The same thing actually happened to NA with the C64 games. They are actually sped up compared to the European versions as they run at a higher Hz than was originally intended.
PAL TVs are perfectly capable of running 60Hz these days, so there's no reason Europe can't enjoy 60Hz games like the rest of the world. All they would have to do is give them an option to play the game at 60Hz, or just give them the NA version.
It is possible that when the actual VC launches in the Spring that the games will be in their intended 60Hz, so I will hold off judgment until then.
I would call their opinion more educated in the sense that they likely have a journalism degree and know how to write a review better than I do, but at the end of the day the score they give it is still just their opinion. I respect their opinion, but I don't think disagreeing with it makes you ignorant. Disagreeing with an opinion about a game isn't the same as going up to a mathematician and telling them the Pythagorean Theorem is a lie. I've been playing games and reading about games for 20+ years, odds are I know just as much about video games as a professional reviewer does. Maybe I should have went for a journalism degree instead of accounting, lol. And as far as launches go, the Wii U and Wii's were decent, but they don't hold a candle to SNES or Gamecube's
@Captain_Balko "The staff of Nintendo Power were professional writers who had opinions that I'm sure are above you and I."
You seem like a smart enough person, surely you don't buy that? Because someone works at Nintendo Power their opinion is somehow more valid than yours or mine? Regardless, how many Wii U launch games have a Metacritic score of 95? I'll give you a hint: Zero.
What are your other "facts" that show that the Wii U launch is better? That Wii Sports had less content than Nintendoland? That doesn't mean anything, and certainly more content does not make a game better than another. Millions of people wanted a Wii just for Wii Sports, can't say the same thing for Nintendoland. And that Wii Sports didn't come in a proper case? Most people could care less about that. It certainly does not have anything to do with the Wii U launch being better. And yeah, the ports of Batman and other games may have more content, but the framerate issues make the games worse than the cheaper PS3 and 360 versions.
Basically, my point is that you have not shown a single "fact" proving the Wii U launch is better. It is all opinion.
No, a review from a trusted magazine is not a fact. It is the opinion of a reviewer. There are other reviewers that say the Wii version is the best version of Twilight Princess.
Nintendo really needs to hype the Wii U up. Tease some games. Release a few screenshots here and there. Give us a hint at what they are coming up with and what to expect in the future. Give people a reason to invest $350 in their product. There is no excitement or interest in the Wii U outside of the Nintendo faithful. Nintendo's handling of their brand new system is just baffling.
@billychaos - I read all these comments and have not found anything that would lead me to believe Nintendo is "despised". Myself, I am a big Nintendo fan and have been underwhelmed with the Wii U thus far. I just don't think it's worth the price point it's at right now, and I have been dissapointed in Nintendo's handling of the system. This doesn't mean I "despise" Nintendo or won't eventually buy a Wii U. I'm just calling Nintendo out on their mistakes. Call it tough love.
As for how well the Wii U is doing. 468k in the US in December is simply ok. Not great. The system launched and it was around Christmas, so it could have been much better. They will have a hard time making their goal of 5 million worldwide at this rate. I also read that Bloomberg article. The Wii U is at $300 million in sales while the Wii was at $270 at this point in it's life. That sounds ok, but does that number factor in inflation? And, considering Wii U's were seen on shelves everywhere, that $300 million should have been much higher. The Wii was sold out everywhere for months. And, sales does not mean profits. How profitable is the Wii U so far? We don't know yet.
I sound like a broken record here, but had they just ANNOUNCED what they were gonna do with the VC (I don't mean say it's coming, I mean tell us if we have to re-buy our games again for Gamepad use, etc.) I would have bought one at launch. They also should just TEASE some games they are working on. This silent treatment does nothing to build excitement for their new console. I think Nintendo has lost their mind.
@sweetiepiejonus - if Nintendo wants me to buy a Wii U they better not ask us to buy VC games we already bought again. I know other people feel the same as me.
Excellent questions. This article doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I'd really like to know if every VC game on the Wii VC is gonna be there day one on the Wii U's VC. And what of VC games we bought on the Wii? Will they be stuck to Wii mode?
Yeah, I am extremely careful with my consoles. I used to be so extreme I would wash my hands before handling a disc or controller, but these days I'm not that bad lol. The only Nintendo console I've had break down on me was the original NES, and it could be easily fixed by replacing the pin connector. I bought a top loading NES instead though and haven't had any problems with that model.
So for those of us who take care of our stuff, this probably won't be a big issue. The reason I think Nintendo should implement an account system is because it is an industry standard now and it only furthers the idea that Nintendo is behind the times. It also is a make or break issue for a lot of potential customers. If anything, most would see it as a negative rather than a positive feature.
I think this conversation has gone in circles, but if you could care less if Nintendo implements an account system, why tell others they are wrong for wanting one? Also, nobody plans on their console breaking or getting stolen, but things happen. Why not give the consumer some extra confidence?
@Slapshot - I agree with almost everything you said, the only difference is I absolutely love the Wii and it is probably one of my all-time favorite consoles. That makes my dissapointment with the Wii U all the more frustrating. I've been looking high and low for any reason to want to buy this console, but I can't find any. This system just does not appeal to me at all, add that to the fact that every store I go to has tons in stock makes me think that Nintendo is gonna have a rough first year with this thing.
@SCAR392 - No, this is not a more 'dedicated' way of doing things, this is a backwards, archaic system that should not exist in 2013. If you decide to upgrade from a basic to a deluxe model, or your Wii U breaks, or for whatever reason someone gets a new Wii U, sending the console in to Nintendo to transfer your stuff for you (for a fee of course) is really a good thing in your opinion? If someone gets a new Wii U, for any reason, they should be allowed to login to their account and download the games they already bought. It would not be a hard system to implement. They could make it to where all the purchases are automatically deleted from the original system.
@DePapier - fairly new to this? It's 2013, that excuse doesn't hold up. They've had plenty of time to learn from their online experiences with the Wii and 3DS, and not to mention the competition has had account based systems since 2005-2006.
@Hokori - You will be waiting a while then, as I don't ever see that happening (even though it should). I think the best we're gonna get is playing the games out of Wii mode directly on the Wii U. But even then that might just be wishful thinking.
I don't believe Nintendo ever officially announced anything. I think it was just kind of assumed because they were ditching friend codes. But feel free to show me a link if I'm wrong.
Show me what you are gonna do in way of a VC on the Wii U, Nintnedo, and I will consider purchasing a Wii U. And let's work on getting our VC games to run natively on the Wii U as well.
Nobody is arguing that Nintendo can't do this if they choose to. Nintendo can do whatever they want. That doesn't change the fact that it's a pretty poor decision.
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Re: Balloon Fight On Wii U Reportedly Running At 50Hz in Europe
The same thing actually happened to NA with the C64 games. They are actually sped up compared to the European versions as they run at a higher Hz than was originally intended.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U Virtual Console Trial Campaign's Advertising Role
Too bad I can't afford a Wii U right now, as all of the .30 cent games are ones I didn't buy on the Wii.
Re: Balloon Fight On Wii U Reportedly Running At 50Hz in Europe
I don't think it would be too difficult for them to get the games to run at 60Hz for Europeans, but yeah hopefully they have a universal format.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U Virtual Console Trial Campaign's Advertising Role
Isn't that cute, Nintendo actually advertising the VC this time.
Re: Balloon Fight On Wii U Reportedly Running At 50Hz in Europe
@SCAR
PAL TVs are perfectly capable of running 60Hz these days, so there's no reason Europe can't enjoy 60Hz games like the rest of the world. All they would have to do is give them an option to play the game at 60Hz, or just give them the NA version.
It is possible that when the actual VC launches in the Spring that the games will be in their intended 60Hz, so I will hold off judgment until then.
Re: Nintendo Reveals Plans For Wii U Virtual Console
And now we get to re-live the VC trickling games at a slow rate all over again. Congratulations Nintendo, you lost yourself a loyal customer.
Re: Resident Evil Revelations Set to Infest Wii U
I went in thinking RE5 was gonna suck and ended up thinking it was a pretty good game. Have yet to play RE6 though.
Re: This Homage To Sega's Classic Racers Could Be Speeding To The Wii U eShop
Looks good, but I think I'd rather just have Sega's classic racers on the eShop.
Re: Review: Beetle Adventure Racing! (Nintendo 64)
@Bass -
I know. It was rated though, back in the early days of the VC.
Re: Review: Beetle Adventure Racing! (Nintendo 64)
This game should have came to the VC. It was even rated for it. sniff sniff
Re: Satoru Iwata: Customers Understanding The Wii U "Will Take a Little Time"
@Captain_Balko
I would call their opinion more educated in the sense that they likely have a journalism degree and know how to write a review better than I do, but at the end of the day the score they give it is still just their opinion. I respect their opinion, but I don't think disagreeing with it makes you ignorant. Disagreeing with an opinion about a game isn't the same as going up to a mathematician and telling them the Pythagorean Theorem is a lie. I've been playing games and reading about games for 20+ years, odds are I know just as much about video games as a professional reviewer does. Maybe I should have went for a journalism degree instead of accounting, lol. And as far as launches go, the Wii U and Wii's were decent, but they don't hold a candle to SNES or Gamecube's
Re: Satoru Iwata: Customers Understanding The Wii U "Will Take a Little Time"
@Captain_Balko
"The staff of Nintendo Power were professional writers who had opinions that I'm sure are above you and I."
You seem like a smart enough person, surely you don't buy that? Because someone works at Nintendo Power their opinion is somehow more valid than yours or mine? Regardless, how many Wii U launch games have a Metacritic score of 95? I'll give you a hint: Zero.
What are your other "facts" that show that the Wii U launch is better? That Wii Sports had less content than Nintendoland? That doesn't mean anything, and certainly more content does not make a game better than another. Millions of people wanted a Wii just for Wii Sports, can't say the same thing for Nintendoland. And that Wii Sports didn't come in a proper case? Most people could care less about that. It certainly does not have anything to do with the Wii U launch being better. And yeah, the ports of Batman and other games may have more content, but the framerate issues make the games worse than the cheaper PS3 and 360 versions.
Basically, my point is that you have not shown a single "fact" proving the Wii U launch is better. It is all opinion.
Re: Club Nintendo Accounts Can't Be Linked To The Wii Shop On Wii U
It just keeps getting better.
Re: Satoru Iwata: Customers Understanding The Wii U "Will Take a Little Time"
@Captain_Balko
No, a review from a trusted magazine is not a fact. It is the opinion of a reviewer. There are other reviewers that say the Wii version is the best version of Twilight Princess.
Re: Satoru Iwata: Customers Understanding The Wii U "Will Take a Little Time"
@Captain_Balko
"So, although your opinion is valid, if you look at the facts from an unbiased perspective, the superior launch list belongs to the Wii U."
Actually, those "facts" you point out are opinions.
Re: Satoru Iwata: Customers Understanding The Wii U "Will Take a Little Time"
Nintendo really needs to hype the Wii U up. Tease some games. Release a few screenshots here and there. Give us a hint at what they are coming up with and what to expect in the future. Give people a reason to invest $350 in their product. There is no excitement or interest in the Wii U outside of the Nintendo faithful. Nintendo's handling of their brand new system is just baffling.
Re: Nintendo Announces 890,000 Wii U Sales in U.S. Launch
@billychaos - I read all these comments and have not found anything that would lead me to believe Nintendo is "despised". Myself, I am a big Nintendo fan and have been underwhelmed with the Wii U thus far. I just don't think it's worth the price point it's at right now, and I have been dissapointed in Nintendo's handling of the system. This doesn't mean I "despise" Nintendo or won't eventually buy a Wii U. I'm just calling Nintendo out on their mistakes. Call it tough love.
As for how well the Wii U is doing. 468k in the US in December is simply ok. Not great. The system launched and it was around Christmas, so it could have been much better. They will have a hard time making their goal of 5 million worldwide at this rate. I also read that Bloomberg article. The Wii U is at $300 million in sales while the Wii was at $270 at this point in it's life. That sounds ok, but does that number factor in inflation? And, considering Wii U's were seen on shelves everywhere, that $300 million should have been much higher. The Wii was sold out everywhere for months. And, sales does not mean profits. How profitable is the Wii U so far? We don't know yet.
Re: Nintendo Announces 890,000 Wii U Sales in U.S. Launch
I sound like a broken record here, but had they just ANNOUNCED what they were gonna do with the VC (I don't mean say it's coming, I mean tell us if we have to re-buy our games again for Gamepad use, etc.) I would have bought one at launch. They also should just TEASE some games they are working on. This silent treatment does nothing to build excitement for their new console. I think Nintendo has lost their mind.
Re: Nintendo Download: 10th January 2013 (North America)
Maybe I'll get world heroes 2.
Re: The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct Coming To Wii U
It will be a good day when developers use the gamepad for something other than inventory.
Re: Virtual Console Games Will Eventually Be Playable On Wii U GamePad Alone
@spark- I wish they would confirm this already. My decision to buy a Wii U or not is riding on this.
Re: Virtual Console Games Will Eventually Be Playable On Wii U GamePad Alone
@spark_of_spirit
Why do you think that?
Re: Virtual Console Games Will Eventually Be Playable On Wii U GamePad Alone
@sweetiepiejonus - if Nintendo wants me to buy a Wii U they better not ask us to buy VC games we already bought again. I know other people feel the same as me.
Re: Virtual Console Games Will Eventually Be Playable On Wii U GamePad Alone
@jogurt - I've got almost 100 titles myself (more if you count Wiiware) and you're right, we should get some kind of loyalty bonus haha
Re: Virtual Console Games Will Eventually Be Playable On Wii U GamePad Alone
@cipher - if that's the case, I may pass on the Wii U altogether.
Re: Virtual Console Games Will Eventually Be Playable On Wii U GamePad Alone
If Nintendo would have answered these questions, I may have bought a Wii U at launch.
Re: Review: Shock Troopers 2nd Squad (Wii Virtual Console / Neo Geo)
I'll get this one, since the first one is on a compilation disc.
Re: Virtual Console Games Will Eventually Be Playable On Wii U GamePad Alone
@Kirk
Excellent questions. This article doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I'd really like to know if every VC game on the Wii VC is gonna be there day one on the Wii U's VC. And what of VC games we bought on the Wii? Will they be stuck to Wii mode?
Re: The Tragic Tale of Bonk: Brink of Extinction Developer Pi Studios
I'm a Texan, lived here my whole life, and the only time I've seen it spelled "texus" is from a brand of produce that uses that spelling.
Re: Picked Up A Pre-Owned Wii U Console? You Could Have Access To Free Downloads
Yeah, I am extremely careful with my consoles. I used to be so extreme I would wash my hands before handling a disc or controller, but these days I'm not that bad lol. The only Nintendo console I've had break down on me was the original NES, and it could be easily fixed by replacing the pin connector. I bought a top loading NES instead though and haven't had any problems with that model.
So for those of us who take care of our stuff, this probably won't be a big issue. The reason I think Nintendo should implement an account system is because it is an industry standard now and it only furthers the idea that Nintendo is behind the times. It also is a make or break issue for a lot of potential customers. If anything, most would see it as a negative rather than a positive feature.
Re: Picked Up A Pre-Owned Wii U Console? You Could Have Access To Free Downloads
I think this conversation has gone in circles, but if you could care less if Nintendo implements an account system, why tell others they are wrong for wanting one? Also, nobody plans on their console breaking or getting stolen, but things happen. Why not give the consumer some extra confidence?
Re: GameStop Sales of Wii U Are Reportedly "Slightly Disappointing"
@Koto - Yeah, I guess the reason why there is not a lot of demand for the Wii U is because people are too stupid to understand it. Right?
Re: GameStop Sales of Wii U Are Reportedly "Slightly Disappointing"
@Slapshot - I agree with almost everything you said, the only difference is I absolutely love the Wii and it is probably one of my all-time favorite consoles. That makes my dissapointment with the Wii U all the more frustrating. I've been looking high and low for any reason to want to buy this console, but I can't find any. This system just does not appeal to me at all, add that to the fact that every store I go to has tons in stock makes me think that Nintendo is gonna have a rough first year with this thing.
Re: Virtual Boy Port of Faceball Is Getting A Physical Release
Why are people assuming this is pirated? For all we know, the original developers are the ones who sold the code.
Re: Picked Up A Pre-Owned Wii U Console? You Could Have Access To Free Downloads
@SCAR392 - No, this is not a more 'dedicated' way of doing things, this is a backwards, archaic system that should not exist in 2013. If you decide to upgrade from a basic to a deluxe model, or your Wii U breaks, or for whatever reason someone gets a new Wii U, sending the console in to Nintendo to transfer your stuff for you (for a fee of course) is really a good thing in your opinion?
If someone gets a new Wii U, for any reason, they should be allowed to login to their account and download the games they already bought. It would not be a hard system to implement. They could make it to where all the purchases are automatically deleted from the original system.
Re: The Tragic Tale of Bonk: Brink of Extinction Developer Pi Studios
I was excited for that game, too bad it didn't make it . Also, where is Texus?
Re: Picked Up A Pre-Owned Wii U Console? You Could Have Access To Free Downloads
@DePapier - fairly new to this? It's 2013, that excuse doesn't hold up. They've had plenty of time to learn from their online experiences with the Wii and 3DS, and not to mention the competition has had account based systems since 2005-2006.
Re: GameStop Sales of Wii U Are Reportedly "Slightly Disappointing"
I gotta laugh at the people who say this is not an issue with the Wii U but an issue with people not shopping at Gamestop. Delusional much?
Re: Picked Up A Pre-Owned Wii U Console? You Could Have Access To Free Downloads
Wake up, Nintendo.
Re: SNES Classic SimCity Removed From Wii Virtual Console
Sim Earth looks like it is still available.
Re: Nintendo Download: 3rd January 2013 (North America)
Nothing for Wii, nothing for me.
Re: SNES Classic SimCity Removed From Wii Virtual Console
Whew, glad I downloaded this last month. Is SimEarth still available?
Re: Nintendo Download: 27th December 2012 (North America)
@Hokori - You will be waiting a while then, as I don't ever see that happening (even though it should). I think the best we're gonna get is playing the games out of Wii mode directly on the Wii U. But even then that might just be wishful thinking.
Re: Capcom Wants Your Help For Future Digital Releases
I just want more VC releases from them. Demon's Crest, Knights of the Round, heck, Mega Man Soccer. Make it happen!
Re: Nintendo Is Sorry For Wii U Load Times, Is Working On A Fix
Apology accepted. Now, give me a reason to buy one.
Re: Talking Point: What Games Are You Playing This Weekend? - Festive Edition
I'm playing Resident Evil 5, Zanac X Zanac, and playing GTA3 with my wife as it's one of the few games she will play with me.
Re: Operation Friidom Petitions Nintendo For Greater Control Over Network ID Accounts
I don't believe Nintendo ever officially announced anything. I think it was just kind of assumed because they were ditching friend codes. But feel free to show me a link if I'm wrong.
Re: Operation Friidom Petitions Nintendo For Greater Control Over Network ID Accounts
I've been out of the loop for a few days, when did Nintendo say they would unlock Nintendo IDs?
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop Needs Patience
Show me what you are gonna do in way of a VC on the Wii U, Nintnedo, and I will consider purchasing a Wii U. And let's work on getting our VC games to run natively on the Wii U as well.
Re: Talking Point: Time for Wii U to Treat Us Like Adults
Nobody is arguing that Nintendo can't do this if they choose to. Nintendo can do whatever they want. That doesn't change the fact that it's a pretty poor decision.