@RoomWithaMoose "Popularity is half of what being an icon is" Not really, something can be super iconic without being popular. Yes it is true that if something is iconic it is more likely that it can be popular too but this is not a guarantee.
Same in other media too, movies for example. While movies by Tarkovsky can be very iconic, they are much less popular than some other iconic movies, like Star Wars for example.
By your criteria everything outside of top 100 would not count as iconic.
Popularity is a product of numerous vectors, and how iconic something is (or isn't) is just one of these.
I think Master Chief has some iconic elements, just… not much, and definitely not enough to qualify for any "Most Iconic Video Game Characters of All Time" lists. Especially not when compared to, say, Samus: that's an iconic character. Oh right I just noticed, Samus is not even on the list.
For the record, I don't hate Master Chief design: personally, I think it's solid but boring and run of the mill character design. Nothing wrong with that. Fits with the IP and everything related, that's great and I appreciate that! But… one of the "Most Iconic Video Game Characters of All Time" he isn't. At least according to me
@Anachronism To be honest I stopped paying attention to anything Master Chief related a long time ago because there was a point where it just turned into "alright, freelance writers are now just coming up with some retcon crap because the marketing told them to 'build character' and 'expand universe' ".
I'll follow your advice and "think of everything after the Bungie/Microsoft split as non-canon."
@K1LLEGAL It's not enough to have one iconic aspect ("futuristic warrior in robot suit") for a character to be regarded as highly iconic. By that criteria, any random werewolf character would be iconic (which is the level of Master Chief "character design", his "iconicness" stopped at "futuristic soldier in armor with helmet concept art", try typing that into your engine of choice and get bored out of your skull). Go and study how Capcom turned "mummy", "werewolf" and similar abstract concepts into truly iconic characters (edit: in Darkstalkers) in order to understand what I'm talking about.
Samus is a good comparison, she's also meant to be a "futuristic warrior in a robot suit" but is like 100 % more iconic than Master Chief.
Also if you see Mario as "dude in overalls"… you're ignoring a whole dimension of what makes Mario iconic: sound effects, voice acting, body language, poses… Mario's "jump with raised hand" pose is more iconic than the whole Master Chief. Not to mention Mario's colors and so on.
That's the opposite of "iconic" and more "random futuristic uninspired robot suit" design, this character doesn't even have a proper name. Looks like people just voted for "which character reminds me of a game that I like".
I actually liked Pikmin (the first one) the most. It was so reasonable, contained and fun. The rest were great too, but the first one was my favorite.
And I never understood all the complaints about time limit in the first installment, I mean I completed the game with a bit less than 10 days remaining the first time I played it (and I'm not a super player or anything, in fact I was working and studying at the same time back then so no time for practicing) so I suspect people are objecting out of some fears / principle and not due to some pain the time limit inflicted on them.
I really tried to like the first game, but sadly… it's just not well put together. There are so many… odd things about it throughout the game (design, art, story…) that it's really unpleasant to play.
@Strumpan "suggesting other people are wrong to like something the commenter doesn't like. That's a moronic stance to take." Same could be said of your judgment that such a stance is moronic
What's wrong with such a suggestion? If someone wants to believe / suggest others are wrong to like something for whatever reason, no harm done, whatever. As far as we know, it's just an opinion and nobody's forcing anyone to anything.
@Zybrissa Are you our (Europeans) self appointed lawyer and defender?
"They have their own tastes, and that's fine." Who says that's fine, you? Europeans totally lost it.
"I'm not going to tar ~750 million people with the same brush." Wow! You're so tolerant, diversity-positive and inclusive! Anyway… Feel free one way or the other.
Also here we're talking behavioral psychologist (a trained professional with budget) vs a parent (maybe a random dude working for the whole day???) fighting for kid's soul. So maybe it's not as simple as "just unplug a cable" (which, honestly… is also not stellar parenting).
@Would_you_kindly Fair enough, in that case personally I'd go with a laptop instead (not that much more expensive) but for others it might be exactly what's needed. I gave you a thumbsup Edit: actually it's a "heart".
@Would_you_kindly …Which, as I said, would defeat the purpose of the whole thing.
True enough I'm stuck with Nintendo's controller too if I get a Switch Lite, but 1: I actually like the ergonomics of Switch Lite and 2: Switch is obviously not a laptop, so I will never have a feeling of "Man if it were only 10 % bigger I could use it in 100 % more ways".
So the Steam Deck is basically a laptop… but without the benefits of a laptop (keyboard, versatility). And if I don't like the controller (those thumbsticks look ridiculously tall)… well too bad, I'm stuck with it, because the only alternative would be buying an additional controller that I actually like which kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing.
Not to mention that a laptop / tablet can simply be closed / carried around, while those protruding thumbsticks are bound to get stuck in whatever they happen to get in contact with.
I don't like around 90% of the food I saw in this trailer. The only food from my "blaah" list not present (or maybe I just missed it) are seaweed and pumpkin.
"perfect companion for many long, night-time car rides. That's how we all play Game Boy, right?" No, that's how it's played in places with non humanistic urban planning.
@hotairballoons "We haven't been able to play online yet, which is a bit of an issue as it's what will give this game real legs, and it's a shame that the Switch version doesn't support crossplay, as it does on Xbox and PC, but we have faith. Dotemu has done such a great job with everything else here that we reckon they'll go the distance and support the online aspects of this one. They've certainly had the time — Windjammers 2 was originally announced for a 2019 release. Fingers crossed, then."
This looks nice, but… this isn't really Cotton. To me it looks like somebody got the license, did whatever game he already had in his head and simply slapped Cotton over it…
That's not necessarily a bad thing, a bit of experimentation doesn't hurt I guess, but personally I find it a bit off putting.
Regardless, I'll probably still get it, it does look quite creative.
No idea what do they mean by "Unique gameplay", this looks 100 % like reskinned Rush Hour (which is in turn derived from Huarong Dao / Klotski).
Anyway the theme is nice and I really like Huarong Dao / Klotski puzzles (Rush Hour not so much) generally speaking, but I won't be buying this one because I already have various editions (DS and PC).
"Prohibition birthed the Speakeasy, which made the illegal substance way more appealing and cool. By banning recreational substances, we make them cool and more appealing."
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Re: Review: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Arcade: Wrath Of The Mutants (Switch) - Coin-Op Co-Op Cowabummer
@Diogmites Which upcoming roguelike?
Re: Random: BAFTA's 'Iconic Game Characters' Poll Has Us Scratching Our Heads
@RoomWithaMoose "Popularity is half of what being an icon is" Not really, something can be super iconic without being popular. Yes it is true that if something is iconic it is more likely that it can be popular too but this is not a guarantee.
Same in other media too, movies for example. While movies by Tarkovsky can be very iconic, they are much less popular than some other iconic movies, like Star Wars for example.
By your criteria everything outside of top 100 would not count as iconic.
Popularity is a product of numerous vectors, and how iconic something is (or isn't) is just one of these.
Re: Random: BAFTA's 'Iconic Game Characters' Poll Has Us Scratching Our Heads
@RoomWithaMoose You're confusing popularity with iconicness.
Re: Random: BAFTA's 'Iconic Game Characters' Poll Has Us Scratching Our Heads
@GOmar Yes, but not much.
I think Master Chief has some iconic elements, just… not much, and definitely not enough to qualify for any "Most Iconic Video Game Characters of All Time" lists. Especially not when compared to, say, Samus: that's an iconic character. Oh right I just noticed, Samus is not even on the list.
For the record, I don't hate Master Chief design: personally, I think it's solid but boring and run of the mill character design. Nothing wrong with that. Fits with the IP and everything related, that's great and I appreciate that! But… one of the "Most Iconic Video Game Characters of All Time" he isn't. At least according to me
Re: Random: BAFTA's 'Iconic Game Characters' Poll Has Us Scratching Our Heads
@Anachronism To be honest I stopped paying attention to anything Master Chief related a long time ago because there was a point where it just turned into "alright, freelance writers are now just coming up with some retcon crap because the marketing told them to 'build character' and 'expand universe' ".
I'll follow your advice and "think of everything after the Bungie/Microsoft split as non-canon."
Re: Random: BAFTA's 'Iconic Game Characters' Poll Has Us Scratching Our Heads
@K1LLEGAL Alright, if you think Master Chief is more iconic than Samus… then we have different interpretations of the word "iconic"
Re: Random: BAFTA's 'Iconic Game Characters' Poll Has Us Scratching Our Heads
@K1LLEGAL It's not enough to have one iconic aspect ("futuristic warrior in robot suit") for a character to be regarded as highly iconic. By that criteria, any random werewolf character would be iconic (which is the level of Master Chief "character design", his "iconicness" stopped at "futuristic soldier in armor with helmet concept art", try typing that into your engine of choice and get bored out of your skull). Go and study how Capcom turned "mummy", "werewolf" and similar abstract concepts into truly iconic characters (edit: in Darkstalkers) in order to understand what I'm talking about.
Samus is a good comparison, she's also meant to be a "futuristic warrior in a robot suit" but is like 100 % more iconic than Master Chief.
Also if you see Mario as "dude in overalls"… you're ignoring a whole dimension of what makes Mario iconic: sound effects, voice acting, body language, poses… Mario's "jump with raised hand" pose is more iconic than the whole Master Chief. Not to mention Mario's colors and so on.
Re: Random: BAFTA's 'Iconic Game Characters' Poll Has Us Scratching Our Heads
lol @ "8. Master Chief - Halo"
That's the opposite of "iconic" and more "random futuristic uninspired robot suit" design, this character doesn't even have a proper name. Looks like people just voted for "which character reminds me of a game that I like".
Re: Random: Capcom Reveals "Most Popular" Games And Comments From Fan Survey
haha God Hand managed to sneak in
Good job Anthony
Re: Random: Super Mario Sunshine's Mysterious Language Has Been Translated
"I… said… if… we… just… oh for crying out loud" hehe yes that's Super Mario Sunshine. Great game but there are some bad parts it has to be said.
Re: TEVI's Metroidvania And Bullet-Hell Gameplay Is Looking Very Promising
This looks like it'd take ages to finish, so I'll pass.
Re: Nintendo Launches Black Friday Switch eShop Sale, Up To 90% Off (Europe)
@Ryu_Niiyama Same reason Europeans are soon to start celebrating Thanksgiving. And 4th of July in the future too I guess.
Re: 'Blade Chimera' Combines Stunning Pixel Art With Stylish Metroidvania Action
I have only one complaint.
Why is the trailer so short!!!
Re: Random: Fan Reimagines Resident Evil 4 As A 2D Side-Scroller
@CammyUnofficial There is aiming in other directions other than straight ahead, it's shown a bit after 14:50.
Re: Random: Fan Reimagines Resident Evil 4 As A 2D Side-Scroller
Wow, this looks great! The only thing missing is the Tetris inventory!
Re: Befriend Witches And Create Tarot Cards In The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood, On Switch Next Month
Smells like teen spirit. It's not necessarily a bad thing really… but personally I'll pass.
Re: Round Up: Here Are The First "Hands On" Impressions Of Pikmin 4
I actually liked Pikmin (the first one) the most. It was so reasonable, contained and fun. The rest were great too, but the first one was my favorite.
And I never understood all the complaints about time limit in the first installment, I mean I completed the game with a bit less than 10 days remaining the first time I played it (and I'm not a super player or anything, in fact I was working and studying at the same time back then so no time for practicing) so I suspect people are objecting out of some fears / principle and not due to some pain the time limit inflicted on them.
Anyway, can't wait to try the new one!
Re: Baten Kaitos I & II HD Remaster Launches On Nintendo Switch This September
I really tried to like the first game, but sadly… it's just not well put together. There are so many… odd things about it throughout the game (design, art, story…) that it's really unpleasant to play.
Re: Mario Movie Already Set To Be The Highest-Grossing Video Game Film Ever
"we praised the spectacle of the movie, but criticised its lack of substance and story"
I hope you won't apply the same criteria when reviewing a Mario game
Re: SEGA & Tencent Have Also Decided To Skip This Year's E3
@Liam Doolan "both Sega and Chinese video game giant Tencent will not be in attendance"
Just out of curiosity, why isn't it mentioned that SEGA is Japanese? Both companies are not American.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Bayonetta Origins: Cereza And The Lost Demon
@Strumpan "suggesting other people are wrong to like something the commenter doesn't like. That's a moronic stance to take."
Same could be said of your judgment that such a stance is moronic
What's wrong with such a suggestion? If someone wants to believe / suggest others are wrong to like something for whatever reason, no harm done, whatever. As far as we know, it's just an opinion and nobody's forcing anyone to anything.
Re: Review: XGIMI HORIZON Pro 4K UHD Projector - A Plug-And-Play, Premium (And Pricey) Pairing For Your Switch
$1,899.00… sadly… I think I'll have to pass on this one
Re: European Game Sales Fall, Switch Is Once Again The Best-Selling Console Of 2022
@Zybrissa Are you our (Europeans) self appointed lawyer and defender?
"They have their own tastes, and that's fine." Who says that's fine, you? Europeans totally lost it.
"I'm not going to tar ~750 million people with the same brush." Wow! You're so tolerant, diversity-positive and inclusive! Anyway… Feel free one way or the other.
Re: European Game Sales Fall, Switch Is Once Again The Best-Selling Console Of 2022
lol europeans have no taste
Re: Class-Action Lawsuit Claims Epic Games Knowingly Made Fortnite "Very, Very Addictive"
Also here we're talking behavioral psychologist (a trained professional with budget) vs a parent (maybe a random dude working for the whole day???) fighting for kid's soul. So maybe it's not as simple as "just unplug a cable" (which, honestly… is also not stellar parenting).
Re: New Game From Breath Of The Wild Dev Looks Like A Stunning Mix Of Disney, Anime And Zelda
@Thumbsofsteel …and also
NL: “Not on Switch”
Me: Could have said so in the beginning >
Re: Bandai Namco's Lineup For Tokyo Game Show 2022 Revealed
Looking forward to both Pac Man games and the Doraemon one!
Re: There's A New Indie Game On The Way That's Inspired By Miiverse And MSN
"Do you remember the '90s internet?" The calendar in the key art says 2003?
Re: Switch Gets Another First-Person Horror Game With Charon's Staircase
That trailer is a total waste of time.
Re: Video: A Castlevania Game... With Pigs?
@BongoBongo123 Sadly, no. Nothing really works: controls, enemies, weapons… Forget it.
Re: Feature: Handheld Face-Off - Nintendo Switch OLED Model Vs Steam Deck
@Would_you_kindly Fair enough, in that case personally I'd go with a laptop instead (not that much more expensive) but for others it might be exactly what's needed. I gave you a thumbsup Edit: actually it's a "heart".
Re: Feature: Handheld Face-Off - Nintendo Switch OLED Model Vs Steam Deck
@Would_you_kindly …Which, as I said, would defeat the purpose of the whole thing.
True enough I'm stuck with Nintendo's controller too if I get a Switch Lite, but 1: I actually like the ergonomics of Switch Lite and 2: Switch is obviously not a laptop, so I will never have a feeling of "Man if it were only 10 % bigger I could use it in 100 % more ways".
Re: Feature: Handheld Face-Off - Nintendo Switch OLED Model Vs Steam Deck
So the Steam Deck is basically a laptop… but without the benefits of a laptop (keyboard, versatility). And if I don't like the controller (those thumbsticks look ridiculously tall)… well too bad, I'm stuck with it, because the only alternative would be buying an additional controller that I actually like which kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing.
Not to mention that a laptop / tablet can simply be closed / carried around, while those protruding thumbsticks are bound to get stuck in whatever they happen to get in contact with.
Re: Review: Eiyuden Chronicle: Rising - Tedious Side Quests Mar This Prequel's Metroidvania Charm
"Could you bear sitting next to a screaming toddler on a transatlantic flight?"
Speaking from personal experience… no.
Re: Anime-Inspired Deckbuilding Roguelite 'Super Bullet Break' Hits Switch This Year
I got a "little a-girls" overdose just by watching that trailer. /dies
Re: Random: How On Earth Did We Miss Bandai Namco's "Cooking Action Battle Game" Tabe-O-Ja?
I don't like around 90% of the food I saw in this trailer. The only food from my "blaah" list not present (or maybe I just missed it) are seaweed and pumpkin.
Re: Glory Hunters Looks Like A Game Boy Zelda, And Plays Like Nothing Else
"perfect companion for many long, night-time car rides. That's how we all play Game Boy, right?"
No, that's how it's played in places with non humanistic urban planning.
Re: 'Snatcher' And 'Metal Gear' Composer Motoaki Furukawa Sued Over Payment Dispute
Too bad, it looks like something I'd like to play.
Re: Feature: Brownies President Talks 'Egglia Rebirth' And Working On 'Mother 3'
Finnish, Scottish… all the same if you look at it from 1000+ km.
Re: The Risqué 'Duel Princess' Returns To PC Following Switch And Steam Delisting
@XenoShaun I think it got removed because it was full of "should of" instead of "should have".
Re: Taito's RayForce Is Coming To Switch, According To New Taiwanese Rating
"…published by City Connection"
I bought quite a few games from them and every single one was really, really disappointing (some more, some less). I'm not supporting them anymore.
Re: Review: Windjammers 2 - Sweaty, Strategic, And Better Than The Near Perfect Original
@hotairballoons
"We haven't been able to play online yet, which is a bit of an issue as it's what will give this game real legs, and it's a shame that the Switch version doesn't support crossplay, as it does on Xbox and PC, but we have faith. Dotemu has done such a great job with everything else here that we reckon they'll go the distance and support the online aspects of this one. They've certainly had the time — Windjammers 2 was originally announced for a 2019 release. Fingers crossed, then."
Re: Review: Cotton Fantasy - A Joyful, Mischievous, And Incredibly Varied Shmup
This looks nice, but… this isn't really Cotton. To me it looks like somebody got the license, did whatever game he already had in his head and simply slapped Cotton over it…
That's not necessarily a bad thing, a bit of experimentation doesn't hurt I guess, but personally I find it a bit off putting.
Regardless, I'll probably still get it, it does look quite creative.
Re: Gem Wizards Tactics Brings "Cute But Demanding" Turn-Based Warfare To Switch
"Randomly generated maps that will provide endless fun"
Oh it's the old Random = Fun… not for me sadly. Pass.
Re: 'Unlock The Cat', A Minimalist Block Puzzler, Slides Onto Switch This Week
No idea what do they mean by "Unique gameplay", this looks 100 % like reskinned Rush Hour (which is in turn derived from Huarong Dao / Klotski).
Anyway the theme is nice and I really like Huarong Dao / Klotski puzzles (Rush Hour not so much) generally speaking, but I won't be buying this one because I already have various editions (DS and PC).
Re: ICYMI: Red Faction: Guerrilla Re-Mars-tered Is A Whopping 93% Off On The eShop
I like how the character in the video preview image looks at the camera with his right eye and to the left with this left eye.
(If you don't see it cover the left part of the image with your hand, look at his eye, then do the same with the other part of his face.)
Re: Random: Pokémon Piplup Aims To Get Real Swole In This New Fitness Video
So they're making fun of chubby people?... I feel personally called out.
Re: Random: Ace Attorney Says OBJECTION! To Drugs In Japanese Anti-Marijuana Campaign
@KirbysAdventure No, but it's an interesting topic… Anybody? Hmm, depends on the amount
Re: Random: Ace Attorney Says OBJECTION! To Drugs In Japanese Anti-Marijuana Campaign
"Prohibition birthed the Speakeasy, which made the illegal substance way more appealing and cool. By banning recreational substances, we make them cool and more appealing."
…appealing yes, to fools.
Re: Review: Toaplan Arcade Garage - Two Historic Shmups Archived By Arcade Port Masters M2
Actually, that puzzle game (Teki Paki) looks quite interesting.