The Nintendo Switch's security issues appear to be going from bad to worse, as the very recently implemented 7.0.0 firmware update has already been compromised.
Launching just hours ago, firmware version 7.0.0 brought with it the usual system stability improvements and new security codes to fend off any potential hacking threat. While this should have caused major issues for the hacking scene, and should have acted as a positive step towards a more secure console, the new security efforts were reportedly undone in just four hours.
The news has spread across the likes of Twitter and Reddit, with those interested in hacking the console both mocking Nintendo's efforts and praising the work of ‘elmirorac’, the person behind this latest hacking breakthrough. Naturally, this new development will only cause more concern for legitimate users of the console; if hackers are able to work around Nintendo's coding so easily, it's safe to presume that more and more hacked consoles could eventually find themselves being sold on to innocent buyers.
Last year, prominent hacker SciresM - who actually provided in assistance in today's 7.0.0 hack - stated that the Switch is "completely compromised", noting how only a hardware revision could fix the issue. It has been well documented that the Switch's current reliance on Nvidia's Tegra hardware is to blame for this, suggesting that a new chipset may well be the only real solution.
Do you think Nintendo should take any steps necessary to prevent further hacking, even if it means revising the hardware completely? Are you concerned about the Switch's current vulnerability? Share your thoughts with us in the comments.
[source nintendoenthusiast.com]
Comments 117
Ugh.... It never ends.
So is 7.0 exploitable from any Switch, or do they need to have already been exploited on a much earlier firmware?
Either way, as usual, people will make a bigger deal of this than it really is. I guess the biggest issue is people hacking online matches.
what are they able to do with hacked consoles?
It's only a matter of time before they're able to hack into anyone's Switch and force the Joy-Cons to rumble in morse code saying to subscribe to PewDiePie.
@sikthvash lol
I don't mind hacking inherently. The problem is piracy and cheating in multi-player games.
If you want to hack Breath or the Wild to run around as a naked Zelda with an AK-47, have fun bro. All the power to you.
But if you want to cheat in Splatoon 2 and other online games, or pirate games, also known as stealing games, that is just not okay.
I am a firm believer that people should be allowed to do whatever they please, so long as what they do does not harm anyone else. Cheating in multiplayer games ruins other people's fun, and piracy is theft.
"Mocking Nintendo's efforts"
You know, there's playing a poor unfortunate victim just wanting to have some themes/backups/emulators, and then there's doing all of that with a gleeful "F*** THE POLICE" attitude. ¯(ツ)/¯
Is it really a good idea to report on this? Aren't you just making it more public knowledge by doing so ? Or is this more to report it to Nintendo?
Why do people assume that it's being hacked to cheat in games? The main benefit is that you can add emulators and also add themes and stuff
Lol stability
@Nico87 My experience from the old ps1 days (never owned one, by the way - N64 at that point as I could only afford one console) is that the main reason to hack a console is to play hundreds of games for the price of a breath of air. Anyone else remember kids going on about their chipped PlayStations?
@Heavyarms55 great comment.
Whatever the firmware. It will always be exploited. The only fix is a hardware upgrade.
There is one thing I am not absolutely sure on this. The guys working around the scene should have on their hands a day one o close to it switch. I heard Nintendo already did some hardware revisions without announcing it. Therefore I am curious if the exploit is still possible in all models of switch
Even with revised hardware, I'm sure the hackers will find another way, they always do. I should probably look into hacking my spare Switch before Pokemon comes out later this year.
Arrrrr, there be pirates in these here waterssss
I have a feeling this firmware update was rushed out.
> "Do you think Nintendo should take any steps necessary to prevent further hacking"
At this point I firmly believe it is HEAVILY in everyone's best interest, including Nintendo's, for them to stop. Obviously keep efforts towards preventing hacking that impacts online gameplay, but all trying to prevent personal aesthetic and functional mods is doing is causing a rift between Nintendo and it's fans. Nintendo themselves must be getting beyond frustrated with their consumers every time they have to fix something, and many consumers who just want to adjust the product they rightfully own feel like Nintendo is trying to tear some piece of that ownership away from them by constantly preventing these modifications, or at least trying to prevent them.
I love Nintendo, and frankly they're one of the few things I appreciate about the world of gaming today, but even as someone who really doesn't care about hacking or modding their Switch, please focus your efforts on other things, for your own sake and everyone else's.
Today science has proven that piracy can be good:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190128081151.htm
I’m not necessarily against hacking, but I’m certainly against stealing. That being said it seems people always get worked up about a console being hacked, however isn’t a PC the most hackable gaming platform, almost by design?
Anyway, this sort of thing is how we’re going to end up with always on Internet connections being required for DRM checks. See XBox One E3 annoucement.
"you want to hack Breath or the Wild to run around as a naked Zelda with an AK-47"
I'm gonna need you to stop reading my diary, @Heavyarms55
Haven't they already released a hardware revision last summer? How are the news on that? I'm guessing that these hackers still work on their release day hardware?
It's been years since I've seen a cheater in a multiplayer game - I think the last time I remember was in Metroid Prime Hunters. So either Nintendo has been doing a good job, or that people just aren't really interested in cheating anymore.
@LowRyder I don’t necessarily align with you on this, but I can say it’s crazy there are no customizable aspects to the switch OS aside from a light and dark user interface. It certainly would encourage people to hack their system to customize it like you said.
@Retupmocnin downvoted into oblivion
Well, piracy never killed any console, so I don't really care about that really
I don't understand why some people are that mad about people doing whatever they want with their console, yeah some of them steal games, some other just install themes/mods/emulators or whatever, but if we put aside the "pirate all the games" aside, there would be no reason to hack the console if Nintendo would do some themes/templates for the UI and a correct "virtual console" replacement
There's not enough mods to say that it's a reason to hack the console imo. So yeah, Nintendo right now is slow asf, no applications, no way to actually read video files for example, there's a lot of stuff missing and I know that a lot of people will tell me "oh you know it's a video game console", but sometimes people want to do more, that's why they hack it. If you don't offer a legal way, even a paid one, to do something they want to, they'll eventually get it, even if they need to hack your stuff
So yeah, just start by letting people customize the stuff they bought from you and give them the feeling of making it their own other by purchasing expensive joycons, it will be a great start
At this point I feel like they shouldn't even bother trying to prevent hacking and simply gives users no reason to hack.
I've ranted about hacking before and had my mind chamged on some aspects and also still stand firm on other aspects.
Thing is, Nintendo aren't updating firmware and trying to prevent hackers because they hate themes etcetc.
It's because people are using these consoles online either while pirating games/cheating or even playing legit but with a hacked console.
Does anyone really think there's a bunch of tech guys going "hey we need to patch our consoles because some people are sitting at home adding new themes".
I mean maybe... but the scene undeniably creates cheating and piracy and that is why efforts are directed to updates and patches.
Think everyone:
All those man hours Nintendo wasted on 'stability' can be spent on improving the Switch like themes, folders, video player, more games, etc.
DRM and fighting against piracy will always be bad for the paying customers. In the end it achieves nothing but degraded experience for the customers.
@CharlieSmile I'm gonna need you to send me a copy of your diary...
@gcunit I can teach you, but I'll have to charge
@Retupmocnin
Good article, have a +1
This subject always leads to a lot of double standard, it's okay to hack for one reason but not for others.
I feel sorry for Nintendo that they have to waste so much time combatting against hackers when they could spend that time doing something else!!
Shame on you hackers!!!
@Retupmocnin You are assuming that stability updates are just to improve anti piracy measures.
You are most likely wrong.
@Scottwood101 Play any game for free, edit save files, add themes, emulation, free DLC
@sikthvash ROFL
Nintendo Life - hacking is bad
Also Nintendo Life - here are the names of the people you can thank and places you can look too for information about hacking your Switch
😒
This isn't actually a surprise.
The Switch has been hacked on a Hardware level, hacking the Firmware from there shouldn't be hard.
It's like installing a new lock to your door, but someone has already blown a hole into the wall beside the door...
@sikthvash
Hacking for a good deed.
@Heavyarms55 Luckily, while Nintendo is bad at preventing hacking, they are good at punishing you for it. Banning an account is something that happens the second you use internet on a hacked Switch. Sure, there are ways to get around this, but it is still highly risky and cheating online is not something I have seen being done regularly. Most people who hack are either bored, just tired of the $60 games (I am in this group) or want to use the Switch's full potential that Nintendo refuses to exploit
@rjejr So true. The double standards are real.
Can anyone inform me what this news is about? As they said at the end of the article, the Switch is already compromised at a hardware level so if you are not afraid to short circuit your joycons it can be jailbroken regardless of the firmware.
So what actually happened here? Did someone make it easier or safer or less of a nuclear option?
How has this affected online games like Splatoon 2? I haven't touched that game in months.
Assuming Nintendo have some way of detecting whether a Switch has been hacked from their end, could they put a failsafe into the firmware that means if anyone tampers with it it deletes the WiFi drivers?
Does it matter I mean if they go online they get Banned or Bricked or whatever so who cares?
Nintendo can easily find out if you have a hacked switch , they will ban you from online play and the eshop , as far as I know Nintendo changed the hardware in the switch last summer so that it couldn't be hacked.
Yeah, we’re never not having hacked Pokémon. 😐
@Froy2701 someone please hack my switch 😂
@Kalmaro it’s all about clicks, they will put anything in an article if they think it will get you to click it.
Well, the update was useless anyway and brought nothing new.
Right, "efforts" including trickling out boring NES games ad infinitum. Oh the horror.
Tbh, the hardware revision last summer doesn't mean a damn thing. The damage has already been done and the hackers are already doing as they please.
The only people who may be affected by the hardware revision are people who want to use the exploits that the hackers have provided.
These people should be arrested, or have to carry Nintendo eShop cards chained to them, cursed to never touch a video game console again at the very least.
After checking on YouTube, I was amazed with what you can now do with modifications to the Switch (i.e overclocking to make games running smoother etc) - playing Doom3, PS1, N64 and open source games to name a few.
Hardware revision will only do so much since there are a lot of Switches already out in the open and they want to sell their stock.
I think the best way going forward is offering a solid package so people are not inclined to bother with hacking their console.
While yes, they won't be able to meet everything you can do with a hacked Switch, but quality of life updates, or offering much more customisation.
@Froy2701 "just tired of the $60 games (I am in this group)"
Is that a euphemism for "I bootleg games"?
I wouldn't hesitate hacking my console if I would be able to do savegame backups on SD card or wherever. I had problems with a corrupt save in the past and the online backup didn't help in any way.
The only reason I don't hack my switch is because I don't want to be banned.
I'm talking of savegame backups - not the so called "software backups" which I don't tolerate in any way.
Keep prioritizing the wrong things as usual, Nintendo. Oh, and thanks for those avatars nobody asked for.
Meanwhile, we'll continue waiting for features that actually enhance the UI and those that drive online capabilities forward.
@RandomNerds Yeah regardless of whether or not you think Nintendo cares too much about limiting custom modifications, I'd say pretty much everyone would agree that the Switch needs more built in personalization. Even if it's not to the level of the 3DS, more than just light or dark theme would be appreciated.
To me though the issue is much more about buying good will between Nintendo and its fans. While clearly not everyone cares too deeply about this particular issue, anything that limits friction is good in my book. Especially when there's been little scares here and there of Nintendo considering moving more to the mobile phone market. Any little thing that could motivate them to make that move should be avoided if possible.
@Scottwood101 Last i saw they could use emulators and some homebrew but pirated Switch software wasnt a thing. It was stupidly easy to hack a Wii and Wii U both of mine are soft modded. That way i could store call my games off an external harddrive instead of swapping discs or SD cards. I imagine the goal is much the same.
Why can't the hackers just adopt some ethics about not hacking current production consoles. Old consoles? SNES, GCN, WiiU, hack away, mod it, nobody cares. But if you're going to hack at current production service model products, you're pretty much flipping off everyone who isn't part of your little club and making life harder for them. Both the average consumer, and the companies that make the products. This exposes them for who they really are rather than who they claim to be. They're not innocently providing access to the products you buy and allowing people to use them as they see fit. They could do that easily for out of production hardware that doesn't involve a constant battle with the manufacturer (and laws.) Everyone would get their backups and purchase security. But no, the hackers don't want to adopt ethics like that. Exposing they do it to enable piracy, cheating, to gain internet adulation in their e-peen measuring contest, and "just for the lulz"....self serving arrogance.
@Mogster There was literally an article here just yesterday on rampant Splatoon 2 cheating though.....
@Heavyarms55 "If you want to hack Breath or the Wild to run around as a naked Zelda with an AK-47, have fun bro. All the power to you."
At no point in my life had I ever considered doing this, until this post. Now I want to do this.
@gcunit As much as I wish I could hack my switch (I can't because of online), cheaters aren't such a big deal like many people make them out to be. There's no way around it; if you hack your Switch, say good-bye to online capabilities.
@LightBeam
“Well, piracy never killed any console”
It certainly didn’t do the Dreamcast, PSP or Amiga any good.
So how is the emulation scene on the Switch?
Asking for a friend.
@rjejr
Or my favorite:
"Hacking, the cancer of the industry!...in other news, you want to play as Linkle on Breath of the Wild, trek around Hyrule Field in Mario Odyssey, race as Goku in MK8? all this and more thanks to the wonders of Homebrew!"
@Froy2701
“just tired of the $60 games (I am in this group)”
So, a pirate then?
@electrolite77 And by way of the knee-jerk reaction to PSP, the Vita.
I'm not concerned. Must be a nightmare for Nintendo though. Seems like they'll never get off the treadmill when it comes to hackers. No wonder why Nintendo makes subliminal comments here and there about moving on from hardware.
@NEStalgia
Oh yeah. The proprietary Memory Cards were a reaction to the PSP situation weren’t they?
Plus then people wonder why game companies want streaming-only as the future. If the public is committed to breaking every product they give you any control over and making it hard for them, their solution will be simple: Give you absolutely no agency over your purchase and retain it all.
@electrolite77 Yep, both the sealed battery and the proprietary memory cards. We may take sealed batteries as standard now thanks to Apple, and Switch is Nintendo's first console with a "non-replaceable battery" but it's not actually sealed, it's easily accessed and replaced with a few screws, assuming batteries can be found (which won't be a problem for the Chinese battery firms since Switch is popular.) - but Vita was fully sealed because the battery terminals were the source of the hardware hack on PSP.)
A Switch pro/redux/deluxe/1.5/etc may just "have" to come out sooner or later to address many things, to put it lightly.
@Heavyarms55 fully agree, amazing that someone actually gave you a thump down to you for this reply.
NintendoLife and those who perform or like illegal activities are the only ones enjoying these articles.
@Drussa The thumbs down was probably because of the 'piracy is theft' fallacy...
Play pirated games + DLC and Mods. plus a bunch of emulators such as Retroarch. It also can use homebrews and alternative themes @Scottwood101
Hackers are the worst. They are the reason we can't just have nice things and enjoy life without worrying. Not really sure why they constantly have to do this. I guess it's just a never-ending means of compensating for their own genetic "short"comings.
@Sabroni Sure, same ñlkjhv, different name. What? Have you never pirate something before? Not even music?
@DarthFoxMcCloud Name 2 consoles that flopped due to hacking and/or piracy
@electrolite77 Sure, same thing, different name. What? Have you never pirate something before? Not even music?
@Froy2701
Not since I got a job
@electrolite77 Can you be more specific please ?
Its still not responsible for the fate of the Dreamcast or any other system that failed in the past
There's no evidence that piracy affects video games sales. Saying otherwise is lkjhgfdsdrftyuik. Actually some believe that it may even help (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/)
And yeah, I am sure it did gave a little help to the Wii U (some people still enjoy their Wii U just because you can hack it and do A LOT of stuff with it), and it also helped the NDS, the PSP, the Wii, and a lot of other consoles
I don't believe that we could prove otherwise, but I'm still opened to arguments proving that piracy is harming the industry really hard
@DarthFoxMcCloud Logical fallacy at its finest
Just adding another source which add some interesting details
Atm, nothing says that piracy is harming the industry, you can make complain about the whole "theft" thing and talk about moral and stuff, but don't mix things up.
@NEStalgia You really think that they want to do streaming only because of that ? Because it's not
Don't forget that if you don't want something, you don't buy. And if nobody buys, then it ceises to exist. Nobody want streaming only ? So why bother about something we may never seen being democratized
@Nico87 Most people assume its to get free games, or because they want to be known as the first to do it
@LightBeam
https://medium.com/straight-up-video-games/how-piracy-ruined-psp-990fe1c8c669
https://kotaku.com/sony-psp-piracy-levels-are-sickening-5221988
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/psps-biggest-problem-is-piracy-sony
https://www.vintageisthenewold.com/articles-2/piracy-vs-the-amiga/
https://kotaku.com/piracy-killed-the-dreamcast-piracy-saved-the-dreamcast-1629828642
https://gamerant.com/video-game-piracy-damage-opinion/
That EU Commission report is pretty flaky and the full report never actually revealed. I’ve never gone for the argument that it’s a 1:1 comparison and every pirated game is a lost sale. However one of the links I’ve put up uses the word ‘naive’ to describe those who don’t think it has a negative effect (personally I’d add self-serving’ to that). It may help sell hardware but it’s damaging to software sales, which is much more profitable.
The security flaw in the Nvidia chip has already been fixed. Every switch sold since June of 2018 cannot be hacked.
@LightBeam Did I say only? Did the word "exclusively" appear anywhere in that paragraph? No. But it is a major driving factor, yes.
Too bad Nintendo got smart and can permaban your system. I can't afford two Switches.
@NEStalgia I know you haven't, but you just talked about that and what I wanted to say is that it's a correlation, not a causality
@electrolite77 Alright so
Yeah, the study is not quite precise, and everyone know that, but we already can say that it's not harming the hardware sales.
Now about the sources you gave me, i'll talk briefly about them in order :
1 : Writen by a random photographer, not saying that his point is bad or whatever, but it's a blogpost, a "discussion" and so there's no proof of any kind
2 : Literally just Sony saying that piracy is bad. Nothing more. Everyone has done it before, and everyone told them that it's not because a lot of people pirate your games that you lost those actual sales.
3 : Same
4 : Same as 1st
5 : Same as 1st
6 : And that is the most interesting.
I had an example like that with Volgarr The Viking where, if I remember well back in the days, the game was pirated over 90% of the time, leaving little sales to the developer. Which is really sad, that's true. But it's because pirated games a way more common on PC than anywhere else (and also because a lot of people took advantage of the game being available on GoG), after a few releases on consoles, it became another story.
So I'll have to excuse, I have not been precise, I was talking about the console market, because on PC, it's something else and because of piracy being way more implemented, some independant games can be really hurt by that, that's true, and that is the case for The Witness.
So, imho, it's still not naive to believe that piracy is not hurting the market (talking about the consoles). For the PC, a lot of people don't hack independant games, I don't know personnally a single person who pirate independant games, and even if they do, they buy it when they can (and if they know they can't buy it, they don't pirate it)
I'm also wondering why nobody is asking about games on NDS, PS1, Wii, where a lot of games shouldn't have met success because of piracy ... I'm sure there's a lot of them (not trying to be sarcastic btw, just in case you were wondering)
@technotreegrass Yeah they can permaban so easily, so most of the people who hack their console just stay permanently offline, use DNS to try to avoid all Nintendo's connections, or just get banned sooner or latter. If you cheat online you are sure that you will get banned pretty quickly so I don't think it's that big of an issue if Nintendo is reacting very quickly to these problems
If Nintendo gave us what we wanted, then we wouldn’t hack the consile
@LightBeam
It think it’s hard to do a precise comparison between machines. The PS2, PS1, DS and Wii are the biggest sellers of all time. Maybe the effects of piracy weren’t as pronounced because the userbase was so big there was still enough users buying games. It’s impossible to know how many more copies even the most successful games would have sold without easy pirate copies being available.
On the other hand you have the PSP which has a historically low attach rate (3.88 games per system). Maybe that system was unlucky, maybe users bought it specifically because they could get free games. It’s hard to quantify. With every system that’s suffered because of piracy there are other factors at work.
Ultimately if you take a really conservative estimate and say that if each user who pirated 50 games would otherwise have bought 2, that’s still a lot of money missing from the industry and not a penny going to developers, publishers, retailers etc. If piracy becomes a serious problem you’ll see change like in the music industry or worse if there isn’t money to be made.
Full disclosure - I’ve pirated stuff in the past, I’m still loose on emulation and ROMs if it’s stuff that isn’t available to buy. But I didn’t attempt to justify it. I knew it was costing the people making these games/albums money. Now if I can’t afford something I don’t have it. Tough luck.
@Nico87 why cause some 8 year olds are hacking thier system and cheating in splatoon 2 i ran up against a team(reported them) that literally never ran out of ammo the whole match never once had to swim to fill up and it was not fun at all they are ruining that game little by little. i also wasnt to happy when they hacked mario odysey to put nude pics in it... i really hope nintendo starts banning consoles that would be better then just banning accounts...
@Scottwood101 They can do local save backups, menu themes, folders, NES through N64 emulation, web browsing, ... Basically, everything that Nintendo bafflingly won't do in its own software updates.
@CharlieSmile
Let’s be honest with ourselves. Once the red states get ahold of this technology, “Naked Black Muslim Emo Femboy Link Painted Toenails + AK-47” will far exceed “Naked Zelda + AK-47” in Pornhub search popularity. Probably like a thousand to one in North Carolina.
EDIT: I Googled it. Rule 34 wins again.
@LightBeam Yeah, the problem is I play a lot of Splatoon 2 and a second Switch that is permanently offline seems redundant and expensive. Congrats, Nintendo, you finally beat me, since I have a modded Wii, Wii U, and 3DS all online with no problems.
That "more hacked consoles could eventually find themselves being sold on to innocent buyers" made me laugh if you are purchasing a hacked console you are not an innocent buyer, that being said I have hacked my consoles in the past like everyone else, but this time Im going strong with all legit just buying what I can mentality, the problem with hacked consoles is that even if Ninty Bans them they always find a way to come back and disrupt online gameplay, instead of playing cat and mouse with hackers Nintendo Should make their online environment more secure.
@electrolite77 Yeah I understand your point of view. To be honest I thought that the PSP was more successful than it really was, mostly because I know a lot of people who had one (and yeah, I believe most of them cracked those, don't know if they were running pirated games but they were running emulators for sure)
You may be right about the PS1, DS etc ... To be honest, I can't see any other reason, hacking is not meant for everyone but it can sometimes help to promote, so on successful consoles it may have some benefits. On less successful devices it's way harder to tell, I guess it depends on the hackers way to do their stuff. What I mean by that is that a lot of people on forums do care about piracy and make sure that everything that involves piracy is deleted. There was some discussions about how the community can make sure that the hacking scene would not hurt the sales of the Switch.
Just to say that people have that in mind, they don't want to destroy all they touch. But humans are all different I guess so sometimes, they don't care as soon as they get free games ...
Just to talk about the PSP again, because now I think it's quite surprising, only 3.88 games per system ??? Because I believe that the DS hack is so easy. At least in my country, back in the days everyone knew about some cards that let you play some games that you won't need to buy, and when I mean everyone, I mean even someone like my own mom. So what are you saying about the PSP seems quite surprising to me (not saying that I don't believe you tho), if it didn't happened to the DS, I wonder why it did to the PSP. Maybe because most of them also owned a DS ? The lack of mainstream games on PSP but not on the DS ? I can see that as one of the reasons, but like you said, it's hard to quantify and there's also a lot of factors ...
Anyway, just wanted to say that I believe that a lot of people on the hacking scene nowadays try to be more "responsible" about this kind of stuff. Well, not counting the guys who made online cheating possible (fk those guys), but you got my point.
@robr you had my curiosity… but now you have my attention.
Wake me up when they add directories.
My Switch games and demos library looks like a hot mess where it takes forever to find anything and impossible to separate demos from full games.
Hello, Nintendo?
Are we going to join this century sometime?
@Drussa Naw, no surprise there. Some people take a very hardline stance and consider any modification of a console to be illegal. Other people are just the opposite and think you should be able to do anything with a device, since you bought it.
@CharlieSmile Sorry about that. XD
@JohnnyC
Yes the PS1 was very much hacked but the whole piracy debate is so complex and difficult. For example, it is also said that the PlayStation brand only became this powerful and popular precisely because the pirated games made it a really widespread gaming console (it was very new to the gaming scene while SEGA and Nintendo were king).
Another argument is people being tired of getting deceived into legitimately buying games that turn out to be a huge disappointment. Even after seeing reviews and trailers. So these people play the games for themselves and buy them after they are sure.
Yeah I know that leechers and cheaters and people with bad intention use the same "excuses" do just do wrong stuff. But then, that is not the case with hacking/piracy only. Ill-intentioned people abuse law systems to make profit and so on.
So unfortunately, it is really really really difficult to come to any conclusion about hacking / "piracy" etc.
@gamekill Piracy is stealing. Simple as that. There's lots of different reasons why people steal, but it's still stealing. Having being involved in gaming since the early 90s, I've never seen it any differently and don't expect I ever will.
Well it's no surprise the way you guys glorify hacking and modding all the time you encourage this kind of behavior.
It doesn't seem possible for Nintendo to prevent unauthorized game distribution and emulation without breaking backward compatibility with millions of existing Switch consoles.
So far that doesn't seem to have destroyed the market for Switch consoles or games, nor has online gaming been destroyed by cheaters.
Moreover, jailbreaking hasn't destroyed gaming on iOS or Android, and PCs are jailbroken by design but still have a robust local and online game ecosystem. In fact it's kind of a golden era for PC gaming.
It's not any worse, it's exactly as bad as it's always been. Unpatched Switches, which is every switch made before June of 2018, are all vulnerable to the same exploit and there is nothing Nintendo can do about that, other than to block those Switches from their official network. Given the general public's feelings towards NSO, Nintendo is stuck waving a rather short stick.
Nintendo has found themselves in the peculiar situation where they make spectacular games that everyone wants, they can't be secured.They can secure their services, but noone really cares about that because NSO is terrible and there are free alternatives (and maybe even a paid ones in the future).
But yes, Nintendo has completely lost the security game this time around, and the cancellation of internal revision projects, such as Mariko, indicates to me that they have acknowledged this defeat. But as long as Nintendo continues to to produce and host excellent and unique games, their defeats on the security front will be left irrelevant.
@Balta666 The Switch hardware was revised around June '18 and no major exploits for that revision have been made public, and they won't be made public until Nintendo releases another hardware revision that fixes those exploits or someone leaks the details of the exploit. Whether those exploits even exist or not is only truly know by a handful of individuals.
@kuromantic
I don't think Switch should be like them slow and unsecure android devices
@JohnnyC
I did not say it was not stealing.
If you simply say "piracy is stealing, simple as that", you are talking about an isolated fact and yes I agree, piracy is stealing.
What I was talking about is the whole situation going on around it. THAT is really complex. The consequences, the concepts, the different solutions and interests involved. From all sides.
As long as the hacking is only for personal use I am ok with it. But I doubt this is the case.
Also some people like the challenge. Many of those hacker end up getting a nice job IN the companies they hacked
@kuromantic
I dont see any use för varius apps in an dedicated gaming console. Nintendo should focus on games rather than an complex interface. Just keep it fast and simple, thats the way to go.
Yes, it would make security and warrenty concerns for Nintendo as well as for end users. And Nintendos business is making money w/ licensing, so it would hurt their ekonomy with an open platform.
I think it's silly to put cheating and piracy on the same plane. Cheating to me is worse than piracy because then you're ruining the experience for others. The only time I'd say piracy is debatable to be worse is if it's for an indie game you have no intentions of buying. 1st, 2nd or 3rd party games to me are all on the grey area unless if it's a game series that needs all the sales it can get to keep going.
@CharlieSmile
This how I add numbers to my cult harem. Kindly turn over the deed to your house, your car and your bank account.
@Scottwood101
A lot.
I use it and i know that i have the risk of getting banned but it's worth it just because playing online costs money. You can get all games for free and a lot more, like emulating games so you can play for example play Gameboy Advanced games on your switch you can get themes instead of a white or black background, but it's just way to much those were some of the things you can do
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