As someone that played and completed both new ones on ps5, that looks mightily impressive. Kudos to squeenix for that port! Not for me though, as not buying part 1 a third time 🤣
@Ooccoo_Jr was gonna say the same - but I usually buy the 50/100 gbp credit; seeing as there's probably gonna be a lot of "paid for" upgrades on s2, I may as well get a 100 - already burnt through a 50 with welcome tour, fast fusion and jamboree 🤣
@Pillowpants I remember it in gamestation, and being a massive buyer of games at that time of my life, was one i never got... can't remember if it was usa / uk but I remember then it was around 60 used, so was like a holy grail at the time 🤣
***edit*** just saw your from NL, just to clarify im from UK.
@PinderSchloss not knocking you, as i completely see your point, if thats the decision made in design, but also consider that it could be budgetary / graphical / timing constraints, or; less than that a design choice to represent people in wheelchairs.
Unless someone explicitly asks the devs a question akin to this, we'll never know, but i just presume it'd more of a "nintendo being nintendo" approach, as they barely ever do realism.
Look at it through a stylised lens and maybe you can forgive whatever the design choice in the end was?
@GVIL well it was on LRG - I bought whatever the deluxe version contains for I think 100 dollars (about 75 quid)... so keep an eye on play Asia or VGP and there may be one in due time.
And it completed a WHOLE LAP as a back marker on the 8hr race! The rider proclaimed it was the most tranquil endurance race ever, just going by, watching the grass grow!
@MischiefMaker thats who i wanted to see as im a massive fan of Jarv; and kasabian... but my Mrs is from Greece, and she's used to waiting for tickets and they were gone when we decided to try and get a weekender!
And yeah, I like the song too - well chuffed when they played it in cardiff day one. That and the masterplan are my two favourites personally, and two stone cold classics!
I know my Mrs is going to one of the parallel / adjacent festivals instead, as well as she saw wet leg in the week. Off to see Public Image Ltd myself at the foundry this week... busy summer of retro music for me!
@deecas yep im the same 3☆ everything and as soon as I did that, I came off playing it, whereas im still trying to get all the stars on 8! Maybe when they add more modes / live events, ill dip back into it, other than a game or two online with friends...
Patapon on my own and Mario party tv when my cousin comes later, as I finished the DK story and only a clean up to do... though with no spoilers, I was a little disappointed with the "true" ending and length, though the "original ending" was cool, as a 30+ year player of DK's adventures!
Got to admit, given what seems a relatively short move set, im enjoying the destruction and level design. At the mines/ foundry tupe level at the moment and some puzzles I keep thinking "huh", only to remember that you can dig down... truly brings a new perspective to 3D gaming... no pun intended.
Add to that the rhythm you can get into clapping, smashing and climbing and its just pure joy.
@Solomon_Rambling ah its not a lot. Just turns your switch into a nintendo character pilotable mech. It said explicitly when you launched it that it was not to be used for world domination or recreating power rangers episodes with friends.
@Tibob with a kaufman reference, its a "forgiven" from me... but it also makes it even more bemusing that he would know what was (i presume) a pretty obscure (but definitely big in england) kids cartoon... i know we had mighty in blighty 🤣
@Jeronan honestly you and youre son are good. Not berating you here, as i know not everyone understands the complexities of all of this, but so long as you are sharing the cartridge, and especially if you bought the game new on release, you cannot be playing it at the same time as a pirate.
Equally, you and your son cannot play the same cart at the same time as there's only one of that specific cart (due to a unique identifier on the cart).
The only way a problem MAY arise is if that game was 2nd hand when you bought it - unless of course you bought it from someone you genuinely trust.
Basics are, if the game was new, nothing to worry about. And nintendo encourages legitinate game sharing as seen with digital of late and they've even said its fine to share a cart with others... look at it as free advertising in some cases and they may get another sale.
It's just if that game was copied by a pirate that you would have a problem.
@The_Nintend_Pedant im unsure about the whole thing (how i feel, how its implemented etc) and about your overall view, but im happy to agree to disagree, as until there's concrete proof of it disrupting a lot of people - by which i mean consumers, and innocent at that - and seeing it can be reversed, im a little skeptical how it will all pan out myself.
My history with the MIG is well documented in one article, so I dont need to bang on; but i am fully aware of the risks.
If it does stop piracy then great. If it seemingly affects more consumers than pirates (as let's face it, we can be pretty sure any pirates complaining their switch is broken will be contacted via Nintendo, after asking reddit etc for information on the person and pursue them) which will most likely be the case, then the proof will soon come out.
But I do wholeheartedly see your points. I'm just not entirely sure about some, whilst we agree also on some. Thats humanity for ya!
@The_Nintend_Pedant hope you dont mind me butting into this from yesterday, but to try and clarify (and not being argumentative - so sorry if you understand this already); but its unknown if nintendo can detect the MIG directly as it functions as a "legitimate" card (ie, one supplied by them that can be bought anywhere).
But they can identify the unique serial codes / certificates embedded in the cart. These can be copied with a MIG dumper etc - if the pirate dumps and then uploads / keeps the rom, and sells the original, nintendo can then detect that the same certificate is being used (at the same time) on two separate switches (when logging online, there may obviously be a delay). So if the time stamp if equal, I think we all agree thats impossible.
So what nintendo should do (though im not 100% in agreement with myself on this) is ban both consoles (or more) that have those time stamps, and leave a route open for legitimate owners of carts (as it appears to be in the article).
It's not perfect, and it is in some respects anti second hand / anti consumer; but if they can't actually detect the MIG, then they have to do it the only way they can at this moment. If it is true that you can provide provenance for the original cart, then yes its a faff, but at least it can be reversed by nibtendo it seems, which i am all for. It shows in a way that they aren't anti second hand. They're just doing a relatively bad thing with the tools at their disposal.
Could they have perhaps found another software workaround? Perhaps, im not a technician by any stretch, but are they combating legitimate piracy in dumping the games, and then selling / returning; thereby getting the game for free? Yes.
As I say, I personally dont think its ideal, but as a small sliver of hope at least there seems to be a door open for legitimate 2nd hand buyers. It's people that aren't aware of this issue I'm concerned about, like parents who may buy a used game and then have no idea why - at very least - the online proportion of the system may be locked out.
Hope that clears it up a little - again, not trying to start a war, and trying to help you see what others were "discussing" with you.
And to think of the backlash I faced last week when I said i'd happily provide evidence that I owned the games I dumped and were safe and not sold... if this is true, then it was all a bit silly, really.
If its not true, then I'll continue to take my own risks with my own hardware and software.
I wouldn't sell on anything that is nerfed anyway unless I specifically told the potential buyer.
And yet again, legitimate pirates bad. Just so we're clear!
@Yozora146_ sorry you gor lost in the shuffle yesterday.
No my switch is not modded; either internally (hardware) or OS (software - putting differentiation in there just so its acutely and easily visible).
The only "modification" is the MIG card itself, which is unlicensed, and im well aware of the potential repercussions (via Nintendo or MIG themselves) that could have occurred.
The dumps are my own carts that I have bought and backed up using the dumper as and when I want them on the SD itself.
As advised prior, I make sure the files are destroyed when I complete the games, or when I sell said original (official cart) copy.
To that end, and i know people won't believe me because of prior responses, and in some cases misinformation; i do not use it to activate cheats, manipulate systems or anything else, other than the reason it was officially sold under, I bought it for, and I still use it for: playing copies of my own games.
And to clarify, whether people think its illegal or not, its my hardware and games. I do with my items what I like. What I do doesnt really hurt anyone, as I dont sell the copies, I dont share them or anything else you can think of. Don't blame me for piracy, blame the 99.9% of the users that use it that way.
To that end, my purchase of 1 mig cartridge does nothing compared to the 999 others that cost nintendo say £50 a pop for a game, as nintendo, LRG, SRG, and any other publisher still get their money from me.
Again, thanks for being indifferent to the problem (for want of a better word). I just had to come off here yesterday as people blatantly dont want to hear that some people who buy "piracy" things dont pirate. And piracy to me is the same as it was with VHS back in the day - copy, sell on and cost the distributor / publisher money.
Sorry for long reply to your name specifically. Just wanted to answer and respond to some other stuff. And thats all im saying.
@SuperRetroArt believe me, I can take a hit on my SW1 being bricked, and waaaaay above why I said i wasn't "dumb" enough to use it in a SW2. I'm always well aware of risks (even if i believe them to be negated by my diligence, you never know with nintendo haha!), hence why its staying in my SW1. SW2 is for switch 2 only, believe me!
And yes, I understand the logistical nightmare- thats one one of the "off the top of my head" things I mentioned. It's actionable, but at what cost? Equally, as i (again) said waaaaay above, they could also ask the user (if they believe them to be using a rom) to insert the actual cartridge (would take resources such as firmware update, blah blah) or be disconnected until they do so.
Fiiiiiiiinally; yes the codes can be altered; but if the person with the original cartridge was to get the above theoretical warning, they could do it, nintendo do a quick license check (as its obvious from prior actions they can detect an actual legit cart or not) and away the cartridge owner gies with little relative fuss, whereas the one that can't verify gets their console bricked.
Look, thats all theoretical, and no nintendo dont want to check everything; but if they are taking this as seriously as they are, they will think of something. There's probably a much more efficient way of doing it, but thats my layman's way of looking at it.
It's possible. It's relatively easy (from my perspective), and if the original cart is to hand, then you have nothing to worry about.
@SuperRetroArt regarding "going out and buying a copy of the game" it doesnt work like that. Each cart has a unique certificate to itself thats logged when you play online. Hence why its possible to tell if a cart is legit to that on the MIG. I dont want to belittle you, but its this kind of reaction to us users that use it for personal use that likes to tar everyone with the "piracy" brush, and exactly why i dont like it.
You would have to be very lucky if you were a pirate with a pirated copy of MK8D AND buy the cartridge with the exact same license code... odds are what? 68m to 1?
Hope that clears up my whole "you can check" arguments.
@SuperRetroArt yes i can see its wide open, but can you not see (as I've previously said) i found a use case for me that is not piracy, is not stealing, and helps my personal situation.
Again, not saying piracy is good. Not accepting of it, not telling people to go out and do it. I'm saying I do what I feel is best with my machine, and under my countries current laws, its perfectly acceptable.
Can you just accept that I agree with you on some points, such as piracy; but what im doing is fine in my situation, and useful to me? You may not agree with it, and thats fine.
I've really not been looking for an argument, and some things I've said as an absolute worst case / off the top of my head / joke scenario as I love free thinking (its the way my brain is).
Look, we both agree on one thing, if not the overall thing we're discussing - agree to disagree on that at least. I've no intention of supporting pirates; even if that is what you personally believe, I do not share my ROMS, I do not upload them to the Internet for others to use. I'm actually to a strong extent on your side.
@SuperRetroArt give it a rest! When I bought mine, I didn't think "ooh piracy", like James woods with reeces pieces, I thought of a use case that could benefit me personally.
Same as if I buy a dodgy stylus for my Samsung laptop because its cheaper and still works. If I do that am I supporting the triads? Jeesh.
@Misima the problem with philosophy is everyone can be right - again, under my laws, I do not pirate, yet under US I do... if i took my MIG to USA, could I then be prosecuted? Getting into some meta philosophy now 🤣
But seriously, again; I do not condone piracy in the way that most people see the MIG as. I do condone a use case whereby my justification and your accident that you've shared, along with laws of the land converge into a very small 3 circle Venn diagram.
@SuperRetroArt I feel the same reading comments as well, as if they can tell that a hookey game is being used, they can certainly tell that only one legitimate certificate is being used on one device.
If someone changes the coding of the certificate on a MIG dump to make it seem legitimate (and I know its possible, as i fell down the rabbit hole and found out as much about it as I could), then as I said above, nintendo should be able to detect a legitimate cartridge from a bad one. We're in an age of technology. I've honestly nothing to worry about when I know I am the sole owner of the cartridges that I play and don't upload to the Internet.
The physical proof is in a collection of 250 physical games I have in my room - id happily send nintendo the cartridge to prove that I am the sole owner of that certificate, and they can ban anyone else using it.
And this is why im troubled by comments as its really not that hard if nintendo wanted to go about things legitimately with banning / bricking.
If nothing else, it would create more jobs, whilst making sure the right people got banned. Just thinking out loud.
@MamaSymphonia as said otherwise, im in the UK. I'm aware of the situation. As long as I don't file share (which i dont) I'm ok from a legal.persepective - but thank you for the reasonable and detailed response without digging into me.
@dePaige22 I know youre trying to support me, but hardly helpful 🤣
But I know im in legally grey area here - especially when it comes to international law, but what im doing in my country is fine. I'm happy enough defending it, whilst speaking against actual file sharing piracy, that no one seems to understand im not doing 🤣
@SuperRetroArt I am, and I've admitted im a small use case of using it for non-nefarious purposes. I can't stop what nintendo are doing, and if they do something to my console, I admit full responsibility, but I still would have the original carts to prove that I am playing my own carts.
I don't condone piracy the way that many see a MIG as, but im not going to be told that im a pirate by legitimately playing back ups of my own games, under the law of my own country.
And im using logic to justify my logic. If you disagree then fine - its my item, after all and I'll do as I please, provided its legally correct.
As for logic, so if you bought something not created by Nintendo (say an unofficial set of joycons) that serve a legitimate purpose but wasn't "legit" (licensed) and nintendo can detect that, they can freeze up any system resource that they please?
@sethfranum well i say otherwise. As above, so below it seems; i put 2 or 3 at a time on my MIG (of fully backed up carts that I own, and never share apart from with family - even those are not on the MIG) in case i lose my physical games. I'd much rather lose (at the time it was new) a £70 cart and SD card than £150 worth of games. At the end of the day, id still have my official cards to prove provenance, and some other schmuck (similar to what others have said - put something that shouldn't be in their S2; in this case a "game" found say on a train) Would end up with no recourse.
I'm fully aware of what nintendo can do, but im playing legit backed up copies of my own games that I know anyone I lend the actual approved and official cartridge won't copy.
Also, when i sell a used game, I delete the ROM from my SD card, and computer, and then empty the recycle bin.
In that respect, yes, I have the game for the game. But not in the way you are implying.
I'm not saying everyone does this by any stretch of the imagination, but there are legit usage cases for this item. It's like saying no one should ever use an external battery pack for S1 / Phone / whatever because its not officially endorsed. The vendors that sold it knew what they were doing, but I personally didn't buy it for those reasons, so please don't throw us all in the same boat. At least differentiate between pure piracy and legitimate reasons.
Thats akin to saying the Black Hats are bad because they do hacking - not quite, but surely you can sit on the fence and see both views, even if the dark side is more promising to 90% of users, unfortunately.
@Yosti I've no doubt i am, but just need to speak up for legit users.
Nah, its more of a throwaway sarcastic comment, but nintendo could create a nintendo MIG cart and basically say, yeah back it up (for a premium), but if we notice that the certification on your cartridge that you've backed up is used elsewhere (and insufficient evidence can be provided, such as IP, your account on the system, whatever) then we reserve the right to ban / brick all consoles associated with that certificate.
Pipe dream, and again part sarcastic - never gonna happen.
***edit*** they could also render you liable for all court costs etc associated with piracy if it blew out of control as well (like being patient 0 of a million counterfeit ROMS in the wild!)... its not like they don't like lawsuits 🤣
@Otimus good point - is completely forgot about that aspect in my above post; maybe it was the fact they could see the original cartridge was used at a certain point and as it was at (or close to) the end of its life, they just let it roll and decided to focus resources in that regard to s2...
I mean if I play my dumped game, that is still stored safely in my house, then they can't check the hexagonal code that issues the certificate because its only being flagged as one user online under the same IP etc (if using multiple devices, which i do).
Therefore they most probably were banning those that failed to install certs to root folder / could see multiples of the same certs being used, and just cast a net on those...
Maybe something is fishy... more complex than I can figure now. You've really opened Pandora's box on that one 🤣
@NFrealinkling The problem is defining pirating. I and many others (though we are perhaps in the minority of most use cases) use the MIG on S1 so I don't lose my carts, saving money in the process. Thats not pirating, as I still own the original carts.
However, I also wasn't "dumb" enough to use mine on S2, in case nintendo had sussed something out, rendering my £400 console useless.
In short, I both agree and disagree....
Surely there's a way nintendo can verify this? Not ideal, but even if they detect it, issue a warning saying that you must insert the original cart to check licenses within (x) time? Hardly ideal, but its a work around.
That way, everybody who is using them legit wins, and nintendo still gets to show people the ban hammer.
I mean, they could also create the same thing for the reasons legit people use it for, with the same restrictions. But thats just too complex for a hardware and software company 🤣
@fabiop I had the same problem... and lent a switch to my cousin (i have a lite, OLED and V2)... unfortunately they moved 50 miles away and the switch they have is the primary, and no way am I taking the s2 "out and about", unless i know its in a relatively secure hotel or similar 🤣
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Re: Video: We've Played Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade On Switch 2
As someone that played and completed both new ones on ps5, that looks mightily impressive. Kudos to squeenix for that port! Not for me though, as not buying part 1 a third time 🤣
Re: Shinobi: Art Of Vengeance To Get Classic SEGA Villains Stage DLC Next Year
@axelhander God I loved pso... especially when the mods were rampant on dream cast... some ganes were comically stupid 🤣
Re: Shinobi: Art Of Vengeance To Get Classic SEGA Villains Stage DLC Next Year
@axelhander ill get my spread needle 🤣
Re: Deals: Get 5% Off Nintendo eShop Credit & Switch 2 Games In Our Summer Sale
@Ooccoo_Jr was gonna say the same - but I usually buy the 50/100 gbp credit; seeing as there's probably gonna be a lot of "paid for" upgrades on s2, I may as well get a 100 - already burnt through a 50 with welcome tour, fast fusion and jamboree 🤣
Re: Review: CRKD x Gibson Guitar Controller For Switch + Switch 2 - Great Quality, At A Price
@AG_Awesome have you tried rocksmith+?
Re: Capcom 'Platinum Titles' Sales Update - Monster Hunter, Resident Evil And More
Where's viewtiful Joe?
Re: The Legend Of Zelda Movie's Official Social Media Account Goes Live
@Fiskern metropolis hasn't aged well 🤣
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch 2's GameCube Library Next Week
@Pillowpants I remember it in gamestation, and being a massive buyer of games at that time of my life, was one i never got... can't remember if it was usa / uk but I remember then it was around 60 used, so was like a holy grail at the time 🤣
***edit*** just saw your from NL, just to clarify im from UK.
Re: Review: Gradius Origins (Switch) - An Almost-Perfect Package For Shoot 'Em Up Fans
@GVIL no probs, glad i could help!
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting The Switch 2's Next Exclusive 'Drag x Drive'?
@PinderSchloss not knocking you, as i completely see your point, if thats the decision made in design, but also consider that it could be budgetary / graphical / timing constraints, or; less than that a design choice to represent people in wheelchairs.
Unless someone explicitly asks the devs a question akin to this, we'll never know, but i just presume it'd more of a "nintendo being nintendo" approach, as they barely ever do realism.
Look at it through a stylised lens and maybe you can forgive whatever the design choice in the end was?
Re: Review: Gradius Origins (Switch) - An Almost-Perfect Package For Shoot 'Em Up Fans
@GVIL well it was on LRG - I bought whatever the deluxe version contains for I think 100 dollars (about 75 quid)... so keep an eye on play Asia or VGP and there may be one in due time.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Is Laser-Targeting Your Toddlers With This New 'My Mario' Line
@Nintoz including a life size doll, to go to the more "discerning collectors", complete with various outfits that may or may not be NSFW 🤣
Re: Random: Honda's Pokémon Koraidon Motorbike Looks Laughable In Practice
And it completed a WHOLE LAP as a back marker on the 8hr race! The rider proclaimed it was the most tranquil endurance race ever, just going by, watching the grass grow!
Re: Nintendo Schedules Network Maintenance For Thursday
January? Talk about advanced notice 🤪
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (26th July)
@MischiefMaker thats who i wanted to see as im a massive fan of Jarv; and kasabian... but my Mrs is from Greece, and she's used to waiting for tickets and they were gone when we decided to try and get a weekender!
And yeah, I like the song too - well chuffed when they played it in cardiff day one. That and the masterplan are my two favourites personally, and two stone cold classics!
I know my Mrs is going to one of the parallel / adjacent festivals instead, as well as she saw wet leg in the week. Off to see Public Image Ltd myself at the foundry this week... busy summer of retro music for me!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (26th July)
@MischiefMaker tramlines! Woop! Was gonna go with the Mrs as she lives there, but she left it too late to buy tickets!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (26th July)
@deecas yep im the same 3☆ everything and as soon as I did that, I came off playing it, whereas im still trying to get all the stars on 8! Maybe when they add more modes / live events, ill dip back into it, other than a game or two online with friends...
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (26th July)
Patapon on my own and Mario party tv when my cousin comes later, as I finished the DK story and only a clean up to do... though with no spoilers, I was a little disappointed with the "true" ending and length, though the "original ending" was cool, as a 30+ year player of DK's adventures!
Re: Random: Shigeru Miyamoto Did Exactly What We Did When Playtesting Donkey Kong Bananza
@TwinFami you'll need a lot more banana coins than that... it'll soon go 🤣🤪
Re: Random: Shigeru Miyamoto Did Exactly What We Did When Playtesting Donkey Kong Bananza
Got to admit, given what seems a relatively short move set, im enjoying the destruction and level design. At the mines/ foundry tupe level at the moment and some puzzles I keep thinking "huh", only to remember that you can dig down... truly brings a new perspective to 3D gaming... no pun intended.
Add to that the rhythm you can get into clapping, smashing and climbing and its just pure joy.
Re: Danger Mouse Is Back With A New Game Tie-In For The Switch
@FatWormBlowsASparky close enough - and I remember that from my youth as well, so yes I know what that is! 🤣🤣🤣
Good old american cartoons on bbc/ channel 4 early mornings... and jayce (sic) and the wheeled warriors followed by pogwall 🤣
God im old 🤣
Re: Nintendo's Switch Online Playtest Program Returning, Includes Switch 2 Support
@Solomon_Rambling ah its not a lot. Just turns your switch into a nintendo character pilotable mech. It said explicitly when you launched it that it was not to be used for world domination or recreating power rangers episodes with friends.
Re: Danger Mouse Is Back With A New Game Tie-In For The Switch
@Tibob with a kaufman reference, its a "forgiven" from me... but it also makes it even more bemusing that he would know what was (i presume) a pretty obscure (but definitely big in england) kids cartoon... i know we had mighty in blighty 🤣
Re: Danger Mouse Is Back With A New Game Tie-In For The Switch
@Tibob isnt that mighty mouse?
Re: "Somewhat Mixed" - Digital Foundry Delivers Its Technical Analysis Of Donkey Kong Bananza
@JohnnyMind to be honest im in the same boat kinda as I started with a cassette deck amstrad then went to genesis / snes... so im ok with 30 fps etc.
Looking forward to tomorrow!
Re: PSA: You Might Want To Be Careful Buying Pre-Owned Switch 1 Games For Your Switch 2
@Jeronan honestly you and youre son are good. Not berating you here, as i know not everyone understands the complexities of all of this, but so long as you are sharing the cartridge, and especially if you bought the game new on release, you cannot be playing it at the same time as a pirate.
Equally, you and your son cannot play the same cart at the same time as there's only one of that specific cart (due to a unique identifier on the cart).
The only way a problem MAY arise is if that game was 2nd hand when you bought it - unless of course you bought it from someone you genuinely trust.
Basics are, if the game was new, nothing to worry about. And nintendo encourages legitinate game sharing as seen with digital of late and they've even said its fine to share a cart with others... look at it as free advertising in some cases and they may get another sale.
It's just if that game was copied by a pirate that you would have a problem.
Re: PSA: You Might Want To Be Careful Buying Pre-Owned Switch 1 Games For Your Switch 2
@The_Nintend_Pedant im unsure about the whole thing (how i feel, how its implemented etc) and about your overall view, but im happy to agree to disagree, as until there's concrete proof of it disrupting a lot of people - by which i mean consumers, and innocent at that - and seeing it can be reversed, im a little skeptical how it will all pan out myself.
My history with the MIG is well documented in one article, so I dont need to bang on; but i am fully aware of the risks.
If it does stop piracy then great. If it seemingly affects more consumers than pirates (as let's face it, we can be pretty sure any pirates complaining their switch is broken will be contacted via Nintendo, after asking reddit etc for information on the person and pursue them) which will most likely be the case, then the proof will soon come out.
But I do wholeheartedly see your points. I'm just not entirely sure about some, whilst we agree also on some. Thats humanity for ya!
But thanks for being a considered response. 👍
Re: PSA: You Might Want To Be Careful Buying Pre-Owned Switch 1 Games For Your Switch 2
@The_Nintend_Pedant hope you dont mind me butting into this from yesterday, but to try and clarify (and not being argumentative - so sorry if you understand this already); but its unknown if nintendo can detect the MIG directly as it functions as a "legitimate" card (ie, one supplied by them that can be bought anywhere).
But they can identify the unique serial codes / certificates embedded in the cart. These can be copied with a MIG dumper etc - if the pirate dumps and then uploads / keeps the rom, and sells the original, nintendo can then detect that the same certificate is being used (at the same time) on two separate switches (when logging online, there may obviously be a delay). So if the time stamp if equal, I think we all agree thats impossible.
So what nintendo should do (though im not 100% in agreement with myself on this) is ban both consoles (or more) that have those time stamps, and leave a route open for legitimate owners of carts (as it appears to be in the article).
It's not perfect, and it is in some respects anti second hand / anti consumer; but if they can't actually detect the MIG, then they have to do it the only way they can at this moment. If it is true that you can provide provenance for the original cart, then yes its a faff, but at least it can be reversed by nibtendo it seems, which i am all for. It shows in a way that they aren't anti second hand. They're just doing a relatively bad thing with the tools at their disposal.
Could they have perhaps found another software workaround? Perhaps, im not a technician by any stretch, but are they combating legitimate piracy in dumping the games, and then selling / returning; thereby getting the game for free? Yes.
As I say, I personally dont think its ideal, but as a small sliver of hope at least there seems to be a door open for legitimate 2nd hand buyers. It's people that aren't aware of this issue I'm concerned about, like parents who may buy a used game and then have no idea why - at very least - the online proportion of the system may be locked out.
Hope that clears it up a little - again, not trying to start a war, and trying to help you see what others were "discussing" with you.
Re: PSA: You Might Want To Be Careful Buying Pre-Owned Switch 1 Games For Your Switch 2
And to think of the backlash I faced last week when I said i'd happily provide evidence that I owned the games I dumped and were safe and not sold... if this is true, then it was all a bit silly, really.
If its not true, then I'll continue to take my own risks with my own hardware and software.
I wouldn't sell on anything that is nerfed anyway unless I specifically told the potential buyer.
And yet again, legitimate pirates bad. Just so we're clear!
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@Yozora146_ sorry you gor lost in the shuffle yesterday.
No my switch is not modded; either internally (hardware) or OS (software - putting differentiation in there just so its acutely and easily visible).
The only "modification" is the MIG card itself, which is unlicensed, and im well aware of the potential repercussions (via Nintendo or MIG themselves) that could have occurred.
The dumps are my own carts that I have bought and backed up using the dumper as and when I want them on the SD itself.
As advised prior, I make sure the files are destroyed when I complete the games, or when I sell said original (official cart) copy.
To that end, and i know people won't believe me because of prior responses, and in some cases misinformation; i do not use it to activate cheats, manipulate systems or anything else, other than the reason it was officially sold under, I bought it for, and I still use it for: playing copies of my own games.
And to clarify, whether people think its illegal or not, its my hardware and games. I do with my items what I like. What I do doesnt really hurt anyone, as I dont sell the copies, I dont share them or anything else you can think of. Don't blame me for piracy, blame the 99.9% of the users that use it that way.
To that end, my purchase of 1 mig cartridge does nothing compared to the 999 others that cost nintendo say £50 a pop for a game, as nintendo, LRG, SRG, and any other publisher still get their money from me.
Again, thanks for being indifferent to the problem (for want of a better word). I just had to come off here yesterday as people blatantly dont want to hear that some people who buy "piracy" things dont pirate. And piracy to me is the same as it was with VHS back in the day - copy, sell on and cost the distributor / publisher money.
Sorry for long reply to your name specifically. Just wanted to answer and respond to some other stuff. And thats all im saying.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@SuperRetroArt believe me, I can take a hit on my SW1 being bricked, and waaaaay above why I said i wasn't "dumb" enough to use it in a SW2. I'm always well aware of risks (even if i believe them to be negated by my diligence, you never know with nintendo haha!), hence why its staying in my SW1. SW2 is for switch 2 only, believe me!
And yes, I understand the logistical nightmare- thats one one of the "off the top of my head" things I mentioned. It's actionable, but at what cost? Equally, as i (again) said waaaaay above, they could also ask the user (if they believe them to be using a rom) to insert the actual cartridge (would take resources such as firmware update, blah blah) or be disconnected until they do so.
Fiiiiiiiinally; yes the codes can be altered; but if the person with the original cartridge was to get the above theoretical warning, they could do it, nintendo do a quick license check (as its obvious from prior actions they can detect an actual legit cart or not) and away the cartridge owner gies with little relative fuss, whereas the one that can't verify gets their console bricked.
Look, thats all theoretical, and no nintendo dont want to check everything; but if they are taking this as seriously as they are, they will think of something. There's probably a much more efficient way of doing it, but thats my layman's way of looking at it.
It's possible. It's relatively easy (from my perspective), and if the original cart is to hand, then you have nothing to worry about.
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@SuperRetroArt regarding "going out and buying a copy of the game" it doesnt work like that. Each cart has a unique certificate to itself thats logged when you play online. Hence why its possible to tell if a cart is legit to that on the MIG. I dont want to belittle you, but its this kind of reaction to us users that use it for personal use that likes to tar everyone with the "piracy" brush, and exactly why i dont like it.
You would have to be very lucky if you were a pirate with a pirated copy of MK8D AND buy the cartridge with the exact same license code... odds are what? 68m to 1?
Hope that clears up my whole "you can check" arguments.
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@SuperRetroArt yes i can see its wide open, but can you not see (as I've previously said) i found a use case for me that is not piracy, is not stealing, and helps my personal situation.
Again, not saying piracy is good. Not accepting of it, not telling people to go out and do it. I'm saying I do what I feel is best with my machine, and under my countries current laws, its perfectly acceptable.
Can you just accept that I agree with you on some points, such as piracy; but what im doing is fine in my situation, and useful to me? You may not agree with it, and thats fine.
I've really not been looking for an argument, and some things I've said as an absolute worst case / off the top of my head / joke scenario as I love free thinking (its the way my brain is).
Look, we both agree on one thing, if not the overall thing we're discussing - agree to disagree on that at least. I've no intention of supporting pirates; even if that is what you personally believe, I do not share my ROMS, I do not upload them to the Internet for others to use. I'm actually to a strong extent on your side.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@SuperRetroArt give it a rest! When I bought mine, I didn't think "ooh piracy", like James woods with reeces pieces, I thought of a use case that could benefit me personally.
Same as if I buy a dodgy stylus for my Samsung laptop because its cheaper and still works. If I do that am I supporting the triads? Jeesh.
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@SuperRetroArt same one as you. You want me to stop the world so you can get off? Sorry. Can't do that 🤣
But im just saying if that was an option to prove i actually owned the item, and it wasn't shared elsewhere, id happily do it.
And thats because... im not a pirate, which has been the while point of me replying to angry people this whole time.
If you are operating legitimately, then you have nothing to hide. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.
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@Misima the problem with philosophy is everyone can be right - again, under my laws, I do not pirate, yet under US I do... if i took my MIG to USA, could I then be prosecuted? Getting into some meta philosophy now 🤣
But seriously, again; I do not condone piracy in the way that most people see the MIG as. I do condone a use case whereby my justification and your accident that you've shared, along with laws of the land converge into a very small 3 circle Venn diagram.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@MamaSymphonia technically a grey area, but legally, private use is fine. Again, thanks for being reasonable.
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@SuperRetroArt I feel the same reading comments as well, as if they can tell that a hookey game is being used, they can certainly tell that only one legitimate certificate is being used on one device.
If someone changes the coding of the certificate on a MIG dump to make it seem legitimate (and I know its possible, as i fell down the rabbit hole and found out as much about it as I could), then as I said above, nintendo should be able to detect a legitimate cartridge from a bad one. We're in an age of technology. I've honestly nothing to worry about when I know I am the sole owner of the cartridges that I play and don't upload to the Internet.
The physical proof is in a collection of 250 physical games I have in my room - id happily send nintendo the cartridge to prove that I am the sole owner of that certificate, and they can ban anyone else using it.
And this is why im troubled by comments as its really not that hard if nintendo wanted to go about things legitimately with banning / bricking.
If nothing else, it would create more jobs, whilst making sure the right people got banned. Just thinking out loud.
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@MamaSymphonia as said otherwise, im in the UK. I'm aware of the situation. As long as I don't file share (which i dont) I'm ok from a legal.persepective - but thank you for the reasonable and detailed response without digging into me.
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@dePaige22 I know youre trying to support me, but hardly helpful 🤣
But I know im in legally grey area here - especially when it comes to international law, but what im doing in my country is fine. I'm happy enough defending it, whilst speaking against actual file sharing piracy, that no one seems to understand im not doing 🤣
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@SuperRetroArt I am, and I've admitted im a small use case of using it for non-nefarious purposes. I can't stop what nintendo are doing, and if they do something to my console, I admit full responsibility, but I still would have the original carts to prove that I am playing my own carts.
I don't condone piracy the way that many see a MIG as, but im not going to be told that im a pirate by legitimately playing back ups of my own games, under the law of my own country.
Hope that makes sense.
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@EriXz it is legit, just not official.
And im using logic to justify my logic. If you disagree then fine - its my item, after all and I'll do as I please, provided its legally correct.
As for logic, so if you bought something not created by Nintendo (say an unofficial set of joycons) that serve a legitimate purpose but wasn't "legit" (licensed) and nintendo can detect that, they can freeze up any system resource that they please?
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@jco83 so its illegal to make a copy of something physical in a digital format that i both own and will proactively use privately?
Sorry, but in the UK, that doesnt stick. It's only deemed illegal when I share the file.
Try again.
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@sethfranum well i say otherwise. As above, so below it seems; i put 2 or 3 at a time on my MIG (of fully backed up carts that I own, and never share apart from with family - even those are not on the MIG) in case i lose my physical games. I'd much rather lose (at the time it was new) a £70 cart and SD card than £150 worth of games. At the end of the day, id still have my official cards to prove provenance, and some other schmuck (similar to what others have said - put something that shouldn't be in their S2; in this case a "game" found say on a train) Would end up with no recourse.
I'm fully aware of what nintendo can do, but im playing legit backed up copies of my own games that I know anyone I lend the actual approved and official cartridge won't copy.
Also, when i sell a used game, I delete the ROM from my SD card, and computer, and then empty the recycle bin.
In that respect, yes, I have the game for the game. But not in the way you are implying.
I'm not saying everyone does this by any stretch of the imagination, but there are legit usage cases for this item. It's like saying no one should ever use an external battery pack for S1 / Phone / whatever because its not officially endorsed. The vendors that sold it knew what they were doing, but I personally didn't buy it for those reasons, so please don't throw us all in the same boat. At least differentiate between pure piracy and legitimate reasons.
Thats akin to saying the Black Hats are bad because they do hacking - not quite, but surely you can sit on the fence and see both views, even if the dark side is more promising to 90% of users, unfortunately.
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@Yosti I've no doubt i am, but just need to speak up for legit users.
Nah, its more of a throwaway sarcastic comment, but nintendo could create a nintendo MIG cart and basically say, yeah back it up (for a premium), but if we notice that the certification on your cartridge that you've backed up is used elsewhere (and insufficient evidence can be provided, such as IP, your account on the system, whatever) then we reserve the right to ban / brick all consoles associated with that certificate.
Pipe dream, and again part sarcastic - never gonna happen.
***edit*** they could also render you liable for all court costs etc associated with piracy if it blew out of control as well (like being patient 0 of a million counterfeit ROMS in the wild!)... its not like they don't like lawsuits 🤣
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@Otimus good point - is completely forgot about that aspect in my above post; maybe it was the fact they could see the original cartridge was used at a certain point and as it was at (or close to) the end of its life, they just let it roll and decided to focus resources in that regard to s2...
I mean if I play my dumped game, that is still stored safely in my house, then they can't check the hexagonal code that issues the certificate because its only being flagged as one user online under the same IP etc (if using multiple devices, which i do).
Therefore they most probably were banning those that failed to install certs to root folder / could see multiples of the same certs being used, and just cast a net on those...
Maybe something is fishy... more complex than I can figure now. You've really opened Pandora's box on that one 🤣
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@NFrealinkling The problem is defining pirating. I and many others (though we are perhaps in the minority of most use cases) use the MIG on S1 so I don't lose my carts, saving money in the process. Thats not pirating, as I still own the original carts.
However, I also wasn't "dumb" enough to use mine on S2, in case nintendo had sussed something out, rendering my £400 console useless.
In short, I both agree and disagree....
Surely there's a way nintendo can verify this? Not ideal, but even if they detect it, issue a warning saying that you must insert the original cart to check licenses within (x) time? Hardly ideal, but its a work around.
That way, everybody who is using them legit wins, and nintendo still gets to show people the ban hammer.
I mean, they could also create the same thing for the reasons legit people use it for, with the same restrictions. But thats just too complex for a hardware and software company 🤣
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@BBBBBBBBBBB like you didn't double check the format of a switch cartridge?
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Re: Furukawa's Defence Of Game-Key Cards Ain't All That Convincing
@fabiop I had the same problem... and lent a switch to my cousin (i have a lite, OLED and V2)... unfortunately they moved 50 miles away and the switch they have is the primary, and no way am I taking the s2 "out and about", unless i know its in a relatively secure hotel or similar 🤣
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Like many here... knew of it, never played it... but love the soundtrack and garage ain't my first choice!