@RareFan You're not wrong, but you're not right either. Mania takes the old zones, and uses the first act as an homage to the original level, usually incorporating the iconic set pieces and level design from Acts 1 and 2 of the original game into Act 1 of Mania. Act 2 is a level with the same aesthetics of the original zone, but the ideas are new and twisted around. Saying it's 3/4th recycled zones just isn't true for what the game is. The game heavily uses stage elements and iconic designs from the series history, but puts them together in new and interesting ways.
Of course, I'd have preferred Mania to be entirely new zones, but Sega said they were going to do something else, and the Mania team did the best they could under those restrictions.
@Not_Soos If you enjoyed Forces, you'll probably love Generations. The reason many fans hate Forces is because it is such a step back from the Boost Formula games that predated it. I haven't kept up to date with Colors Ultimate patches, but you might enjoy that too, assuming the glaring issues were fixed. As for Sonic Boom... I understand being a glutton for hedgehog, just actually keep your expectations low. You can find fun with almost all games, but I actively enjoyed Sonic 06 more than Sonic Boom on Wii U. The 3DS games don't deserve their names dragged through the mud. Boom Wii U could have been better if Sega didn't change a PS4/XBO Unreal Engine game into a Wii U exclusive that couldn't run well even with Nintendo helping to optimize the game's performance. I don't blame the developers, Sega threw them under the bus with that one.
@Serpenterror Pretty sure Triple Trouble 16 Bit isn't a Retro Engine game. Not only does the official download page on GameJolt list it as GameMaker Studio, but the demo for the game came out at a time when Retro Engine tools were only available for modding games like Mania. Projects like 3'Mixed and Trial Amentia were going to replace levels in Mania, using Mania as the base game. Over the last few years, the community has figured out exactly how the Retro Engine works and how to make games from it, but this only became feasible realistically in the last year.
@AlienX It doesn't bother me so much, but I have to agree that I've rolled my eyes at the phrase multiple times. I wonder if it became more associated with Sonic following the Sonic Rush games and Boost formula, where that emphasis on Gotta Go Fast really was pushed above all else.
@AlienX The European Version of Sonic X had a unique opening theme song too, but it's rarely remembered. Of course, all of the lyrics are "Sonic X", so it's not much for taglines.
@Jmjfrank There are plenty of nostalgic 90s gamers out there, and when Power Rangers is wrote well and marketed well to kids, they are interested in it too. Recent season have not been anywhere near as popular, compared to other shows in the same genre.
@PrinceRetro I don't think it is too much for fans to ask that a 2022 collection of games originally released between 1991 and 1994, to perform at the very least as good as they did back then, if not perform better now. Especially considering how 3 of the games were remade a decade ago, with less issues than they have in the Origins release. Releasing the product as is creates a first impression that can never be taken back, and as a result, regardless of if Sega manages to patch this to the best Sonic Collection ever, the damage is already done. Yes, the game will continue to sell, Sonic is an evergreen franchise and regardless of review scores, the games sell millions. To the online gaming masses though? Sonic Origins will never shake that first impression with most gamers, when it could have been a repeat of Mania with almost nothing but praise for the Blue Blur.
@ArceusSupremacy Out of curiosity, what is your definition of a true game? Because if your definition is not a visual novel, that's just subjectively wrong.
If you want to open the conversation about visual novels not being games in the first place, that's an entirely different can of worms, and a genre you'll find a lot of people enjoy.
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Re: Sega Launches 'Ultimate Sonic Bundle' On Switch eShop, But Something's Missing
@RareFan You're not wrong, but you're not right either. Mania takes the old zones, and uses the first act as an homage to the original level, usually incorporating the iconic set pieces and level design from Acts 1 and 2 of the original game into Act 1 of Mania. Act 2 is a level with the same aesthetics of the original zone, but the ideas are new and twisted around. Saying it's 3/4th recycled zones just isn't true for what the game is. The game heavily uses stage elements and iconic designs from the series history, but puts them together in new and interesting ways.
Of course, I'd have preferred Mania to be entirely new zones, but Sega said they were going to do something else, and the Mania team did the best they could under those restrictions.
Re: Anniversary: Impossibly, Sonic Mania Is Now Five Years Old
@Not_Soos If you enjoyed Forces, you'll probably love Generations. The reason many fans hate Forces is because it is such a step back from the Boost Formula games that predated it. I haven't kept up to date with Colors Ultimate patches, but you might enjoy that too, assuming the glaring issues were fixed. As for Sonic Boom... I understand being a glutton for hedgehog, just actually keep your expectations low. You can find fun with almost all games, but I actively enjoyed Sonic 06 more than Sonic Boom on Wii U. The 3DS games don't deserve their names dragged through the mud. Boom Wii U could have been better if Sega didn't change a PS4/XBO Unreal Engine game into a Wii U exclusive that couldn't run well even with Nintendo helping to optimize the game's performance. I don't blame the developers, Sega threw them under the bus with that one.
@Serpenterror Pretty sure Triple Trouble 16 Bit isn't a Retro Engine game. Not only does the official download page on GameJolt list it as GameMaker Studio, but the demo for the game came out at a time when Retro Engine tools were only available for modding games like Mania. Projects like 3'Mixed and Trial Amentia were going to replace levels in Mania, using Mania as the base game. Over the last few years, the community has figured out exactly how the Retro Engine works and how to make games from it, but this only became feasible realistically in the last year.
Re: First 4 Figures Teases Legend Of Zelda 'Link On Horseback' Resin Statue
Breathtaking. Now might be the time to smash any and all pots in the surrounding area, and mow all of your neighbors yards.
Re: Sonic's Speedy Return To Fall Guys Is Coming Later This Week
@AlienX It doesn't bother me so much, but I have to agree that I've rolled my eyes at the phrase multiple times. I wonder if it became more associated with Sonic following the Sonic Rush games and Boost formula, where that emphasis on Gotta Go Fast really was pushed above all else.
Re: Talking Point: What Does Your Favourite Pokémon Say About You?
Typhlosion is my favorite. He lead my team for my longest Pokemon adventure ever, counting sheer gameplay hours and not just content.
Re: Sonic's Speedy Return To Fall Guys Is Coming Later This Week
@AlienX The European Version of Sonic X had a unique opening theme song too, but it's rarely remembered. Of course, all of the lyrics are "Sonic X", so it's not much for taglines.
Re: Super Punch-Out!! Hidden Two-Player Mode Discovered 28 Years Later
@papa_frezz Wow! I can't believe I got to read a comment from someone so smart! Sign my comment, please!
Re: Random: Fan Reimagines Sonic As A 'Shredder's Revenge' Style Beat-Em-Up
@Jmjfrank There are plenty of nostalgic 90s gamers out there, and when Power Rangers is wrote well and marketed well to kids, they are interested in it too. Recent season have not been anywhere near as popular, compared to other shows in the same genre.
Re: Random: Fan Reimagines Sonic As A 'Shredder's Revenge' Style Beat-Em-Up
@Jmjfrank Unfortunately, I'm sure the licensing deals with now Hasbro who owns the PR series will stop the older games from appearing on anything.
Re: Good Smile Shares First Look At Figma Samus Aran: Metroid Dread Prototype
@IanfromBristol Thanks, I'll be here all week! Assuming the EMMIs don't find me first that is...
Re: Good Smile Shares First Look At Figma Samus Aran: Metroid Dread Prototype
Those look amazing, and I'm sure the prices will be positively dreadful.
Re: Sega Rolling Out New Update For Sonic Origins, Here's What's Included
@PrinceRetro I don't think it is too much for fans to ask that a 2022 collection of games originally released between 1991 and 1994, to perform at the very least as good as they did back then, if not perform better now. Especially considering how 3 of the games were remade a decade ago, with less issues than they have in the Origins release. Releasing the product as is creates a first impression that can never be taken back, and as a result, regardless of if Sega manages to patch this to the best Sonic Collection ever, the damage is already done. Yes, the game will continue to sell, Sonic is an evergreen franchise and regardless of review scores, the games sell millions. To the online gaming masses though? Sonic Origins will never shake that first impression with most gamers, when it could have been a repeat of Mania with almost nothing but praise for the Blue Blur.
Re: Rumour: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Wave 2 Datamine Might Have Revealed Future DLC Tracks
I wonder how many Rainbow Roads we might end up with when the Booster Pass is said and done.
If Rainbow Road 3DS is included, then we would have enough for a full Rainbow Cup, right? SNES, N64, 3DS, then Wii U/Switch?
Re: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Course Pass Wave 2 Gets Release Time In UK
Been looking forward to this. See you all at the Pinball Machines!
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Digimon Survive
@ArceusSupremacy Out of curiosity, what is your definition of a true game? Because if your definition is not a visual novel, that's just subjectively wrong.
If you want to open the conversation about visual novels not being games in the first place, that's an entirely different can of worms, and a genre you'll find a lot of people enjoy.