Nvidia Employee Comment Confirms Chip Rumoured To Be Used In 'Switch Pro' Is Real

I would prefer a situation where a Switch Pro/Super Switch is released rather than a Switch 2. Nintendo must capitalize on the current switch for 1 or 2 more years before releasing an entirely new console/Switch 2.

As I see it, a Switch 2 still has serious problems as a “ps4” due to game card storage limitations. We can’t get publishers to use 32gb cards, or even 16gb cards sometimes. How are we going to get ps4 quality games on that?

Can we get the return of vc with gc and 3ds games? Theyd be too much data to pack into a single app

I dont know why people need more power. I mean the switch is the indie king because of its lack of power. The lack of power means that Nintendo has to be creative in their design. Who doesn't like creative Nintendo. Plus the Switch is all about being portable. We need a system with more battery life than anything. Sure I have not left my house in three years but a couch is so much better than gaming on a giant 4k tv. Or a toilet is also another place to game. My potty breaks takes so long I was able to finish the BOTW great plateau. Switch Pro or Switch 2 is not needed. This thing has 5 more years left in it.

@NintendoKnight if Nintendo did that it would piss off a lot of potential Switch 2 buyers simply because they would feel like they wasted money on a stop gap console instead of just waiting on the true next gen. I’m fine with waiting on the actual Switch successor instead of having a New 3DS situation on my hands.

@sixrings it not “needed” but it sure is “wanted” when so many games struggle to hit modern resolutions and frame rates.

Honestly I don't care if it's a Switch 2 or a Switch Pro, so long as it's better hardware and compatible with everything that's on the Switch I'll be happy.

I say that though but I'm currently still happy with my current Switch. I'm fine with waiting a few more years.

Should be around PS4, if not more powerful, but with DLSS 2.2 it should be able to do stuff that only next gen could.

This could be huge, DLSS is a game changer, 1080p to 4k looks REALLY GOOD and this theorical console should be able to do so without much issues

I just want that thing whatever it is (Pro or 2) to be backwards-compatible. There are so many amazing games on Switch like XC2, XC:DE, SMT5 etc that would really benefit from it

Pretty sure if there is any validity to this it is the successor. I don’t know why the gaming media is obsessed with a midlife upgrade even though that already happened…twice. v2 and OLED. Those are your switch Pros. Next system is gonna be the successor. I doubt Nintendo will pull a newSwitch this time around.

@NintendoKnight Speak for yourself. If Nintendo announced a Switch 2 that could do 4k 60fps when docked, i'd buy it day one. And i already own a Switch OLED. I'd just flip it on eBay and buy the new one, provided it was still compatible with original Switch games.

Well, this got a lot more interesting.

Pretty exciting. It's no longer a question of "if" but rather "when" we get the new Switch iteration. I assume it'll be 2026, but I wouldn't mind being wrong and would love to have it in my hands sooner than that.

What i find more hilarious than so-called 'Switch Pro/Switch 2' rumours are the people who deny that Nintendo is developing a new console entirely. I mean what do think? Nintendo is just going to stop making new hardware? It's not a case of 'are they working on a Switch successor?' But rather a case of 'how soon will the Switch successor be released?'

PS4 sounds a little weak for next gen hardware, that's almost 10 years old. PS4 Pro power at least I would hope. Handheld could still be 720p but tv should be 1080p. Nobody really needs actual 4k for the types of games Nintendo makes.

And w/ PS4 Pro power it should be "next gen", meaning new games exclusive in a few years, but I'm ok w/ them following Sony and MS w/ dual ports for 2 or 3 years before the Switch simply can't handle them anymore.

No switch sized/style device will ever be as powerful as a ps4, or even a ps3, so while I completely agree with forced limitations creating a better gaming experience, that wouldn't go away.

This is probably more for a full on Switch successor rather than a "Switch Pro". There seems to be some confusion between the two.

@Poodlestargenerica The switch is already more powerful than a ps3? Also I think in a couple years they definitely would have a device on the level of the ps4 with the same size as the current Switch.

@Ravenmaster I think the "Switch Pro" (basically a new 3ds/ps4 pro/Xbox One X style upgrade) isn't real at this point, but obviously a Switch successor is coming. Nintendo is not going to stop making consoles lol

@Poodlestargenerica Isn't the steam deck already more powerful than a PS4?

@Zverik Yeah but maybe they could bypass some of those limitations in docked mode

I think it’s quite far in the Switch’s life to release a revision. Regardless of specs etc, the thing I want most from the Switch’s successor is the same form factor, dockable and portable. Being portable it fits so well into my life right now, I’d hate to see the next console be traditional form factor/always need TV

The Switch Pro rumors will not die, but in fairness my Auntie who works for Nintendo, saId a Super DX Deluxe Switch Pro is due for release this Christmas, it would have been released last year if they could have made enough chips, of course Nintendo had already bought a load of OLED screens, so that's why the OLED Switch exists.

While I would be content to have a more powerful, backwards compatible machine, opinion-wise I'm with Ryu_Niiyama, Ravenmaster, and others. Hardware co.s are constantly experimenting, and developing new hardware. Nintendo was working on the N64, even during the development of the SNES, if I read correctly. The minute one console hits the shelves, the co. is already working on the successor.

We are well past Covid-19, so that co.s have had time to mostly bounce back into their pre-Covid-19 groove. The Switch is a wonderful machine. It is also 5 1/2 yrs old. The average lifespan of a Nintendo console being Nintendo's current machine is roughly 5yrs. Sometimes 6, and others 4. The WU died a year early, because Nintendo wasn't supporting it, as they should have.

I suspect that Nintendo will announce new hardware sometime next year, or the following. I could be wrong, and Nintendo try to stretch Switch to similar years, as the 3DS.

Edit: It always seems that, since the GameCube, Zelda titles always come at the beginning, and/or at the end of the console lifespan.

I'd rather a Switch 2 over a Switch Pro.
Give it full backwards compatibility, stop making regular and OLED Switches and cut the price of the Lite.

Let the Switch Lite (call it classic or something) take the 3DS's role as a "budget entry-level" device and since it has full BC third parties can still make S1 games without alienating S2 owners (being able to support both gens with one game seems to be this generation saving grace for third parties).

Specs-wise id' settle for somewhere around Series S level (since MS is obviously going to keep incentivising devs to aim for that ball park as a minimum anyway), it'd be cool to have a booster dock.

Yeah, the Switch Pro/2/who-the-heck-knows needed to happen since yesterday. The poor thing just can’t keep up with games at this rate.

A respectable 8 core CPU, 8-12GB of LPDDR5 RAM and a 1.6-2 TFLOPS Ampare GPU with a hint of Lovelace sounds a great Switch 2 to me. At least that's how I interpreted the possible specs. That would beat the Steam Deck in many areas. Some articles suggest the T239's GPU has 4 TFLOPS of power which puts it in Xbox Series S and PS4 Pro territory. Although you can't really compare TFLOPS values for GPUs with different architectures. But even with Nintendo's usual underclocking we could be in 5 more years of miracle ports that might not have to compromise that much.
I definitely don't want a Switch Pro though, Switch 2 all the way please Ninty.

If they're gonna introduce a new iteration of the Switch concept, it needs to be the next Switch. Not an incremental upgrade. It's been long enough. You've already introduced two variant models. Let's just move on in that case

@OnlyItsMeReid Oh yeah but my steam deck is like three times the size of my switch.

@HammerKirby In some ways its more powerful than a ps3, they're very different systems. I certainly like the switch more. I think the ps3 outstrips it a bit in pure performance for graphically intense games, that is all I mean.

If it’s a sequel instead of a revision I just hope it has backwards compatibility.

This only answers half the question. We now know such hardware exists, but does Nintendo want to spend the money to mass-produce this, and what are they looking to release? A successor or a revision?

If there's another factor to keep in mind, it's that even though Nintendo loves capitalizing on scarcity, they also want to be able to control that scarcity and voluntarily induce it, not have it as a circumstantial thing like Sony and Microsoft are doing. Looking at the current state of the supply chain, we aren't exactly out of the woods yet.

@NintendoKnight - You mean Nintendo hasn’t capitalized on the current Switch model? By the time Switch 2 is released the current model will be at least 6 years old. The OLED is probably the closest we’ll get to a “pro” model.

@NintendoKnight

Switch2 or bust imo.

The pro consoles were stop gaps due to 4k and nothing more. I don't think you'll see that this gen.

As long as it's BC fully with Switch 1 then it's all good. I'd like to see BC being incorporated for every gen possible for all makers. It's just good consumer sense; which we all know isn't how these companies (except maybe MS sometimes) even operate.

@sixrings because more than half of the indie games released on the Switch run like crap. I've stopped buying games on the Switch for this reason.

When there is an official announcement about a Switch successor I'll think about buying one, but why bother with that question now?

Seems odd to call this just a "comment", it seems to be someone at Nvidia submitting a patch to add Tegra239 support to a Linux driver.

Uh, so now we need "rumours" and "leaks" to confirm that... a newer Nintendo console will use a newer Nvidia chip?

Maybe I should quit my day job and go into click farming biz myself. Bitcoin seems to have nothing on this stuff.😎

@OnlyItsMeReid yes, but it's also not available at retail. That's the reason it isn't at least $500, it's not mass produced and sold in brick and mortar stores. In most regions, anyway.

I cant wait for the ultra reliable Nate the Hate podcast. I love to hear how plans change. I am an insider. Oh wait it was just a prediction. Maybe we can firm up some release dates. Batman? Zelda gamecube games? Silent Hill? Metal Gear Trilogy?

I've got money in my hand waiting for an updated Switch. Bring it on!

@Timptation There is no limitation on game cards. Publishers, especially in the west, choose to limit the game cards they use. If you purchase an Asian version of a switch game, you'll find that it'll contain all content on one cart as opposed to some of the content and you needing to download the other part. Cartridge makes sense on a system that is portable and movable. I think the prices of carts will drop to the point where it's not much of a problem for Devs/publishers

Switch 2 needs 4k
The new gimick will be hand-held, console, VR device

@Ejadaddy carts are limited by what publishers are willing to spend on them. There’s a clear aversion to 32gb cards, so unless prices start dramatically changing (not happening anytime soon) we are stuck with 16gb cards at best, in which case all that performance isn’t going to matter a whole lot. If prices DO drop, we will see 32gb cards used, which isn’t going to cut it when ps4 games were pushing 100+gb. There’s a huge limitation there.

@Poodlestargenerica @HammerKirby Even the Wii U was slightly more powerful than the PS3 and the Switch is modestly more powerful than the Wii U so yeah not only is it possible, it already exists and is called the Nintendo Switch.

@EriXz Oh heck no. VR needs to be optional otherwise half of us will be barfing everytime we game...

September 2023 will the Switch successor release, is my guess.

@sixrings You may not understand why, but that doesn't mean that the switch doesn't need a hardware boost. Looking at sales it's also pretty clear that a new console is on the horizon. The steamdeck is a thing now and has set a new standard in terms of price and power. I mean, the steam deck 64 gb model is same price as a switch OLED model. You may like your switch for YOUR gaming habits, but I personally have been sick of the switches inability to play 3rd party aaa games for two years. I have a steamdeck now and won't be going back to my switch before the next zelda arrives.

@Timptation it's a problem their going to have to overcome somehow. I can't imagine a situation where the switch can run a game at good specs and the Dev says they had to lower the specs because they couldn't fit the game on a single cart. They don't seem to feel that way when publishing games in Asia for whatever reason.

Can't wait for the next iteration of the Switch, so that you will have to abandon all the games on current-gen so they can close their eshop in favor of a new one!

Why do people still invest money in this highway robbery of a company?!

After all the Switch Pro is coming and Zelda blowout in Direct rumours that turned out to be a load of rubbish, I’m done with putting any stock in any of this until Nintendo outright confirms it.

@rjejr well Nintendo Switch has the graphical capacity of a PS3, so i not suprised if the Switch sucessor have the graphical equivalence of a PS4.

Regardless of what Naysayers say it more or less confirms the Nvidia leak that there is a Switch NeXt system coming and looks with the confirmation it coming in 2023 is most likely here. For those thinking they aren't going to make such a Premium and standard hardware is really living a delusional world. They can have both and people can choose which system them want. They have PS5 pro and standard or such iterations and yet people don't go crying a river about it but if Switch does it oh hella breaks loose. So what gives are they that afraid of a under powered Switch- MUST BE.

@BloodNinja just buy games physically 😛

@Poodlestargenerica every game I can think of on both Switch and Ps3 runs better on Switch tho. The complex cell hardware might give ps3 some small advantages on paper, but the Switch is more powerful in practice.

@Ravenmaster is obvious Nintendo is working on it next console, they began working on the next console, the moment, the current console is launched, in 2/3 years Switch sucessor will be launched.

I’d be happy if Ninty’s next console releases alongside Zelda Tears of the Kingdom. I’m ready and already saved for a new system

@TowaHerschel7
Let's be clear, none of this has to do with graphics, just performance. Noone thinks the switch doesn't look good (well some people might I guess).

The Wii U is actually not as powerful computationally than the Ps3, even if it is technically capable of better graphics. But that's fine, that you believe that that because nintendo spread it around in the same way Sega did with the dream cast being a "128 bit" console. The two are definitely not on the same computational level.

As for the switch, all you need to do is plug the two in together and see which performs better. It's close, but the ps3 wins in real world performance. They're both hooked up to my TV right now. You could argue that the ps3 games are just more performance intensive, but that's what we're talking about right? Running high performance games on switch without frame crashing or frame dropping. All I ever hear is how hard it is to design for the switch because of these limitations.

@HammerKirby I mean it's a good solution for some, but I'm a minimalist and hate clutter around my house. Plus, not all games get physical releases. At this point, you're better off emulating, since they keep killing off their consoles.

@BloodNinja,

So true, which is why I only ever download games that have no other option, the Switch's successor needs to migrate all digital games over, and be backwards compatible with the physical games too.

@sixrings the issue I have with less power isn’t so much as far as graphics but rather performance with load times and frame rate. I am starting to buy stuff on other systems now. Games that shouldn’t have performance issues are at times having problems on the Switch.

@Ejadaddy Asia culturally has more respect for its customers and their own reputation than the strict capitalism loving west. They'd be more likely to favor the customer in the case of deciding about splitting games. That said, you'd usually be talking about an 8gb vs 16gb card decision, as there's only like 5 games that use 32gb cards and you can bet that Nintendo offered to split the cost of most (if not all) of those cases because it's simply not a viable business cost otherwise. As is, we'd end up with a powerhouse portable that CAN display high res textures, but won't, because the media format cost doesn't support their sizes. Games would only look slightly better than their previous system then. So yeah, that's certainly something they need to figure out. It points toward either a dual format setup like DS or Wii, or worryingly: no backward compatibility at all...

(This is also why I keep telling people they need to milk the current Switch for as long as they can, because card costs need to drop first, and I'm not convinced they'll drop enough even in 10 years. And, that could also mean that we might see a "Pro" before we see a "2")

@sixrings when more and more AAA games are being released on cloud rather than natively, yeah, the Switch needs more power.

@johnvboy It would be a HUGE slap in the face to not go full backwards compatible for the next few console generations. People are spending SO MUCH MONEY on this stuff, and companies are taking advantage of people, in this way.

@HammerKirby Nah, it's not that simple, anyway. Most games on Switch look and run much worse than their PS3 counterparts. The performance for Skyrim is staggeringly bad on Switch, as an example that was on both. At least on the PS3, you can download a patch to fix that.

Anyway, too many variables to just say one is better than the other. You would have to look at individual games, but my money is always going to be on a dedicated console, rather than a hybrid piece of hardware.

my only real wishes for the next console are more comfortable joy-cons (so probably make them a little bit bigger) and to make it backwards compatible with the games we've already got.
anything else is a bonus

…and maybe a tiny bit bigger screen as well, because a lot of the game text is too small to read

Godspeed with the Switch Pro/whatchamacallit. I've been playing my Series X more and more this year. And while switch may still be getting exclusives left and right, the sacrifices made for them to be able to run decently are seriously getting old.

That Nvidia employee also accidentally confirmed that T239 will have 8 CPU cores, which is good to know since information on T239's CPU wasn't known before. The Nvidia hack from earlier this year only gave details on T239's GPU.

With this new piece of info, we now know this about T239:
> Nicknamed "Drake"
> Runs on Nvidia's Ampere GPU architecture
> Based off of Nvidia's Orin SoC
> Has 8 CPU cores
> Has 1536 CUDA cores
> Includes tensor cores for DLSS
> Includes RT cores for ray-tracing

There will be new Nintendo console eventually, that I'm sure of.

@HammerKirby You will not find a person who thinks the switch is better than the ps3 more than I do. The ps3 is my least favorite home console I've owned, and the only generation I went for non Nintendo. Prove me wrong Nintendo, port modNation to switch.

Leakers are parasites. They should try to create something on their own instead of ruining others by stealing confidential information.

@sixrings A Switch 2 is ABSOLUTELY needed for people like me. I would like to be able to play Hyrule Warriors with a friend without having the game slow to a crawl and become unplayable.

I would like to be able to play Breath of the Wild and go into the Korok Forest without it dropping to 5 frames per second and feel like I'm moving in molasses.

These aren't obscure games, by any means. Breath of the Wild is a 1st party game and a flagship title for Nintendo and it runs like garbage if there's too much going on at once.

I'm sure the current Switch is fine for people that only play Stardew Valley or Tetris, but have some empathy for those of us that play games you clearly don't.

At this point it's too late in the Switch's life to reasonably just be a 'pro' model. This chip is likely for a propper Switch 2 would be my bet.

At this point this is way more likely being for a Switch 2 then a Switch Pro. It’s pretty late in the game to introduce a fourth Switch model especially if it’s one that boosts the specs that is better off saved for the next Gen device

@BloodNinja,

My guess is Nintendo have got an awesome brand with the Switch and it's trademark "Click", so they will hopefully want to cash in on that success, they have made a console for the core and masses to enjoy, so Switch 2 or whatever word/symbol comes after the Switch, will probably used the same game carts with mote storage, and they already have your Nintendo account linked to the e-Shop, so not a big drama to lock all your current digital purchases to it as well, even more so considering the online service subscription etc...which makes all the retro stuff far easier to tie to an account.

I love my switch oled. Don’t want or need anything else

@Schizor88 SteamDeck didn’t set any new standard for Nintendo lol. SteamDeck has its own issues. One among them is actually mass producing the thing in more regions ideally in actual retail stores/online outlets. Instead of the current bottleneck stagger release on one website.

There are plenty of people that are not hardcore PC gamers that never even heard of the thing because of practically no effective marketing so they just get a Switch instead.

I see Sony, Nintendo, MS marketing advertisements all the time in comparison. Nintendo still beats Valve in the price barrier of entry as well. Last I check you can’t get a SteamDeck model for $200 which is what matters for a ton of economic minded consumers.

If we want to talk strictly specs putting aside it has inferior screen, battery life, and ergonomics a Steam Deck still loses to any modern affordable laptop for PC gaming that you can get in a similar price range as a Steam Deck [especially the $650 Steam Deck lol]

i hope most Switch sucessor games run at 60fps and if you play a Switch game like Monster Hunter Rise that run at 30fps on Switch sucessor it got a performance boost and now run at 60fps.

i think is too late to release a more powerful model for Nintendo Switch, when in 2/3 years Nintendo could release the Switch sucessor

@Savage_Joe You mean like Kingdom Hearts? Lol. There are plenty of Cloud ports because they were lazy/wanted to cut costs as much as possible for a low effort “port”. Not all of them are RE Village level.

@Arawn93 this is all of course just personal opinions and I don't share yours.

Nintendo has probably 20+ Switch 2s prototype Versions laying around at their R&D office and keeps numbers of options tested and open until the very day it gets decided to go into production. Not much news here.

Meanwhile some people in another office of course already build on a Switch 3 ..

@Schizor88 It’s a “personal opinion” that the Steam Deck objectively has worse distribution, marketing, and price barrier of entry compared to Nintendo? Or that they have a worse screen [No OLED option available] and worse battery life [long since been compared]?

Ok Valve fan believe whatever you want to believe lol. Keep thinking the Steam Deck inspired Nintendo with the “new standard” lol.

Btw Steam Deck isn’t close to being the first portable PC machine because they been around for awhile so….yeah guess those other machines was “the standard” too.

I feel sad that you have nothing better to do than comment 15 times on the same article. 😂
I love the deck and I loved the switch, and I am not telling you that your statements are false in terms of steam deck shortcomings, but why compare gaming laptops to a handheld gaming machine? You just don't make much sense to me that's all. But you are of course entitled to your opinion, and your arrogant way of communicating. Comment all you want you can't "win" a subjective argument. 😝

@Zverik How do you expect to play Stray on a console that's 1/4 the power of PS4, when Stray is only on PS5 and PC, and PS4 doesn't even have it?

Take a note.
Only Sony using sequence number for home console PlayStation machines (PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5) except their portable machines (PSP, PS VITA) while Nintendo and Microsoft are never using number sequence for their home console machines.
I believe the next Switch machine will have their own name, not Switch 2, not Switch Pro.

If its gonna be as powerful as a ps4 there should be no issue getting better performance for say ports like witcher 3 and here's hoping there's no excuse to bring games like call of duty over. Nintendo first party will continue to utilize their hardware like always but it would be nice to not get such downgraded ports... even though thats a guarantee as we get deeper into current gen as they drop off last gen versions

Whenever it's time for new Nintendo hardware, we get all these rumors about some crazy technical improvements it's going to have, and what we always end up with is whatever they could fit in a ~$300 budget with a novelty feature that's easily marketable to casual consumers. If they want to buck that trend with their next system and slip some legitimately modern tech in there, then great, but I've learned not to put stock in anything before the official announcement.

@Anti-Matter right because gameboy advance sp wasnt a thing neither was new Nintendo 3ds... It can very well he called switch plus switch advanced switch pro or most likely the least expected generic name

@BloodNinja Do you remember how bad Skyrim performed on ps3? Switch does 900p docked, fairly consistent 30 fps according to Digital Foundry. https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2017-skyrim-switch-vs-playstation-4 Skyrim on Ps3 is 720p docked with bad anti-aliasing, making for a worse picture than a sharp 720p and truly abymasal framerate. Here's a framerate test for Skyrim on ps3: https://youtu.be/QuOBSSabBU0

@BloodNinja or you could just softmod the consoles too. From what I hear it's relatively easy to do and it gives you the original experience. This applies to all consoles with some kind of shop so, 3ds, DSi, Wii, Wii U.

@HammerKirby I personally owned Skyrim on PS3 for several years, and did not have the performance issues I had on my Switch version. Don't let the news media control your brain.

Why would I softmod my consoles that I don't even own? Did you just read a second ago that I hate having clutter around my house? lol

Call it a Pro or Switch 2 it will definitely be backwards compatible. If they didn't would be fracturing their market and killing the golden goose. The base design of the Switch works great joycons aside why mess with it? This hardware upgrade would give the needed power. I'm not worried about it affecting battery life given that electronics are much more efficient that ever.

@rjejr The Steam Deck has roughly PS4-level power and is doing very well performance-wise. PS4 Pro-level power is more than double that, which would make it a serious power hog and heat generator. It just wouldn’t be feasible for a portable device.

@BloodNinja the news media? Dude I sent you a video recorded directly from the console, not just an article.. Should I trust a video or your recollection from years ago back when 360 and ps3 really struggled to run anything. You're one of those people who thinks Facebook is a more reliable source of news than media aren't you? Oh then why do you care about the shops shutting down if you don't even own the consoles?

@Arawn93 they don't need to be RE quality level. If the dev has a choice between heavily altering the graphics of their games to fit on switch or to lazily port it to cloud while looking better than base ps4, of course they will choose the least expensive path.

And if more games are being ported to cloud on switch, hey, they might be more profitable than what native advocates think 🤷🏻‍♂️

DLSS makes perfect sense for the next switch. The visual trickery is magic with that tech. Makes crappy old monitors look like 4k

@Anachronism DLSS is the ticket for Nintendo to make its move. A cheap way to get great looking graphics on even old monitors.

@NintendoKnight The Switch 2 will practically be exactly what you're describing. Just with more than a simple spec boost - also a design change. Much like a PS5 or XSX, the next generation will simply be a better version of the same thing.

@HammerKirby You have a lot of anger. Put it in a diary instead of at other users on this site LOL

@BloodNinja Skyrim was running at 720p on your PS3, 900p on the Switch. And the Switch version has a more stable framerate. In terms of raw performance, the Switch is about 1.5x as powerful as a PS3 and has a lot more RAM.

@Anti-Matter I believe Nintendo will be a lot more cautious about using new names AND using the same name. The Wii U taught them that you need to better define that something is a new generation. However, giving it a totally new name will confuse buyers into thinking it's a completely new type of platform. It's not always useful to expect anything will ever repeat itself just because it already has.

@ChakraStomps Yeah, throwing in DLSS will be a massive game changer for everything on Switch, even old games. XSX and PS5 can both do it but I'm wondering what the hold up is.

@BloodNinja well yeah people who tend to ignore facts when put right in front of them do make me kinda mad. Stop being so stubborn in your ignorance.

Just got OLED upgrade, there is no way in heck am I getting a Pro or a Switch 2... period.

We all need TIME to play this massive library of available games!!!
These generations are moving way too fast for most people.

@sixrings Dude the Switch is extremely under-powered as hell nowadays hence why cloud games are becoming more common and why many just don't appear at all. Even Nintendo's own 1st party stuff has problems, XB3 is a great game but its pushing the Switch to its limits and considering BotW runs subpar on it i dread to think how the Switch will cope with the sequel. Bayo 3 next month a game that should be played at 60fps yet we will be lucky if the game can stick to a stable 30fps. You want 5 years more? So you want a console that is only getting a handful of indies, a handful of 1st parties and endless cloud versions? 2024 is when the Switch 2 or whatever they call it should hopefully happen i hope.

Something no one seems address is the fact that the world's economy is in the toilet right now. People in many countries are going to struggle to keep warm this winter and feed their families.

Add in the chip and component shortages and we'll be lucky if things improve enough by 2024 for Nintendo to release anything big.

Why is nobody else excited about RTX? Raytracing, HDR and DLSS are going to make stunning games no matter what other console you compare its power to. You can't compare that to PS4 because these technologies will make it look like PS5 in many ways even if it's only pushing half the amount of polygons.

I care less about graphics and more on performance. Splatoon 3's tri Splatfest looks like it was meant to be 4v4v4 but had to settle on an awkward 2v2v4 due to hardware limits. Speaking of online some games really need an upgrade from them potato servers. MK8 has the weirdest lag delays whenever I throw I red shell and it just floats for 30 seconds.

However, I agree component shortages and prices have most likely been a huge setback to a potential upgraded Switch model/successor any time soon. If the pandemic didn't happen I honestly think we would've heard about a new console this year.

@WallyWest I think that's sixrings's attempt at humour. He throws these posts in all the time. Whenever graphics and framerates come up in a topic he comes a running.

I'm so ready for a meatier Switch. Bring on next year*

*or not.

@Juno335 Probably has more to do with network performance, though.

Tears of the Kingdom is releasing in MAY of 2023 for a big reason. If it was not bundled with a new console to advertise, then it would have a launch date around March, to boost the previous financial year's numbers.

Furukawa has made the financial year an important distinction in his answers about a new console. He has clearly stated that a new console would not launch within the current financial year. That ends at the beginning of April.

Everyone should be putting money aside for May 2023, not just because it will be a new Nintendo console, but also because they very well could launch a Zelda special edition Switch 2 alongside TOTK.

@rjejr It might be PS4 power, but with this chip there are advantages. It should be able to use DLSS 2.2 to up the resolution (render at 1080p like a PS4, but then upscale to 4k beautifully), plus it will have HDR which is also more like the PS4 Pro. The combination of features on this chip could give some surprising performance for a chip clocked like a PS4 and with similar cores as the PS4.

I sure hope so, too.

My television is a nice 4k OLED now. In my book, Nintendo does make games that demand to be played on it with higher fidelity. Zelda and Metroid should have beautiful detailed environments (not "realistic", but enhanced). Colorful games like Splatoon could pop more vibrantly and have a wider depth of contrast, too. I think Pikmin's environments are more fun the more photo real they are —Nintendo thinks so, too, evidenced by the advertising and Pikmin Bloom.

I will admit that Nintendo does an amazing job with the Switch hardware, though. Splatoon 3 looks great, for instance. After 6 years, though, I'm ready for some graphical enhancements in the sequel to Breath of the Wild

@Ulysses That sounds like a good bet and I hope you are right!

For those thinking that this Switch has more life in it, you are not wrong. The previous console always does good business for years after the successor launches. It could maybe even go for 4 more years as a lower-cost option, making it a 10-year console. (The red Wii launched in the US about 2 years after the Wii U launched, for instance)

@k8sMum Unfortunately that doesn’t stop companies from selling goods, the wheels of commerce will keep turning no matter what happens in the world. People will still buy new phones, computers, lap tops, consoles, mortgages. Nintendo is no different

Nintendo should stop releasing underpowered console. Now that Steam Deck is here, they should have realized that people who used to play third party games on the Switch are moving away from the Switch. They're losing customers. So, the next Nintendo handheld/hybrid console should be powerful enough to get GTA VI running on it. We need more modern games, not just old ports. Hear us out, Nintendo!

@Fiq_Strife Doesn't seen like anyone is moving away from the Switch. I mean where would they go? 75% of those customers doesn't even know the Steam Deck exist and 20% of those aren't even PC gamers. There are more customers who just want to buy a system mostly a hybrid one, buy a game, and just play it.

@ChakraStomps Yep, it sure seems like a Switch 2/Pro with DLSS would be a smart move, but considering Nintendo's habit of almost actively avoiding whatever everyone agrees they should probably do, I'm not going to believe it until I see it.

@BiscuitCrumbsInMyBed

Many will, no doubt. But this economic downturn is affecting people who are usually immune from it and they are nervous about the future. Discretionary spending is already down here in the States.

@NintendoKnight

I'd hope Nintendo does the backwards compatibility thing. The PS5 and Xbox series X are heavily backward compatible with prior generations. Assuming you can just download eshop games or play existing carts on the Switch 2, that is surely the way to go. It's too late in the cycle to do a New Switch or whatever they call it and it won't get people excited to keep playing existing games with either slightly higher framerate or slightly higher resolution. A new product is needed to excite the market.

I just want nintendo to make a new switch which support 1080p 60 fps and dolby atmos, and maybe ssd like ps5 or xbox series.

@BloodNinja
Imagine refuting factual information with "u mad, bro?" 🤣

Can't be me...

@Arawn93 OLED is not objectively a better screen. It has better contrast. IPS panels have better color and better viewing angles.

As long as it's still 100% backwards-compatible with the current library and the same battery life as the current Switch, I'm all for it.

VR? Nah. If we're going to have gimmicks (besides the Switch's main one, which I never want to lose), I'd rather have the 3DS' no-glasses 3D.

Right now, though, I'm still perfectly happy if Ninty decides to support the Switch for a few more years. Us old-school gamers know how to wait and aren't as demanding in terms of graphics and such.

@Timptation yeah I'd love to see games like Witcher, and botw get like a 60fps update

@CazSonOfCaz seemingly most people's opinion as well as mine is that it's much more pleasant to look at in most games though. Definitely all up to people's view

Looks like the new SOC will be on par with the rest of the mobile field (Arm Cortex base). While I don’t think it’ll be “more powerful” than the PS5 or Xbox Series, which would put the Switch into the iPhone Pro level of chipsets at price point. However, I hope the new SOC is on par with Apple A13 or A14, it would give the new system some legs for a 3-4 years. Although, I’m wondering if we’ll start seeing hardware changes every 4-6 years within the lifespan of each device. These SOCs can do so much more than their distant X64 cousins at a MUCH smaller footprint and wattage performance. I think we’ll hear something in 2023, maybe before Zelda?

@CazSonOfCaz oled displays are always better than IPS on viewing angles. Every pixel in an oled panel is independently lit, instead of depending on a backlight. So, no matter how much you change the angle, you will still see the original colors. Even the best IPS panel will have a viewing angle limit, depending on the quality, whereas the oled doesn't have that problem.

@rjejr Some people smarter than me have already done analysis on the chipset and its graphical capabilities. Graphically, with shader units and such considered, docked mode should be around PS4 Pro level, before DLSS is considered.

The PS4 level comment is about handheld mode, and that's assuming they take the chip we know about and ita clocked the same way the current Switch is. Handheld likely wouldn't be using DLSS as it's too power hungry for practical use. But PS4 level gpu can definitely do 720p.

So all that considered, it's pretty exciting.

@Savage_Joe I suppose that’s true. From everything I’ve heard IPS is still better for color accuracy though. Note I said “accuracy.”

OLEDs may appear more vibrant and that’s great for a consumer (like bass boost in headphones), but not great for people actually creating things.

For Digital artists and designers working in Photoshop and the like color accuracy is more important and for that reason still use IPS panels. They’re also less prone to burn in.

It is pretty obvious it's releasing alongside of the Zelda sequel.

nVidia announced many Orin products this week.

They have a super cheap Orin Nano 4GB that they could actually just use to replace the Switch. 512 CUDA cores.

They have a double memory and speed Orin Nano 8GB with 1024 cores which is the most likely product for a next Switch.

And then all the ORIN NX products that were previously announced are not needed by Nintendo unless you want a 16GB version of the Nano to compete with the Steam Deck.. So you'd have to jump up to the AGX if Nintendo wanted to spend big. Not gonna happen. That would be the 2000 core product with 32GB of memory.

What I'd like Nintendo to do is release two new products. A Switch 2 with the Nano 8GB. And a home console AGX with 32GB memory version, for an extra $100.

$300 for the Switch 2, and $400 for the Nintendo home console (no screen) with 32GB of memory and AGX. Texture packs and resolution improvements.

I think just the fact that Hello Games is porting No man’s sky onto the Switch is proof that there is a new console coming out. They wouldn’t go to this much trouble for a product circle of a year or two. They must know that stronger hardware is coming out for them to be able to support this game for at least the next 5-6 years. Otherwise it wouldn’t make any sense.

@Timptation

Well, it still will need optimizations of games to work well. Many developers on PS4 and Xbox more or less skipped compression and left loads of bloat-assets/code and stuff in the games to save time.

There are lots of way's to make big games work on Switch, and on Switch 2, as long as they don't just try to push full-size PC games on there like on Steam Deck. It will just be as today, when Xbox and Playstation receives a new game, we Switch players get to wait 3-6 month or so for our release. I think it's worth that "trade off" to get good working portable versions.

@NintendoKnight
It's absolutely clear for me that they will use, like PS4/PS5, 1-3 years of cross-platform. The current switch playerbase is just gigantic.
I frankly expect the switch pro near BOTW2

Disruption the likes of wiiU/switch were needed because wiiU was not a success and they wanted to finally merge the development streams of home and portable consoles into one.

@Zverik Ok, I didn't follow your link, but I checked PlayAsia and they have a listing for a physical PS4 release in November. That said, my real point is that Stray won't run on hardware that is 1/4 the power of PS4, especially considering the Switch is around 1/2 the power. If Nintendo makes the successor to the Switch half the power of its predecessor, imagine the memes that would generate.

@Savage_Joe it's not always about power and most times, it's just laziness. How can we get Doom, Wolfenstein and The Witcher on switch but square can't get Kingdom Hearts natively? That's just laziness. There are some really talented port specialists out there for switch who literally work miracles. Will there be sacrifices? Yes, but it'll still look good and play well if handled by the right people

@Timptation
If Nintendo ditches the SD card slot and adds an m.2 slot instead then it doesn't matter much if you have to download additional files. But yeah, would be better if Nintendo stopped being greedy and lowered the price of the memory cards...

@k8sMum It’s the same here in the UK, though Nintendo have stated that the current switch is in the middle of its life cycle so I’m assuming Nintendo will support the switch with the eShop for another four to five years even if it does reveal a new system before then. I believe they will as we have plenty of first party games for the switch now, and Zelda is still to come as well as Metroid. I suppose they would discount the switch by the time a new system is out making it more affordable for more people and at the least have backward compatibility for switch games on the new system. Nintendo could actually go one further though and have their new games run on both systems, but obviously run smoother and prettier on a new system.

I personally would love an updated Switch or Switch 2. However, I don't want a new system like the "NEW" 3DS XL, that you needed to play a small set of games and offered only minor upgrades at a bigger price tag.

@sixrings NSW is probably my fav console in 40 years gaming but let’s not kid ourselves. The opposite is also true, more power allows more creativity, however, that’s not the issue. Many current and (let alone upcoming) INDIE games struggles to have decent performance (framerate, which DOES impact gameplay) right now, let alone in 2 years. 5 years? That is just a bad joke.

The Steam Deck has me questioning what I want from a Switch 2. Honestly I want Nintendo to make another pocket sized handheld (Switch Pocket?). The Deck will probably still handle my AAA games but I know Switch 2 will have great Nintendo exclusives and local multiplayer games.

@NintyRift Thanks for the rundown. I used to keep better track of all the hardware stuff back when Intel and AMD were racing to 1GHZ CPUs but then life happened. Guess it's been a while. 😂

https://techmonitor.ai/technology/amd_intel_the_race_to_1ghz

Another foldable with a Lite sized OLED and maybe some sort of touch panel on the bottom half would be amazing, especially if it can beam the game to the dock for WiiU styled gameplay. I miss having Animal Crossing in my pocket.

@Gelantious What memory cards are we talking about? microSD isn't made by Nintendo and neither is NVMe cards that bigger then you think to fight inside a Switch. Your clearly giving misleading opinions here.
For the Deck is worse in terms of portability and lack of Docking to HDTV to play the Steam games that is even worse deal for those owning it. Why create a device for such high price but give no option to Dock to HDTV gameplay. Even the FunStock console retro device now has HDMI TV connections and it cost even less.

@Captain-N yeah but the president of Nintendo said it was halfway through its lifespan only a year and a half ago. We have 3 more years at least. That's why all these articles and comments about getting something new confuse me.... they literally already told us how long we have.

@Poodlestargenerica what? The switch is already more powerful than a ps3. And of course they can eventually make one more powerful than a ps4.....do you think technology stops advancing for some reason? I'm sure people thought we couldn't get 3ds graphics on a handheld smaller than a gameboy too, lol

@Jprhino84 Nice shout out for the Steam Deck, forgot about that as I'm not a portable gamer, only play on TV. Yeah, Switch 2 probably won't be as powerful as that, Nintendo wont' make it any more than $399, so the power won't be there, but as my buddy below pointed out the new chip does seem to have a few PS4 Pro tricks up it's sleeve, even w/o the power. So that's a compromise I can live w/. Even w/ a 4k tv I don't think I need 4k games, just less empty games.

@aaronsullivan The power of the a PS4 w/ the tricks of a Pro should suffice. Pro wasn't really all that much more powerful than a pS4 anyway but it did have it's advantages. So Sony killed it. 😂

I'm a graphics guy so I kind of need photorealistic. Well not exactly, but more than what Switch is doing in XC3. MH Rise looked really good, as does Splatoon. But I prefer the Naughty Dog looking PS4 stuff. There's a reason HFW and GoW:R can still run on PS4, they had enough power. I don't need TLoU PT 1 remake, 1st still looks fine to me even on PS3, but the Switch could use some help making things not look like Wii games, or Wii U games, which I think it basically is. Switch does ok once you remove camera control, which is what I'm afraid of w/ what we've seen of Pikmin 4. Not going to be the same game if it all plays out locked, might as well be on 3DS at that point.

Maybe it's time to hold off on Switch games like I did w/ PS4 games while I waited to get a PS5. Zelda and Pikmin 4 may get a noticeable boost.

@Jokerwolf that's not obvious at all, lol. They said the switch was only halfway through its life a year ago. We have 3 more years at least before a new switch. Wouldn't make sense to release the successor that quickly after the OLED, especially when they're still selling well.

@Corvus96 I don't believe that anybody who has argued with me has spent time recently playing a ps3. I have. Noone is arguing about graphics, yes graphics have gotten better. But the switch still lags, and has longer loading times.The amount of people I've seen say that the ds was more powerful than the n64 because of the graphics in Mario 64 is huge. Whereas anyone can see that the game is worse in every other appreciable way. Like i said in other comments, prove me wrong Nintendo by showing me what the switch can do.

@Corvus96 First off Nintendo lied about every generation and their lifespan and has been doing so since the NES.

Secondly if it is backwards compatible it is a non-issue for that vast majority of people as they will stick with the older model until they have to upgrade.

@SwitchForce Seriously? The game cards that the games come on, that are so expensive, sold by nintendo, that they publishers rather use the 16gb or 8gb instead of 32gb or 64gb and then put the rest of the files on the net.

That's IP they created that's not like Vita memory which by themselves and were worse their was no game on them. The publisher can use the larger cart they just cost the buyers but games come complete. No it's a easy excuse to use the cart prices - when we already get charged more already. They can do it - it's they don't try. Switch gamers whom want physical already will pay for it. Take old game Witcher 3 that when released was all on cart and only updated far down the line, so don't go telling they can't do it.

@TowaHerschel7 i think it will be, they will sell us the plastic headset to attached the tablet separately

@Corvus96 I honestly forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me.

Regardless of whether the next iteration is a pro model or a true successor, full backwards compatibility with the entire Switch back catalogue is a must.

Nintendo have to follow Steam, PSN etc. and create a platform which outlasts more than 1 console generation.

@sixrings because lot of games run at 360p/480p because of the low processing power. more powerfull hardware could get the HD console to play games in HD

@sixrings Nintendo games being stuck at 30 FPS or less is getting old. I'm ready for 60 FPS across the board for 1st party and indies.

I think it’s time for you all to do a vote on the name for the next console. I say it should stay consistent with the NES/SNES and be called the Super Switch. Unless of course it’s just a minor update like with the Game Boys. Switch 2 and Switch Pro seem very uninspired and Pro is overused.

@BloodNinja

I had Skyrim on PS3 twice and that version ran like ass. It ran better than Oblivion or either Fallout on PS3, but it wasn’t anything to brag about. Especially the well known save memory bug that plagued the game once you were about 20 hours into it with a bunch of saves. Ran even worse after that.

With that said, I’ve never played it on Switch so I can’t comment on which one is worse. I would imagine the Switch version is pretty abysmal though considering that Burnout Paradise (a game I’ve owned on both of those platforms) ran better and looked cleaner on PS3 than it did on Switch.

@OrtadragoonX I had an SSD on my PS3, so I never faced the performance issues people complained about. Best $40 upgrade I ever used. The Switch version has no mod support, and extremely long load times and multiple frame drops. It contains all the bugs that the unofficial patch cannot fix, which you could fix on PS3 version. That's my short list lol.

@Anachronism that would sadly be true that they trip themselves for no reason.. hoping for the best on this one though

I'm not fond of consoles getting a Pro model. For PS4 there was a time I thought it was great but when looking back at it now, I think it would have been better for Sony to have either made the Pro in the first place or left it be with the original model. Pro models means that the original model will start to struggle later down the road.

Personally I think it's better to make a brand new hardware like a Switch 2 that can play all of Switch games. But has games of it's own that someday won't be able to run on the original Switch. The original Switch would always be around and seen as the main console of that generation rather than become the console that struggled to keep up with a new model.

For a Switch 2 I'd expect Nintendo to change it up so it's different with a unique controller of it's own without losing the hybrid.

If this is a Pro model that will make current games really shine, then yeah, Switch will overtake PS2 sales. Just waiting for you Nintendo

@ChakraStomps I see it as more a double-edged sword. Their insistence on marching to the beat of their own drum does sometimes leave them bafflingly ignorant to the basic conventions of the rest of the games industry, but it's also what lets them continually create novel gaming experiences. Aside from maybe the Wii U, I'd say they've consistently proven there's value in prioritizing unique hardware over raw power.

@sixrings lol, sure limitations suit Nintendo because it gives them an excuse to be limited in scope for now... A back compat Switch 2 is on the horizon.

@Teddie-bear It really doesn't. Switch is already struggling with providing experiences that go beyond what the Gamecube/PS2 generation could offer, all a pro model does is provide an option for gamers who prefer smoother framerates and higher resolutions. Granted, it won't interest most Nintendo gamers as they don't care, but it could entice the more demanding market who have sat on the fence.

@dkxcalibur Well to be fair the New 3DS XL was more than double the power of a 3DS... It was just completely underutilised as it came out too late.

@OrtadragoonX
The gimped tablet is an abomination.it can run barely indie crap, no third party ports of major series and the nintendrones are happy when they get 720p@30FPS, if not below, in 2022... If you remove mario, splatoon and Zelda, absolutely nothing decent remains. everything else is remastered, indies and 3rd ports released years ago on other systems while running better.
As I already mentioned, FIFA legacy, "Cloud Edition" of RE or Kingdom Hearts are the perfect demonstration of why everything is wrong with the switch hardware design.
BOTW is one of the greatest open world game ever released, but unfortunately completely crippled by the weak tablet while the WiiU version run in full 60FPS, HDR and 4k on opensource emu.
I wish they release two seperate systems. one tablet for the hipsters, an one standard console without all the useless gimmicks, like Sony did back in the days with the PSVita TV. Lets pray the new Tegra SoC will bring 60FPS@1080p, which is the bare minimum.

@RasandeRose Doom Eternal went from 40gb to 17.5gb, and if those guys can’t get it under 16gb, don’t expect the majority of developers to. Many Ps4 games, and certainly many games yet to be released games are even bigger. Yes, technically they could compress even further, but at the cost of making the games look comparable at best to current switch games, only at better framerates and resolutions. If you thought the door on FF7 remake looked bad, get ready for the entire game to look that way if it comes out on a 16gb card…

More fake rubbish, an Nvidia employee makes a ‘comment’ yeah right, no source provided no proof. Just like all the ‘leaks’ and rumours and basically made up rubbish about a Switch Pro over the last 5 years!
As for ray tracing, yeah right like that’ll happen in a mobile chip running off a small battery.

@NintendoKnight As long as I can simply insert Switch 1 cartridges on the new switch and play them natively, I don't mind what name they will give to the new switch.

@NintendoKnight Even if it is a switch 2, it'd be backwards compatible 100%. It's based on same architecture. Not dissimilar to PS5 and PS4, or every generation of xbox.

if Nintendo goes into a model where they stick with same but upgraded architecture, backwards compatibility should be a thing. It's when you change arch that you can't do that, which is pretty much all previous Nintendo hardware, and playstation with PS1-ps3, which is why backwards compat is much harder for sony and Nintendo versus xbox which has basically always been a PC in a box.

So, TL/DR, I don't care what they call it, switch 2, switch pro, new switch. it's going to be based on same hardware so it should run the same games plus likely new ones that are locked only to the new hardware (closest parallel would actually be the new 3ds)

It's NintenDoomed again they couldn't kill the Switch with one year sales and underpowered gpu. Now they latched on the premise of the lack of backward compatibility carts and cart slot. They just can't seem to phase the Switch out. The leaks and now Nvidia chipsets clearly shows there was development of the next-gen Switch and man that scares the heck out of them. Anything with a pea size brain can figure hardware will upgrade but still remain compatible since they been saying that all along from Nintendo but seems like even that was too much for them to take in.

when it is officially out and isn't called 'Switch Pro' then it was never real

@Anachronism yeah that why DLSS tech is perfect for them. It isn't raw power but the result are stunning

Smh, here we go again. I really want a better Switch model, but it's at the point where I need to see it to believe it.

@Arawn93 When playing Switch level games & under (ala 7th Gen games & prior) Steam Deck gets just as good, IF NOT BETTER battery life than the current Switch's (it can be easily tweaked to get at/over ≈7 hours in indie games). It's only for the latest & greatest AAA games that the Switch can't even play, WHATSOEVER, where the Deck's battery life is notably worse.

And why would being sold in retail stores atm do anything but serious damage to Valve's efforts? O_o They would be even further diluting the extremely demand limited supply and making it vulnerable to god awful scalpers/resellers. Until they can ACTUALLY clear out the reservation list they're STILL WORKING THROUGH (again, demand for the Deck is stupid high considering what kinda product it is), going big box retail would be nothing but business suicide.

@Arawn93 Tell everyone you're a brianwashed Nintendo fanboy who has never held a Steam Deck in their life without telling everyone that xD.

News flash for ya, despite being notably heavier, the Steam Deck is way, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more comfortable to hold, carry, & use, even long term vs the full-size Switch's. And I even have super small hands for crap's sake!

Compared to the "designed to be basically as unergonomic as possible with a totally flat design w/ ridiculously tiny, mediocre buttons & sticks" Nintendo Switch, the Steam Deck's ergonomics are in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT UNIVERSE! As in it can weigh like a third more and STILL feel easier to hold and better to play! And considering the Deck's breadth of input options available that even the Switch could only dream of makes that even MORE impressive!

And this isn't just my opinion here either, it's almost universal for people that regularly use both devices. The OG & OLED Switch's ergonomics are just absolutely freaking GOD AWFUL! So tbf, beating THAT pathetic comfort standard prolly wasn't all that hard to do.

@Cooe You need to calm down Valve fanboy lol.

Putting aside most of that two comments worth of subjective drivel waving the Steam Deck flag here that did nothing to help your case…

Maybe you should go play your Deck instead randomly messaging people from 2+ day old comments as a way for you to kill time lol

@BloodNinja Good for you if you like PS3 that much, but Skyrim performs and looks so much better on Switch, it's not even a competition. (Hooked up brother's PS3 lately and was shocked how horrible even first party titles like TLoU run on that thing. Sold mine back in the day, because GTA IV with sub-20-fps drove me nuts.)

@Timptation They will be forced to use those cards even if it means charging an extra $10 for the game. Playstation and other companies are already doing that anyways.

@Cooe and the steam deck costs only 2-3 times as much as a switch.
Also if it is heavier it is not at all easier to hold.
The library of games is small for the steam deck just like the steam box was.
It will be obsolete in less than 5 years for newer games.
So you see there is a reason it is another flop by steam.

@NintendoKnight I k ow this is a couple days late but Nintendo still has 2 years left on the switch, that will make the 7 year window. As for a switch 2 it will probably be more like the DS series was and be upgraded but still play all the older games as well as the newer games and in better graphics and most likely be 1440p or 2160. Full 4K is probably not going to happen on the handheld but maybe through a new dock. One last thing they may do is upgrade the cloud based gaming. If anyone gets this down pat first it will be Nintendo or Microsoft. Right now cloud gaming is pretty unstable and unreliable as for lag and connecting.
This is all I am expecting with the cloud gaming being a huge plus if they can and do make it flawless and honestly I am perfectly fine with it as long as they keep up the pace to give other devs the ability to put their games on it easily like they are now.

@floxi Cool story bro

@Xero the problem is when you give most developers extra power, and they try to do multi-platform releases they tend to target graphics over performance so you'll likely keep seeing 30FPS for those games. Like you said though I think Nintendo and indies will make good use of the hardware and give 60FPS.

There's so many Switch releases lately barely maintaining 30FPS while some console games are now pulling off 120hz, 60FPS needs to be mandated by Nintendo IMO. I don't care how pretty a game looks if they have to half the generally accepted ideal minimum framerate, this isn't the PS3-Xbox 360 era anymore.

@sixrings Switch needs more power because games play like ASS on it. Even Minecraft Dungeons chugs along at 3 frames per second often and crashes. I hardly even play Switch anymore since it’s just so unreliable.

Not to mention all the “Cloud” editions…..BARF.

@DdG1408 I’d be fine with that honestly. Games are overdue for a price increase, and maybe we can keep in game monitization at bay.

@RupeeClock For especially games that can go to 60 but doesnt hit it very often

@DdG1408 2160p is 4k lol. 2k =1440

@CodyMKW No one has actually thought it was gonna called switch pro. Just something like ps4 to ps4pro so we call it
pro.

@cylemmulo Yea for sure. And then games like Fortnite and Overwatch would Definitley get 60fps updates

@UltimateBreak82 I guess you misread my comment. The switch 2 will probably be 1440p or 2160p. Full 4K is probably mot going to happen on the handheld but maybe the dock.
Meaning through a tv and docked it will run 1440p or 2160p or 4K however you want to put it but 4K will not be happening on a handheld.
Handheld will at most probably be 1080p

Oh boy, I can't wait for a more powerful Switch. With this info, it's partially confirmed that the next Switch will be using this customised SOC Nvidia Tegra T239. PS4 power in handheld mode with 4-5 hours AAA games gameplay is more than enough for me. TV mode can be as powerful as PS4 Pro & Xbox Series S. Many evidences already. Even a very reliable Nvidia leaker, kopite7kimi, already mentioned since last year that the new Switch will be using a variant of Orin (T234)

@Cooe You need to calm down. Steam Deck will never be as successful as Switch. Steam Deck is a niche product. Switch T239 will be more powerful than Steam Deck easily. And I'm using my Switch OLED with the grip, it's so comfortable

@DdG1408 I would be over the moon for handheld to be 1080. but unfortunately I see them using the same screen as the oled which is still really nice

Of course is happening, its just a matter of when,
My bet is, they are going to anounce it in september for a Xtmas 2023 realease, they will keep suporting OG switch for a year at least and most games onwards will be playable by both machines (so backwards compatibility is a given)