Mario + Rabbids Sparks Of Hope "Should Have Waited" For Switch Successor, Says Ubisoft CEO

I don't think console placement is the issue here. It's that these games are underrated as hell.

I don’t know, I know there aren’t nearly as many splatoon games as Mario, but splatoon 3 did just fine and they had two games on one console, I think the issue is what the comment above me says.

There is some truth in Nintendo’s logic there, I remember Mario Galaxy 2 not selling as much as it’s predecessor, and I assume it’s why we haven’t had a full on sequel to Mario Odyssey for the Switch

@ModdedInkling - I mean, they WOULD have less competition.

He should really stop talking now. No one has any respect for Ubisoft any longer. They are an ongoing joke. He doesn't want to burn bridges with companies that have clout by putting out info on Switch 2 dates. Which he essentially just did.

Nintendo [advised] that it's better to do one iteration on each machine.

So why is there two Fire Emblems and three Kirby's on the switch then.

@ModdedInkling It's also their job to market the game. If the average Nintendo user doesn't really understand what this is, that's on them. I don't even know if I would truly know much about the game if it wasn't for gaming sites.

So now I’ll definitely wait to buy the complete edition on the next console I guess.

@UltimateOtaku91 Easy: Nintendo doesn't develop Fire Emblem and they don'town Itelligent Systems. I think the same goes for Pokémon and Game Freak. Although, if they fully owned Pokémon amd Game Freak, I think we would be getting better games. They have no excuse for Splatoon or Xenoblade, though it is okay if they have a few.

These are some great games. But i believe it’s not a game for everyone. Ubi thought it would sell only because of Mario i think.

@BenAV I got it half off a month after it came out.

There were hints that this game Was SUPPOSED to be released on the next hardware...but then 2020 happened and screwed everything up.

The fact they admit this tells me that the new hardware is just around the corner

Considering the popularity of the mario franchise, it's on you if you can't sell a well-known product.... Blaming the hardware is just scapegoating, imo.

@eaglebob345 oh dont get me wrong I love fire emblem, xenoblade chronicles etc definitely nothing wrong with with having multiple games from the same series on one console, especially if it's a long console life like the switch will end up having. But just thought it strange they don't follow their own advice, especially when there's been three Kirby games so far.

Also Intelligent Systems may as well be a Nintendo first party dev, literally every game they have made has been for Nintendo, apart from the fire emblem mobile game. At least with Gamefreak they've made games for other systems as well.

Nintendo should follow their own advice… SPLATOON 3

Personally, I just don’t think the series has the wider appeal that Ubisoft is hoping for. Granted it has Mario, but the gameplay is a departure from the typical Mario game. Turn based gameplay is just more niche, even if it has Nintendo’s mascot in it. I also don’t think the Rabbids are nearly as popular as they once were.

I also think the advice is hilarious considering we have Tears of the Kingdom, aka Breath of the Wild 2, absolutely dominating in the charts. Ubisoft guy needs to know when to keep quiet lol

Rabbids was never going to sell well, they are just super underrated games.

Hmmm interesting maybe that’s why Nintendo “supposedly” delays game even after they’re completed…

Id guess its more of a huge influx of strategy games the last couple of years. Switch had alot of good strategy games coming out the last couple of years.

Is it as good as the first? I haven't played it

I guess he just announced the first "Switch 2" game?

Needing to limit to 1 per console clearly isn't the reason Sparks of Hope didn't meet expectations, obviously it's instead the fact that Ubisoft are infamous for slashing game prices massively soon after launch.

@Hajilee I haven’t had time to play the first one… but then I grabbed it at 20$ why would I fork even 30 on the newest one? I think Ubisoft shouldn’t release games that fast and rather focus on quality

Lol even if it was on Switch 2 and everything else was the same it would have got the same result.

This game was a disappointment to a lot of people that enjoyed the first one. Not to mention there are still plenty of people that won’t ever touch these games to begin with because Rabbids is toxic. These could have been a proper Mario/Rayman crossover series for example.

Also there is plenty of games with multiple entires on the Switch that did fine : Xenoblade, FE, Splatoon, Pokemon, Kirby, Zelda, etc. so bad logic/excuse.

Imagine having the MARIO IP to work with and still failing.

@UltimateOtaku91 Mario games tend to be evergreen so the continued sales/interest in one entry would have more impact compared to other franchises.

It was only really last gen that Alphadream showed the result of releasing 4 of the same Mario series on one console. Mario & Luigi Dream Team sold 2.5m. Then Paper Jam 1million, then Superstar Saga remake sold 400k then BIS remake sold so little you had to compare it to Virtual Boy Mario games.

You can actually see this in the UK charts on Nintendolife. This year The first Mario + Rabbids has been continuing to chart like 6 years on and Sparks of Hope isn't. Though it doesn't help that Sparks is pure Ubisoft AAA grey gloop of a game.

I think Nintendo's rule is, to borrow a phrase used in Disney's Pirates Of The Caribbean, "more like guidelines than actual rules".

It's likely Nintendo doesn't want to cannibalize Odyssey sales, whereas Breath Of The Wild was already a Wii U title, then Switch launch title, then had so much coverage from the game industry, and finally had dlc. In this scenario, BOTW sales likely have lowered, and leveled out. Along with how far we are into the Switch lifespan, Nintendo probably felt releasing another mainline Zelda would be a financially successful move, whereas Odyssey might have held, and possibly still does hold better leveled out sales, compared to the leveled out sales for BOTW

Ubisoft has completely lost its way!

I just don’t think a lot of people care about this series of games.

This game is the poster child of what having deep discounts too early on can do long term. How many people actually bought the first game for full price? Everyone got it on sale, like they do for all Ubisoft games. People didn't buy this game when it came out because everyone knew it would be half price in four months. Ubisoft can blame Nintendo all they want but they cultivate this consumer purchasing culture for their products, it's really that simple.

Iterative sequels have no issue selling well on Switch - one is dominating the charts as we speak.

The issue for Ubisoft is that a lot of people bought Kingdom Battle simply because it is the cheapest and most regularly discounted Mario game on Switch. Sparks of Hope is neither as cheap nor as frequently discounted as its predecessor since it is fairly new, so it won't sell to the price-conscious consumers who Kingdom Battle such a big success.

It's telling that Kingdom Battle still outsells Sparks of Hope from time to time.

This game was a niche no matter what, it’s hard to understand how this can happen with Mario in the title but there was never any hype for it, I imagine the public saw it as a another Ubisoft game which don’t have any value and are frequently sold dirt cheap in constant sales and not even the Mario IP could save it.

@UltimateOtaku91 They do follow their own advice, for the most part. In my interpretation, the advice isn't "do one iteration of a franchise in each machine", but "do one iteration of the same flavor of Mario in each machine".
Sure, on Switch we've had two Splatoon games, two Fire Emblem games and even two mainline 3D Zelda games. But while we've had many Mario games, no two of them could be considered very similar iterations of the same formula.
Nintendo may consider it reasonable to release three mainline Kirby games on Switch, to keep the franchise relevant in everybody's mind, but Mario doesn't need that, because there's a constant stream of different Mario flavors and spin-offs. Why release a second Mario Kart, when the first one is still selling so well? Why a second Mario Golf, or Mario Soccer, or Paper Mario? Why cannibalize their own sales?
There are exceptions, of course. If I remember correctly, there were two or three Mario Party games on 3ds?

@Tupin They're not blaming Nintendo.

@UltimateOtaku91 I don't really mind having multiple games in a franchise either, as long as the games are solid (that's aimed and Game Freak and the dubious quality of their games). The same applies for Hal Laboratories with Kirby as they aren't Nintendo owned either. Nintendo may own Fire Emblem, Kirby, and Pokémon (partially), but they are mostly hands off with those franchises.

@BenAV I should've waited longer. I bought the game but never got around to plating it. 😬

Well, now they won't have a sale from me, because I know I can have it on the next console. Thanks.

Ubisoft fails to realise that the first game sold well because it was one of the first switch games to come out and only the second Mario game, so a lot of people bought it for that. The game also was on sale constantly for like £7.50, and it’s still very cheap to buy now. Sparks of hope is still expensive and came out at a time when lots of other tactics games were coming out. I also think it has to do with the fact a lot of those people who bought Mario and rabbids probably weren’t too sold on the tactics gameplay as it is generally an unpopular gameplay style and It’s rare to see a game even sell a quarter as much as kingdom battle sold, so I think a lot of those people just weren’t gonna buy a sequel anyway

Or they could have put it out in January when it had less competition from other Nintendo games/franchises.

Starting to think this guy should say nothing at all. Every time they’ve made a statement about this game it just sounds like they don’t want to make these games anymore and ruin the relationship with Nintendo

I agree not just for sales reasons but because it has horrendous pop in issues and bad frame rate where it dips into the teens in later parts of the game which is just embarrassing

Personally I think Ubisoft should stop putting their NEW games on sale two-three months after release. Wait at least a year.

Because currently I know that if I wait two months I can get a Ubi game at 30% off. And if I wait a year problably 50%-60% off. And a little bit more it goes for 80-90% off several times per year.

It's a thing.

As a few people have pointed out, a game starring Mario frequently selling for 20 quid on a system where Nintendo games never go on sale is a huge boon for Kingdom Battle. That’s not against the game, the more people who play it the better.

I really enjoyed the first game and thought the DK DLC was excellent also. I was excited when they announced the sequel but I haven’t got round to buying it yet because I have enough to be getting on with and I’m waiting for that mega discount to draw me in. If I wasn’t anticipating the mega discount I probably would have bought it by now.here lies the problem

I wish it was Mario+Rayman. I love the idea of it and the gameplay is really fun, but the Rabbids are just so so so stupid. I skipped all the cutscenes and didn’t use half the characters because they just annoy the crap out of me. Very irritating the only dedicated healer was a rabbid as well.

Idk, I'm kind of glad they just got this one out of the way. Sparks of Hope was no where near as good as Kingdom Battle if you ask me. The removal of the grid based movement and the overall lack of difficulty made this game feel far less tactical than the first one. Which you know, is kind of the entire point of a tactics game. If I had waited any longer for this sequel it would have gone from being a minor disappointment into a massive one

@BenAV I thought I was going to hop into it once I got it, but last year just had so many games released. Truth be told, I got the original game digitally, gold edition, for 90% off. That's probably where all the first game's sales came from.

I played it, but it wasn't as good as the first one and boring as sin (location and music-wise, mostly) and unfunny as hell. I don't know why there had to be spoken jokes that are so unfunny I can't even forcefully chuckle at them when the wordless humor in the animations of the first one was always much more charming. That combined with it just being a lot less snappy and strategic with how much freedom you got and welp, I'm glad I'm done with it.

Nintendo loves to hold on to finished games for literal years, which is frustrating to the fans for sure, but I suppose there is a method to the madness in terms of releasing games at their most opportune moments.

Ubisoft have damaged their own brand by aggressively lowering the prices of their games soon after release. Why buy their games early when in a couple of months they are half the price or less.

@Madao I know that’s why I haven’t bought it yet Lmao.

@eaglebob345 They don't own Intelligent Systems or Game Freak, but they do co-own the Fire Emblem and Pokemon franchises.

I wanted to play this but with the first game always being heavily reduced in sales I'm just waiting for this to do the same

@Zimon
On PS their games might as well be on permanent sale they always dominant the weekly sales PSN runs. Getting games for cheap is great but ultimately is starting to hurt how they are made as they are seen are disposable and/or avenues to really dig into the player’s wallet with the use of micro-transactions, in the recent Assassin’s Creed games they have RPG mechanics that in some cases make it nearly impossible to defeat high level enemies (unlike previous games where a knife through the chest or head was instant death in most cases the enemies in the RPG ones will just shrug this off if they’re a few levels above the player) unless you grind away for dozens of hours but don’t worry they dangle microtransactions that allow you to avoid all this grinding.

The 'complete edition' you described sounds like a dream come true, but I wish it was much closer to become a reality.
So, by upgrades, I wonder if they mean the textures specifically. The rest of the game looked very polished, and 60fps in strategy games isn't that much a necessity.

@Fizza I didn't buy either game because I hate Rabbids so much. No part of them is endearing or humorous to me. My children also hate them. I really don't get why Ubi continues to push them. I get why they need a kid friendly character - maybe development Rayman more. People like Rayman characters.

it would be also ok if the game would be just less ubisoft and more nintendo... it feels just to shallow often. i mean the core gameplay is great but the whole meta game is so much ubisoft in a bad way

I hope one of the updates will be the addition of Yoshi, of course. Otherwise I wouldn't know since I haven't played this game yet. I will eventually though.

It's an Ubisoft game which people know will be $13 or less after a year with all the DLC included. It's also an RTS which isn't a super popular genre when compared to others, and a crossover with the Rabbids, which are very specific too. If it was a launch title or Year 1 release for whatever's next it would've helped, but that would've helped any game.

Poorly priced and stupid DLC content spread over eons.....that and it wasnt as good as first one were main reasons it didn'tdo great.

The first one is definitely one of the most underrated games. Got it on sale for a few bucks, gameplay is just great and the story is also quite fun (plus, I like the humor, it really fits).

No please, I ain't got enough life let in my life to be waiting 5+ years between installments of every franchise.

The problem with Sparks of Hope is that it was only ever going to appeal to people who played Kingdom Battle, and it isn't anywhere near as good as Kingdom Battle. The first one was awesome but clearly a niche franchise. If they thought the sequel was going to be some kind of mainstream hit they were clearly dreaming.

I'm still annoyed about the trailer for the first one featuring AC/DC music but then that not actually being in the game. I thought "what, this is crazy". It was not in fact crazy.

I got Kingdom Battle for 600 pesos (about $30) on October 2021. To this day I haven't beaten it, kinda gave up at the beginning of World 3 and I'm saving the Donkey Kong DLC for when I beat the main game, if ever.

So yeah, as pointed out, the reasons I haven't bought Sparks of Hope are
1. Too many games to play or to be bought that have priority over Sparks of Hope, like Kirby Wii Deluxe or Metroid Prime Remastered. Tears of the Kingdom is not one of them.
2. Even if I get it, there's no guarantee I'll get invested in it when I haven't even been invested or committed to finish the first game.
3. I too am also waiting for a deep sale on the physical version. So far I've seen it for around 1050 pesos in Mexico, but I know it can go lower than that.

@Jamie64326 I know. They don't seem to bother with controlling the projects they develop, though. Same with Kirby and HAL Laboratories. Especially HAL Laboratories. The 3ds was Kirbied to the extreme.

Let’s be honest, most of the people bought the first one because it was a launch title.
It was a great game, but couldn’t keep people’s interest as an IP.

I really liked the first game, but disliked many aspects of it: the rabbids, the need to walk around a world looking for the next tactical battle, and the ‘humour’. And it sounded like they leant more heavily into the bits I don’t like for the sequel, plus made the strategy-part easier, and removed the grid-based system. For those reasons, I haven’t even considered getting it

Everyone interested be waiting on that $15 sale lmao

@ModdedInkling My brother and I played through both games and really enjoyed them, however I don't think the games are underrated — I think the genre is very niche and that translates into poor sales. XCOM Enemy Unknown for example won several GOTY awards, but never reached 1 million sales.

Great games with a limited appeal.
Many bought the first one and were disappointed it was not a platformer.

Probably one of the best selling games of its genre.
Ubisoft does itself no favors by how they devalue their own games, even their great ones.

@BiscuitCrumbsInMyBed,

Mario galaxy sold less than the original game because of the more casual players on the Wii, the original game was heavily advertised with the motion features, where a second player could help out, using the Wii remote. And I could imagine many casuals rushing out thinking it was as easy as Wii sports etc, when in reality it was as traditional as a Mario platform game could be.

Second time round the casuals had learned from their mistake, or had simply moved onto other things,

The main problem for me is Mario and Rabbids left me wanting more, but instead of making me wait for the sequel, they sold me DLC, that felt like enough Mario and Rabbids for me.

But yea, it's a good point from Nintendo. I never bothered with Majoras Mask, Mario Galaxy 2 and I'm struggling to be bothered with TOTK

@ModdedInkling
Very true!
The first game was great; it took us by surprise.
Sparks of Hope was very good. We enjoyed it.

So he's basically saying to anyone who doesn't have the game already: Just wait for a definitive edition on Switch2? So that means I should also wait for a definitive edition? Maybe I'll do just that!

The sequel was lesser. Waiting wouldn't have made it any better.

Maybe they should update it so that the game doesn't lock up during the final boss. Maybe that's WHY they need to wait for the Switch successor.

I don't know why this one didn't find its audience, but I don't think it's because the original was also on Switch. Maybe people didn't love the original game! I thought it was great, but I bet there are some people that bought it expecting a Mario or Rabbids type game and got neither!

@eaglebob345 You're right. They just let them do what they want to do, which is good.

I got it recently and think it's an excellent game. On the basis that it's easy to find heavily discounted, I strongly recommend giving it a look. It improves on the original in every way, which says a lot as that was already very good.

@ModdedInkling Thats likely the point, but when you launch on a new console with limited selection, your basically guaranteed the sales if the game is decent just due to lack of choice.

More like everyone knows a complete edition will be $20 in a few months..

If you release a game on a console with 100 million users, it's likely going to sell better than on a new console with only 5-10 million users. I would agree with the Ubisoft statement if they released two similar games very close to each other, but 5 years was plenty of gap.

Ubisoft, if you want to know why your game wasn't as successful, I can tell you exactly. The issues are that (compared to original):
1. The combat changes weren't for the better
2. More Rabbids, less Nintendo
3. Perfect difficulty nerfed to boredom
4. No new viral element like the opera boss or Mario with guns
5. Edge is off-putting
6. First time around, nobody knew if a Mario Ubisoft game would rapidly drop in price or stick to its MSRP like Nintendo. Now we know massive rapid price drop is guaranteed
7. Announced THREE DLC packs before even releasing the game
8. Graphics are objectively not as good
9. It's a super niche genre. But putting Mario into it the first time was intriguing and unexpected. Novelty is no longer a selling point and they needed to make a worthy follow up to garner interest. They failed.
10. Controversy regarding Ubisoft had a number of people boycott the game.

I consider the first Mario Rabbid one of the best games on Switch, and I was super hyped for a sequel. But they botched it in serious ways and after watching video and reviews, I decided not to buy it, after thinking it would be a day one purchase. I did get the demo but was so underwhelmed that I didn't even finish it.

@Warruz
Not necessarily guaranteed if the console itself fails to launch.

@MarioLinkSamus
For a tactical RPG, this honestly feels like the perfect introduction for those unfamiliar or normally not interested in the genre. That alone should have been able to get more players.

@johnvboy It’s a shame if that was why it sold half of what Mario Galaxy sold, because it’s an absolute marvel of a game.

I know usually 3D Mario titles aren’t as popular as side-scrolling Mario games, especially in Japan, which is why I suppose Mario Galaxy 2 came with an instruction DVD for people that found the controls of 3D Mario titles hard to control.

@Munchlax

"I didn’t buy it because of the whole sexual misconduct scandal that 99% of people seem to have just forgotten about."

+1 ☝️

Imo the truth is: These games have a limited sales potential because of their genre. The first one overperformed because the collab was bit of a coup and got great press, but in the end there’s only so many people that want to play turn based strategy games.

@BiscuitCrumbsInMyBed,

Without a doubt, both games were awesome... but the more casual nature of a lot of the Wii's audience was always going to make this an issue, with the more traditional controlled games.

Still 7.4 million is not too bad, as up to that point the best selling Mario 3D game was the sublime Mario 64 selling 11 million copies, of course beaten by the first galaxy game, but on a platform with around 100 million userbase, whereas the N64 had around 33 million, and to think on the N64 Mario 64 sold more than Mario Kart.......... just goes to show things change, as Mario Kart is just a monster sales wise.

The 2D Mario games stopped bring the most popular after the Wii, now the 3D games are the way forward, the Switch has shown what a 3D Mario game can do sales wise, with Odyssey selling 25 million. The Switch has been awesome at bringing the best sales out of pretty much all Nintendo's franchises.

I blame their greed selling games in multiple pieces with season pass and dlc. I've never bought an assassin's creed day one. I've always waited to find them much cheaper, so I can have the full game with season pass for a normal price for a game (and 80€ isn't a normal price at all)

@Cashews "barely reskinned Zelda" – I get it... You're cynical. Very cool.

I feel like that was Nintendo's not-so-subtle way of telling Ubisoft "you didn't make it distinct enough from the first game."

Nintendo has obviously released multiple Mario games on the Switch, but they're all wildly different (Mario Odyssey, Mario Maker 2, Mario 3D World+Bowser's Fury, New Super Mario Bros., etc) - what they didn't do is make Mario Kart 9 for the Switch, opting instead to do a series of DLC for 8.

The one time Nintendo broke that rule was Splatoon 3, which all the reviews dinged for not being different enough to justify a $60 price tag, so Nintendo might have actually been speaking from that recent experience.

Also, it just seems like turned-based strategy is always going to be pretty niche, market-wise, compared to something like a mainline Mario game. Just because they slapped Mario on it doesn't mean everyone who likes platformers is suddenly gonna be interested in turn-based strategy.

@UltimateOtaku91 @Snatcher

Pretty sure the comment specifically mentions Mario games - that those games stay around. Not just 'any ' game.

@-wc- I play games to have fun... not to make a statement about who I am.

@Snatcher Underrated by whom? Every review has been pretty much glowing.

Personally I love this game and glad I brought it on day one. Not sure about the comments saying it's not suited for the current Switch. It runs and plays perfectly well and graphically is a huge improvement over the first one. I still think these are tw of the best games on Switch.

@Laserbeak1982,

The game looks fine to me, pretty much a none article imho, release a game on current hardware, or wait for new hardware, pretty much stating the obvious.

@FTL

"I play games to have fun... not to make a statement about who I am."

i think you just did 🙂

So, is this and excuse for if the DLC doesn't do well, and so it won't affect Rayman??? Please?

@johnvboy

hey, i see all comments to me have been deleted, i hope its not a straight up block but if so, thats how it goes when you argue on the internet ✌️ i know i can get a little spicy but i think i had a point here.

@-wc-,

Without a doubt, I failed to realize your initial comment was in fact somebody else's, which was strange as I thought I had read all the comments up to that point.

I did delete all my comments to you, as I did get the wrong end of the stick, and was sorry for it.

I do reply to your comments, because a lot of the time I just know how these things can turn out, and you are one of the more rational posters on here. but would hate for you to think it's anything personal.

@johnvboy

see you at the next one then!! 😅✌️✌️

@scottishwildcat I didn’t say it was underrated I agreed with it. Kinda like xenoblade is.

@-wc-,

Not to soon I hope, although I do live with my wife and teenage daughter... so I know what it's like to be wrong all of the time.

@-wc- Nice try, but the actual act of 'avoiding a game purely to make a statement about yourself' vs 'saying an opinion'. Not the same bud. But if you want to miss out on good games based on those principals - enjoy 😂

I feel like this. The first game was literally lightning out of the blue and lightning in a bottle. It wasn't the game that any of us asked for but we were blown away by what it was. I can't speak for everyone, but even though the writing was on the wall for a sequel, I don't think a lot of people were demanding one come out right here right now. Debatable, but ijs. This series hasn't even earned the right to oversaturate like Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon can do any day of the week. So yes, this definitely should have waited for another system first. That's what greed will do.

@FTL

i was having a bit of fun, there is irony in making a statement about not making a statement about yourself 😅

you are welcome to play whatever games you wish, of course ✌️

@Big_Fudge

"I never bothered with Majoras Mask, Mario Galaxy 2 and I'm struggling to be bothered with TOTK"

dang! those are three of the best games ive ever played in my life! 😅

@-wc- I like to think I'll get round to them. Add Twilight Princess to the list too

@sketchturner
Your post is pretty much the essence of all that has to be said about this topic.
(You forgot 1 point which is pretty much important for me: They cut couch coop - a great game mode in KB and the only reason to start the game again and again after completing the campaign.)
The thread should be closed and the post should be pinned and send to Guillemot as an open letter. Sadly he seems to not have the same analyzing skills then you. Might have helped while developing Sparks of Hope.

I was one of those people that bought the first game on a huge sale and didn't really like it but because of the price it was no harm, no foul

Unfortunately I was never going to buy another game in the series at full price and I'm sure there were many who had the same experience

@Gul_Durnit

i had the same experience with this game 👍

side panel: huge TNG fan from way back, only got into DS9 quite recently and I LOVE it! why did I wait so long?? 😆

@Coxula

cutting couch co op is the single most dissappointing thing i can hear about a sequel, and it happens too often. 😔

@johnvboy I have to say I’m more fond of the 3D Mario games, I find them more creative, I remember my brother showing me Mario 64, at the time I had kind of stopped gaming and can’t recall hearing much about Nintendo 64 at the time, it was all Playstation I remember from 1997 to 1998, I suppose being a teen I got into music and other interests a lot but I was overwhelmed with Mario 64, I didn’t think I could play it, within an hour I was hooked and was mesmerised, I was always fond of Nintendo but by that point it became a little obsessive for me I believe, it’s never gone actually

I think we are going to get something very special for the next 3D Mario game, which I think will come with the Nintendo’s next system. However Super Mario Bros Wonder looks pukka!

@BiscuitCrumbsInMyBed,

Same here, no issues with people liking the 2D games or the slightly 3D world stuff, but nothing compares to seeing Mario 64 all those years ago, total revolutionary from Nintendo.

And apert from Sunshine, which I just can't get on with for some reason, the rest are just pure gold, with Odyssey taking the first place for me, it's scope and scale was just awesome, can't wait for the next one on the Switch 2.....