Editor's note: We'll be updating this guide with news of a potential Switch 'Pro' variant as it occurs.
Nintendo is no stranger to updating and iterating its hardware. Ever since the days of the NES, the company has seen the value in refreshing its consoles to maintain consumer interest, introduce new features and bring down the cost of manufacture, and that approach hasn't changed in over 30 years.
Therefore, reports that Nintendo is working on new Switch models should come as absolutely no surprise. We've already seen the release of the portable-only Nintendo Switch Lite, but given that the Kyoto veteran is yet to formally announce a more powerful system, there's obviously a lot of speculation and rumour floating around right now.
In July 2021, Nintendo officially lifted the lid on the next Switch hardware revision: the Nintendo Switch OLED Model. While it seems like some of the reports relating to the Switch Pro were, in fact, talking about this slightly less extreme upgrade, we have documented the past rumours below regardless. Could Nintendo still have plans for a more powerful model? Let's dig through what's been said so far...
Nintendo Switch Pro - What We Know So Far
Much of the early reporting on the Switch Pro was tied up with that of the 'Switch Mini', the system revealed as the Switch Lite and essentially a replacement for the outgoing 3DS. Hints that Nintendo was working on revised Switch hardware came as early as October 2018, with The Wall Street Journal claiming that a new Switch SKU was on the way. At the time, it was said that Nintendo was still "undecided" on how it would upgrade the new model, but the plans were clearly already in place.
Then, in January 2019, analysts predicted that we'd see not one but two new models – a Switch Pro and a Switch Lite – would be going into production. Of course, these were just predictions made by people who closely watch the industry, but given Nintendo's track record of updating its systems, it was a fair assessment of the situation – although Nintendo President Shuntaro Furukawa was quick to dismiss any rumours.
In 2019, Nintendo rolled out a 'silent' update of the standard Switch hardware which reportedly uses the same improved Tegra X1 chip found in the Switch Lite. With better power efficiency and less energy consumption, it enabled the shrinking of the case for the Switch Lite and also offers substantially improved battery life in the updated standard model.
In June 2019, The Wall Street Journal reported that Nintendo was moving production out of China "to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics", according to "people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain". As part of this report, it was revealed that three Switch models will be produced at the new site in Southeast Asia – which would suggest that the current model, a Lite version and a 'Pro' version are all being made. Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa explicitly stated that Nintendo has "no plans" to introduce a new Switch model in 2020, and that was indeed the case.
While the 2019 revision of the original Switch does not constitute a 'Pro' model, the improved chip has the potential to be pushed harder than either of the current models do, and could even offer modest improvements over standard performance. Nvidia stated that it expected to have a bumper year, and some have joined the dots and connected this positivity with increased demand for components from Nintendo for not just the standard console and Switch Lite, but also perhaps a Switch Pro.
In January 2020, reports of an updated model once again bubbled up, this time with Taiwanese website DigiTimes claiming that Nintendo has plans to release a new Switch model in the middle of 2020, with production beginning in Q1. Details on the supposed new model were thin on the ground, although a magnesium alloy body and improved CPU were mentioned.
As for what improvements the Pro will offer over the existing machine, an improved Tegra X1 would only be able to offer so much. Those expecting a massive leap in performance between this model and the existing Switch may be disappointed; even a comparison with the 3DS / New 3DS might be off the mark, as Digital Foundry believes that the 'Pro' revision is more about making the chip more efficient and not about boosting power, as we've seen with the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. To offer something substantially more powerful would require shifting to a different chip (which could cause issues with compatibility with current Switch games), or potentially adding computing power to the Switch's dock (which obviously wouldn't help in handheld mode).
In January 2020, another rumour appeared which suggested that Nintendo would not use the Tegra X1 chip as previously believed. Instead, it will make use of new "custom" Nvidia processors – with the GPU supposedly based on Volta architecture. Despite this change, any serious performance improvements and other extras like 4K support were apparently not expected, with production not believed to have started – meaning a release before the end of 2020 was "unlikely". Again, this proved to be the case.
And then again in late August 2020, Taiwanese newspaper United Daily News reported that Nintendo could be set to launch a brand new Switch model early in 2021. The report cited hardware manufacturers involved in the production of current Switch models as its source, with production of this rumoured new Switch console supposedly set to begin as soon as Q4 2020, with a launch planned for Q1 2021. Early translations of the article suggested that the console will benefit from improved 'interactivity' and display quality.
In October 2020, a report suggested that Nintendo may be investigating Mini-LED displays courtesy of Taiwanese panel manufacturer Innolux Corporation. This screen tech could potentially provide contrast and brightness to rival that of an OLED screen, as well as improved battery life thanks to its more localised illumination of pixels.
However, still on the topic of displays, another report in March 2021 stated that Samsung would be providing the OLED panel for the 'new' Switch, which would sport smaller bezels than the current model's screen. This was backed up by the fact that Universal Display Corp – the company from which Samsung (and many other firms) licence OLED tech – mentioned Switch Pro during its Q1 investors call.
Further details supporting the existence of a new Switch model came with a report that Nvidia is ceasing production of its Tegra X1 Mariko chip — the SOC (system on a chip) that powers current Switch models — in 2021.
Another rumour from industry 'insider' NareDrake suggests that this new Switch hardware may have "select exclusives" — games that will only run on a Switch 'Pro' and not on currently available models.
In May 2021, reports came in that the Switch Pro would offer a Microsoft Surface-style kickstand and a LAN port on the dock – both of which are included in the Switch OLED Model. These feature could, of course, make their way onto any 'Pro' model that Nintendo is working on.
Also in May 2021, yet another rumour surfaced which suggested that the Switch Pro would be revealed before E3 2021 and could hit store shelves as early as September. Guess what? That didn't happen, although the Switch OLED Model was revealed shortly after E3 2021.
Then, in September 2021, Bloomberg issued a report which stated that it had talked to multiple developers about the fact that they had been working on 4K Switch software using tools provided by Nintendo. Nintendo immediately issued a statement that branded the reports false.
However, the very next day, a patent was made public that suggests that Nintendo is working on its own upscaling technology. Alexandre Delattre, a co-founder of Nintendo European Research and Development, is named on the document, which was actually applied for in March 2020.
Early in October 2021, it was revealed that the dock which ships alongside the Switch OLED is capable of outputting 4K 60fps, which hints that Nintendo has 'future proofed' the dock for use with more powerful hardware.
In March 2022, Switch Pro once again hit the headlines after Nvidia was subject to a hack.
Dataminer and Twitter user 'NWPlayer123' provided a summary of the findings, noting how they could potentially be evidence of a 'Pro' model system rather than a "next-gen" Nintendo platform:
NVIDIA leaks have "nvn2", which seems to be the graphics api for the Switch Pro, based on Ampere with ray tracing support and DLSS 2.2...
...There's also references to T234/T239 so this leak checks out
...even more evidence it's a delayed Switch Pro and not a next gen platform, especially since the president said the Switch is in the middle of its life
Nintendo Switch Pro - Will It Offer 4K Visuals?
One of the more common rumours regarding the Switch Pro is that the system will offer 4K visuals – a seemingly outlandish claim given that the current model often struggles to hit 1080p with some titles, and is limited to just 720p in handheld mode.
However, a report from September 2020 claims that Nintendo is asking developers to make their titles 4K-ready, which would suggest the Switch Pro will indeed have 4K – although not in quite the way many people have assumed.
It is speculated that Nintendo will seek to leverage Nvidia's Nvidia’s DLSS AI upscaling techniques, rather than pure 4K output. This process – which grants high-resolution visuals with little in the way of a performance hit – is used in Nvidia's Shield hardware, which is based on the same internal architecture as Switch. However, it seems that Nintendo is working on its own upscaling tech.
In March 2021, a report stated that the new Switch model would offer 4K visuals when in docked mode. The dock which comes with the Switch OLED supports 4K 60fps, so it could be that the same dock will be used with a more powerful Switch console.
Nintendo Switch Pro - Release Date
Given how little we've heard about the Pro and how many of the details were tied up with the Switch Lite or the 'silent' standard SKU revision, any guess at a date is pure speculation. There are plenty of rumours doing the rounds, with analysts predicting a Switch 'Pro' is incoming this year.
However, Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa explicitly stated while presented the company's financial results at the end of January 2020 that Nintendo has "no plans" to introduce a new Switch model in 2020, and given the production headaches the global COVID-19 pandemic caused, the company didn't alter those plans. One year later in January 2021, a similar statement was made saying Nintendo won't be announcing a new Switch model "any time soon" — a notably less concrete statement that leaves the door open for a launch later in the year.
Bloomberg reported that we could see the Switch Pro as early as September 2021 – unlikely in the light that the Switch OLED Model arrives a month later. The report suggested that a pre-E3 reveal of new Switch hardware was imminent and that the console would potentially launch in September or October after starting manufacturing full-time in July. This also didn't happen, with the OLED Model being shadow-dropped in July.
Some journalists, including Jeff Grubb, have stated that they've heard the Pro model is coming in 2022.
Nintendo Switch OLED Model - The Real 'Switch Pro'?
In July 2021, Nintendo officially lifted the lid on the next Switch hardware revision – but it falls short of being the 'Switch Pro' many were expecting. The Nintendo Switch OLED Model will feature a larger 7-inch OLED screen (the standard console has a 6.2-inch LCD screen), a new wider kick stand, enhanced audio through new in-built speakers, a LAN port in the dock, and 64GB of internal storage (double the 32GB of the standard model).
Could it be that this revised model isn't the Switch Pro that has been rumoured for months? Or is this a case of expectations outstripping reality, and this is indeed the 'Pro' model insiders have been talking about all this time?
Nintendo is, of course, working on new hardware all of the time, and it might be the case that the Switch Pro rumours are linked to other product development work, which will be revealed in due course. Or, Nintendo might have delayed the Switch Pro in the light of recent events, such as the COVID-19 pandemic and the shortage of components. It may even have shelved plans for a Switch Pro entirely – although, as Grubb points out, this is the company that released six variants of the 3DS, so it seems highly likely that we'll see at least one more 'enhanced' model in the fullness of time.
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Man we are milking this so hard.
We know SOMETHING is happening but too much in the air right now.
This seems a little...preliminary.
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Reports, rumours and above all, speculation: it's all here...
What We Know So Far: rumors fueled by early speculation by news sites an eager to jump manufacturers.
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https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/05/random_star_fox_grand_prix_rumour_could_make_one_of_star_fox_commands_endings_canon
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/05/rumour_retro_studios_has_another_project_in_development_alongside_star_fox
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/02/rumour_that_star_fox_racing_game_rumour_is_doing_another_lap
You know nothing, John Snow.
Announce it already Nintendooo!
Don't mind me, I'm just waiting for Godot.
Am I the only one that wants the Switch Pro to have enough power to run some current gen games portably? Make the April Fool's Direct come true Nintendo. Everything coming to Switch!. A guy can only wish.
Fake news....stop it with the fake news. Literally said 3 months ago that a mini and a pro would come out this summer even though Nintendo specifically stated they have no intention of making a new model yet. And the obvious reason for Nintendo moving switch production out of china is because of the tariffs and nothing else. The reports of three new models being made as a result of moving production is just false. No...there will not be a new switch model until Nintendo announced it so stop the FAKE NEWS!
Nothing. Its just a silly rumor!
I want the Switch Mini bad. I've hesitated from getting the original because it's too big.
@dmc79 The Switch already HAS the power to run most modern games decently. Just that the cartridges can't keep up. They are too expensive. Most modern games are over 32GB in size with some games hitting 50-100GB. Most Switch games are 16GB in size. That's what's limiting it from getting some of the third party games.
@LuciferOnReddit Tegra X2 would break compatibility with the Switch so I'll lay my bets on an X1.
Also, the power of the Switch isn't so much the issue but cartridges. People need to realise this by now.
Most Switch games are 16GB in size.
Most modern games are 50GB+.
Assume they can fit the game on a 16GB or 32GB card, you'll get like less then 1/3 of the performance basically.
Edit: And as Nintendo said, they are not competing with Microsoft and Sony because they don't see the point. Microsoft and Sony are like their siblings/brothers. Arch rivals but also best-friend. They help the industry grow and each other to make money. You NEED an Xbox/PlayStation and a Switch thus you BUY two consoles. It's marketing.
@ThanosReXXX Remember how wrong we were with the initial Switch reveal?
Oh, wait...
@Damo Oh, come on, Damien. You should have known I was only kidding. I even put in a smiley, to indicate that it was tongue in cheek.
Now, be a good sport and at the very least pretend you're able to take a friendly punch or two.
@dmc79 You're not the only one. I wish Nintendo switch would also get more modern games.
@Helix87UKNOW how is this fake news? It's a speculative article and nothing more. Switch fans on a Switch website are allowed to get excited by the prospect of a new Switch right?
Yeah but this article is way out there. And to make an assumption or speculate that because they've moved production from china that means new switch models is beyond speculation..that's just lying.
Whatever is released, if I decide to get one I better be able to redownload all of my purchased games on it. Due to the portability of the switch i have invested hundreds if not at least a thousand in digital games. In fact all of my games are digital (besides BOTW which I purchased when I got the switch and has never left the switch). I’ve been worried about this since day one and I hope Nintendo doesn’t let us down and try and get me to repay for a game I have on my switch if I decide to get the switch pro (if it is real and is released). I mean at some point No to do is going to come out with a new version so I wish I knew this answer already.
Why? Won't this compete with the 3DS which is selling like hotcakes? Fanboys keep saying how great the 3DS is selling, and even Bowser himself said the 3DS was doing amazingly well, and they won't stop supporting it anytime soon. This will create market confusion if they release a handheld, because 3DS is a handheld, Switch is not, it's only a home console, meant to replace the failed Wii U, it's why it came out in 2013, only days after Wii U launched, because it was quickly discontinued after launch.
@dmc79 i have plain switch but a switch pro will be able to hold leage legends
@Vectorman I know I know. My wallet literally can't keep up from the amount of awesome coming. But people are still complaining. They mean the "western" third party ports that everyone gets and games like Cyberpunk 2077, etc.
@XxPetriedudexX It does get modern games. My wallet can't keep up with the games coming out. Just not necessarily the latest western third party that take over 50GB to produce. Nintendo will almost always certainly never get those games at launch.
People say this every damn generation and the same results are to be had...when will they adapt and learn? Or move on?
Nintendo is about niche gaming and niche gamers. Their games might be popular but they are competing with other popular brands for your time.
Their consoles with the third party aka the Wii U NEVER SOLD. So it is total bs. Most people who want the Switch Pro are greedy for more power and has competitive issues. They want Nintendo to "crush the competition" or lose money selling expensive hardware that isn't bringing anything new.
Besides, as I said, it doesn't need more power.
It needs bigger cartridges and games that are actually of sizes rivalling the competition and also for the competition to take them seriously.
But why would they? They are competitors.
Even if Nintendo rolled out 64GB carts at launch at a cheap price with the most powerful system on Earth it STILL won't get most of the third party games that are running on competitors system because they want to avoid a monopoly which is bad for business.
Consoles exist the same reason that PC are not monopolies.
Edit: Think about it, if Beyond Good and Evil 2, Cyberpunk 2077, Final Fantasy VII Remake came to the Nintendo Switch, what's the point of a PlayStation or Xbox? For the exclusives?
For one, they wouldn't sell half as many consoles as they do today.
Xbox exclusives are mostly just shooters and doesn't really bring anything new.
PlayStation exclusives are boring/bland and rightly so. They didn't start out making games so kept them to a minimum in order to not peeve off the competition.
What Nintendo needs is more third parties like Platinum Games who would risk making game changing IP like Astral Chain for the Nintendo Switch.
@SNES64DD With all due respect, I want the switch to be more powerful so we get the best gaming experience possible at home or on the road no matter if you like single player or multiplayer games not because I have competitive issues. It will also be easier for developers to port their games over without switch owners waiting months or a year for the same port.
I never bought many 3rd party games for the Wii U and so did many other gamers for several reasons despite the Wii U being more powerful than the PS3 and 360.
1.) Many were missing content because Wii U didn't use blu-rays or HD DVD.
2.) Gamers including myself already had a console to play those same games. PS3 or 360.
3.) Wii U marketing was horrible.
4.)Many gamers didn't see Nintendo as brand you went for powerful hardware and third party support after the launch of the Wii.
5.) Wii U has some amazing games but no killer app that made people wish they owned a Wii U.
@XxPetriedudexX Well sure but that experience changes every generation based upon where the bar is set.
"Pro" iterations of game consoles are there to improve on what has already been set as standard. If the standard isn't getting third party games, the Pro version won't get any more then it does.
Yet I'm hearing people who are wanting X2 based Switch's when it isn't even used for computer gaming. They want Nintendo to basically make a leap but still keep compatibility with the OG Switch.
These people want Nintendo to get all the third party games and more basically. I understand that it can be a pain for people to own two consoles or more (or only one for that matter) but it is a choice that they make.
You mention that the Wii U had no killer app but the PS3/4 and X360/XBone didn't have for a long time and some argue still don't and they still...sold.
The fact that most Nintendo "fans" call themselves fans but will not think twice to buy a competitor's consoles say more about them then anything else. They have no understanding of Nintendo's philosophies and ascribe to buy whatever whenever.
Yes, the Wii U had no Blu-Ray/HD DVD player but people should have known this since the GameCube.
Its the same with why Netflix still hasn't arrived on the Switch.
Nintendo is a gaming company and they want people to be playing games on their console. Is that so much to ask?
Yes, many of us don't just play games but Nintendo believes that they can provide enough content for people to live without Netflix.
They focus on games and just games and they want your time...period.
Netflix is also a competitor and that's where Nintendo has always differed from the competition.
The fact that the Wii U didn't sell tells me that people just don't get it and are mostly "casual" gamers. Nothing wrong with that of course but it means Nintendo has to pander to that crowd to "sell".
(I agree that "the Wii U marketing was horrible." though but I think Nintendo's aim was trying to sell a console that was for everyone - "Wii" and "U" - and it backfired.)
The Switch is doing exactly this and that's why you may have seen some Nintendo Switch detractors complaining about Nintendo having lose their way several years back or something like that.
Personally, I would like to see a successful Nintendo console akin to the N64 and GameCube days but with SNES to Wii like sales and PlayStation doing portables like they did in 2005.
That way, we get the best of both worlds and it meant lots of great games and more great games.
Right now the market is feeling a little stale. Nintendo being Nintendo and Sony being Sony.
@Vectorman I meant that in the terms of third-party that is actually trying to make a difference on the Switch. Not just porting old games or making low budget AA titles like Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle.
Also you can kind of tell the game stands out from the pack. The gameplay looks amazing even compared to contemporaries. How many single player games that can also be played co-op?
I've played almost all the Sony exclusives and they more or less have the same "feel" to them. That's like a band that always writes music in the same tone, chords and notes. Some people find it amazing. I find it boring. Also what amazing gameplay element have I not seen or is unique to their games because I can't think of anything?
I'm not comparing a PC to console in terms of power but in terms of gaming convenience. Your PC can play games as well as do other stuff. Console arguably work better for their task, sure, and there are "consoles exclusives" but besides Nintendo games, most of them are more of the same and there are also games best played with a keyboard and mouse like Starcraft or DotA 2 or MMOs. A controller doesn't cut it in that instance and thus why console ports are somewhat useless. Yes, you can add keyboard and mouse to consoles too but it also becomes somewhat pointless in that sense as they step closer and closer to being just like a PC.
The console space survived by being unique and marketable.
Marketing and money has a lot to with it. If it didn't sell millions and millions more, I doubt anyone one would continue making them even if they were "superior" to PCs. Just compare Macs and PowerPCs to an Intel-Windows PC, why did the former almost die out while the latter thrived?
It wasn't due to superiority.
Why does McDonalds outsell most other restaurants including other fast food chains which are arguably better?
It wasn't due to superiority.
At least not necessarily a superior product.
A superior product generally doesn't sell better because often it has more factors and quality controls to consider.
Also from a marketing standpoint, it is better to sell the inferior products first until you run out of ideas then move on to the superior products.
Otherwise, we'll all have TVs with gaming consoles built in and the Nintendo Switch would be the norm, not the exception.
It's all just marketing. Why think outside the box when what's inside the box already pays the bills?
@Vectorman I'm talking about Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle. Its isn't a AAA title. More like an AA. Mario is just in it but it is mostly a run-of-the-mill top-down strategy game.
Crash Bandicoot is now owned by Activision and available on the Nintendo platform and yes, I've played most Sony games: The Last of Us. Uncharted. Jack and Daxter. Ratchet & Clank. God of War. Gran Turismo. LittleBigPlanet (interesting concept). MediEvil (huge fan). Wipeout. Ape Escape (fun times). Twisted Metal. Syphon Filter. Sly Cooper. Shadow of the Colossus. Infamous.
I've also played Spyro, Sunset Overdrive and Spider-Man from Insomniac Games.
It's not all of them but its enough. I don't really plan to revisit a large chunk of these. Feel free to tell me how most of these games are groundbreaking or amazing? ...Which by the way was a joke.
Final Fantasy is from Square and arguably isn't even their best series or best in the series. It's a mainstream jRPG with complex plot points that half the time make no sense. This applies to FF7 as well.
" Console ports are not useless."
Never said it was. Just that some games don't fit on consoles very well. Full stop. I even gave examples.
Consoles have sold over 800 million units in the last 30 years or so. That's over 27 million units being sold a year.
"Why not think out-side the box? Haha. In this day & age, more people need to do more of that."
When everyone thinks outside the box, no one is?
Most companies are trying to think outside the box when it comes to making money all the time. Most the time it backfires on them because users don't like it. Just look at "surprise mechanics"
aka loot boxes?
Is it that a "normal" game or gameplay? No.
Do users like it? No.
I...need...this...NOW!. [gets wallet] noo there is no money in here i need to find some now. dun dun dun dana dun dun dun dana i got it all the money i need ok nintendo lets do this.
@Vectorman Whatever man. You say you don't like "generalizations" but you generalise and make assumptions about people.
I also never said Sony games were bad, just generally boring which I also stated why I feel that way: It has a similar tone and feel to them. At least the ones that are left that are owned by Sony are of a generic feel. Sony is doing this because they want to market an emotion to the mainstream mature core audience and they don't want to offend or put anyone off by having any strange emotions so they take the less is more approach and it makes them come off as somewhat "stale", "generic" and more importantly "controlled" but it works for them. You're the only one seeing it in a negative light here.
Nintendo games aren't that different really. They generally have a happy-go-luckly feel to pretty much all of them. That's because their target market is "everyone and children". The difference is they tend to execute it better and change things up once in a blue moon because children are more fickle then adults.
Which is why if you understand marketing, you would have understood why both of them do this.
Also, I said a controller for games like Starcraft and DotA 2 and some MMOs doesn't work as well as a keyboard and mouse. How am I wrong?
@Vectorman Please go and learn grammar and to read between the lines before commenting and embarrassing yourself further. Seriously.
I am not an "anti-Sony basher" nor a "Nintendo fan-boy" and you say you don't generalise and assume?
I'm not being negative towards any system just stating my opinions and some perceptual truth. If you don't like it go home and have a cry.
In fact, if anything I was calling out non-specific "loyal" Nintendo fans for abandoning the Wii U due to reasons that they should have already known about. That does not make me a fanboy.
At least try to use better examples because Final Fantasy to many IS generic. Not as generic as Dragon Quest but still am. This is not even my opinion. Also as I stated Final Fantasy is not a Sony title.
My goodness, if they make a game, emotional or not that feel the same then that's being generic.
Not hard to understand.
My point is the games have an underlying tone to them that makes you recognise its a Sony, Nintendo or Ubisoft game for example.
Like anyone can recognise that Assassin's Creed was made by Ubisoft without having played a title because it gives off that Ubisoft feel.
Just as looking and acting like an Asian probably makes you an Asian.
Not hard to understand.
I also said this: "Personally, I would like to see a successful Nintendo console akin to the N64 and GameCube days but with SNES to Wii like sales and PlayStation doing portables like they did in 2005."
In order words, I like to see a competitive Nintendo doing home consoles again and a competitive Sony doing handhelds again both of which I loved.
Again tell me how I am wrong and fanboying?
Edit: Also you are again taking the whole children thing out of context like you do with everything I said. I play Nintendo games as well doesn't change that Nintendo targets these games mostly for everyone including children. Nintendo even admitted to this saying they are proud of this because the attention span of children is hard to get/please basically.
Again it is you who are looking at these things negatively. Not me.
My tone is mostly neutral.
@Vectorman Well, apparently paragraphs are not grammar now. And something being beloved and popular can't be "generic" or "boring" to other people.
Wow. "FF was so a Sony title". lol.
Strange it started on the number 7 because 1 to 6 clearly doesn't exist. And you listed a somewhat dead Sonic/DK-influenced series now owned by Activision, a popular Square game ignoring the more interesting ones and a Smash clone.
Great examples dude.
Whatever man. You do you.
I think I just realized all this could be fake. None of these manufacturers have a Nintendo licensed Seal of Quality.
@Helix87UKNOW Definitely fake. It's called the "Lite" not the "Mini", JEEZ.
After years of rumors? You mean months, right? Rumors began in October 2018, so we're not even into one full year.
Hardcore 3DS fans: Switch is NOT replacing 3DS, because Nintendo said so, despite Pokemon leaving, despite another dedicated handheld now, despite all this, it's going to live forever, because it may have no games, but people are buying it, despite 2/3 drops in sales the last 2 years with another one expected this year, it's still got 2 people who want it, so that means it's still alive and selling like hot cakes!
Well whatever happens I'll bet they've patched the security old from the OG Switch which allows full system exploit/control. Probably while leaving another backdoor open somewhere for a different but not as powerful exploit.
Don't be kidding yourself, you know NOTHING. 😆
This is a lot of text to say "nothing"
@Damo Shouldn't there have been a line somewhere in the article, stating that this is an old article, updated with the latest information?
I went in thinking it was a completely new article, only to find the first comments being from June last year...
New Chipset upgraded GPU/CPU to 1080p Docked/Portable locked 60fps either modes that will be a change. As mentioned xvox/pspoor can't do TRUE 4K 60fps [email protected] that is for Gaming Desktop/Laptop RIGS that holds King in that realm only. Try that on xvox/pspoor and have Nuclear Meltdown.
@SNES64DD omg dude get a life
New Nvidia Xavier SOC: CPU: Nvidia custom Carmel ARMv8.2-A (64-bit), 8 cores 10-wide superscalar and GPU: Volta-based, 512 CUDA cores with 1.4 TFLOPS.
The "tl;dr":
All I want from the Switch Pro (and some rumors are making it sound like we may not get it), is for it to not lose further ground in a relative sense as the new Sony and MS systems are coming out.
The "blah blah blah":
What do I mean by that? This:
We could maybe quibble super nuance for either a slightly smaller or larger gap at various points, but speaking in very general, nebulous terms, since the Wii, Nintendo has maintained a position of being roughly "one generation behind" contemporary Sony and Microsoft systems in terms of hardware might. While that's not exactly a particularly impressive statistic, what it does mean is that as the industry has moved forward X number of steps, Nintendo has also moved forward X steps as well, thus neither catching up, nor falling further behind in a relative "one generation gap" sense. It means Nintendo has maintained and held its ground, has "kept pace" with the rest of the industry.
It's different with the Switch, which, in terms of capabilities while docked is basically what a hypothetical "WiiU Pro" would've been, or more generally, a rough equivalent to an imaginary "PS3.5" or "XBox 360 X". None of these speculative systems exist, of course. But the point is that as Sony and Microsoft moved "a half-generation" ahead with the PS4 Pro and the XBox One X over their base units, Nintendo basically moved a half generation ahead as well over the WiiU, which was itself (give or take), roughly the performance equivalent of the PS3 and XB360.
So, the Wii was basically XBox capabilities in the days of XBox 360, WiiU was basically XBox 360 capabilities in the days of XBox One, and now, the Switch is basically [hypothetical] "XBox 360 X" capabilities in the days of XBox One X. The point is that it fell back a whole power level 14yrs ago, and then has really neither meaningfully gained nor lost ground since. It has kept pace.
[edit: The Switch is different in that where Wii and WiiU had concrete "before and after" systems to compare to, as in, "an XBox in an XBox 360 age", the Switch only has the "after systems" (as in, an _____ in an XBox One X age"), so that makes a difference. Also, I realize the "Switch as 'WiiU Pro' line is problematic as we're talking completely different architectures, and no cross compatibility, where the PS4 Pro is pretty literally just a buffed PS4. From that perspective, the PS4 / PS4 Pro analogue with the Switch is simply "undocked vs docked". Then we're talking common architecture and cross compatibility. Plus "undocked vs docked" shares the same concern about not enough games being optimized to suitably take advantage of the beefier option, like the 1X and Pro. It even works fairly well in that the undocked Switch is relatively comparable to WiiU in terms of horsepower. But for the purposes of "where the Switch exists in the spectrum of game systems' hardware capabilities, calling the Switch "a WiiU Pro" is perfectly reasonable, and where I'll plant my flag.]
Therefore, my hope is that, on the eve of the advent of the XBox Series X, and the PS5, that the Switch Pro will at least achieve [while docked], performance essentially equivalent to the base PS4 and XB1. That's not a super high bar to hit in 2020 mobile tech, and not at all an impressive specs in 2020, when we're crossing our fingers that it'll achieve parity with a pair of 2013 machines.....but it would at least mean that Nintendo's streak of "keeping pace", and not falling even further behind will be upheld.
Yes, I get that to fixate on hardware capabilities with Nintendo systems is to miss the point completely - especially in a post-Wii world, and that Nintendo's magic lies elsewhere, doing so much more with so much less. And as one who owns a PS4 Pro, XBox One X, and an even more powerful [albeit slightly] gaming PC, who still likes his Switch more than all of them combined, and uses his Switch significantly more than all of them combined, and as one who favors Nintendo big picture both in the modern world and throughout gaming history in general, with the SNES and N64 being the only two Nintendo systems which I do NOT personally favor over their rivals, I say a hearty Amen and Amen. I cheerfully make "The Switch Sacrifice" on a nearly 100% basis.
HOWEVER: we would make the opposite mistake to ignore hardware altogether, as there will come a tipping point somewhere, where the hardware gap becomes so big that it will chase the devs away. Hell, even now with the Switch, even base PS4 and XB1 games are being declined to be made, just because a mere half-generation gap is too chasmic for them. I mean, we STILL don't have Call of Duty, when even the WiiU had them. Look, I would LOVE to see Nintendo begin to narrow the gap between its rivals, and become more "muscle competitive", assuming it doesn't "lose the magic" in the process, even though I know that hardware isn't the point. And yes, I will concede that if we lose another half generation that all is probably not lost. But it's really important to me that N at least maintains position against its beefier rivals, and so, base PS4 /XB1 territory would be what I would need to really be happy with the Switch Pro. 4K video support (and/or HDR?) and 4K system menus would be great, of course, and very welcomed. But I can live reasonably happily with or without them. Only, let's not fall even further than a full generation behind....oh, and how about some eShop music, for cryin' out loud!!! 😂🥂
Cheers!
@SNES64DD "Personally, I would like to see a successful Nintendo console akin to the N64 and GameCube days but with SNES to Wii like sales and PlayStation doing portables like they did in 2005."
I couldn't agree more. Those were truly the days
The Switch Pro Advance.
TLDR
we don't know so much as a single thing, it's very existence included.
What we know so far..........nothing.
When Nintendo decide to sell a Switch 2, they need to sell it without accessories. I don't want to have to pay for joycons and a dock again. It should be a 100 % backwards compatible tablet that I can just transfer my save files and profile to, then put down in the same dock and use the same peripheral.
Releasing it in early 2021 honestly sounds a bit rushed.
Instead, they should ANNOUNCE it early next year, and then promote it before launching it later that year, maybe in May/June.
If that's true, then I hope they know what they are doing, cuz if not, we need to talk about many things right now, Nintendo...
"better interactivity" immediately sounds like it's going to be more powerful by default, but how? It should be powerful enough to justify developers releasing graphically intact versions of demanding current-gen games, like Red Dead Redemption 2.
A new display quality, either a "resolution bump" or a "crisper output" (maybe OLED)? Why not both?
The idea of next-gen Joy-cons sounds exciting. But the current ones already have infrared hand-gesture detection tech.
I don't even know if this source is to be trusted, but this comes from manufacturing sources, and all these descriptions point to a generational leap, but this be better discussed elsewhere. I'll keep me informed.
Despite the histrionics from NL, I'm only mildly interested. If it is true and if offers a meaningful upgrade I might buy in. However, if it has welded on controllers - No! I see this whole issue as no different than something like a new mobile phone.
Current murmurrings suggest that the Switch Pro will use the same Tegra X1 processor as the current Switch/Switch Lite but will be manufacturered on a smaller node process (7/8 nm?), thereby allowing for higher CPU/GPU clock speeds.
This is the easiest, cheapest, most sensible, and most likely path that Nintendo will choose to take should they release a Pro model. At best, Nintendo may also add some additional RAM like they did for the DSi and New 3DS.
Any further hardware improvements (4K support, higher resolution screen, HDR support, higher memory bandwidth, faster I/O throughput, meaningful VR integration, etc) will be reserved for the Switch 2, which will likely be released no sooner than 2023.
Didnt you report that they have no plans and the switch was meant to last a long time , can you stop ?
The new "Pro" model will definitely be released in Q1 2021 alongside new zelda and or metroid 4. If they stick with the same trend as the other 2 switch releases (BOTW at launch & links awakening with lite) then it'll definitely be the new zelda game released alongside the new model.
What he said no new model in 2020 - nothing else was a said about 2021. So if people keep grabbing the words nothing new in 2020 they forgot 2021 is coming around the corner. If you want to live in 2020 when 2021 comes then your outlook in life is really sad to say. And now with BOTW2 likely to be seeing 2021 you have to wonder was the Switch 2 being launched for this.
To this I suspect they if they want better return will change the GPU to a new Nvidia GPU chip-set to increase their sales and performance. They have to upgrade and that is the natural course that it will go regardless of what others says should be a Switch 2 or the likes. I think it's more like a Lite, Switch, Switch Premium that way everyone has a choice which model they want or can afford and or trade up to.
@NIN10BRO64 Metroid Prime 4 will probably never come out.
2. A bit too much speculation.
@Rowan everything with nintendo is pretty much speculation lol
@NIN10BRO64 Very true. An example was “Super Mario 3D all-stars will be announced this week” every week. And 2 weeks ago, they had it right by saying it every single week.
It is either ready to go into production or it's not. Logic says it is. That would explain why Nintendo has had such a messy year. The darkest hour is just before dawn, so to speak.
While next March is favourite, I could see it launch in November this year. A quick direct, and then taking pre orders.
Really, really hope they don't forget to add native bluetooth audio this time
@Ksk18 yes that would be very VERY helpful (so my parents won’t hear me playing smash at 3am)
"Everything We Know So Far"
Which is precisely nothing. But nice clickbait.
Actually, we know absolutely nothing so far. No release date, no name, none of the launch games. Nothing.
So the the two things that we know about the Pro is that is there’s nothing to suggest it exists and that it won’t be existing anytime soon.
Can tell it to run in 2k as 4k and 2k are interchangeable?
If the Pro does have DLSS, it will have great-looking 4K even if it isn't native 4K.
And since DLSS 2.1 allows 1440p rendering to great-looking 8K, I hope the Nintendo Switch Pro has HDMI 2.1 support for both 4K 120fps and 8K 60fps, with DLSS engaged for better performance and visuals.
Breath of the Wild 2 will be delayed till 2022. Though not a "Switch Pro" exclusive, it will display a higher color fidelity on Nintendo's upcoming revised console. Similar to the differences of how Hyrule Warriors Legends appears between the 3DS & 'New' 3DS, but better.
I love that we were supposed by some super serious "LEAKs" a release on the 3rd june, and pre order today the 4th.
The 4th is near the end here, still nothing.
That rumoured Switch Pro do not exist.
Will it really be announced before E3?
Thinking about it, if a new, significantly more advanced console was coming, then it usually follows these steps:
1. An report from a professional site with actual info about the hardware appears out of nowhere, and then other sites follow suit on their claims with new reports
2. The specs leak
3. More official details come from other journalists
4. The console is officially announced
5. Some selected journalists gets their hands on it the same day.
This is just how the NX was leaked (remember Eurogamer?) and also PS4 Pro/Xbox One X. Try to compare it with the Switch Pro situation and see which one has the most pre-validation.
The rumours are also speaking about an OLED screen and 4K a lot, but I have other questions as well:
-Will it have a built-in camera?
-What about high-dynamic range (HDR)?
-Any chance it will run even a small bit of ray-tracing?
-How will older Switch games benefit for the new hardware? Should we expect something similar to the PS5's back-compat?
-Battery life?
-Will the console itself be big enough to compell for the tech inside? What will size comparisons tell?
-Will the Joy-Cons also recieve an upgrade?
-What kind of new ideas/concepts from Nintendo can we expect?
Ok, maybe I'm precipitating. But this is the anxiety you get when you hook up too much on rumours! I really hope they announce it next week, just right before E3, since that's when everyone talks about their upcoming titles.
Can't wait for the whole Switch Pro upgrade bulls**t to blow up into everyone's faces. So sick and tired about the rumors. This is getting beyond cringe and proves that fanboys really are ***** and that journalists really have nothing new to write about when it comes to the Switch
Not saying that the console doesn't deserve an upgrade but COME ON!!! 2 f***ing YEARS of nothing being endlessly shared on the internet like it's a schoolyard and people actually believing the crap spouted by ANALysts and such...
It is more likely that Nintendo will release a next-gen console before they go on "PS4 Pro route" with any current system of theirs, and it STILL won't be as powerful or even close to whatever Sony and Microsoft will release in the future
Finally, the leakers can shut up
Looks like I was right, Internet really is dumb
Never underestimate Nintendo... Never underestimate Nintendo...
Would Labo get updated with a scaled down mode for the OLED model?
Why don't you just admit that the rumors were wrong?
If Nintendo announces it now, it's less of a leak and more of tired fanboys giving them ideas of how to exploit more money from them.
It's kind of pathetic how you guys feed this.
Something is in the works.
Kopite is THE Nvidia leaker, 100% track record, and he's spoken twice now about a new chip for Nintendo from Nvidia, likely 8 nm, Orin line. The question is, will it be a 2023 revision or the Switch successor.
Don't know. But something is in the works beyond this OLED model. That much is clear. Information was dead on in every other respect. Seems they conflated this revision with the 2.0 revision/successor and confused it as the same thing.
I also suspect now is not the time. 28 mil sold last year, 25 mil this year. As soon as a more powerful Switch is announced, demand will drop like a rock for the current model and funnel into a bottleneck where they can't keep up. Which would mean no 25 mil sold. Not to mention, at the rate systems are selling, holding that Ace for a bit longer seems like the smarter play.
This does not reflect my wishes or desires. I'd love one now. Right now. But it is what it is. We're in the middle of a console generation. If we have to wait for the successor, so be it.
If people are so tired of it why are you even posting? That to me tells alot. Why post to feed it just don't read it. You have a choice but guess the shills need to NintenDoomed support.
It's funny that no other console manufacturer could get away with a video game system 2 generations behind the competition, in terms of processing power. Just proves how good Nintendo's Games are.
@Cia Games also make a platform successful as well sure we always get shovelware games but that the gambit of the gaming industry everywhere. Nintendo games aren't for just Hardcore Graphics pumping output.
@SwitchForce
Yeah, because they don't need to be. BotW is one of the prettiest games there and has the best physics I've encountered in a game, despite the fact Switch lags behind in terms of power.
“What we know so far”
And the comments here! Jesus Christ man.
If you want to know what’s happening work in games, or befriend someone like myself who spills things as I don’t have an MNDA with ninty.
The oled appears to be a Plan B. There was no info about it until the official announcement. So my guess is yeah Plan B. They wanted a new system out, 3 years is enough time. Or is it 4? All manufacturers do it. PS4 pro, DS lite, New 3DS et al. God knows what Microsoft is doing. Something involving the number 1 and letter X ALL THE FREAKING TIME. I don’t care for them that much. Games pass is contributing to the ruinisation of game development. Customers are too addicted to it and don’t care for the devs. So the pittance they earn on games pass makes it harder to make big budget games, keeps devs working harder due to shorter deadlines, it’s not good. For a future glimpse of where this goes look at Apple Arcade. A lot of easy to make ***** is on the way.
But yeah where was I. There was a spec sheet floating around dev forums last year. I’m clueless when it comes to specs though. I’m at that stage where I just want everything as easy as possible - why make things hard on yourself? So I just buy apple stuff literally all the time. I’m typing this on my new iPad 13” with microLED tech looking great.
My preorder for the oled switch went out my bank yesterday so I assume it’s coming very soon. Hope I get it on Thursday but it’ll probably be Friday. It’s gonna replace the early pre-launch Switch I’ve been using continuously since I got my hands on it. The screen has a more blue tint than any other switch I’ve seen. Launch switch consoles had a mild blue tint, all new ones are yellowish. But prelaunch are super blue lol.
Come to me oled switch! Join my oled collection of my living room and bedroom TVs (den has regular led as has both nooks), iPhone 13 pro max in gold, Apple Watch series 6 titanium, Wacom display, Fridge display (never use the ‘smart’ stuff on it).
Infact if you do have a smart tv never connect it to the internet. Literally all TVs now come with rubbish android os stuff. Nah. That stuff sucks up your personal data. Yet idiots are happy with that it seems. Buy a smart tv, never put it online, run everything via HDMI: your Apple TV 4K set top box ( they’re so tiny!), your switch dock, your ps5… god that’s about it these days! Hdmi sync means turning on your Apple TV 4K will switch your surround sound receiver on, and tv on. And when you turn your Apple TV 4K off they all go off too. Wonderful amazing stuff. No need for smart tv and it’s predatory ways.
The Switch needs more wifi range, HDR & a more consistent 60fps.
Despite it supporting smaller data transfer speeds, the 3DS has more range. I know this because my 3DS would have 2-3 bars, while at the same time my Switch is at 1 bar.
Redeveloping a game for another console can be a hassle, but trying to force a game to work well with-out HDR support could essentially make a hill into a mountain. When the mountain becomes too big, Devs aim for 30fps or the cloud.
HDR is a universal standard for both consoles & PC.
Not going to lie but 4k would be nice, but Nintendo releases underpowered devices with longevity in mind. If they do 4K, then expect games at either 4K/30fps or the cloud at 4K/60fps.
Which would you choose cloud gaming at 4K/60fps;
or native FHD/60fps with proper HDR support?
If I had to choose between them, I'd go for the latter.
If Nintendo really wants to make cloud gaming a thing, they would need to sell an accessory to extend the Switch's wifi range in handheld mode
I'd buy it, it would be at the top of my need to buy list.
I just want a switch that can truly make apex legends playable on the go so i dont have to withstand that apex mobile crap
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