Quite meh for me. Grabbed GRIS for a song (that game looks beautiful and moving). The 30% off Witcher 3 isn’t bad, but I’ve no time to play it anytime soon so will wait for now. Would also pick up Ori but I’ll hold out for 50% off as have a backlog at the moment. Really wanted a cheeky pre-Christmas discount on Grid Autosport, but no such luck, so ended up grabbing it full price for some holiday racing... oh well!
This is such a good idea for an article! Gaming should be a fun and enjoyable hobby, and if you’re not careful a stack of awesome games can suddenly feel like a list of chores to get through! It’s brilliant to be reminded everyone has unplayed classics and backlogs!
For me, if we put aside my 3DS (of which I have an epic backlog of games I now don’t think I’ll ever get to unless they all survive in working order to my retirement), for the Switch I specifically have:
Skyrim (owned, unplayed)
Civ VI (owned, unplayed)
Witcher 3 (on watch list, no idea when I’ll get to it)
I’m only on my second divine beast in BOTW, and by the time I finish it the sequel will be out - so I’m a pass on Link’s Awakening. On top of that, I’ve just never gotten more than a few hours into Pokemon, JRPGs I don’t have the time to grind trough, an any other multiple-hour action-adventure titles (hello Assassin’s Creed) are just never going to get squeezed in as much as I might be keen on them... although if Tomb Raider or Mass Effect ever make the Switch Port jump I will squeeze them in somehow.
... A full time job, maintaining a social life, and an equally as daunting film backlog and a load of books to read... really we’ve too much choice these days! Entertainment overload!
PS: I just want to add that it’s ok to dabble in some games, get a feel for them, enjoy them, but not complete/100% them!
In terms of digital games technically being licensed and then being unavailable once a console is no longer supported... presumably (unless the manufacturer is being super unkind), any games downloaded prior to a service closedown would still work? You’d just have to be careful not to delete them, as there’d be no redownloading...
@PlywoodStick I think you have suggested the most sensible and likely outcome. The best thing for the Switch and Nintendo is selling more systems. The best thing for selling more systems is a price drop. This revision will use more affordable components and efficient production methods to bring the dockless cost down to $199 retail, perhaps $250 with a dock. Summer/late 2019 will see this revised Switch replace the OG version with only very minor cosmetic changes and almost no improvements other than more affordability. Current owners won’t feel messed around, and cautious parents/casual gamers/those wanting a second system will buy. Switch sales will grow... more games will come... and then in 3/4 years we’ll get an actual replacement with significantly revised specs.
Here’s something I’ve not seen suggested yet... is it possible this new sku is simply all about dropping the price so a, say, $250 Switch is more competitive against the PS4 Pro and XBox1X than a $300 Switch? Perhaps talk of changing the screen is related to something meerly more affordable rather than necessarily dfferent or better? I expect we’ll see a genuinely new Switch at some point, but in a few more years. I wouldn’t be surprised if we just end up seeing some relatively modest changes that permit a lower price in late 2019.
Gah! I was going to buy my Switch next month... I can’t wait another year to play BOTW so I’m just gonna go for it. I don’t think this revision will bring too much extra, but if it does I’ll have to take the hit and upgrade within 12 months. Bah!
Grabbed my 3DS XL in 2012 with Ocarina of Time... six years, 58 games, and an upgrade to the New 3DS XL later... it’s time to retire this gadget via Captain Toad - final stop: Luigi’s Mansion!
If they get the price down to £200 (and especially if they can throw in a charger), it’s RIP 3DS for sure... and the Switch heads for Nintendo’s best selling console of all time.
I think if we see anything there will be a mid-cycle updgrade to bump all games to 1080 60fps HDR docked, and maybe some improvements undocked (but NOT at the cost of battery life)...
it’ll be a nice bump for those that want it and to push the system again after a few years, but shouldn’t annoy anyone already with a Switch or pose any issue for developers.
The actual form of the hardware I think will go unchanged until an actual Switch successor (which I suspect won’t be all that different either).
I don't usually have much interest in these sorts of puzzle games, but I think this looks incredible. A bit like being inside a surreal animated movie... La Planète Sauvage meets Professor Layton. The illustration looks fantastic, the gameplay novel, and the soundscape highly atmospheric.
If the Switch reviews end up being good this will be a buy for me - perfect for a long train ride or a sleepy Sunday afternoon! I can imagine I'd come back to it to - I'm sure I won't remember every puzzle and will want to be dazzled by the story-book visuals again. Much like when you go back to a great film, it's not because you don't know what happens, you just want to enjoy the experience again!
I have to echo the fact that part of what makes the Switch so great is it's letting people game that otherwise couldn't! Anyone that can't spend hours tied to (or tying up) a tv can get in on the action again (or perhaps for the first time!)... it's such a valuable feature of the console.
I'd like to see as many AAAs make it over as possible (even if last gen)... I'd like some Tomb Raider, Assasin's Creed, Mass Effect... like many I've simply not got to lots of these games because I never had the time/opportunity to with other types on console.
It's genuinely impressive that the gameplay and game itself is virtually the same. There's always going to be some compromise to get AAAs portable and if, essentially, it's just a relatively small drop in visual quality that's going to be a fine price for most.
If you want DOOM at its best splash out on an all full-spec PC set up. If you just want to pick it up for some fun and only have a Switch or really want to play on the go, Ninetendo is your answer.
Honestly to me it seems to be like comparing dvd to bluray. It's the same thing with some fidelity compromise. I'm happy to pay that price for portability!
And if other AAAs can get on the Switch with a similar quality... I'm excited.
Guys, the quote says MINIMUM 2 years. I think we are 3-4 years away from the next console generation, especially given we only recently had significant mid-cycle updates. Yes there's a need for innovation and new systems to keep gamers interested, but there's also significant development costs that need to be recuperated, and consumers can't just buy new systems too frequently.
As for the Switch, I think that's going to have an 8 year lifespan. We might see a mid-cycle upgrade (but only things like reduced bezel, 1080 portable, 4k up-scaling docked, improved chip - nothing like exclusive games that require an updated system).
As for the Switch follow-up, I think that'll be a beef-up of the hybrid concept that's here to stay. It'll be like comparing the iPhone 4 to the iPhone X. Almost the same thing, just sleeker, faster and more powerful - and fully backward compatible with the original model's games.
The one thing I'm still not sure about is the future of the 2/3DS... Does it become an entry level console with its impressive back catalogue (and perhaps new kid-focused games); or is it fully retired and replaced with some sort of 'budget Switch' (a portable only device that plays Switch games, but doesn't actually 'switch' or have any other features)?
I jumped at SMW for best 2D, SMB3 is a close second for me!
3D I abstained on as I've only played 64, 64DS, Sunshine and Land... although my favourite out of those is Land (got to love the 3DS). I never took to Sunshine, and as for 64... not for me at all. I played it on the N64 back in the late 90s and as recently as today had a go with the DS version. I really appreciate what 64 did to push forward 3D platformers, but I find it an absolute chore. It's so frustrating to play... the camera and those controls... on both versions... are plain awful to me. I can't believe it rates so highly, I can't force myself to ever get further than a few hours and you really don't want to be forcing gaming!
I was a bit worried to hear Oddessy going down a similar 3D sandbox path to 64 and Sunshine but it seems Ninty have finally ironed things out (seems a theme for the switch!)... I'm really optimistic about Oddessy for when I finally get my hands on it!
The 3DS has been amazing and I still don't have a Switch (yet) due to my epic 3DS/DS backlog, but its time has come and its on the fade-out.
I personally love the 3D and always have it turned on (especially on the N3DSXL, which I upgraded to). It makes up for the otherwise shocking (by current standards) display and has truly made some games magical. But I've become less interested in the 3DS as the display gets more and more dated. We've seen what the hardware can do, enjoyed it, and especially without 3D anymore it's time to move on. I love the library of games, but it's getting tired now. I don't care about any upcoming titles and only plan to pick up one or two classics I've not got to yet, to round the system off.
It's becoming clear the 3DSs future is as the 2DS cashing-in on the considerable back catalogue and as an affordable entry system. I think it can stick around like that for some time.
All good things must come to an end, and what a run!
2017: Switch 2019: No more new first party games for 3/2DS but Nindendo keeps manufacturing units/old games, and new third party releases still appear, probabaly for some time. 2020: Switch Pro (more power, 4K to TV, 1080 device screen, $250-300)... AND Switch Mini/Go (less power, smaller 720 screen, fixed joycons, no TV output, $100-150).
I'm personally not the biggest fan of open-world Mario games (64, Sunshine) and prefer the platformer editions (World, 3D Land)... I also don't like the jarring styles... seeing Mario run around a life-like city doesn't work for me. I'll obviously pick this up, but I'm more excited about Yoshi Switch to be honest!
Anyway, I hope it's a hit and I change my mind when I play it... I do love the candy-skull guys and the desert village (?) setting!
I'm just rocking my N3DS at the moment... will grab a Switch once I'm through the twenty-odd games I'm yet to play on that... so 2020!? Haha.
Might grab an X Box One S (if it's around again in grey/black) but as an affordable 4k Blu-ray player... (would have a dabble with 1 or 2 games but that's it)... I mean, I just don't have the time to play that many games, I'm not sure how anyone else does!
I don't know how much they cost to manufacture, but £80 seems ridiculous. Luckily I don't need/want a second dock so am not disappointed/mad but if I did want one I'd pass at that price.
Here's a thought though:
Nintendo Switch is £280. That's for the full-spec console and the dock. They can't price it lower otherwise they make a loss on hardware.
Nintendo 3DS is £180. Let's say Nintendo do end up launching, maybe in early 2019, a "Switch Mini/Go". This is to replace the 3DS and is basically a Switch that doesn't connect to the TV (and has no detachable joycons, maybe slightly worse specs, etc). It can't be more expensive than the 3DS as people won't pay more than that for a "cheaper" handheld-only device.
The difference: one docks and connects to the tv, one doesn't. One is £280, one is £180. Thus, essentially, to the consumer the ability to dock is "worth" £100. Therefore any spare dock has to be priced between £80-£120...
Surely Nintendo have done some extensive market research to ascertain that the New 2DS XL is a sensible idea (no matter how much it might surprise some)... As a very happy N3DSXL owner I can't say I have any plans to get one at all - super stable 3D has transformed games for me! However, it's no problem to me that it exists as an option for others.
I'm a bit worried like others that this could eat into Switch sales, but again Nintendo must have worked out that N2DSXL sales won't affect the Switch adversely... I can only think the strategy here is to make this an entry system and/or to cash in on the remaining hardware sales they can with those yet to indulge in the extensive DS game library.
I'd be surprised if we see many more (any more) first party releases outside 2017 for the DS line though... this looks like a last roll of the dice to me. I mean, I've loved 3DS Pokémons, Monster Hunters, Zeldas, Marios etc... but I don't need/aren't interested in further iterations of those games on this system... been there and done that... it's time to switch things up
So, great budget option for those not ready to commit to or buy a kid a Switch/for those that want an additional DS system/those that don't like 3D, and a sensible way to eek-out those final DS hardware and software sales... but certainly the swan song.
@dumedum I'm not sure if the Switch could handle Andromeda, but if it could, even with some loss in terms of graphics, that'd be awesome. I think ME 1-3 would appeal a lot to anyone that missed out on those games first time around for various reasons... the portability of the Switch is a real opportunity here!
AAA's like Assassin's Creed and Ghost Recon please... preferably latest editions even if the graphics take a small hit, but older versions ported well would be great too... a real opportunity - either double-dipping or coming afresh - with the portable aspect of the Switch!
Hmmmm, this ongoing 3DS support is interesting - surely it's going to cannibalise the Switch if things stay the same? Heck, I don't have a Switch because the 3DS is keeping me too busy... start building that Switch library and I'll be sure to buy one... at the moment, I'm a lost sale sticking with the 3DS. Although, having said that, I am starting to tire of my 3DS anyway... it's a GREAT console but there's only so many games you can play before it starts to get repetitive and the graphic capabilities start to wear thin... still at the moment I could be a good 2+ years off the Switch... far too much 3DS to play! :/
Incidentally, I was convinced we'd see the end of the 3DS in 2018... along with a "Nintendo Go" which acted as a cheaper Switch, playing the same games but with no docking, reduced specs, and focused on purely portable gaming. This made sense, it would mean we'd all move to the Switch family and games with two price points and modes to suit different gamers and habits. Now I'm wondering if the 3DS will survive, but the games made for it will change: more focus on games just for kids whilst the Switch picks up teens and adults. There would be some cross-over but see the 3DS as for Animal Crossing and Yo-kai Watch, Switch for Zelda and Skyrim... We'll see... but surely the status quo with both consoles fully supported is only for the next 9-18 months... I can't see both lasting... I mean money aside, who has the time to play both an ongoing 3DS library AND a Switch library?
Incidentally... PLEASE can we get Mass Effect 1-3 on Switch? Games like this will make it fly off the shelves... Great for those that haven't played them yet, great to have them on the go (especially for those that might want to come back to them)... I think the Switch could do very well out of porting some PS3/XBox360/WiiU era games and making them portable... along with new current gen iterations too.
For me, the real pull for the Switch would be to get to play recent AAA games I missed out on, on the go (or at home when the TV is already in use)... I mean, really, I know we can complain and say the Switch isn't as powerful as the PS4 Pro and XBoxOneS but PS3/360/WiiU games fully mobile... that's really quite impressive... AND with the ability to play them on a TV too... Get porting and publishing guys!
Nintendo Life seem to be onto something here. It seems likely the 3DS will be phased out end of 2017/18. If not simply replaced by the Switch itself and/or premium games for smart devices, I think the 3DS will be followed by a ‘Switch Mini’. Except it won’t be called a Switch anything because it won’t actually ‘switch’, it’ll just play the same games as the Switch on a smaller, cheaper, portable-only device - for argument’s sake perhaps called something more like a ‘Nintendo Go’.
Gamers that want the full experience and to play on a TV as well as on the move could opt for the Switch, those that want to play portable-only on a cheaper handheld that fits more easily in their pocket could opt for the ‘Nintendo Go’. It’d work just like the 2D/3DS and PS4/PS4 Pro. Two price points (premium v standard), two styles of device (hybrid v handheld), and only one set of software for Big N to focus on (yes the 3DS is great, but it’s getting on and I’d rather see focus on the new hardware now - as per Nintendo’s now unified development teams)…
Exciting times ahead and still an epic 3DS library to look back on
This! Basically any new handheld-only device would be a lower-spec Switch much like the 2DS is to the 3DS... same games, just more basic and affordable hardware. Of course, technically the Switch is a replacement for the 3DS and Wii U (if not officially, it will be in practice), but there may well be a market for a cheaper entry point. The other option is Nintendo ditches the handheld-only market to focus on its hybrid Switch and premium smart device games (I'm sure many parents would be more than happy to pass an old smart phone to their kids to play games on).
I know many will be sad to see stereoscopic gaming go, and it's been great - especially on the N3DS, but it's had its time...
@emperorbob In which case a "Switch Go" could make sense - a smaller, more compact model, that's cheaper. It plays the same games, but without connecting to a TV, with no detachable joy-cons, and no other bells or whistles seen in the normal version.
Someone has to be first to bring in "the age of the hybrids" and the Switch is hardly a prototype!
I still think we'll see the 3DS phased out in 2017/18 (I'm saying this as a huge fan of the 3DS), with Nintendo focusing on the Switch and premium games for smart devices.
Maybe, just maybe, they will launch a smaller cheaper version of the Switch with non-detachable joycons or a clamshell design... but possibly we'll just end up with a cheaper Switch package that doesn't include the dock.
In the age of the hybrid it doesn't make sense to split resources and have more than one console? The only thing I can think of is the need for a smaller pocket-friendly sized, cheaper, Switch for those that only want to play on the go... and even then you have the same games playing on both devices.
I’m tempted to suggest that the 3DS, as great as it has been, is probably nearing its end.
I think we’ll see the last 1st party support for the 3DS this year, and then the last 3rd party support in 2018 (maybe 2019), with a halt to manufacturing thereabout. Nintendo will focus everything on the Switch from 2018 onwards. We’re basically having a bit of a soft launch for the Switch, with titles being built up to the holiday season, then there will be a big push. Nintendo won’t want to divide resources - the Switch needs to (and deserves to) be a hit. The DS was great and the 3DS did well in the end, but those that want one, pretty much have one by now. The 3DS tech (3D, dual-screen) is unique (and still enjoyable) but dated - it’s time for something new. Yes, Nintendo could continue to launch new games given the 3DS has a large user base, but they really need gamers to move over to the Switch. I’ve loved my 3DS (and have so much to still play on it), but I’m more than happy to move on to the Switch! The 3DS has a lot of life left in it - these things are going to be around for ages - but official support will stop over the next 2 years. However, once support drops there’s still that HUGE 3DS library… so no need to be too sad!
As for the future, we might see a budget Switch (“Switch Go”), slightly smaller, as a new fully-focused portable - but I doubt it. More likely would be the possibility to get the Switch without the dock for a lower price. Nintendo in terms of hardware seems to be really all about the hybrid - and I think this is smart. What I think we are more likely to see, is Nintendo put much more into mobile phone gaming post 3DS. There are millions and millions of phones out there, and if they can get premium games out that people are happy to spend $10 on, then thats going to be a successful business! Parents also seem more than happy to let kids mess around with an old smart phone - so that could easily replace the 3DS in terms of the kid’s market. Meanwhile, the Switch can absorb all the more dedicated gamers and gaming… not to mention a Switch could probably play games developed for mobile phones as a bonus.
In short:
2017: Last 1st party titles for 3DS, Switch launches early and library grows over the year - huge Switch marketing push for the holiday season.
2018: Last 3rd party titles for 3DS, Nintendo stops manufacture of 3DS, Move to developing premium games for mobile (Super Mario Run 2 etc), Switch library growing.
2019: Full hardware focus on Switch (possibly launch cheaper option without dock), Nintendo positions as big player in premium mobile phone gaming.
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Re: Huge Nintendo Switch Festive Sale Sees More Than 700 Games Discounted By Up To 80% (Europe)
Quite meh for me. Grabbed GRIS for a song (that game looks beautiful and moving). The 30% off Witcher 3 isn’t bad, but I’ve no time to play it anytime soon so will wait for now. Would also pick up Ori but I’ll hold out for 50% off as have a backlog at the moment. Really wanted a cheeky pre-Christmas discount on Grid Autosport, but no such luck, so ended up grabbing it full price for some holiday racing... oh well!
Re: Feature: The Hall Of Shame – Games Or Series We Never Got Around To Playing
This is such a good idea for an article! Gaming should be a fun and enjoyable hobby, and if you’re not careful a stack of awesome games can suddenly feel like a list of chores to get through! It’s brilliant to be reminded everyone has unplayed classics and backlogs!
For me, if we put aside my 3DS (of which I have an epic backlog of games I now don’t think I’ll ever get to unless they all survive in working order to my retirement), for the Switch I specifically have:
I’m only on my second divine beast in BOTW, and by the time I finish it the sequel will be out - so I’m a pass on Link’s Awakening. On top of that, I’ve just never gotten more than a few hours into Pokemon, JRPGs I don’t have the time to grind trough, an any other multiple-hour action-adventure titles (hello Assassin’s Creed) are just never going to get squeezed in as much as I might be keen on them... although if Tomb Raider or Mass Effect ever make the Switch Port jump I will squeeze them in somehow.
... A full time job, maintaining a social life, and an equally as daunting film backlog and a load of books to read... really we’ve too much choice these days! Entertainment overload!
PS: I just want to add that it’s ok to dabble in some games, get a feel for them, enjoy them, but not complete/100% them!
Re: Talking Point: Could Nintendo Ditch Physical Media With A 'Switch Lite?'
In terms of digital games technically being licensed and then being unavailable once a console is no longer supported... presumably (unless the manufacturer is being super unkind), any games downloaded prior to a service closedown would still work? You’d just have to be careful not to delete them, as there’d be no redownloading...
Re: Violent And Bloody Action RPG Vampyr Is Making The Switch
Day one.
Re: Rumour: New Nintendo Switch SKU Planned For Late 2019
@PlywoodStick I think you have suggested the most sensible and likely outcome. The best thing for the Switch and Nintendo is selling more systems. The best thing for selling more systems is a price drop. This revision will use more affordable components and efficient production methods to bring the dockless cost down to $199 retail, perhaps $250 with a dock. Summer/late 2019 will see this revised Switch replace the OG version with only very minor cosmetic changes and almost no improvements other than more affordability. Current owners won’t feel messed around, and cautious parents/casual gamers/those wanting a second system will buy. Switch sales will grow... more games will come... and then in 3/4 years we’ll get an actual replacement with significantly revised specs.
Re: Rumour: New Nintendo Switch SKU Planned For Late 2019
Here’s something I’ve not seen suggested yet... is it possible this new sku is simply all about dropping the price so a, say, $250 Switch is more competitive against the PS4 Pro and XBox1X than a $300 Switch? Perhaps talk of changing the screen is related to something meerly more affordable rather than necessarily dfferent or better? I expect we’ll see a genuinely new Switch at some point, but in a few more years. I wouldn’t be surprised if we just end up seeing some relatively modest changes that permit a lower price in late 2019.
Re: Feature: What Do You Want From A New Nintendo Switch?
Gah! I was going to buy my Switch next month... I can’t wait another year to play BOTW so I’m just gonna go for it. I don’t think this revision will bring too much extra, but if it does I’ll have to take the hit and upgrade within 12 months. Bah!
Re: Turn-Based Strategy Game Civilization VI Is Headed To Switch This November
Oh yes. Providing the Switch edition holds up - definite buy for me!
Re: Luigi's Mansion Will Arrive On 3DS Just In Time For Halloween
Grabbed my 3DS XL in 2012 with Ocarina of Time... six years, 58 games, and an upgrade to the New 3DS XL later... it’s time to retire this gadget via Captain Toad - final stop: Luigi’s Mansion!
Re: Tomb Raider Won’t Be Making The Switch Anytime Soon, According To Eidos Montreal
Shame... if 2013, Rise or Shadow ever got ported to Switch they’d be day one buys for me... here’s hoping for a nice surprise down the line.
Re: A Cheaper, Customisable 'Nintendo Switch 2nd Set' Has Launched In Japan Without A Dock
If they get the price down to £200 (and especially if they can throw in a charger), it’s RIP 3DS for sure... and the Switch heads for Nintendo’s best selling console of all time.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Considers "Nintendo Switch Pro" With NVIDIA Tegra X2 Processor
I think if we see anything there will be a mid-cycle updgrade to bump all games to 1080 60fps HDR docked, and maybe some improvements undocked (but NOT at the cost of battery life)...
it’ll be a nice bump for those that want it and to push the system again after a few years, but shouldn’t annoy anyone already with a Switch or pose any issue for developers.
The actual form of the hardware I think will go unchanged until an actual Switch successor (which I suspect won’t be all that different either).
Re: The Story Of Gorogoa, One Of The Switch's Most Intriguing Indie Titles Yet
I don't usually have much interest in these sorts of puzzle games, but I think this looks incredible. A bit like being inside a surreal animated movie... La Planète Sauvage meets Professor Layton. The illustration looks fantastic, the gameplay novel, and the soundscape highly atmospheric.
If the Switch reviews end up being good this will be a buy for me - perfect for a long train ride or a sleepy Sunday afternoon! I can imagine I'd come back to it to - I'm sure I won't remember every puzzle and will want to be dazzled by the story-book visuals again. Much like when you go back to a great film, it's not because you don't know what happens, you just want to enjoy the experience again!
Re: Soapbox: Celebrating The Second Chance Saloon That Is The Nintendo Switch
I have to echo the fact that part of what makes the Switch so great is it's letting people game that otherwise couldn't! Anyone that can't spend hours tied to (or tying up) a tv can get in on the action again (or perhaps for the first time!)... it's such a valuable feature of the console.
I'd like to see as many AAAs make it over as possible (even if last gen)... I'd like some Tomb Raider, Assasin's Creed, Mass Effect... like many I've simply not got to lots of these games because I never had the time/opportunity to with other types on console.
Re: Digital Foundry Gives Its Full Analysis of DOOM on Nintendo Switch
I think it comes down to how you want to play.
It's genuinely impressive that the gameplay and game itself is virtually the same. There's always going to be some compromise to get AAAs portable and if, essentially, it's just a relatively small drop in visual quality that's going to be a fine price for most.
If you want DOOM at its best splash out on an all full-spec PC set up. If you just want to pick it up for some fun and only have a Switch or really want to play on the go, Ninetendo is your answer.
Honestly to me it seems to be like comparing dvd to bluray. It's the same thing with some fidelity compromise. I'm happy to pay that price for portability!
And if other AAAs can get on the Switch with a similar quality... I'm excited.
Re: Ubisoft Thinks The Next Console Cycle Isn't Far Away, So Where Does That Leave Switch?
Guys, the quote says MINIMUM 2 years. I think we are 3-4 years away from the next console generation, especially given we only recently had significant mid-cycle updates. Yes there's a need for innovation and new systems to keep gamers interested, but there's also significant development costs that need to be recuperated, and consumers can't just buy new systems too frequently.
As for the Switch, I think that's going to have an 8 year lifespan. We might see a mid-cycle upgrade (but only things like reduced bezel, 1080 portable, 4k up-scaling docked, improved chip - nothing like exclusive games that require an updated system).
As for the Switch follow-up, I think that'll be a beef-up of the hybrid concept that's here to stay. It'll be like comparing the iPhone 4 to the iPhone X. Almost the same thing, just sleeker, faster and more powerful - and fully backward compatible with the original model's games.
The one thing I'm still not sure about is the future of the 2/3DS... Does it become an entry level console with its impressive back catalogue (and perhaps new kid-focused games); or is it fully retired and replaced with some sort of 'budget Switch' (a portable only device that plays Switch games, but doesn't actually 'switch' or have any other features)?
Time will tell!
Re: Poll: Which is the Best Super Mario Game?
I jumped at SMW for best 2D, SMB3 is a close second for me!
3D I abstained on as I've only played 64, 64DS, Sunshine and Land... although my favourite out of those is Land (got to love the 3DS). I never took to Sunshine, and as for 64... not for me at all. I played it on the N64 back in the late 90s and as recently as today had a go with the DS version. I really appreciate what 64 did to push forward 3D platformers, but I find it an absolute chore. It's so frustrating to play... the camera and those controls... on both versions... are plain awful to me. I can't believe it rates so highly, I can't force myself to ever get further than a few hours and you really don't want to be forcing gaming!
I was a bit worried to hear Oddessy going down a similar 3D sandbox path to 64 and Sunshine but it seems Ninty have finally ironed things out (seems a theme for the switch!)... I'm really optimistic about Oddessy for when I finally get my hands on it!
Re: Talking Point: An Era Ends As Nintendo Continues to Ignore 3D on the 3DS
The 3DS has been amazing and I still don't have a Switch (yet) due to my epic 3DS/DS backlog, but its time has come and its on the fade-out.
I personally love the 3D and always have it turned on (especially on the N3DSXL, which I upgraded to). It makes up for the otherwise shocking (by current standards) display and has truly made some games magical. But I've become less interested in the 3DS as the display gets more and more dated. We've seen what the hardware can do, enjoyed it, and especially without 3D anymore it's time to move on. I love the library of games, but it's getting tired now. I don't care about any upcoming titles and only plan to pick up one or two classics I've not got to yet, to round the system off.
It's becoming clear the 3DSs future is as the 2DS cashing-in on the considerable back catalogue and as an affordable entry system. I think it can stick around like that for some time.
All good things must come to an end, and what a run!
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
Just gonna splerge on a hefty SD card when I get my Switch and go digital-only
Re: Editorial: amiibo Has Stalled, Because Nintendo is Forgetting What Makes It Special
Never really cared for them, don't own a single one. Good fun for those that want to collect them though... might pick a green yarn yoshi one day.
Re: Analysts Expect Nintendo Switch Hybrid to End 'Two-Punch Strategy'
2017: Switch
2019: No more new first party games for 3/2DS but Nindendo keeps manufacturing units/old games, and new third party releases still appear, probabaly for some time.
2020: Switch Pro (more power, 4K to TV, 1080 device screen, $250-300)... AND Switch Mini/Go (less power, smaller 720 screen, fixed joycons, no TV output, $100-150).
Re: First Impressions: Beginning Our Journey With Super Mario Odyssey on Nintendo Switch
I'm personally not the biggest fan of open-world Mario games (64, Sunshine) and prefer the platformer editions (World, 3D Land)... I also don't like the jarring styles... seeing Mario run around a life-like city doesn't work for me. I'll obviously pick this up, but I'm more excited about Yoshi Switch to be honest!
Anyway, I hope it's a hit and I change my mind when I play it... I do love the candy-skull guys and the desert village (?) setting!
Re: Sony Thinks You'll Buy A PlayStation 4 Alongside Your Nintendo Switch
I'm just rocking my N3DS at the moment... will grab a Switch once I'm through the twenty-odd games I'm yet to play on that... so 2020!? Haha.
Might grab an X Box One S (if it's around again in grey/black) but as an affordable 4k Blu-ray player... (would have a dabble with 1 or 2 games but that's it)... I mean, I just don't have the time to play that many games, I'm not sure how anyone else does!
Re: Nintendo Switch Standalone Dock Goes Up for Pre-Order on Amazon UK
I don't know how much they cost to manufacture, but £80 seems ridiculous. Luckily I don't need/want a second dock so am not disappointed/mad but if I did want one I'd pass at that price.
Here's a thought though:
Nintendo Switch is £280. That's for the full-spec console and the dock. They can't price it lower otherwise they make a loss on hardware.
Nintendo 3DS is £180. Let's say Nintendo do end up launching, maybe in early 2019, a "Switch Mini/Go". This is to replace the 3DS and is basically a Switch that doesn't connect to the TV (and has no detachable joycons, maybe slightly worse specs, etc). It can't be more expensive than the 3DS as people won't pay more than that for a "cheaper" handheld-only device.
The difference: one docks and connects to the tv, one doesn't. One is £280, one is £180. Thus, essentially, to the consumer the ability to dock is "worth" £100. Therefore any spare dock has to be priced between £80-£120...
Re: Nintendo States That Support for the 3DS Family of Systems Remains Strong
Surely Nintendo have done some extensive market research to ascertain that the New 2DS XL is a sensible idea (no matter how much it might surprise some)... As a very happy N3DSXL owner I can't say I have any plans to get one at all - super stable 3D has transformed games for me! However, it's no problem to me that it exists as an option for others.
I'm a bit worried like others that this could eat into Switch sales, but again Nintendo must have worked out that N2DSXL sales won't affect the Switch adversely... I can only think the strategy here is to make this an entry system and/or to cash in on the remaining hardware sales they can with those yet to indulge in the extensive DS game library.
I'd be surprised if we see many more (any more) first party releases outside 2017 for the DS line though... this looks like a last roll of the dice to me. I mean, I've loved 3DS Pokémons, Monster Hunters, Zeldas, Marios etc... but I don't need/aren't interested in further iterations of those games on this system... been there and done that... it's time to switch things up
So, great budget option for those not ready to commit to or buy a kid a Switch/for those that want an additional DS system/those that don't like 3D, and a sensible way to eek-out those final DS hardware and software sales... but certainly the swan song.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Upgraded Confidence in Switch is a Relief
@dumedum I'm not sure if the Switch could handle Andromeda, but if it could, even with some loss in terms of graphics, that'd be awesome. I think ME 1-3 would appeal a lot to anyone that missed out on those games first time around for various reasons... the portability of the Switch is a real opportunity here!
Re: Ubisoft Wants Your Input On Future Nintendo Switch Software Support
AAA's like Assassin's Creed and Ghost Recon please... preferably latest editions even if the graphics take a small hit, but older versions ported well would be great too... a real opportunity - either double-dipping or coming afresh - with the portable aspect of the Switch!
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Upgraded Confidence in Switch is a Relief
Hmmmm, this ongoing 3DS support is interesting - surely it's going to cannibalise the Switch if things stay the same? Heck, I don't have a Switch because the 3DS is keeping me too busy... start building that Switch library and I'll be sure to buy one... at the moment, I'm a lost sale sticking with the 3DS. Although, having said that, I am starting to tire of my 3DS anyway... it's a GREAT console but there's only so many games you can play before it starts to get repetitive and the graphic capabilities start to wear thin... still at the moment I could be a good 2+ years off the Switch... far too much 3DS to play! :/
Incidentally, I was convinced we'd see the end of the 3DS in 2018... along with a "Nintendo Go" which acted as a cheaper Switch, playing the same games but with no docking, reduced specs, and focused on purely portable gaming. This made sense, it would mean we'd all move to the Switch family and games with two price points and modes to suit different gamers and habits. Now I'm wondering if the 3DS will survive, but the games made for it will change: more focus on games just for kids whilst the Switch picks up teens and adults. There would be some cross-over but see the 3DS as for Animal Crossing and Yo-kai Watch, Switch for Zelda and Skyrim... We'll see... but surely the status quo with both consoles fully supported is only for the next 9-18 months... I can't see both lasting... I mean money aside, who has the time to play both an ongoing 3DS library AND a Switch library?
Incidentally... PLEASE can we get Mass Effect 1-3 on Switch? Games like this will make it fly off the shelves... Great for those that haven't played them yet, great to have them on the go (especially for those that might want to come back to them)... I think the Switch could do very well out of porting some PS3/XBox360/WiiU era games and making them portable... along with new current gen iterations too.
For me, the real pull for the Switch would be to get to play recent AAA games I missed out on, on the go (or at home when the TV is already in use)... I mean, really, I know we can complain and say the Switch isn't as powerful as the PS4 Pro and XBoxOneS but PS3/360/WiiU games fully mobile... that's really quite impressive... AND with the ability to play them on a TV too... Get porting and publishing guys!
Re: Talking Point: Considering Nintendo's Portable Future
Nintendo Life seem to be onto something here. It seems likely the 3DS will be phased out end of 2017/18. If not simply replaced by the Switch itself and/or premium games for smart devices, I think the 3DS will be followed by a ‘Switch Mini’. Except it won’t be called a Switch anything because it won’t actually ‘switch’, it’ll just play the same games as the Switch on a smaller, cheaper, portable-only device - for argument’s sake perhaps called something more like a ‘Nintendo Go’.
Gamers that want the full experience and to play on a TV as well as on the move could opt for the Switch, those that want to play portable-only on a cheaper handheld that fits more easily in their pocket could opt for the ‘Nintendo Go’. It’d work just like the 2D/3DS and PS4/PS4 Pro. Two price points (premium v standard), two styles of device (hybrid v handheld), and only one set of software for Big N to focus on (yes the 3DS is great, but it’s getting on and I’d rather see focus on the new hardware now - as per Nintendo’s now unified development teams)…
Exciting times ahead and still an epic 3DS library to look back on
Re: Official Financial Results Q&A Clarifies Kimishima's "3DS Successor" Comment
@Varnen
This! Basically any new handheld-only device would be a lower-spec Switch much like the 2DS is to the 3DS... same games, just more basic and affordable hardware. Of course, technically the Switch is a replacement for the 3DS and Wii U (if not officially, it will be in practice), but there may well be a market for a cheaper entry point. The other option is Nintendo ditches the handheld-only market to focus on its hybrid Switch and premium smart device games (I'm sure many parents would be more than happy to pass an old smart phone to their kids to play games on).
I know many will be sad to see stereoscopic gaming go, and it's been great - especially on the N3DS, but it's had its time...
Re: Tatsumi Kimishima Talks About a Potential 3DS Successor
@emperorbob
In which case a "Switch Go" could make sense - a smaller, more compact model, that's cheaper. It plays the same games, but without connecting to a TV, with no detachable joy-cons, and no other bells or whistles seen in the normal version.
Someone has to be first to bring in "the age of the hybrids" and the Switch is hardly a prototype!
Re: Tatsumi Kimishima Talks About a Potential 3DS Successor
I still think we'll see the 3DS phased out in 2017/18 (I'm saying this as a huge fan of the 3DS), with Nintendo focusing on the Switch and premium games for smart devices.
Maybe, just maybe, they will launch a smaller cheaper version of the Switch with non-detachable joycons or a clamshell design... but possibly we'll just end up with a cheaper Switch package that doesn't include the dock.
In the age of the hybrid it doesn't make sense to split resources and have more than one console? The only thing I can think of is the need for a smaller pocket-friendly sized, cheaper, Switch for those that only want to play on the go... and even then you have the same games playing on both devices.
Re: Talking Point: The Nintendo 3DS, A System That Still Has a Role to Play
I’m tempted to suggest that the 3DS, as great as it has been, is probably nearing its end.
I think we’ll see the last 1st party support for the 3DS this year, and then the last 3rd party support in 2018 (maybe 2019), with a halt to manufacturing thereabout. Nintendo will focus everything on the Switch from 2018 onwards. We’re basically having a bit of a soft launch for the Switch, with titles being built up to the holiday season, then there will be a big push. Nintendo won’t want to divide resources - the Switch needs to (and deserves to) be a hit. The DS was great and the 3DS did well in the end, but those that want one, pretty much have one by now. The 3DS tech (3D, dual-screen) is unique (and still enjoyable) but dated - it’s time for something new. Yes, Nintendo could continue to launch new games given the 3DS has a large user base, but they really need gamers to move over to the Switch. I’ve loved my 3DS (and have so much to still play on it), but I’m more than happy to move on to the Switch! The 3DS has a lot of life left in it - these things are going to be around for ages - but official support will stop over the next 2 years. However, once support drops there’s still that HUGE 3DS library… so no need to be too sad!
As for the future, we might see a budget Switch (“Switch Go”), slightly smaller, as a new fully-focused portable - but I doubt it. More likely would be the possibility to get the Switch without the dock for a lower price. Nintendo in terms of hardware seems to be really all about the hybrid - and I think this is smart. What I think we are more likely to see, is Nintendo put much more into mobile phone gaming post 3DS. There are millions and millions of phones out there, and if they can get premium games out that people are happy to spend $10 on, then thats going to be a successful business! Parents also seem more than happy to let kids mess around with an old smart phone - so that could easily replace the 3DS in terms of the kid’s market. Meanwhile, the Switch can absorb all the more dedicated gamers and gaming… not to mention a Switch could probably play games developed for mobile phones as a bonus.
In short:
2017: Last 1st party titles for 3DS, Switch launches early and library grows over the year - huge Switch marketing push for the holiday season.
2018: Last 3rd party titles for 3DS, Nintendo stops manufacture of 3DS, Move to developing premium games for mobile (Super Mario Run 2 etc), Switch library growing.
2019: Full hardware focus on Switch (possibly launch cheaper option without dock), Nintendo positions as big player in premium mobile phone gaming.