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I'm really proud of them for doing this. I want to kind of watch everything to get caught up (I stopped watching around Hoenn I think so I know that's a lot), but what an end-of-an-era moment.

We did it boiz

@johnvboy Hi I think most of your points are fine, but your idea that the only people vocally complaining are the ones who have a problem with the technical issues is one I would want to explore a little. Everyone who is giving negative feedback presumably also bought the game, so the latter doesn't wash away the issue. I mention this because you repeatedly mentioned something akin to "people who buy the game, but are quiet don't seem to care or notice these issues."

I work with learning analytics and if we get 10 people complaining about something being jarring, we can't start from the assumption that only those 10 people have the problem. People have plenty of motivators as to why they do or don't come raise their issues or complains. You would have to demonstrate why those people who aren't complaining also happen to not have an issue, which to be fair to you is impossible without some kind of mass survey sent out to purchasers as a starting point. And also to be fair, I wouldn't be able to say how many people of those people also have issues without their input, but you very much clearly want those with issues to be "niche" or in the minority and we don't have enough information to be operating under that assumption, again noting that Sales does not equal Satisfaction.

I don't understand what's making the performance so choppy. I'm still in the tutorial and I've seen my character briefly freeze and sprint to catch the first mon. I'm on Violet if that helps narrow down why it seems why some people aren't being affected.

The game looks okay, but I can't hide my disappointment always thinking "maybe THIS one will feel current gen."

Even if it thankfully doesn't come across as hollow as Sword and Shield, I can't believe we're still not likely to see character voice acting in a 2022 release title, based on the trailer narrator.

I keep thinking maybe there could have been a pivot to a heavily stylized art direction (like Bravely Default) and then honestly most of the polishing complaints might not have mattered as much, but I think the 3D graphics combined with Pokémon accepted tropes of limited animations given to characters (especially the trainers, they just look like dolls to me at this point) makes it ironically less immersive the more advanced the generations get.

AHHHH. XBC The Definitive Edition is one of the only games I've ever bought Day 1 because of how amazing XBC 2 and Torna were. This will likely follow that entry, and hopefully it performing well gets XBCX ported over.

It's really telling how much we feel the need to say "this looks iffy sometimes , BUT the gameplay is great and we support the franchise" to avoid coming across as strictly hating. The franchise can withstand the commentary on its graphics coming up short.

What I really don't understand is the all or nothing approach where "Is this game good? Then stop complaining, it's selling well." We don't tend to approach movie, book, or art critiques in this way, and we've also argued that videogames share the same merits as these other forms of culture/media.

@Munchlax Thank you for saying this. There's this weird binary switch with Pokemon criticism that only lets a view of feedback in shades of black and white (or red and blue amirite). It looks like it's going to be fun, but it does literally look like the graphics could be better, as we've seen the Switch push well beyond what's been presented here.

@NinjaGuy69 Can you let us know how the review differs from your experience?

Breathe that life back into my lovely Pokemon franchise yesss. I haven't turned on my Switch in quite a while, but looks like that's changing this weekend

@MajorTom That mindset is really weird to me too. Imagine calling Call of Duty formulaic and a cash-grab, and the counter being "but it SELLS well, haters."

Tatsunoko vs. Capcom <3

Looking forward to my cadre of commenters that'll be like "Rockstar CAVES to unhinged internet mob" and how there were no technical issues to apologize for. Where y'all at.

If it's youtube dislikes, it's a WAVE of a vocal minority. If it's comments, we're anti-Nintendo. When the reviewers write a 6/10 (which isn't even horrible), they have caved to the haters.

Just say you don't like criticism. You can just own it instead of finding ways to invalidate why something seems to not resonate with an audience. Maybe we just value consumer input differently.

And if you like the recent offerings from Pokemon on the switch or (with this one in particular) their art style, that's awesome. I wish I could, too, because this franchise has so much potential. I have a living Dex out of how much time I've invested in this series, and am looking forward to hearing good things from Legends. fingers mad crossed

@Rpg-lover I think you're being sarcastic and it was just very dryly delivered/sounds exactly like everyone else who thinks extracting joy from a game means criticism is invalid.

Or at least I hope, please clarify lol.

I hope Nintendo's stock raises as a result. I'm hurting.

"This ain't it chief"

I just want to say I love how this was written because it acknowledges missteps, but still personally they resonate with what's being offered. That's so different and understandable as opposed to those on previous threads dismissing criticism as "them online kids, they just hate Nintendo" and then going on to compare the service to the cost of some unrelated consumer favorite, usually coffee, as though that's how value works.

I really want this to be the end of the discourse over the past week or so, but if you enjoy the subscription, great for you.

More SMT love!

I'm not super interested or preparing yet, but I can see digging in sometime over the holidays for sure.

@Rosalinho 100%. They basically said "this looks exciting, we're trying to get in on the know-how and you should be excited too - please buy and hold our stock."

@johnvboy
Someone tried asking you before, but why is it far too early to write off, but not too early to defend?

@AugustusOxy Your caricatured world where people saying "this seems really expensive so Nintendo must be fascist" doesn't exist.

Also you forgot to mention other social harm/issue in your brief post, so I can safely assume you don't care about social harm/issue, guess mainstream media was right.

This thread taught me nothing can be seen as a ripoff as long as we break down its cost to annual coffee consumption.

@Trikeboy I don't understand the implication. It's been mentioned a few times on this thread, but is the line of thinking that all the other Switch owners don't care//would purchase the pass because they haven't explicitly expressed displeasure?

I realize this isn't an actual research-gathering poll, but it seems like you'd be able to discount anything with this line of thinking, even if the "sample size" is pretty high.

@AugustusOxy

Streaming services don't depend on sitcoms/dramas from the late 90s and early 2000s. A huge supposed draw of this expansion is nostalgia, unlike the staying relevant with pop culture and theatrical releases.

That also goes directly against what some have mentioned, where the occasional modern switch release would probably justify the price because, contrary to what your post would imply, the vast majority of comments are railing against cost vs. goods provided, not the nature of digital subscription.

It's not as dramatic as a species being doomed, a lot of people just feel it's too pricey lol.

My man Waluigi is being taken seriously :')

@Tontus314

That's a really strange answer because it implies nothing can be ripoff as long as the choice to not buy the product exists (and I don't think anyone reasonable believes that).

Like, I can personally not buy $1,000 sneakers and still would assume a great deal of people would agree it's a ripoff. In fact, someone buying the sneakers could think that, but feel compelled to purchase it for a variety of reasons.

This would make me so happy. Being way more indoors over the past year for obvious reasons had led to my partner and I bonding over BL 2, putting hundreds of hours into max leveling UVHM and only needing to farm raid bosses basically at this point (the OP system doesn't interest me too much). A day one purchase to keep us occupied for another year please

Awesome fake trailer!

I also want to point out there is a large portion of fans who don't hate the chibi art-style as much as believe that the production value looks incredibly lacking in the official trailer shown.

You can stay true to the core game, which I think is even necessary for any remake, while still promoting some kind of visual fidelity that won't prompt a backlash. Honestly, that's the most disappointing part; you already are limited in this linear top down view and this is no open world feat, so everything we can actually see and interact with should look amazing.

I just want an MMO to play on switch

I think regardless of how you feel about the art-direction, there is something to the quality in animation or just graphical depth that is always lacking (until seemingly Pokemon Legends: Arceus) that is the core cause of criticism. Battles still look like something that can be managed on my phone, and for it be charged the likely full price is insulting to developers who push for innovation and quality instead of a call to nostalgia.

I'm genuinely excited to play these because I hear nothing but great things about Gen IV, but there are plenty of merits to the art-style doing a disservice to it; not so much because it's so egregious, but it lends to yet another game that looks like it could've run on consoles a generation ago.

Compare this to the handheld port to console cousin, Link's Awakening, and even with some gamers disliking the art-style, the production value between these two ports seem miles apart and it doesn't make sense to me.

Good. Like many are saying, I dropped money on Pokemon because of how attached I am to the series, but the quality of Animal Crossing is just leagues ahead of it. There is just so much attention to detail it. Granted, maybe it's not fair because they were/are allowed to push-back and delay their launch, but even comparing Pokemon's stiff animations and still environments to just how alive my island feels is night and day.

@Zuljaras Most entertainment does have a political viewpoint or argument, intentional in design or unintentional in creator bias. It's admittedly much more subtle than your bombastic quoted examples, but just because you can't pick up on it or choose to ignore it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

For your specific questions, you're right, Nintendo typically shies away from this in their very basic stories of good vs. evil, but even the inclusion of gender-fluid characters throughout their series like Zelda and Pokemon is a promotion of normalizing LGBT+, which is simultaneously great/still a political position. (https://medium.com/@devonprice/these-nintendo-characters-are-canonically-transgender-or-nonbinary-516f27317106)

User-created content in these same games is always going to be more-in-your-face about it because of limited tools/skills in the design, but you can, as you suggest, just ignore it.

Instead, outright blaming the protesters instead of what they're protesting being powerful enough to implement such drastic measures, comes across as boot-licking and defeatist.

Those villainizing the players instead of the Chinese government are complaining about keeping politics out of video-games while living comfortably away from authoritarian threat.

These every day folk, like many of us, have virtually no platform, so they have to make one when and where possible. If one person who was uninformed about the topic looked into it because of something as harmless as seeing their custom designs on Animal Crossing, then kudos to them.