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Iwata: We Don't Want To Emulate Xbox Live and PSN

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Nintendo president also sorry for 1GB day-one update

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has stated in an interview with IGN that his company is not attempting to play catch-up with rivals Microsoft and Sony when it comes to online services.

With the recent launch of the Wii U and the establishment of Miiverse, Nintendo has recieved a few critical comments regarding features missing from the online side of its user experience. The Wii U currently has no achievements system, and it's not possible to use a single account to sign into multiple consoles, effectively locking user accounts to a single console.

Iwata said:

We have not thought that offering the same features that already exist within other online communities would be the best proposal for very experienced game players.

Nintendo has paid a great deal of attention to the dynamic of people playing video games together in the same room. With Wii U, we thought about expanding this concept into separate rooms which are connected online. Miiverse is a network community dedicated to video games that represents a very unique game-dedicated social graph that has never existed before.

Nintendo's president also apologised for the troublesome 1GB day-one update which users were forced to download as soon as they switched on their shiny new systems:

Personally I think that users should be able to use all the functions of a console video game machine as soon as they open the box. So I feel very sorry for the fact that purchasers of Wii U have to experience a network update which takes such a long time, and that there are the services which were not available at the hardware's launch.

[via eurogamer.net, uk.ign.com]

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User Comments (49)

Daz-brum

#1

Daz-brum said:

Right on Nintendo do your own thing, but please listen to what your customers are saying...

Chunky_Droid

#2

Chunky_Droid said:

Though I'm more than happy without achievements, Nintendo really need to think that sometimes it's good to have something that's the same as an already existing console service.

From what I hear, though, sounds like they're doing a good job on the eShop, I'll find out in just over 3 hours!

hiptanaka

#3

hiptanaka said:

It's such a bold move by Nintendo not to include achievements, but I like that. It's almost like a statement that if the fun of the game isn't enough incentive to play it, achievements won't work as a substitute. They're a great addition in some games, and when put a lot of thought into, but the way they look on Xbox is often horrible (kill 10,000 enemies, etc) because everyone is forced to add them. The way Miiverse works, maybe achievements could be added on a per game basis?

Punky

#4

Punky said:

From what I understand achievements are in games if developers put them in.....just no overall gamer score. I don't think that is a big loss.
And after seeing user videos of the miiverse in action I think this is the feature the next Xbox and PS will be looking at most.

SuperCharlie78

#6

SuperCharlie78 said:

I don't atcually bother for the lack of an achievements system, I can still post my high score or 100% Metroid completion screen on Miiverse.
But Nintendo did it again, locking the account to the console, I've been struggling for years with this issue and pretty soon stopped downloading Wii Shop content when I realized that I was renting it, not purchasing.
Same with 3DS, this is more than disappointing.
What's wrong with Nintendo when it's time to offer the basic services every other company offers?
Everybody wants to manage their account as they prefer, possibly from a pc, and not staying worried for the console to get broken and lose everything, just like Xbox Live and PSN not to mention Steam we should be able to download a game on how many systems we'd like to. On Xbox Live for example, if you log in to another console you can download a game you own, but to play it you must be logged in with your gamertag and plus you must be online. You are allowed to play that game in offline mode only on the system you registered on their website.
Nintendolife should talk about this every single week to remind Nintendo that we can't accept this anymore.

19Robb92

#9

19Robb92 said:

The update is free, ads loads of free content and you can download it in the background while playing games on the system. Doesn't seem as annoying as most people make it out to be. :)

And I'm glad they're doing something of their own. Miiverse looks really cool.

Rawk_Hawk

#11

Rawk_Hawk said:

I hope Nintendo does not try to emulate the redesigned PSN store. Its slow clunky and hard to find older titles.

DarkNinja9

#12

DarkNinja9 said:

well they dont have to add the gamer score just the achievement themselves <.< how hard is that but i doubt many dev. would add there own in game stuff =S

XCWarrior

#13

XCWarrior said:

I don't care about the gamer score, but I do want the ability to go over to a friend's house and be able to bring my Mii with me so I don't have to use the "guest" Miis.

Zombie_Barioth

#14

Zombie_Barioth said:

I really hope the reason the accounts are tied to the console isn't because they view having an account based system as copying.

I don't care about being able to log into another console with my account, just loosing digital purchases because my console broke.

Tsuchiya

#15

Tsuchiya said:

It would've been nice if they'd looked towards Microsoft more.
You cannot beat Xbox Live. It's an incredible service

WanderingPB

#16

WanderingPB said:

@Daz-brum i completely agree as long as Nintendo listens to what their customers are saying i believe their going to be on a road to success. And as far as copying Sony and Microsoft…im glad Nintendo is doing their own thing its risky but will also offer a different experience from the others. Because honestly if everyone just kept copying each other the industry would be boring and video game consoles would follow the path of the dinosaurs from long ago and become extinct

Haxonberik

#17

Haxonberik said:

Achievements have felt cheap to me in most games, so I really dont care that theyre not there, theyre a pain for the old fashioned completitionist.

TruenoGT

#19

TruenoGT said:

Sounds good to me. Recent Xbox updates have pushed more ads and less emphasis on gaming and PSN's not so subtle "store on every menu choice" is also off-putting. I don't want to feel like I'm walking into a store greeted by sales people every time I turn the system on or do any function. So far, I think Wii U is striking the right balance because MiiVerse subtly shows popular games based on the community, not a weekly marketing plan (unless you're in the eShop where it's appropriate).

As far as access to purchased content across systems, logins, etc, don't forget how tied you are to PSN/Live services to play the games. No Live access? No dice. Contrast that with the Wii, where yes it's intrinsically linked to the system, but no network access whatsoever is needed to play the games. Assuming the system still worked (just like if a DVD or cartridge worked), I could play downloaded games on the Wii 50 years from now. I treat my Wii like a big cartridge that holds all my games. If I want to play WiiWare, VC games else where, I just bring the (very small) console to a friend's house and hook up to their cables. In my opinion, it's a hell of a lot easier than logging in and re-downloading stuff for an hour.

rjejr

#20

rjejr said:

Does the Wii U have similar record keeping to the Wii or daily log of the 3DS? I check those numbers (times played, hours played, etc.) a lot more than I check my trophy count on my PS3 (hopefully the PS4 will add this). If Nintendo makes those numbers available to everyone via Miiverse I think that is much more useful information than arbitrary trophy counts.

MattL

#22

MattL said:

@rjejr - That's the only thing I really wanted too, achievements are not something I am particularly bothered about. The only reward I truly want from a game is to enjoy every second of it, have great fun and, after completing it, feel self-satisfaction at having done so. But I do like to check hours played, the Wii has made me hooked on that feature. Shows me what I'm getting out of a game for my money. So I'm pleased it is included on The Wii U.

Kirk

#23

Kirk said:

Rather than saying you don't like having day one updates I think it would have been better to get the launch of the machine sorted in the first place so people didn't have to do this, Iwata. That would have made more sense to me than doing it anyway and apologizing after the fact.

Also, in regards to the whole "emulating Xbox Live and PSN comment", I think you need to stop doing stuff at the expense of other stuff that most people actually do want, and instead do it in addition to those things. I think that would have been more appreciated overall in this case.

jer18

#24

jer18 said:

Awww what! No achievement for inserting a game disc into my console.. (handful of PSN games xD)

ultraraichu

#25

ultraraichu said:

That's Nintendo for you, being the Dr. Pepper amongst the Coke and Pepsi.

@rjejr I was think the same thing. Knowing how often and recent someone plays a game seem alot more useful then someone showing off their "complete game on hard" achievement. Shows their interest in that particular game.

GameLord08

#26

GameLord08 said:

Nintendo shouldn't be aiming to "emulate" (read: copy) Xbox Live or PSN either way - that'd lead to the most abysmal failure for them. They should be aiming to create their own original service that can still be regarded as competitive towards Xbox Live and PSN, and still integrates and improves upon the standard requirements of an online gaming network (i.e. online play, digital purchases, account management etc.)

From what I've seen so far, I'd say they're doing an outstanding job for a start. I just hope Nintendo are starting as they mean to go on.

AVahne

#27

AVahne said:

I'm glad Nintendo wants to do their own thing, but stop tying our accounts and purchases to a single system already! Nintendo doesn't inspire any confidence and piece-of-mind whatsoever for if things go wrong in life. Makes their digital strategy a joke if they can't provide that. My Wii and DSi were stolen last year. Now we can buy retail games digitally, but what's the point if our purchases aren't even protected. Might as well get physical retail.

Ryno

#30

Ryno said:

If I wanted Live I would get an Xbox 360, if I want PSN i will use my PS3. For something different I have my Wii U and that is totally fine with me.

I didn't really mind the update, I have other things I can do in my life for an hour.

Sam_Loser2

#31

Sam_Loser2 said:

I want to be able to sign in on another console, for security reasons, before buying stuff on the eshop. Other than that I'm fine without anything else.

Hokori

#32

Hokori said:

I want the WiiU eShop to be like the 3DSes to me the WiiU shop is a downtrend to the 3DSes :(

Ren

#33

Ren said:

being different does not mean ignoring functions that are practical and useful for regular use (I don't mean achievements). There's a reason people don't go out wearing no-pants regularly, it just works better that way; it's not about being 'different' or 'creative'. Thats a cute way to not accept criticism and ignore what consumers want.

SCAR392

#34

SCAR392 said:

Well, I do agree on the launch update just being part of the console at launch, but they probably also didn't want it to clutter the menu if you can't use it because of lacking internet, which would make sense. I don't know what the menu would have looked like without the update, but my guess is greyed out instead of just absent. I also think there should be an account system too, at least between 3DS and Wii U eShop. VC needs to have it's own place in eShop too, but if they plan on moving GCN games to the eShop, they'll probably move all the content over to one place in one go. It would be hard to update the eShop with all the games they've put on VC and WiiWare all at once, but even having a seperate store within the eShop having the Wii Shop would probably be good for all older games you can only get on Wii anyway.

In all honesty, I think Xbox Live is OK, being pretty much the same as PSN, but having just as many problems, if not more when it comes to 'hardcore' people quiting, just to save their record, then the whole match is lost sometimes... I've had better times with PSN, due to the fact, that PS3 is faster, I can have my account on 2 consoles at once, trophy syncing so I don't have to be online constantly to register 'achievements', features just being cut out completely if I don't have internet, more exclusives on the shop, and it's free.

Hokori

#36

Hokori said:

@Ren Cute is good though :P :P :P plus isnt Sony and Microsoft technically ignoring Nintendo fans who say they don't want to pay for online or have achievements of you know have lack of realism in there games? Just a thought Nintendo isn't the only ones "not hearing us"

shinpichu

#37

shinpichu said:

Just because you don't want to copy XBLA/PSN doesn't mean you can't learn from them. Hopefully, Nintendo will let oyu tie your account to more than one system, and let you buy and transfer games via PCs.

shingi_70

#39

shingi_70 said:

Eh I wish theywould have system wide achievements seeing as devs have to make them for other platforms anyway.

Also to the poster who complained about ads. Most of them are content that can be used or bought on the xbox.

Moshugan

#40

Moshugan said:

Apology received and accepted Mr. Iwata! :)
System update downloading as we speak...

sinalefa

#42

sinalefa said:

@rjejr @SuperCharlie78

Thanks for asking that question and thanks for answering it. I do love that feature as well. I just hope you don't need to go online to check it. I prefer how it is easily accessible in the 3DS.

I am not one to play online, but I hope the Wii U has a robust infrastructure for the people who enjoy that. I also hope that launch day update will be included with future Wii U.

Iggy

#43

Iggy said:

Not a deal breaker but it would be nice to have. Some games do it good others don't. But when they do it good they add replay value and make you do things you may have not done otherwise. Also some games think of some funny achievement names that are good for a few laughs.

Like many others I also don't want my account to be tied to one console. Nobody plans for the stuff to get stolen or accidentally break.

krunchykhaos

#45

krunchykhaos said:

Xbox live is a terrible service. I'm not paying to pay online. PSN Plus however is actually worth it.

SCAR392

#46

SCAR392 said:

Ya. Xbox Live sucks. You can't even play unless you have internet pretty much, with no achievement syning like PSN, it's not free and paying for your internet service at all should be enough, host quiters all the time that want to save their rank/record/life, and ads. PSN is free, online trophy sync so you can play offline and have them count if that matters to you, 2 consoles can have your full account, PS Plus which is voluntary for literally $100s of dollars worth of free games that you have more than enough time to complete, and discounts. I bought games at discount within the first 3 months of having PS Plus that already saved me as much as it costs, besides all the free games you can get. Xbox Live is nothing compared to PSN, by all fronts to me as fact. As for Nintendo: I don't care much for accomplishments in their games because I agree with playing the game being enough, DLC is on the way, shared accounts is on the way(99% sure at this point), just as good of servers as other online consoles, Miiverse, eShop with 10% back(Deluxe owners). I agree Nintendo is behind on things from the past 6 years since Xbox 360 came out, but they're also AHEAD by over 20 in the industry as a whole. That's why I don't understand why people are so harsh on Nintendo. They tried online with GCN in America, and no one supported it over Xbox Live which wasn't free. Famicom was online in Japan, so I have no clue what people are talking about with Nintendo being behind. The difference was appeal to Americans and features included as standards somewhere else...

kdognumba1

#48

kdognumba1 said:

While I agree with him that consoles should separate themselves and have their own unique services, the fact of the matter is NOTHING he or anybody can say, will justify locking your user account to 1 single console. This in no way will benefit the gamer and the gaming experience.

Next on the note of Miiverse, while it is indeed different then XBL and PSN, it IS NOT new and original. It's very similar to what Steam is and has been offering for a while now. Not that that is a bad thing, but don't pretend it is something that it in fact is not.

Henmii

#49

Henmii said:

"Nintendo president also sorry for 1GB day-one update"

Luckily this isn't as extreme as the 5GB some people said, though it's still dumb!

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