the Wii, several years before it's release and it was referred to as 'Revolution' while the GameCube was still going strong.

Oh thank god! When they went mario crazy I got burnt out. The news they were thinking about a new mario every year really scared me since one of the four they released in short order I genuinely found less enjoyable.

Ok, I say this all the time... NINTENDO! MAKE YOUR NEW SYSTEM COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER SYSTEMS' GAMES! If you come out with another, mostly first-party system using a completely different architecture than the other systems, I'm done with you. I want to play the games other systems have. And you better make sure the Wii U Gamepad and Gamepad Pro work with the new system. Updated Wiimotes would be awesome too cause they are great with first person shooters.

Looking at what PC is capable of now vs what home consoles are capable of now...

I say either the 9th or 10th home console generation will be the finale. After that, it will be just portable consoles, PC, and mobile.

Nintendo's been the only ones keeping home consoles relevant in this 8th gen. Home consoles in general used to provide unique advantages over PC, especially for playing games, but that ended along with the 7th generation. Now the myriad advantages are gone, the Wii U is the only unique offering, and DRM has thoroughly destroyed the integrity of current gen and future gen home consoles.

Oh well, Nintendo would be none the lesser; Sony's on it's last legs; and Microsoft's game division might go back to their roots, now that classic genres like Simulation Pilot have been proven by crowdfunding to be not dead...

Not sure why this "duh" article is making the rounds as news. Oh wait, people can use it to bash the Wii U. Nevermind, got it.

They always start thinking of ideas and working on a new consoles at least 6 years before release. This announcement is not surprising at all. If fact it is just a continuation of what's been happening in the industry for a long long time.

@Quorthon I can't argue and I don't really have a vivid idea of what goes on behind the scenes. I like to think that all the big wigs at Nintendo play a part in these games coming together. I'm sure just one game could keep a guy busy all day. Still, since Mr. Miyamoto is putting together Star Fox, I think it'd be cool to find out he also developed a shooting stage in Metriod just to see the gameplay advance even further than Prime 3. It could be happening. We won't know until these products release.

It should be graphics, gameplay and 3d and back to a 'normal' controller.

In the next couple of years 3d will be built into most new TV's as standard.
So it makes sense to have games 3d ready, with the option to play in either 2d or 3d.

@zool

The 3D TV fad hasn't gone anywhere, and the biggest driver of 3D--Hollywood--has noticeably scaled back the number of 3D movies they're making now.

@evosteevo

I'm personally mixed on the whole Metroid thing. It's easily one of my favorite game franchises, but I didn't like the "follow this straight line" gameplay of Fusion and I flat-out hated the disgustingly sexist and brainless and shallow Other M. I just don't have confidence in Nintendo being able to repair that damage. I don't even think they want to.

They took Samus Aran from a tough, independent, heroic character and reduced her to a little girl with daddy issues, and completely subservient to all male characters around her, and worse, made her utterly useless in her own game where all plot points were driven by NPC interaction and not Samus' actions. I couldn't believe it. The game made Duke Nukem Forever look like a piece of ultra-feminist propoganda.

I'm all for adding depth to characters, but that's not what they did with Samus. Instead, they stripped away everything that made her great and replaced it with outdated and shockingly insulting stereotypes of women. They could've called it Metroid: Get Back in the Kitchen and it wouldn't have been any worse.

I try not to take this stuff too personally, but I hate Sakamoto for this. To put it another way, head back over to the Pulp Novels article and compare the covers of The Bounty Hunter with Taken Again--Sakamoto took the woman on The Bounty Hunter and turned her into a broken version of the girl on Taken Again. She was a damsel in distress... in her own game.

A large part of me never wants to see another Metroid game ever again.

@Damo "Whether or not this will be for a new handheld, the Quality of Life platform or an all-in-on console hybrid remains to be seen."
Typo. It should be all-in-one.

I've never understood the backlash for the gamepad. It has the same amount of buttons as the pro controller and does way more. Aside from the crud battery life (which I know they will fix later) I think it is a great controller. To the point that I like my other controllers less now.

@GiSWiG Why would they ever support competitors' games?...

Okay.

If this is the last new Mario for the wiiu they damn well better remake Mario galaxy in hd. That game is screaming for gorgeous hd visuals

What if they were to develop a revolutionary new system that used a remote and nunchuck, that also came along with a sports game where you could actually play great games such as bowling, tennis, and golf, with the entire family!

As long as they keep making the hardware backwards compatible I'll find it hard to complain..even if there are 3 wiius at home and maybe even4. although I'll give that pause with this news.And the general flop the wiiu has been..I love the wiiu. But if the platform is abandoned then I can't be in for yet another wiiu console

@baffleblend
But Donald Duck is the real star
Let's uh see now. Behind the race you say? Highest selling game series to date. Likely the most recognized video game character in the world.

@Quorthon
She was only permissive to him because he was an old friend that was like a second father to her. A mentor, teacher.
Watch the language bub

@Quorthon
Jeez, stop being such a long winded hypocrite that makes an argument about everything. Like calling me a cynic when really you're the one that does so.

I hope you guys realize that making a system that's on par with the competitors hardware-wise doesn't mean anything regarding 3rd parties. Say Nintendo's new system has identical guts to the PS5. Ok and...? Doesn't mean 3rd parties are going to start magically developing for it. They can still choose to ignore Nintendo.

"Make your system on par with the competition so that 3rd party games aren't gimped" (looks at the number of AAA titles that were broken messes this year on PS4/XB1) Yeah... hardware means nothing there. That's on the developers (Ubisoft, I'm looking at you).

@Quorthon I can tell you how your hypothesis about Nintendo launching a new system sooner to cut the generation short and force MS/Sony to rush theirs will play out:
>Nintendo releases powerful new console, cutting the generation short.
>Sony and MS are forced to rush their new systems
>Sony and MS release new systems
>Nintendo's system once again becomes the weakest of the generation
>3rd parties jump ship from Nintendo's system, if they even bother to get on in the first place
>The new system ends up in the same situation as the Wii U as a result (though this depends on if Nintendo actually advertises the thing and doesn't screw up on the handheld beforehand like they did with the 3DS)
Yeah, it won't work out very well for Nintendo. They're absolutely SCREWED when it comes to 3rd parties next gen.

@Alucard83 I totally laughed when you said that a gamecube game can surpass SSB U. You have got to be joking.

Well why shouldn't they? It's about time they start anyways

Then why did miyamoto say after they released 3D World they are working on another 3D Mario title for Wii U? Was it just lies??

@IceClimbers Dont waste your time they will not understand no matter what you say. I like Nintendo's approach finding new ways to play games like a competitive advantage. Nintendo does not need to just make a console that matches the power of the other tow and put in a regular controller then they have nothing to differentiate themselves from their competition.

@zool Then how do they differentiate themselves from their competition? Just add more powerful hardware and just a regular controller? Its like they believe that putting powerful hardware is innovation when it isnt.

@Quorthon metroid fusion felt more like a squibly line then a straight one yes it was mostly linear but for a handheld game it's fitting in short burtsts you spend less time being lost while playing on the bus or anything. still a fine game imbo.

I do hope that nintendo gets better hardware mainly for the sake of people keeping quiet about that topic. It shows that you can make great games that run fluid on limited hardware and look good to boot instead of sluggish framerates to compete with the graphics of a pc with a videocard that costs as much as the console itself.

I also think Nintendo can learn a few things from the others about online features, sure they are on the right track but seem to try to figure it out their own way which kinda feels sometimes like reinventing the wheel...

I do wish Nintendo the best in the future because regardles of what the awards shows say Nintendo has been my winner of the console wars for 20 years dispite their bumblings.

It's like your old dog, sure it smells a bit funky but you remember the good times the bad times and you realize you have to say goodbye someday but the memories give you comfort. and to me sony and microsoft feel like the neighbours cat, sure they are cute and fuzzy but you are glad you don't have to feed the beasts that crap in your garden.

idk why nintendo gets so much flack, sony and M$ have nothing to show for their 1st year that isn't a multi-platform release or a yearly installment. ps2 and ps3 strugled with difficult to program hardware that gave it a sluggish start and xbox had little to no user base in Japan...
But I guess high winds blow on high hills.

@123akis Well Sharp is the one who produces the 3D screen on the 3DS (and I assume the New 3DS as well). They more than likely are working with Sharp on QOL though. That I think is a very strong possibility.

Here's an idea: No stupid gimmicks. When the hell are you going to understand that doesn't work anymore, Miyamoto? This is why you really need to retire.

Please scrip out the gamepad - it is pretty useless in most games.

@3dcaleb Sorry, but I absolutely have no interest in something like that, as 3D and holographic effects make me feel horribly ill and I had an extremely mild seizure from playing on my 3DS with the 3D on once. The thing is that 3D and VR including holographic effects should always be optional since about 10% of the population gets sick, suffers seizures, etc. from those neat visual features.

@GreatPlayer Not only that, but it makes my wrists hurt during long gamplay sessions.

@B_Troof Gamepad is more gimmicky on Wii U than it has actual use. True, some games improves with the gamepad (e.g, Pikmin 3) but most developers make good games without the gamepads. What I dislike about it is that first, its actual use is sparse, and second, the battery runs out real fast. I do not want to pay another 40 for the controller.

However, I am looking forward if Nintendo includes something like the Kinect. I feel that Kinect is plenty of potential but is wasted on Microsoft.

Is Nintendo going to make the gamepad for wii u with a 3d screen? Almighty, please do not scare me.

I don't wanna see a new console until 2017, much less 2018.

Another thing, no more quirky hardware!

I'd be very happy to see the Wuu continue on for a few more years without a new Mario game, and then the next one on whatever the next console will be blowing everyone's mind.

@Melkac I hate that word when people use it that way. The Wiimote and Gamepad are controllers that give us new ways to play games, not gimmicks, and if you hate them then there's always like 3 other options to play your games.

Oh and I hope Miyamoto's words don't get misunderstood and many sites start reporting this like the Wii U's dead sentence

@Melkac wow that is just so messed up. How would you feel if someone told you to retire on something you love doing? Thats just rude and wrong seriously.

@Nintendobro I would probably consider it if many people started telling me that. Miyamoto has been doing more wrong than good lately. Remember Sticker Star? Remember the Wii U being an underpowered console that keeps shoving the gamepad down our throats, even though it's very rarely utilized properly?

Yeah...

@Melkac Thats just wrong. And I understand that there arent any games that use the gamepad alot but putting in powerful hardware and just a regular controller isnt gonna change much plus it makes the console look more like the twins also it just seems that you are copying the competition which makes it feel that you are out of ideas. Maybe you dont like sticker star but I liked the game from beginning to end. And his image is altered just because of one so called bad game!! What is wrong with you guys!!

The gamepad is a massive reason I like the wiiu, even if its just for the off screen play when the main TV is In use. I don't know if it is because if years of playing DS and 3DS games, but the pad seems really natural. If there was just one thing I would ask for them to implement into their next home console, it would be to allow their pad to be uses as a stand alone system and allow their next handheld to be a 100% compatible controller. Not too bothered about the graphics of the next system. It may be my age, but all these "realistic" graphics , massive game budgets etc. Are just "blah" to me now.

@Nintendobro Games. Mario, Zelda etc. That is what sets them apart.

How bout a "normal", back to basics console thats as powerful as present tech allows it to be and with a framework that is in tune with 3rd party devs so we don't get the " Wii U's architecture is too tricky to create games for" crap.

I see them going one of two ways:

First, the one that is less likely but would be so much more awesome IMO is for Nintendo to go ahead and start competing with the other consoles in terms of hardware; design a powerful machine with huge graphical capability and do whatever it takes to make sure third parties get back on board. The Wii U has proven that Nintendo's first parties are enough to support a console single-handedly, but not enough to make it the best selling one. An attempt at getting third parties back on board and an overhaul of online features may be the steps towards getting that title back.

The second option I see Nintendo doing is designing innovative and gimmicky hardware again (not using that as a derogatory term), hopefully without the confusing Wii brand attached to it, and probably at the expense of third parties. I would love to see that "Nintendo Fusion" idea, because it would essentially combine their handheld and console lines (which means SIGNIFICANTLY less gaps between releases) and would be an evolution of what they started on the Wii U, with the whole Off-TV play and "Controller with a screen" concepts.

Whatever direction they take though, I'll buy their new home console almost as soon as it comes out (just like I did with the last four). I can't wait to see what they do next.

I think we should all sip a cup of coffee, relax and stop complaining. We Will have PLENTY of time to enjoy the new Zelda Wii U, Star Fox and other great games that Nintendo will launch by 2015-2016.

Hopefully all games run at 1080p 60FPS next-gen.

I wish someone would tell them they don't need new ideas. They just need to copy the online infrastructure of Sony and Microsoft and then keep doing what they do making great software. Feed the masses with their desire to have an online account to be proud of and show off their accomplishments coupled with nintendo software and they will be number one.

And please please please kill the Wii brand and go back to basic, sane naming strategies.

I look forward to anything they do. Nintendo has always brought out the best and I'm going to be right there with them. I think that anything they do will sell to true gamers and casuals alike.

@electrolite77 like how I explained it to another person putting in powerful hardware and a regular controller is not "innovation" its just following what others are doing. If you guys say Nintendo should do their own thing them why should they follow the footsteps of the rest? And its not like putting in a powerful processor isn't gonna open things fast or make smooth transitions through the OS.

I JUST GOT A WII U! DONT YOU DARE PULL THIS CRAP NINTENDO!

@zool yeah but only in games? Sony and MS are so busy with the specs war that they have the most powerful machine when it only benefits the third parties. Again even if Nintendo puts in a powerful machine third parties will still refuse to work with Nintendo. What I don't want happening is if they do it could be more expensive than the Wii U which will be tough for me.

@electrolite77 and you guys don't seem to have this in mind. Even if Nintendo brings In a really powerful console its not going to make third parties work with Nintendo.

Without the gamepad the Wii u would be quiet a bit cheaper.

@Nintendobro agreed.
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@electrolite77 the Wii U's GamePad is no more a tablet controller than the DS is a tablet handheld. I've said it numerous times on numerous sites: the GamePad was in development well before any tablet was ever popular or a mainstream thing. Moreover, if you look at all of its capabilities it doesn't even come close to qualifying as a tablet. Unfortunately it's a monicker that has stuck with a lot of people. Blame bad media or Nintendo's own failure to market it in the right way.
It was simply something that originated from the idea of wanting to combine what the Wii and the DS could do, and then bring it to the TV screen and in HD, and this resulted in what you should actually see as a giant, detached Nintendo DS (NOT as a tablet) with the GamePad in place of the DS's touch screen and the TV serving as the top screen.
It's so painfully obvious that I always wonder why so few people appear to be able to get that.
So, for Nintendo this was no more than a logical step forward since they always use part of their previous technologies that worked for them in new systems.
Obviously this does not always have an equally successful outcome, but that is a risk that comes with the territory of innovating.
They will never, and I mean NEVER win over third parties when they would go for exactly the same hardware as the other two, history has already proven that with the GameCube and while some blame stuff like the mini DVD's for that, it falls way short of explaining the entire story, because during that generation all three consoles had their quirks that made it difficult to develop for to some degree.
The GameCube was a pretty good step up hardware wise from the PS2 and only marginally less powerful than the Xbox, although it trumped that console too as far as several effects such as lighting and transparencies go.
And that perfectly illustrates that being "samey" just doesn't work for Nintendo. And people that think that the games are enough to differentiate them (not directed at you specifically) are also wrong. Nintendo is first and foremost a console maker, and they work with the top down pyramid model meaning that they think of the games that they want to make and build the console to accommodate that, while the other two use the normal pyramid model which on the positive side seems to give the third parties way more to work with, because you have this large, spacious virtual container that you just dump your software in, but after that you need to work towards the top and that means you need more optimization.
In practice you can now see so many, many games (regardless of platform) not doing that correctly, not only resulting in day one patches, but also numerous updates and additional patches or in a worst case scenario complete re-installs (Assassin's Creed Unity) which, if you truly stop to think about it, is a downright disgrace and means that so many titles that are sold as full retail titles are actually broken pieces of software.
Nintendo does have some games that were patched afterwards, arguably because of them having to get used to HD programming (which, in all honesty doesn't really fly with me either), but most games are complete and of exceptional quality, just look at Captain Toad Treasure Tracker; may not be everyone's cup of tea but it is a truly solid product. And that is something that a LOT of companies, even much bigger ones, should take a lesson from.
Nowadays even brilliant developers working at some of these large companies are either forced to work with ridiculous deadlines or with publishers that decide how far their creativity is allowed to go, even if it could potentially yield better results. Money/profits and getting things rushed to the store are more of an issue nowadays than delivering straight-out-of-the-box solid gaming experiences without any need for a whole suitcase of digital band aids afterwards.
It wouldn't seem strange to me at ALL if some of the more professional developers get pretty frustrated sometimes if a game doesn't reach its full potential because of this.
So no, Nintendo definitely should NOT go that route, since it would serve them absolutely no purpose if they can't express their own philosophy and reach their full potential. The result is hit and miss, as previously mentioned, but overall Nintendo is a very successful company in it's own right.
And finally, one thing that is also always forgotten by so many people:
Just because there are several consoles on the market does NOT mean that they are in a race. The true console wars ended with Sega and Nintendo. From then on, Nintendo decided to plot it's own course and they themselves have time and time explained that they are not in this race and they have also very elaborately explained why.
It is therefore VERY presumptuous of people with no knowledge of the inner goings-on at Nintendo to say that they are and therefore should fight with similar weapons.
This may be a somewhat strange comparison, but use your imagination and go with it for the sake of the argument:
It's like saying that Bentley or Rolls Royce is in a direct battle with BMW and Mercedes just because they're all cars and they are all (more or less) in the same market segment. They're all nice and expensive cars, but only BMW and Mercedes are in direct competition with each other while the other brands are mostly tailor-made and for a specific audience, and the same goes for Nintendo.
Personally, while I definitely acknowledge and enjoy good games on other systems as well, I hope Nintendo continues to bring us new and surprising things, because they are truly the only gaming company that bring a big smile to my face 9 out of 10 times because of the pure quality of fun that only Nintendo can offer.
There's a reason that it's called The Nintendo Difference....

im glad im one of the guys in charge of deciding if virtual console games will be added. right now im saying no.

@Nintendobro You're in the veeeeeeery small minority that liked Sticker Star. It's not just me hating the game.

Remember when the Wii U came out? Yeah. A whole year before the PS4 and Xbox One. If it had the same powerful hardware as those two no one would be saying it's "copying" them, quite the opposite.
And who cares if they're copying them, at least we would be getting all the third party games because it's extremely easy to port x86 games.

@Melkac that is not the point! What is the point putting in powerful hardware if it is not gonna change the minds of third parties. People assume that by just putting in a powerful machine that it will change the minds of third parties with a blink of an eye. Sony and MS have the $ power to swoop in those third party games for their consoles. Didnt you hear some of them say "If Nintendo embraces the approach that Sony and MS is doing we can work with them". Which means by bribing them to make games for you.

@zool idk why you guys don't like the gamepad how else is Nintendo supposed to make their console look different from like the rest and like the Wii? And people cannot afford a Wii U apparently but can afford a Xbox one and PS4.

Oh no, no Mario title on the Wii U?
I was hoping for a real successor to Mario 64, Mario Sunshine (though it wasn't as great as the others, it featured the same basic controls and movements) and Mario Galaxy 1 & 2. Even if it just would've been Mario Galaxy 3, which would be fine by me... :/

@electrolite77 What I mean is that they do not need to copy what the others are doing. Again people seem to miss this, that even with a powerful console third parties will not want to work with Nintendo. Putting powerful specs on the gamecube certainly did not help them that gen and that had decent third party support.

Please create a Mario Galaxy 3 Wii-U before you retire him for this gen...

@Nintendobro Like I said, x86 games are extremely easy to port. Literally all they need to do is make a console wit x86 architecture.

They need some thing big next time around!
We're probably know more E3 2016.

They might mention some thing at E3 2015 but next year it will be all about how they will be celebrating Mario's 30th Birthday I hope.

2016 for E3, Nintendo 7 console annoucements!

@electrolite77 First off: it's not what Nintendo meant with the GamePad (and the Wii U) but what it actually is. And the fact that it's capabilities aren't used doesn't mean that the potential isn't there. Blame it on Nintendo's marketing campaign not taking off with a bang...
I fully agree that being different just for the sake of it is silly, or rather just plain stupid. The point is that Nintendo isn't doing that; they're just following their own course/philosophy.
I partially agree on the third party point in that Nintendo should really come up with significantly improved hardware (although in reality it remains to be seen if Nintendo will do that) but that does NOT exclude them being able to offer something different, so besides the insides of the new console/handheld they should stick to their guns because that is what makes Nintendo the company that they are.
They should never blend into the masses by making the exact same product that only differentiates itself by some of its games and the label that is printed on the system.
If they decide to upgrade their hardware to a level that's good enough, AND they can fix their marketing campaign this time, they may well get third party support back for a large part, but I don't think that all of them will be back since relationships between them have really soured. And even when Nintendo acts like all the other good boys in console school, there will still be someone that wants to bully or shun them.
Some of it they probably deserved from way back in the 8 bit era where they truly had a stranglehold on the market and on a lot of third parties, but that is ancient history now. It's literally a new generation of management within Nintendo and they shouldn't be blamed for the wrong doings of the previous people in charge. To exaggerate the point: let's not blame the current generation of Germans for WWII...
As for your point about the GameCube's discs: I already said in my previous comment that it is just a small part and not only in my eyes a total BS excuse for third parties to say that developing for the GameCube was so hard and what not. The point is they HAD powerful hardware and still third party support dwindled away during its lifetime.
The hardware inside the GameCube was not only more powerful but reportedly also way more developer-friendly than the PS2's cell processor, and even the original Xbox had it's issues within the architecture even though it was based on a Windows 2000 kernel.
In short: all three had their own issues but that wasn't a big enough factor. It was more likely still Nintendo's strict rules if anything.
And consumers really don't matter that much, strange as it may sound, especially coming from me, a professional sales and marketing rep with over 14 years of experience. A good marketing campaign or a good setup in the stores controls consumers, NOT the other way around. It goes so far as to more or less completely control the thoughts and behavior of the target audience.
Just think of walking into a supermarket and walking out with way more than you wanted to buy because at key points within that supermarket they have placed special offers and so on, sometimes even with a now or never label prompting you to buy. Maybe you won't, but the masses will: that's marketing 101.
I could sell the proverbial iglo to an eskimo because I know what I'm doing and what's at stake if I don't sell. This is also the reason that it baffles me to this day how bad the initial Wii U marketing campaign was.
I also hoped you fully got the luxury car reference, because to see these in direct competition is equally silly, but apparently you didn't. Also, Nintendo doesn't have the bulk or the stamina to go into direct competition with the other two, even though they are still financially healthy. If they would go that route, it wouldn't last for very long.
There's also so many other differences between Nintendo and the other two companies that people tend to overlook or forget. This is Nintendo's core business so copying exactly what the others do may well put them in a very vulnerable position, one that they cannot afford to be in (again). The other two can survive without their console division just fine, even though Sony is now in bad weather as well and has to thank its lucky stars that the PS4 is doing so well.

Here for the Nintendo fusion system~!

The real question is: Who would buy it? I for one am done with Nintendo after the WiiU experience.

@Sceptic I find it mind boggling that something isnt doing good and people blow everything out of proportion. Nintendo blew it by not advertising the console add that not enough games at launch and games like MK 8 should have been launched earlier. Those are the problems that put the Wii U in this situation. Putting in powerful hardware and a regular controller is not gonna make people flock like sheep to buy Nintendo's new console. IMO the Wii U is a great console it has that magic those other tow do not have. I invited my friend over to play Wii U we were having a blast and that convinced him to get one himself he told his family members about it too even my other friends are getting one. If Nintendo would have advertised the console correctly people would find out what it is and the great games it has and what it has to offer people will try it out they will like it then they will tell everyone they know about it. Those Nintendo mistakes is what has killed the Wii U. It is sad because it is a really great console.

@Sceptic owning up to your name I see?

@electrolite77 Idk third party support for Nintendo is gone it is not coning back no matter what Nintendo does. They hate Nintendo they have said at times that they refuse to work with them. They said Nintendo should do what MS and Sony are doing with them which is paying tons of money just to make games for Nintendo. I find it annoying when people say that they need to "copy" the competition when it won't change the minds of third parties and it certainly isn't gonna make people flock to buy the new console.

@IceClimbers

Actually, if Nintendo's hardware is on-par with the other current gen machines, then it means developers are more likely to pay attention because of the ease in porting games to the console. The Wii U was screwed the moment Nintendo decided on its relatively limited hardware power (compared to the competition) because the engines that are going to dominate this generation cannot run on the Wii U. That means third party support is unlikely to support the console because they'd have to do extra work to port any game over there, and even then, the engine might not be compatible anyway.

So yes, hardware very much matters.

Nintendo is not completely screwed with 3rd party support next gen, but they could be. They need to start rebuilding whatever relationships they can right now, as well as they can. Find niches and developers who are popular on, say, PC and mobile, but not present on Xbox or Playstation and court them.

The Wii U is very much Nintendo's Saturn. Their decisions during this generation will determine if the next console is their Dreamcast (their good-bye song) or their return to glory (their PS4).

Don't act like hardware power doesn't matter. Obviously it does. To both developers and consumers. And given the number of Nintendo fans/fanboys clamouring for endless remakes of old Zelda and Mario games, clearly, what's most important to too many of them is playing the same games over and over with better graphics.

That doesn't mean hardware power is all that matters, Nintendo needs to be competitive and they need to work with third parties the way MS and Sony do. Because if they don't, they will not survive another generation, especially not another one like the Wii U. And they know it.

Whatever you do Nintendo try to have the current eshop in place so as not to start all over again?? It Would be nice to have a few hundred vc games available day 1!! And if wii u never sees GameCube vc then I expect the next system to have it no excuses!!

I hope they follow through on a hybrid system. Gaming on the go and on the big screen TV whenever and where ever. A while back I read that the R&D division of Wii U and 3DS joined together. Hoping that is the reason why.
For myself I'd love it because I can no longer sit down and spend long hours playing games like I use to, especially RPGs. Got to make a living these days...wish I was still a student

@Quorthon So you are saying that Nintendo should just go and bribe third parties to make games for them like Sony and MS? And how many times do I have to explain this?? If Nintendo makes a console that is so powerful third parties still refuse to work with Nintendo. They have said it themselves they would probably work with Nintendo if they would follow what MS and Sony is doing with them which is throwing money at them to make you games. No matter how powerful it is they still choose to not go and work with Nintendo. Its like people cant seem to sink all that in and realize it geez. Idk why you always put fanboys in your comments there are some that are not fanboys but will disagree with what you are saying. So please understand,powerful hardware will not make third parties flock like sheep to make games for Nintendo that ship has sailed long ago. The Gamecube says hi. That had good third party support yet it did not help the gamecube all that much. If third parties want their sales of their games to improve they need to stop all that bull and make good full versions of their games. So let all this sink in people seem to not realize it.

_{You can make a counter without insults. -Lz}

@Quorthon OMG!! See again you continue to ignore what I said!! Instead of reading or thinking on what I have said you call me ignorant!! So I guess you call everyone that does not agree with you ignorant or fanboys then. Look I already explained it to you many many times and you continue to ignore or call me ignorant instead of taking the time in thinking about what I have said. Seriously its like talking to a wall. Your whole comment fell apart by just calling me ignorant. Because you seem to have a problem with "fanboys" and you seem to call everyone that doesn't agree with you fanboys or that they are ignorant. Is that all you can say?

@LZ

I made no insults. Noting that an individual is ignorant is not an insult, it merely indicates that said individual is commenting without knowledge of what it is he's talking about. An insult would be calling someone stupid for no reason or trying an old "yer momma" comment based on nothing.

Fair enough I suppose, he's proven that he's just trolling and incapable of listening to reason or understanding reality or even reading the posts to which he is aiming his vitriol. Though I am curious why his posts aren't censored, since he has proven this time and time again.

I didn't even say anything about "fanboys" and yet he went a-rambling on that very idea, for not other reason that, I must conclude, to continue to fan the flames of an argument he lost ages ago.

@TheRealThanos: Indeed. I wish it wasn't so. This console could have been an icon. But after the level of incompetence and lack of creativity, effort and initiative Nintendo showed here I wouldn't trust them with developing a garlic press, especially since those same clowns are still running the show now. Arrogance and Hybris killed the WiiU, and for that I see no humility, no self reflection. No change.

One more Mario game on Wii U please? If I have to wait, I'll wait though, can't rush greatness Just keep bringing in the great software as usual and I'm happy.