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The game is good. I'm not going to deny that. But it's missing that new thing. Just like how Salmon Run was introduced in Splatoon 2. I think I'm going to wait a bit until more updates come in and try to reduce my backlog instead.

@michellelynn0976 "moving the goalposts"? What are you saying? You accused people that complained about the graphics of Pokemon to be "Junior Squad Digital Foundry" when Digital Foundry itself said the graphics were not good.

Just stop with the strawmans and just admit you just enjoy Pokemon for what it is. Again, you don't need to complain about how angry imaginary people are to say that you enjoyed a trailer. I did enjoyed this trailer and I'm one of those people that DID NOT like SWSH (and made it clear too).

@Giowo That's actually quite interesting. I wonder if that's the case without limitations as a way to grind or something.

@michellelynn0976 Hey... Did you know Digital Foundry thought SWSH was not impressive graphically? They didn't have high praise with Arceus either. Like, don't try to deny now and say those games were graphically impressive or something and everyone was just overreacting. Also, you can enjoy something without having to *** at the people that don't.

That being said, the trailer looks definetly interesting. Not without problems tho... The evil team looks like it would be pointless again and I'm not a fan of the design of the new Pokemon shown those far (to be fair to SWSH, I think the design of their Pokemon was quite good). But again, interested to see more.

@Not_Soos GameFreak are not one of their best devs. There is a reason why Pokemon games are quite behind in the technical aspect (and arguebly other aspects too).

Aside from that you are right tho. This article is just pointless tabloid-level drama.

@Noxide oh boy here we go...

@Marxally Honestly? I'm surprised Ubisoft is still there. Sure, EA has recently lost the FIFA name, which is like 80% of what they have. But Ubisoft has cancelled so many games, lost so many people and even their execs don't seem enthusiastic about continuing leading the company. But they are still there somehow.

Something that actually entices me. Every trailer until now just screams Splatoon 2+ to me. I want new modes, story details, a single player that feels different to the main story of the previous two games...

Honestly? Ubisoft seem to be just... lumping along with no direction. I wouln't be surprised if the family that are the biggest owners of Ubisoft just sell out and leave to avoid having to face the reality that they f*** up in a lot of ways in the recent years.

@BTB20 Like I said, those games sales are fine. But those were not even the best selling games in their franchises.

With Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, it reverses the downward trend of sales since Explorers of Sky and with WarioWare GiT it sold arround the same the other games despite having a higher price point but neither of those games sold AMAZING, you know?
Nothing that says Nintendo that they HAVE TO do another game. Specially on a consistent basis. Hence why those games come very infrequent nowadays.
Believe me, I wish we got another Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. I really wish...

@Tandy255 My main issue is that it felt that right after the DLC started to roll it ended. How many courses they added? Two? I follow videogame news daily and I didn't even know about the content they added.

I still want to buy this game. Lots of other games to finish (+scarcity with Kirby for months after release with the physical version in Europe). And right now I have Xeno3 and LiveALive to finish so... yeah. But this very year I want to buy it, it looks quite fun!

@BTB20 As of March 31 2020, the Pokemon Mistery Dungeon remake sold 1.26 million copies. As of: December 31st 2020 the game sold 1,6;M units.

Explorers of Time+Darkness sold 4.88 million (Explorers of Sky 1.49 million).
I don't know where you found that information about Pokemon Mistery Dungeon Remake, I would be happy to know that I'm wrong tho so... Show me where, please.

WarioWare GiT sold 1.27 million copies worldwide (last official numbers). WarioWare Smooth Moves sold 1.82 million copies. In this case numbers are close and GiT could have surpassed Smooth Moves with the unreported numbers, I give you that.

@IronMan30 To add to this argument, people should also stop assuming that this model is bad by default.
Sure, it was pretty bad in Mario Golf Super Rush (honeslty, probably it's worse implementation. It was released barebones and it stopped being supported really quickly) but I think it's better implemented on games like Splatoon or even Mario Tennis Aces (yes, I think that game did it ok).

@Yosher About the Cristal Chronicles game that seems more like pure incompetence. Like, why does that game have no local coop when it was a local coop game originally? Why is the online so poorly implemented that they even removed features from the original game because they apperantly couldn't implement them all these years later? UGH.

The Chocobo game seems like both things: greed and incompetence. The fact that of all the games, this one got MTX is just so scummy. A kid focused FF spin-off game that is not F2P and is on the same platform than MK was deemed a good place to put MTX.

@Bunkerneath 2 of these three games are published by Nintendo themselves. Or you don't count something as a "Nintendo" game unless is made by their internal devs?

@Joker1234 And even then, Fire Emblem Awakening was the last chance of the series at the time to come back. The fact that it actually sold is what made the series successful.
Again, for every success you point out, I can say multiple that didn't do too well or even failed.

Smaller niche games that Nintendo publishes don't usually do that well. Even being subseries of popular franchises. Remember how they did Wario Ware on Switch? Or how on 3DS we got a new Rhythm Heaven game alongside a physical game of Dillon (the armadillo guy)? Remember Sushi Striker the Way of Sushido? Or the remakes of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon? (ugh... why people didn't bought more this one?)
2of this games sold ok, another sold ""ok"" and the other two were definetive flops.

Don't get me wrong, arround 1 million is a good number for these games and some get those numbers. But those are not numbers that tell to Nintendo to make those games consistently. Hence those are treated like experiments and/or just to fill calendar slots between big releases.

Like I said, there is a lot of people that scream how much FZero deserves a come back but that doesn't mean that it would sell and that is the big reason why it hasn't come back.

Sorry for all of this rambling... It's just that it angers me a little to see people clamering for a series to come back only to do poorly and then question why Nintendo "only focuseses on the same franchises" while ignoring those games were even released.

@Yosher Exact same thing happened with the Cristal Chronicles remake. In that case they made the multiplayer of a multiplayer focused game tedious...
I don't get why SquareEnix seems to fail so much recently with Final Fantasy spin-offs. Even with those that should have been easy to do.

@GrailUK Why are selling something that is for ultra fans of Xenoblade 3 not at launch?
I guess that is an issue related to the release date of the game being earlier than expected.

@GrailUK ...BTW, what happened with the Xenoblade 3 special edition in Europe?

@Bunkerneath I guess Pokemon, Bayonnetta, Mario+Rabbits and Splatoon don't count?

@Joker1234 Because new stuff and also bringing old IPs is quite risky and doesn't always work.
Sure, you can point to Splatoon. But I can also point out Codename Steam.

Like, I'm one of those people that thinks that, if Nintendo made a new FZero game, it would sell like 500k lifetime at most and people would only notice it years later when it gets the "hidden gem" status while selling poorly at the time... Oh hey, just like FZero GX.

I don't get people saying that there apperantly aren't many Nintendo releases for this year? Like, we still have Splatoon 3, Bayonetta 3 (finally), the new Pokemon generation, Mario+Rabbits 2 and Advance Wars would probably also sneak in.
Where do you fit more games this year?

Also, this year we got another big Pokemon game in January, a 3D Kirby game in March, Xenoblade 3 like a week ago alongside smaller games like Switch Sports and Mario Strikers.
Like, I don't think this year is weak at all.

Let's see if it surpasses Xenoblade 2 lifetime sales soon. Happy to see this franchise grow little by little.

Almost 5 million for Switch Sports... Huh.

It's still baffling how they ruined this game... It could have been a good Mario Kart clone but no.... It had to have MTX.

@Jhena Oh my... I haven't even thought about that interpretation of Dexit.
Yes, (the article and) I was refeering to the cut of Pokemon since SWSH, not about Germany leaving the EU.

@theshirecat OOOHH. I like that. As many Charizard forms as Pokemon in gen 1. That's two layers of gen 1 references.
Don't forget to ignore the other two Kanto starters tho, since those are not important compared to CHARIZARD.

@theshirecat Oh? What are you saying? That you want more CHARIZARD FORMS!?

@IronMan30 Great answer there!

@Jhena My guess is because "Dexit" was and is a thing with Pokemon now.

@spottedleaf Unfortunately, I doubt either BDSP or Arceus recieve any updates.
And (also) unfortunatelly, I think the possibilities of another Mystery Dungeon Pokemon game are slim. The remake on Switch sold ok but nothing mindblowing. And believe me, I want to be wrong about this one.

@IronMan30 What? You didn't need to announce what you think other people that you don't know will say after the news either.

I just don't get it at this point.... "wow! look at all these people saying that they don't like Pokemon and critizing the games! How funny!". All of this because of what? The critism SWSH recieved almost three years ago and the need you feel to "get back at them for that"? Is that it?

@Axecon I WISH we get a Pokemon Mystery Dungeon anything. Even a remake of Explorers of Sky would be amazing at this point.

@AlexanderDaniels Seeing how poor BDSP were... I prefer they just left those games alone or do a Pokemon Arceus style side game with gen 2.

@IronMan30 Honestly? People complaining about people complaining about Pokemon are getting annoying at this point.
They are done with Pokemon? Ok... What's the problem with that?

@GoldenSunRM I remember when they even tried to defend that and admitted that it was actually done on purpose. I wish YouTube had an actual block button at this point instead of just an "option to not reccomend this channel" that only appears sometimes.

@exit Yeah, I know they didn't use the full names but, like you said, it's not that farfeched to assume who were they refeering too.

A lot of people here seem to imply that people are angry at the LEWD only but I honestly don't think that's the case and it's ignoring important context.

My opinion is that a bunch of people thought that a lewd game decided to do that was a "step too far". That and the bad timing with that incident of reported sex crimes in massage parlours in Japan arround this time makes this game look even more toxic (probably more than it actually is to be fair).

Honestly? I kinda feel bad for this game. This is the only piece of news of it I've heard about it and I read videogame news daily.
The fact that Xenoblade 3, a JRPG with much more visibility, launches on the same day it's going to basically kill a big part of it's sales at launch.

Besides, I'm still finishing Digimon Cyber Sleuth so I won't pick it up at launch despite me hearing about it for a while. I think people can imagine what JRPG I'm going to pick up this week.

@exit I mean... I personally find this type of games creepy as ***. But I usually don't care to critize anything since there is some niche market that buys them and they don't seem to bother anyone.
But the fact that this game ended up having real names without concent at some point made me quite annoyed. Because the context is not the same in that regard.

@PunkRx_Lockly "why can't people make lewd games and include names of people without concent? How far is the wOkE culture going to fall!?"

I want to mention the CONTEXT of the names because... you know, IT'S THE REASON WHY THIS CONTROVERSY STARTED IN THE FIRST PLACE and you didn't even bother mentioning it in your comment.

Comments like this are the worse for me in my opinion. They put all the critism in the same side. If you are a person that makes their opinion heard and say that you find what they did with this game wrong, you are just a "woke moralist". Because apperantly critism and free speach is a sin now. Because, yes, people that critize this game have free speach too.

@SmaggTheSmug You yourself said that is not the case anymore in Japan tho, since the new law doesn't require the statement being false.

And, AGAIN, I'm just saying that the name thing is what started this whole thing. People saw a lewd game that "went this far" and that's what seem to put people off. Again, hundreds of lewd games on the eShop with no controversy.

@SmaggTheSmug And how do you distinct "right to express opinions freely" and "destroy someone's reputation"? Is me saying that the fact they even considered using real names in a game like this kinda creepy one thing or the other? How do you tell one or the other? How do you know the opinions and intentions of everyone that critized this game?

Also "The developers changed the names so it would be weird if they sued over this. Ergo, the names aren't the issue."?... Like, sure, legally they are fine now with the names (even though you could actually make the argument that using their names at one had "damage those people's reputations"... but whatever).
But that wasn't the point. We are talking here about the reasons why people felt the need to critize this. That reason being because a lewd game went to the lengths to include real names at one point and people thought that was too far for a game like this.
The fact that they changed the name (after the backlash started) and the fact that there are different things legally doesn't change this.
Again, why hundreds of lewd games on the eShop didn't get any controversy but this one does. What is the difference?

Also, I literally answer to your comments. I implied your opinions on this matter from here. If you have any concrete opinion about this whole thing say it clearly instead of using a fancy word to try to invalidate my comments.

@SmaggTheSmug Ugh...
I assumed the backlash was not only because of the lewd part due to the high quantity of lewd games released with no controversy, I then looked the differences between those games and this one. How do you explain this situation? You still haven't done that.

Also, sure, they can sue Japanese people that critize their desition. But the thing here is, I thought all the Japanese people are a monolith that are all against these desition. That's what some people in this very comment section insist after all.
Although, to be fair, it was wrong to assume you also meant that. I'm used to all the people using the buzzwords you used to think the "evil west" are all "puritan SJW" and Japan is all "anti censhorship".

And, yes, this could very well be a free speach issue. Is a company going after people that complain about their product online a good thing? Could that get repercutions in the future? When is complaining free speach and when is "defamation"? I don't get why are you insinuating this has nothing to do with free speach.

And apperantly all my opinions are invalid because I used "consider if...". And you apperantly didn't?
Ok... Who are all those "SJW"? Do you have proof of that backlash? Do you have proof that backlash was exclusivly due to the lewd part and not related at all to the fact they used real names at one point? Do you know the actual position of all of the people that complained about this? Do you have proof of the nationality of the people that the company is targeting? Do you have proof that backlash was enough to be defamation therefore not being protected by free speach rights? If you don't, then you are also using "consider if...".

And finally, I assumed your position because of what you said here. But if I'm wrong I'd be more than happy to know what is your actual position on the issue.

@SmaggTheSmug You didn't even bother to answer anything I said in my last comment. You just said that I was wrong because yes.

What falsehoods I said?
That the context of being a lewd game that used real life people name makes it worse and that trying to separate those two things is just wrong since you are ignoring important context?
That people are not complaining the lewdness itself since there are hundreds of those games on the eShop that got 0 controversy?

You seem to be incapable to consider that it's the context of this lewd game having the "great" desition to use real life names that created all of this BUT that doesn't mean people are complaining the lewdness itself since, again, plenty of lewd games exist with 0 controversy.
The last point is why I mentioned that the lewd was not the thing people were complaining about but you seem to be using that phrase in order to accuse me of "moving goalpoasts" despite not doing that at all. Again, the lewd was not the main issue here. I don't even know how many times I have to say it.

To me, tt seems those two things HAVE to be separate according to you in order to accuse people of being "too puritan" instead of them probably just being weirded out that a lewd game went to that extreme (or at the very least, it is how I still feel about all of this).

@SmaggTheSmug I'm going to repeat myself again it seems since you seem to only read what you want from my comments. Yes, the main problem with this game is NOT THE LEWD. If that were the case, how is it that dozens of lewd japaniese games release on the eShop weekly with almost zero controversy? What the lewd is here is the context that makes the situation worse.
Why are you trying so desperatly to separate the two things when those two are obviously related? People are complaining that a game that is about giving "massages" to woman used real names without concent. That's why the lewd comes up in the critism, because it gives more context about why this situation was in poor taste.
Because, yes, using real names in a game does not always give the same impression. If real names were used in a fechquest of a JRPG then the context would be different. There also are other cases were that could be problematic like using real names of living people in a shooter. Context matters. And I don't think I have "no point at all" for saying that.

@drewber2635 Because the devs used real people names without concent on the game at one point. The article itself points that out.

@Paradigm Repeating the same thing twice doesn't make it true.
And do you know personally every single person of Japan or something? Seriously, What is with this mentality some people have of Japan? Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are a bunch of people there and not everyone thinks like you.

Assuming every single dissident is from the "puritan west" or from "extremist groups" also seems kinda stupid. I think what they did by putting real names on a game like this without concent was in very poor taste, does that make me an "extrimist" too?

Edit: Also, just realized... You created an account JUST NOW. Huh...

I know some people feel the need to defend dynamax by saying over and over how "actually, it's not that bad" or "megas are bad too". But, to be honest, my biggest issue with dynamax is how it throw out all the designs of megas for something that is very similar.
All the mega designs are still innaccesible in modern games. That, to me, is the worse thing about this desition of having shallow one game gimmicks. They could improve the megas and make them more balanced for competitive, but they decided to ignore they ever existed and created a very similar mechanic instead.

And it doesn't matter that some people like Dynamax and Gigantamax more, because all the designs of Gigantamax and strategy of Dynamax only lasts one game.

@SmaggTheSmug Why did they said stuff like "promote rape culture" or "is similar to assault in massage parlors" in particular? Maybe because it used real names at one point? Like it or not, that's why the controversy started. If that wasn't the case, it'd just be another lewd japaniese game on the Switch's eShop. And sure, it should have stopped when they removed the names but you should know that (unfortunately) that's not how the internet works.

Also, I'm sorry to say plenty of pro-free speech arguments are against defamation laws. There are plenty of people who believe free speach should be absolute (and others that agree with them until they see the effects against them...). I don't know what your exact opinion is about free speech since I don't personally know you but your entire point of "these people wanted consequences for speach and I'm happy if THEY get them" gave me bad vives.

And, again, if you aren't in favour of a particular law, why are you celebrating that law being used? Becase it is being used on "the people who deserve it"? In my opinion, that's hypocritical. If you truly are against a law then any application of it should be bad, right?

Also, if a Japaniese company is trying to sue a US citizen, they would have to do it on US courts using US law (being federal and/or state specific). It doesn't matter that the company *suing them are from Japan.