"Bruh, the how does that explain Banjo being DLC when he hasn't had a game in years?"
And lackluster sales at that, in addition to being owned by a company that has their own line of hardware. Again, Sakurai is not in this to make the best of marketing decisions.
"How about Terry, who's only relevant to hardcore fighting game fans and/or people 30+"
He still appears in video games. KOF All Star is the most recent, a free to play mobile game where they have a slew of guest characters of their own. Not only did he have a history in video games, he also had a history in the arcades, so gamers didn't have to buy his games to know who he is.
"Smash already has it's fair share of character inclusions to draw money, but it also has characters there simply to be hype (which is what Sephiroth is)."
What's the purpose of hype if you're not intending to make money with it? Nintendo fanboys would cheer for any big character, and they would want to own all the characters no matter who they are.
"Also, Smash puts a spotlight on each character when they get revealed and that generates interest which can lead into sales."
The prime example of this manufactured success is Fire Emblem, where to took the series almost 25 years to sell 10 million copies. Splatoon reached that milestone after just 2 games.
"Who's to say that there won't be an uptick in sales of anything related to FF7 and who's to say that FF7 fans wouldn't be interested in buying Smash and a Switch now that the two characters are in Smash?"
The behavior of consumers. All the FF fans that Smash Bros. could get have already been won over after 6 years of Cloud being in the product. The group of gamers that would happen to buy products associated with Sephiroth but not the main protagonist of his games has to be a very unique one.
@Yomerodes With Cloud being the main character in the best-selling game from the best-selling series, that was arguably the most valuable character Square Enix had on offer. If Cloud couldn't convert FF fans into Smash fans then who could? How can it be proven that Sephiroth fans are isolated from Cloud fans, whom would only buy Smash Bros if it had Sephiroth? That would be like if consumers are constantly disinterested in Smash Bros. because Tails isn't a character, even though they are aware of Sonic being in the product.
Hands down, the best SE character for the Smash Bros. product would have been Lara. Tomb Raider only had 35 million copies sold when SE bought Eidos out. Now that number is 81 million and it's about to become their #2 franchise by next year or so. So now you have 3 SE characters and they all basically cater to the same demographic while none cater to the demographic Square has been trying to build up that's completely different from that. And that's all cuz of the RPG fanatic in charge of Smash who proclaims that his definition of fun trumps all.
@SolarisPolaris Yes, because fun is subjective. Consumers have their own ideas of what's fun to them, and it shows when consumers keep buying these games. Sure, we all know what Sakurai thinks is fun, but he has no say in what is fun for other consumers. Resident Evil fans might not care about Sephiroth, simply because it's not Leon or another character from that game.
@SolarisPolaris Sure, if it's still fun. I can name a number of characters in Smash Bros who starred in or were in the same series of games like you described.
@SolarisPolaris Being "fun to play" hardly matters. Who is fun to play or who isn't in not factual; but rather subjective. Sakurai telling consumers popularity isn't as important as "fun characters" is just his way of saying "I'm choosing whoever I want." Because it's ultimately up to the developer to decide how the character works.
He could go to extreme lengths to make Sephiroth as OP of a character as he possibly can, just like his other choices, but Tomb Raider fans still won't care. Resident Evil fans still won't care. And those are fans that could have cared if that were some other character.
@JuiceMan_V Pretty much all fighting game developers follow the same rules when choosing guest characters. When they brainstorm guest characters, usually one of their main questions are "Will this character draw money?". Name a modern fighting game today with guest characters and you can clearly guess the main purpose of them being there in the first place is so that they help sell more copies of the game.
And with Cloud already being a part of Smash Bros, Sephiroth can not do this, since Cloud is the reason some FF fans are already interested in Smash Bros. People can argue that Sephiroth hypes up Smash fanboys and they'll happily chip in their $6, but you know who also could do that? Scorpion, Ryu Hayabusa, Lara Croft, Dante, Crash, Heihachi, Altaïr, and so on. All those characters whom could bring in more game sales, let alone DLC sales. So all you're pretty much doing with Sephy is making sure the loyal Smash players are still spending on DLC, that's it. Hardly anyone is going to buy the Smash product just for Sephiroth.
As for the comparisons to other first party series with multiple characters, none of them require any monetary investment to my knowledge.
@JuiceMan_V I think it's one of the most irrational. You already have a character that appeals to FF fans. Another one feels like a huge waste of money.
@westman98 If you make a game or peripheral for Switch, then yes, you do. This is the big reason why Game Pass for Switch was scrapped. None of those titles, nor the service itself is licensed by Nintendo.
A brick breaker/akanoid style game in an SNES like artstyle. Using the ball and paddle you destroy obstacles and crush enemies.
You control two guys that the Grim Reaper turns into women, Andy controls the paddle while Bob is inside the ball you hit. They explore many floors inside Dracula's castle in search of the Reaper's lost souls. There are also cutscenes with humorous yet crude dialogue.
Armello is dead. I'm not sure if that big update/expansion will come. The last time I played the multiplayer the game froze shortly after we started and we were the only party in the server.
@Giygas_95 I forgot to mention the ragdoll physics. So you can shoot aliens off of rooftops & it looks really insane. You can also throw grenades on rooftops and the aliens will fall through to the floor below it.
@Giygas_95 They are really fun. It's turn based strategy, but in this game, you can scale and go inside buildings and blow up walls and ceilings, which is not what you can say for Fire Emblem. There are main characters, but none of which are used in battle. Instead, the player recruits the soldiers and they have their own names and nationalities (except for some reason you always start out with a woman named Jane Kelly who's from Ireland). The campaign is pretty long, there are no "chapters" but rather a timeline and you choose which missions to play out as you achieve objectives, and levels are also procedurally generated too.
Couldn't play through the demo. Story made no sense, pressing A just for the thing to stumble around isn't entertaining, and the full game is way overpriced.
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Re: Random: Banjo-Kazooie Creator Reacts To Duo's Bittersweet Cameo In The Latest Smash Trailer
@Mgene15 Fans shouldn't complain when they refused to buy Nuts and Bolts.
Re: Final Fantasy VII's Sephiroth Gets Added To The Smash Bros. Ultimate Mural
@JuiceMan_V
"Bruh, the how does that explain Banjo being DLC when he hasn't had a game in years?"
And lackluster sales at that, in addition to being owned by a company that has their own line of hardware. Again, Sakurai is not in this to make the best of marketing decisions.
"How about Terry, who's only relevant to hardcore fighting game fans and/or people 30+"
He still appears in video games. KOF All Star is the most recent, a free to play mobile game where they have a slew of guest characters of their own. Not only did he have a history in video games, he also had a history in the arcades, so gamers didn't have to buy his games to know who he is.
"Smash already has it's fair share of character inclusions to draw money, but it also has characters there simply to be hype (which is what Sephiroth is)."
What's the purpose of hype if you're not intending to make money with it? Nintendo fanboys would cheer for any big character, and they would want to own all the characters no matter who they are.
"Also, Smash puts a spotlight on each character when they get revealed and that generates interest which can lead into sales."
The prime example of this manufactured success is Fire Emblem, where to took the series almost 25 years to sell 10 million copies. Splatoon reached that milestone after just 2 games.
"Who's to say that there won't be an uptick in sales of anything related to FF7 and who's to say that FF7 fans wouldn't be interested in buying Smash and a Switch now that the two characters are in Smash?"
The behavior of consumers. All the FF fans that Smash Bros. could get have already been won over after 6 years of Cloud being in the product. The group of gamers that would happen to buy products associated with Sephiroth but not the main protagonist of his games has to be a very unique one.
Re: Random: Banjo-Kazooie Creator Reacts To Duo's Bittersweet Cameo In The Latest Smash Trailer
@ErinIcedMocha Did I hit a nerve there?
Re: Random: Banjo-Kazooie Creator Reacts To Duo's Bittersweet Cameo In The Latest Smash Trailer
@kingbk They just announced a new Perfect Dark last night.
Re: Final Fantasy VII's Sephiroth Gets Added To The Smash Bros. Ultimate Mural
@Yomerodes With Cloud being the main character in the best-selling game from the best-selling series, that was arguably the most valuable character Square Enix had on offer. If Cloud couldn't convert FF fans into Smash fans then who could? How can it be proven that Sephiroth fans are isolated from Cloud fans, whom would only buy Smash Bros if it had Sephiroth? That would be like if consumers are constantly disinterested in Smash Bros. because Tails isn't a character, even though they are aware of Sonic being in the product.
Hands down, the best SE character for the Smash Bros. product would have been Lara. Tomb Raider only had 35 million copies sold when SE bought Eidos out. Now that number is 81 million and it's about to become their #2 franchise by next year or so. So now you have 3 SE characters and they all basically cater to the same demographic while none cater to the demographic Square has been trying to build up that's completely different from that. And that's all cuz of the RPG fanatic in charge of Smash who proclaims that his definition of fun trumps all.
Re: Final Fantasy VII's Sephiroth Gets Added To The Smash Bros. Ultimate Mural
@SolarisPolaris Yes, because fun is subjective. Consumers have their own ideas of what's fun to them, and it shows when consumers keep buying these games. Sure, we all know what Sakurai thinks is fun, but he has no say in what is fun for other consumers. Resident Evil fans might not care about Sephiroth, simply because it's not Leon or another character from that game.
Re: Random: Banjo-Kazooie Creator Reacts To Duo's Bittersweet Cameo In The Latest Smash Trailer
Because we're dying to know everything about a series that hasn't even sold 7 million copies in 22 years.
Re: Final Fantasy VII's Sephiroth Gets Added To The Smash Bros. Ultimate Mural
@SolarisPolaris Sure, if it's still fun. I can name a number of characters in Smash Bros who starred in or were in the same series of games like you described.
Re: Final Fantasy VII's Sephiroth Gets Added To The Smash Bros. Ultimate Mural
@SolarisPolaris Being "fun to play" hardly matters. Who is fun to play or who isn't in not factual; but rather subjective. Sakurai telling consumers popularity isn't as important as "fun characters" is just his way of saying "I'm choosing whoever I want." Because it's ultimately up to the developer to decide how the character works.
He could go to extreme lengths to make Sephiroth as OP of a character as he possibly can, just like his other choices, but Tomb Raider fans still won't care. Resident Evil fans still won't care. And those are fans that could have cared if that were some other character.
Re: Final Fantasy VII's Sephiroth Gets Added To The Smash Bros. Ultimate Mural
@SolarisPolaris Not sure what you're trying to say.
Re: Final Fantasy VII's Sephiroth Gets Added To The Smash Bros. Ultimate Mural
@JuiceMan_V Pretty much all fighting game developers follow the same rules when choosing guest characters. When they brainstorm guest characters, usually one of their main questions are "Will this character draw money?". Name a modern fighting game today with guest characters and you can clearly guess the main purpose of them being there in the first place is so that they help sell more copies of the game.
And with Cloud already being a part of Smash Bros, Sephiroth can not do this, since Cloud is the reason some FF fans are already interested in Smash Bros. People can argue that Sephiroth hypes up Smash fanboys and they'll happily chip in their $6, but you know who also could do that? Scorpion, Ryu Hayabusa, Lara Croft, Dante, Crash, Heihachi, Altaïr, and so on. All those characters whom could bring in more game sales, let alone DLC sales. So all you're pretty much doing with Sephy is making sure the loyal Smash players are still spending on DLC, that's it. Hardly anyone is going to buy the Smash product just for Sephiroth.
As for the comparisons to other first party series with multiple characters, none of them require any monetary investment to my knowledge.
Re: Final Fantasy VII's Sephiroth Gets Added To The Smash Bros. Ultimate Mural
@JuiceMan_V I think it's one of the most irrational. You already have a character that appeals to FF fans. Another one feels like a huge waste of money.
Re: Custom-Made Etika Joy-Con Which Raised $10k For Charity Fell Foul Of Copyright Claim, Creator Reveals
@westman98 Why is it expected? It would be terrible for Switch developers.
Re: Developers Of The New Perfect Dark Will Treat It "Very Carefully"
Uh, shouldn't this article be on Pure Xbox?
Re: Gallery: A Closer Look At The One-Winged Angel Sephiroth In Smash Bros. Ultimate
A no-logic, nepotistic decision from Sakurai.
Re: Smash Bros. Ultimate Mushroom Tournament Starts Later This Week
Scraping the bottom of the barrel with ideas. Last time it was "sleeveless spirits".
Re: Community: 12 Switch Games We Missed, As Recommended By You
I made a typo in that, by the way. Dumb phone changing words. Thanks though.
Re: Custom-Made Etika Joy-Con Which Raised $10k For Charity Fell Foul Of Copyright Claim, Creator Reveals
@westman98 If you make a game or peripheral for Switch, then yes, you do. This is the big reason why Game Pass for Switch was scrapped. None of those titles, nor the service itself is licensed by Nintendo.
Re: Custom-Made Etika Joy-Con Which Raised $10k For Charity Fell Foul Of Copyright Claim, Creator Reveals
@westman98 5) Get a license from Nintendo to sell them.
Re: Geoff Keighley Shares "Hype Trailer" For The Game Awards 2020
Shang Tsung: No one can predict what happens next.
Re: Review: Star Renegades - Borrows Ideas From The Best To Create A Truly Inventive RPG
Had my eye on this game but I've spent too much recently already.
Re: Community: Found A Great Game On Switch eShop? Send Us Your Recommendations
Death's Hangover
A brick breaker/akanoid style game in an SNES like artstyle. Using the ball and paddle you destroy obstacles and crush enemies.
You control two guys that the Grim Reaper turns into women, Andy controls the paddle while Bob is inside the ball you hit. They explore many floors inside Dracula's castle in search of the Reaper's lost souls. There are also cutscenes with humorous yet crude dialogue.
It's also a very cheap game at that.
Re: Feature: Best Nintendo Switch Card Games, Board Games And Deck Builders
Armello is dead. I'm not sure if that big update/expansion will come. The last time I played the multiplayer the game froze shortly after we started and we were the only party in the server.
Re: 2K Black Friday Sale Discounts BioShock, Borderlands, WWE And More On Switch (North America)
@Giygas_95 I forgot to mention the ragdoll physics. So you can shoot aliens off of rooftops & it looks really insane. You can also throw grenades on rooftops and the aliens will fall through to the floor below it.
Re: 2K Black Friday Sale Discounts BioShock, Borderlands, WWE And More On Switch (North America)
@Giygas_95 They are really fun. It's turn based strategy, but in this game, you can scale and go inside buildings and blow up walls and ceilings, which is not what you can say for Fire Emblem. There are main characters, but none of which are used in battle. Instead, the player recruits the soldiers and they have their own names and nationalities (except for some reason you always start out with a woman named Jane Kelly who's from Ireland). The campaign is pretty long, there are no "chapters" but rather a timeline and you choose which missions to play out as you achieve objectives, and levels are also procedurally generated too.
Re: 2K Black Friday Sale Discounts BioShock, Borderlands, WWE And More On Switch (North America)
Highly recommend XCOM.
Re: Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics Version 1.1.3 Is Now Available, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
Has anyone tried playing Toy Baseball online?
Re: Random: Hyrule Warriors: Age Of Calamity Might Include A Popular Zelda CD-i Reference
I don't see what is special about that quote.
Re: XIII Remake Was Received So Poorly That The 2003 Original Actually Sold Better Last Week (UK)
How would he know this?
Re: Doom Eternal For Switch Will No Longer Receive A Physical Release
That's an embarrassment. The previous one was on a physical cartridge, which I still own.
Re: Huge Capcom Leak Suggests New Final Fight, Power Stone, Mega Man And Dragon's Dogma Games Are Coming
I call fake. You don't need 3+ years to make a game like Power Stone.
Re: Picross S5 Brings Your Next Puzzle Fix To Switch Next Week
I haven't even finished the last one.
Re: Microsoft Won't Be Taking Bethesda's Games Away From Nintendo Platforms
@Diddy64 Rare wishes they could sell as many games as Bethesda.
Re: Nintendo Of America President Doug Bowser Congratulates Xbox On The Series X|S Launch
How meaningful...
Re: Billion Road To Receive Physical Switch Release, Will Be Distributed By LRG
Isn't this a Level 5 game?
Re: Sam & Max Save The World Is Being Remastered For Nintendo Switch
I was waiting for this game to get a price drop on the XBOX 360. It never happened. No joke.
Re: LEGO Shares Animal Crossing: New Horizons Designs Inspired By Its New 'DOTS' Range
Likely just a Lego employee that wanted to share something.
Re: Mini Review: Mad Rat Dead - A Delightful Mix Of Rhythm Action And Platforming
Couldn't play through the demo. Story made no sense, pressing A just for the thing to stumble around isn't entertaining, and the full game is way overpriced.
Re: Mortal Kombat 11 Ultimate Appears To Be Getting A Physical Release On Switch In The UK
Number of DLC characters by game:
Mortal Kombat (2011): 4
Injustice: Gods Among Us: 6
Mortal Kombat X: 8
Injustice 2: 10
Mortal Kombat 11: 12
Re: Review: Jurassic World Evolution: Complete Edition - A Murder Park Simulator With Bite
Certainly a better take compared to that Jurassic Park: Trespasser.
Re: Switch Is Getting A Brand-New Dizzy Game, And It Was Coded During Lockdown
Let's play Dizzy.
Re: Video: Does Cloud Gaming Work On The Nintendo Switch?
If you have a 5G connection, then it should totally work. Didn't they just release 5G iPhones and whatnot?
If they didn't believe cloud gaming would work out, they wouldn't have did it. It's that simple.
Re: Phil Spencer "Not Sure" About Game Pass On Switch, But Says Xbox Could Be Open To Discussions
If Game Pass comes to Switch then goodbye eShop & all third party developers.
Re: Hands On: Immortals: Fenyx Rising Could Be The Switch Adventure You Need This Holiday
It looks very Ubisoft-y.
Re: Video: The Best Nintendo Switch Games You've Probably Never Heard Of (Part 2)
The Touryst had possibly the worst and most shallow demo I ever played.
Re: A Follow-Up To The Outer Worlds Is Already In Pre-Production, Says Industry Insider
Why would it be on a Nintendo platform?
Re: Popular Twitch And TikTok Star Pokeprincxss Has Been Sued By Nintendo
She didn't learn from the Angry Video Game Nerd.
Re: Banjo-Kazooie, Byleth And Terry Bogard Smash Bros. amiibo Box Art Revealed
Sakurai in 2015: Lets make additional Amiibo figures of Cloud, Corrin, and Bayonetta, because I can't help it my ego is so flippin' large.
Sakurai in 2020: 😨 What do you mean we can't produce more than one Hero?
Re: Banjo-Kazooie, Byleth And Terry Bogard Smash Bros. amiibo Box Art Revealed
Scalpers will end up with garage-fulls of Banjos and not have a soul to sell them to.
Re: The Walking Dead's Rick, Daryl And Michonne Are Joining Brawlhalla As Playable Fighters
Eeny, meeny, miney, moe-- I choose John Cena.