@Mgalens Yeah, I don't know, I'm glad to play it on modern hardware but it could be better, still better than nothing. I'll take it. Keep in mind each game has its own technical difficulties for going widescreen, like, especially back then they didn't really make games with the thought that they will need to release them again in 20 years, so the code is often very very rough.
The controls are a little janky occasionally but I honestly loved the story and gameplay of these games, so much better than the ridiculous new Disney trilogy story wise.
Honestly I'm happy to be able to play this on a modern platform, but yes it does look really rough, at least being widescreen would be appreciated. Clearly almost no resources spent on this project. Understandably even supporting widescreen would probably require reworking it from scratch. Oh well, I'll probably pick it up if they release a physical version, I always wanted to play it even though I've heard it's a lot more hit and miss than Chrono Trigger.
@Dezzy70 Wii day AAAs on Wii were much smaller in scope and requirements compared to these days, so of course they could release things more rapidly. Horizon is an entirely different thing compared to a Mario or Zelda game. First off, it's a realistic game so they don't need to create everything from scratch. There are assets you can buy/scan from the real world that saves a lot of time. Also Guerrilla has more staff than Nintendo's internal studios. Finally, and no offense meant, but Horizon is not gonna be on the same level as either Mario or Zelda. It is not going to redefine the 3D platformer or the open world genre, it's just a solid game and that's about it.
@OnlyItsMeReid If it's Next Level Games, that makes it even more hype for me. I don't mind Camelot but they are not on the same level. Plus obviously NLG have the experience for a Strikers game.
Very interested about the character customization, it could make single player pretty good fun as well. Another great surprise. This Direct was a screamer.
I wanna know if it's Next Level games or Camelot developing it, though.
Actually an insane surprise, pretty crazy how this didn't get only a remaster but actually a "2D-HD" treatment. And published by Nintendo, no less, meaning it's at the very least a timed exclusive. I didn't think I'd see the day when Live-A-Live would even see the light of day again.
@Krysus They absolutely look at metrics, if everyone started playing Earthbound, they would pay attention. Realistically though, it won't happen, even if it's "free" on NSO most people won't play it.
@Dezzy70 AAA games take a very long time to be developed. Just look at Sony, they will have maybe a couple big hitters this year, we're looking at an average of 5 years of development. There aren't a ton of studios that make AAA games, outside super generic stuff like Ubisoft games. The capacity industry-wide is limited. Even Nintendo games are barely AAA, only Zelda and Mario really qualify. So if you only care about AAA games, you really ought to diversify and broaden your horizons a bit or you will have huge droughts; development times are only going up, not down, which means fewer big games per year. Back on N64 and SNES times, Rare sometimes even released 2 "AAA" (for the time) games in a single year.
@Krysus If you play it on NSO it does go towards their metrics, so you can show your interest that way. If you have an NSO sub that is. You can always play during a free trial if not.
@Matthew90 Nah, the Switch's problem is rarely the GPU stuff, you can always adjust that until it runs, even if it looks really blurry (look at Outer Worlds for instance). The games that were originally for other platforms require a lot of optimization to run in other areas as well, especially CPU which is extremely weak on Switch. No Man's Sky is a CPU heavy game and that's why I'm impressed they even bothered to port it.
Kinda unreal that this is getting DLC 10 years after its original release, but it's still selling millions of copies every year, so I guess why not? Their install base is bigger than the entirety of XBox.
@Dezzy70 If you care about AAA games mainly then Switch is not for you. The sooner you understand this, the better. I'm just saving you the trouble and disappointment.
@Lemmy_the_Koopa Were you really expecting F-Zero? Might as well complain that there hasn't been a new Yoshi's Cookie. That's about as relevant as it is in 2022.
@Dezzy70 The first year was the best because they were stacking releases that would be on Wii U to launch the console all guns blazing. Either way, I've had a lot of fun with my Switch for 5 years, if you only care for Mario and Zelda that's your own problem. I loved the Direct.
@Savage_Joe Meh, if your channel is based on copyrighted material, you're living on borrowed time by definition. Not something you can take for granted. Even if I don't see why Nintendo would claim these if they have no intention to offer a way to experience them.
@nessisonett Indeed, but that's because Visual Novels actually have interesting twists and turns. I have yet to play one that at least didn't offer me SOMETHING, even if it wasn't good. And others start out bad and are amazing after several hours of investment.
@Yorumi At least we do agree on one thing. Legends is a very good game. I just can't agree the graphics are as bad as some people make them out to be. Like, people are praising Witcher 3 which looks like an absolute blurry mess on Switch, and of course it's impressive that it even runs on the dang thing, but how do you go from that to bashing PLA to no end for its graphics? It just doesn't make any sense. The double standards and mental gymnastics applied to make GF seem like a terrible developer are astounding. This is the best looking game they have ever made. Is it on par with the very best on Switch? No, but when were GameFreak games graphical powerhouses? Never. Why should this change now? Cutting edge tech is not their focus and will never be. As I said, different developers, different strengths and weaknesses.
@nessisonett How is that different from any other genre? Visual novels are not longer than other types of games on average, there are some really long ones but average length is reasonable.
@Magician To be fair, it is not Nintendo's job to have preferential treatment on eShop, in fact games being on equal footing on there as opposed to other platforms where games that are not popular get buried is one of the reasons why smaller games thrive on Switch. There are other websites that help with discovering good titles. That said, I do think Nintendo could use a faster eShop and more sorting options.
@Ulysses And AAA characters look special and appealing? They rarely look distinct. Great character design is very very difficult and it is not an exact science.
@Yorumi Nope, I've never seen you do anything but whine and moan on anything related to GameFreak, on top of thinking you know more than you do about the topic in general. Don't get me wrong, it's fine not liking something, but as mentioned above, constructive criticism and nihilistic "critique" are miles apart. Your mindset is such that you will never be satisfied, realistically speaking. Just stating facts.
@Brydontk There's a difference between constructive criticism and nihilistic, zero respect whining. Complaining ad nauseam, calling devs useless and lazy, and demanding that GameFreak expands their staff to 2-3x the amount is not constructive criticism, it is self entitlement. Do you think GameFreak themselves think this game is the second coming of Jesus visually? Of course not. They know what they can realistically work on given their time allowance.
Look, I would seriously understand the complaints if the game was shown in "E3 settings" and it looked phenomenal, only to come out and look like trash, but everyone knew how this game looks for months. In fact, it looks better than some footage shown prelaunch. So, if you bought it, you knew what you were getting into, especially in this day and age of YouTube. No excuses.
For me the game looks beautiful at times. All the time? No, but neither does Breath of the Wild, or any other open world Switch game for the matter. Switch has poor hardware for 2022 standards, no matter how much you work on a game, the Tegra won't become a 3080RTX. Complaints are really blown way beyond proportion online. GameFreak focused on the right things judging by any metric. Sales, Twitch viewability, reviews, including user reviews. Some people think if a game is not perfect in every regard, it is an outrage, but is it, or is it just self entitlement and a niche opinion that nobody really cares about?
@Brydontk I've been reading Yorumi's comments since long before PLA was even announced and it's always been the same condescending and ungrateful attitude towards GameFreak, this is not exclusive to the comments on this thread. I'm just bored of reading the same stuff over and over at this point. Why can't people simply accept that GameFreak does not have the experience and/or resources to compete with the best open world games? You think your complaints are somehow going to change this fact?
Why do you think Microsoft bought Bethesda instead of simply creating a new studio themselves? The latter is far cheaper. As I said, knowledge does not grow on trees, nor a handheld studio can suddenly become an AAA open world game studio in a couple years. You can either accept this fact or continue not understanding game development and/or tech in general and being disappointed every time as a result. Your choice.
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Re: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Is Finally Getting DLC
@Laserbeak1982 Almost 8 then, who cares? It's still unreal.
Re: Metroid Dread Is Getting Free Updates, And The First Arrives Today
Can't wait to not try this Dread Mode.
Re: Chrono Cross Is Getting A Remaster, And Boy Does It Look Rough
@Mgalens Yeah, I don't know, I'm glad to play it on modern hardware but it could be better, still better than nothing. I'll take it. Keep in mind each game has its own technical difficulties for going widescreen, like, especially back then they didn't really make games with the thought that they will need to release them again in 20 years, so the code is often very very rough.
Re: Kirby And The Forgotten Land Gets An Epic New Trailer
Yup, lots of Odyssey vibes, I noticed some puzzle solving with all these powers, looks like the best Kirby game yet.
Re: Advance Wars 1+2: Re-Boot Camp Adds Voice Overs For Commanding Officers
Another one to the pile of shame of my backlog, day 1.
Re: Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes Hits Switch This June
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Re: Chrono Cross Is Getting A Remaster, And Boy Does It Look Rough
@Damo What makes you think that Live-A-Life is not a remake? It absolutely is a remake.
Re: Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes Hits Switch This June
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Re: It's Official, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Is Launching On Nintendo Switch This September
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Re: Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes Hits Switch This June
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Re: It's Official, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Is Launching On Nintendo Switch This September
@Banjo- You just can't be happy about something, can you?
Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Is Coming To Switch This April, Pre-Orders Now Live
The controls are a little janky occasionally but I honestly loved the story and gameplay of these games, so much better than the ridiculous new Disney trilogy story wise.
Re: Klonoa Phantasie Reverie Series Brings Two Classic Platformers To Switch In July
I own the remake on the Wii, and it's a great game, I'll probably get this too.
Re: Chrono Cross Is Getting A Remaster, And Boy Does It Look Rough
Honestly I'm happy to be able to play this on a modern platform, but yes it does look really rough, at least being widescreen would be appreciated. Clearly almost no resources spent on this project. Understandably even supporting widescreen would probably require reworking it from scratch. Oh well, I'll probably pick it up if they release a physical version, I always wanted to play it even though I've heard it's a lot more hit and miss than Chrono Trigger.
Re: Wii Sports Is Reborn As 'Nintendo Switch Sports'
@Dezzy70 Wii day AAAs on Wii were much smaller in scope and requirements compared to these days, so of course they could release things more rapidly. Horizon is an entirely different thing compared to a Mario or Zelda game. First off, it's a realistic game so they don't need to create everything from scratch. There are assets you can buy/scan from the real world that saves a lot of time. Also Guerrilla has more staff than Nintendo's internal studios. Finally, and no offense meant, but Horizon is not gonna be on the same level as either Mario or Zelda. It is not going to redefine the 3D platformer or the open world genre, it's just a solid game and that's about it.
Re: Mario Strikers: Battle League Kicks Off On Switch This Summer
@OnlyItsMeReid If it's Next Level Games, that makes it even more hype for me. I don't mind Camelot but they are not on the same level. Plus obviously NLG have the experience for a Strikers game.
Re: It's Official, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Is Launching On Nintendo Switch This September
@rjejr XCX doesn't tie into anything, it is also pretty bad compared to the other three (including Torna). Still worth playing, but don't expect much.
Re: It's Official, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Is Launching On Nintendo Switch This September
@jrt87 Behave.
Re: Mario Strikers: Battle League Kicks Off On Switch This Summer
Very interested about the character customization, it could make single player pretty good fun as well. Another great surprise. This Direct was a screamer.
I wanna know if it's Next Level games or Camelot developing it, though.
Re: Square Enix's SNES JRPG 'Live A Live' Is Coming To The West After Almost 30 Years
Actually an insane surprise, pretty crazy how this didn't get only a remaster but actually a "2D-HD" treatment. And published by Nintendo, no less, meaning it's at the very least a timed exclusive. I didn't think I'd see the day when Live-A-Live would even see the light of day again.
Re: EarthBound And EarthBound Beginnings Are Joining Nintendo Switch Online Today
@Krysus They absolutely look at metrics, if everyone started playing Earthbound, they would pay attention. Realistically though, it won't happen, even if it's "free" on NSO most people won't play it.
Re: Wii Sports Is Reborn As 'Nintendo Switch Sports'
@Dezzy70 AAA games take a very long time to be developed. Just look at Sony, they will have maybe a couple big hitters this year, we're looking at an average of 5 years of development. There aren't a ton of studios that make AAA games, outside super generic stuff like Ubisoft games. The capacity industry-wide is limited. Even Nintendo games are barely AAA, only Zelda and Mario really qualify. So if you only care about AAA games, you really ought to diversify and broaden your horizons a bit or you will have huge droughts; development times are only going up, not down, which means fewer big games per year. Back on N64 and SNES times, Rare sometimes even released 2 "AAA" (for the time) games in a single year.
Re: It's Official, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Is Launching On Nintendo Switch This September
Absolute megaton. I loved the Direct but even if this was the only thing on it, I would be content. And it's coming out soon, too.
Re: EarthBound And EarthBound Beginnings Are Joining Nintendo Switch Online Today
@Krysus If you play it on NSO it does go towards their metrics, so you can show your interest that way. If you have an NSO sub that is. You can always play during a free trial if not.
Re: Spacefaring Epic 'No Man's Sky' Is Coming To Nintendo Switch
@Matthew90 Nah, the Switch's problem is rarely the GPU stuff, you can always adjust that until it runs, even if it looks really blurry (look at Outer Worlds for instance). The games that were originally for other platforms require a lot of optimization to run in other areas as well, especially CPU which is extremely weak on Switch. No Man's Sky is a CPU heavy game and that's why I'm impressed they even bothered to port it.
Re: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Is Finally Getting DLC
Kinda unreal that this is getting DLC 10 years after its original release, but it's still selling millions of copies every year, so I guess why not? Their install base is bigger than the entirety of XBox.
Re: Wii Sports Is Reborn As 'Nintendo Switch Sports'
@Dezzy70 If you care about AAA games mainly then Switch is not for you. The sooner you understand this, the better. I'm just saving you the trouble and disappointment.
Re: Poll: What Are Your Hopes For The February Nintendo Direct?
@Lemmy_the_Koopa Were you really expecting F-Zero? Might as well complain that there hasn't been a new Yoshi's Cookie. That's about as relevant as it is in 2022.
Re: EarthBound And EarthBound Beginnings Are Joining Nintendo Switch Online Today
I own these on Wii U but I'm not connecting that dreadful console on my TV again so I'm very happy to play them on NSO.
Re: Wii Sports Is Reborn As 'Nintendo Switch Sports'
@Dezzy70 The first year was the best because they were stacking releases that would be on Wii U to launch the console all guns blazing. Either way, I've had a lot of fun with my Switch for 5 years, if you only care for Mario and Zelda that's your own problem. I loved the Direct.
Re: Spacefaring Epic 'No Man's Sky' Is Coming To Nintendo Switch
Initially I was thinking it's a Cloud version, how does it even look so good? Amazing stuff.
Re: Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes Hits Switch This June
Looks great, I'm gonna pick it up.
Re: Wii Sports Is Reborn As 'Nintendo Switch Sports'
@Dezzy70 Just because you don't like this type of game doesn't make it a waste of time, not everything has to be for you.
Re: Nintendo Direct To Air Today, Wednesday 9th February 2022
@Roam85 Worse than Pokemon fans? Not likely.
Re: Bandai Namco Has Slightly Changed Its New Logo
Looks like a logo of a telecoms company like talktalk or something.
Re: YouTube Confirms Copyright Claims On GilvaSunner's Channel Were From Nintendo
@Savage_Joe Meh, if your channel is based on copyrighted material, you're living on borrowed time by definition. Not something you can take for granted. Even if I don't see why Nintendo would claim these if they have no intention to offer a way to experience them.
Re: 'All Aksys' Showcase To Feature At Least 6 Upcoming Switch Games
@nessisonett Indeed, but that's because Visual Novels actually have interesting twists and turns. I have yet to play one that at least didn't offer me SOMETHING, even if it wasn't good. And others start out bad and are amazing after several hours of investment.
Re: Nintendo Direct To Air Tomorrow, Wednesday 9th February 2022
@outsider83 I love their output, too bad you don't. Maybe your taste is too niche.
Re: 'Zelda' Meets 'Super Mario Maker' In Super Dungeon Maker
@Dizavid Some people also have no idea about game design and what works and what doesn't.
Re: Are Complaints About Pokémon Legends: Arceus' Graphics Fair? Digital Foundry Digs In
@Yorumi At least we do agree on one thing. Legends is a very good game. I just can't agree the graphics are as bad as some people make them out to be. Like, people are praising Witcher 3 which looks like an absolute blurry mess on Switch, and of course it's impressive that it even runs on the dang thing, but how do you go from that to bashing PLA to no end for its graphics? It just doesn't make any sense. The double standards and mental gymnastics applied to make GF seem like a terrible developer are astounding. This is the best looking game they have ever made. Is it on par with the very best on Switch? No, but when were GameFreak games graphical powerhouses? Never. Why should this change now? Cutting edge tech is not their focus and will never be. As I said, different developers, different strengths and weaknesses.
Re: 'All Aksys' Showcase To Feature At Least 6 Upcoming Switch Games
@nessisonett How is that different from any other genre? Visual novels are not longer than other types of games on average, there are some really long ones but average length is reasonable.
Re: Best Cheap Nintendo Switch Games
@Magician To be fair, it is not Nintendo's job to have preferential treatment on eShop, in fact games being on equal footing on there as opposed to other platforms where games that are not popular get buried is one of the reasons why smaller games thrive on Switch. There are other websites that help with discovering good titles. That said, I do think Nintendo could use a faster eShop and more sorting options.
Re: 'All Aksys' Showcase To Feature At Least 6 Upcoming Switch Games
Meh, I was hoping for at least one non-Otome VN, perhaps the sequel to NG. Maybe Paradigm Paradox isn't strictly otome?
Re: Nintendo Direct To Air Tomorrow, Wednesday 9th February 2022
@spacemoe505 Oh no, I literally got it for Gamecube a few days ago.
Re: 'Zelda' Meets 'Super Mario Maker' In Super Dungeon Maker
@Ulysses And AAA characters look special and appealing? They rarely look distinct. Great character design is very very difficult and it is not an exact science.
Re: Are Complaints About Pokémon Legends: Arceus' Graphics Fair? Digital Foundry Digs In
@Yorumi Nope, I've never seen you do anything but whine and moan on anything related to GameFreak, on top of thinking you know more than you do about the topic in general. Don't get me wrong, it's fine not liking something, but as mentioned above, constructive criticism and nihilistic "critique" are miles apart. Your mindset is such that you will never be satisfied, realistically speaking. Just stating facts.
Re: Are Complaints About Pokémon Legends: Arceus' Graphics Fair? Digital Foundry Digs In
@Brydontk There's a difference between constructive criticism and nihilistic, zero respect whining. Complaining ad nauseam, calling devs useless and lazy, and demanding that GameFreak expands their staff to 2-3x the amount is not constructive criticism, it is self entitlement. Do you think GameFreak themselves think this game is the second coming of Jesus visually? Of course not. They know what they can realistically work on given their time allowance.
Look, I would seriously understand the complaints if the game was shown in "E3 settings" and it looked phenomenal, only to come out and look like trash, but everyone knew how this game looks for months. In fact, it looks better than some footage shown prelaunch. So, if you bought it, you knew what you were getting into, especially in this day and age of YouTube. No excuses.
For me the game looks beautiful at times. All the time? No, but neither does Breath of the Wild, or any other open world Switch game for the matter. Switch has poor hardware for 2022 standards, no matter how much you work on a game, the Tegra won't become a 3080RTX. Complaints are really blown way beyond proportion online. GameFreak focused on the right things judging by any metric. Sales, Twitch viewability, reviews, including user reviews. Some people think if a game is not perfect in every regard, it is an outrage, but is it, or is it just self entitlement and a niche opinion that nobody really cares about?
Re: Feature: Our Predictions For The February 2022 Nintendo Direct
What will be shown: All of my favourite games.
What won't be shown: None of yours.
Re: Nintendo Direct To Air Tomorrow, Wednesday 9th February 2022
@outsider83 I hope that's exactly what we get. Go away.
Re: Are Complaints About Pokémon Legends: Arceus' Graphics Fair? Digital Foundry Digs In
@Brydontk I've been reading Yorumi's comments since long before PLA was even announced and it's always been the same condescending and ungrateful attitude towards GameFreak, this is not exclusive to the comments on this thread. I'm just bored of reading the same stuff over and over at this point. Why can't people simply accept that GameFreak does not have the experience and/or resources to compete with the best open world games? You think your complaints are somehow going to change this fact?
Why do you think Microsoft bought Bethesda instead of simply creating a new studio themselves? The latter is far cheaper. As I said, knowledge does not grow on trees, nor a handheld studio can suddenly become an AAA open world game studio in a couple years. You can either accept this fact or continue not understanding game development and/or tech in general and being disappointed every time as a result. Your choice.