Mr_Muscle

@KingMike This is closer to the truth than many people would think!

Zelda-inspired? This looks like it's directly competing with Dragon Quest Builders, judging from the video.

@yuwarite Okay, I just looked the thing up, and it looks legit. From their website: " The World 1st Proffisional 3D Gaming Console true mobile gaming device."

I'll take ten.

@qeiYnn Yeah, I'm sure emulators won't work on this thing...oh wait...

@Manski777 I don't want to save every game, though. There's already a museum that is doing that. I just want to have backups of my older, physical collection because let's face it. Even though NES and SNES games are built like tanks, they still have small parts that can fail. Capacitors burn out, the gold contacts can become damaged and not function. I have a couple games that are considered rare, and if they break I don't plan on replacing the carts. Having an emulator enables me to keep my collection intact for a longer period, and guess what? The parties that be still got their money, so nobody was hurt and no crime was committed.

If you thought murder was acceptable, I wouldn't think you're crazy. I teach self defense as part of my profession, so it's not the first time I've had the talk. The point is to recognize that none of these issues are as black and white as the majority of the userbase seems to be arguing. Of course, laws are in place both as a preventative measure and as a way to moderate crimes after the fact. Yet, all crimes need to be proven in a court of law. Simply doing the thing isn't illegal, from a moral perspective. Doing the thing, getting caught in the act, and then having charges pressed against you is when it really starts to count.

There's a reason that in law school, most teachers spend a great deal of time teaching their students the dilemma that is, "the letter of the law, vs. the heart of the law." That's why you see murder cases like the father who murdered to avenge his daughter get overturned in rare cases. He committed murder out of mental anguish, and I think that's okay. Others may not. The people that really mattered (the jury and judge) thought it was reasonable enough to be overturned.

I'm not against opinions; I'm against black and white thinking. That's mainly why I enjoy these discussions, because I get to "mentally arm wrestle" with people who have differing views than me.

Honestly, as silly as these things look, they do work to get people who normally don't move around into physical training.

Case in point: Dance Dance Revolution was what got me out of being sedentary and it taught me how to enjoy exercise. Thanks to that positive exposure to exercise, all these years later I have a career centered around teaching martial arts and personal training at a gym. (hence the Mr. Muscle name lol)

So, while it may look silly to some, for others this could be what they need to get off the couch and start leading a more healthy and fit life. It's not for me, as at this stage in my life I prefer more traditional exercise, but I hope it helps people in a similar way!

@YessMasster This device will have access to libraries like Steam and GOG. Yet, the Switch will always be more successful because these Nvidia things tend to be close to a thousand dollars.

@Damo Oh, so because it has detachable controllers is the reason for the article. Got it!

@tabzer Thank you. There are all these black and white thinkers that can’t see any middle ground whatsoever. It’s refreshing when someone reasonable pops in. Peace!

@DStanton See, that’s a reasonable example. The game is out of print. It’s not causing financial damages to anybody, especially in 20 years. Heck, Nintendo might do a 180 and stop selling games by then and change their business practice. I wonder if that guy would think it’s wrong, in that case?

@Manski777 ROMs are not illegal. ROMs are contained in the original cartridges, so by your logic a guy on eBay can’t resell a used NES game. The distribution of ROMs is only illegal if it causes financial damages to the parties in question. That’s why Nintendo is able to sue this particular rom site. They were essentially stealing Nintendo’s thunder.

You can always test the moral fiber of people with ROM discussions. Whether or not you think it is right or wrong isn’t the issue. It’s WHY people think it’s wrong or right. People of low moral fiber think it’s wrong or right no matter what with zero exception and little thought beyond that. People with higher moral fiber are able to discuss their view in a more balanced way and explain why beyond, “it’s illegal so there.”

Murder is illegal. Yet, there are times where a court ruling set someone who committed murder free of any charges. One famous case set a father free because the person he killed his only daughter. Rare, but these sorts of rulings happen and it shows an instance where something as bad as murder is “ok.”

Going back to the ROM thing, yes it’s illegal to distribute them. But, if you own the game physically or the rights to the game have been lost due to a company liquidating or something, then there are no financial damages. Remember in order for there to be a crime in regards to copyright infringement, there needs to be a financial loss on the part of the person(s) who own the copyright. A game that is out of print falls in this category. A game that is still physically sold by the company is obviously illegal to distribute.

They made one years before the Switch, so who is ripping off who?

@Kalmaro If you can’t prove that there is any financial damage then there is no crime. Sorry dude that’s just how it works.

@Tantani That's why I made the joke about Astral Chain, 'cause the developer was so adamant about it not appearing on another console. For all we know, it's another "timed exclusive." Only people on the inside of Nintendo know for sure!

Exciting news that they get a physical release. I'm gonna wait and see if it's released in the west first, seeing as it's not a stupid, limited edition.

lol if they do this with Astral Chain, I'll have a good laugh.

@dleec8 Sorry you had a long day. Hope tomorrow finds you feeling better, so you don't have to be mean to people on the internet. Peace!

I won't be happy until Konami releases a pachinko game on the Switch, on the US and EU eShop.

@dleec8 I'm replying to you based on things you said, and you started talking about downloading and selling roms. It's kinda weird talking to you, because you reply with things that I'm not talking about, and then come back at me with counter arguments to things I didn't say. Actually, it's kinda entertaining!

Anyway, to address something you actually said, there are many, many stipulations and exceptions to public domain, which is why I snarkily suggested you read up on it. Like I said, let's keep things civil. We can talk about this without jumping on each other. Peace, brother.

@MinecraftBoy They should remove the internet.

@dleec8 I suggest staying less aggressive. It will make people listen to you. Nowhere in any post did I write anything about pirating and selling the pirated thing. I'm talking about downloading a ROM of a game that's no longer under production, and is therefor public domain. Let's keep the discussion civil. People aren't downloading ROMs that you personally own (as far as I know) so no need to jump on me about it.

@Heavyarms55 I mean, technically it's copyright infringement, which is a different crime. Semantics, at this point.

@tabzer Exactly this. Very good and sensible take, here. Reminds me of what just happened with Dungeons & Dragons, and how for years everyone thought it was one person but in actuality it was another. Now that they are both deceased, the world knows the truth, but it's an extremely compelling story.

@dleec8 Someone doesn't know much about "public domain." Might want to read up on it before accusing the entire readerbase of stealing lmao.

@HobbitGamer A great way not to argue is to open with telling people not to think or feel they way they do about a certain topic. Telling people, "don't dress it up like it's for preservation," is a great way for people to mentally resist your idea.

Emulation is more than just preservation. There are literally games that are unplayable unless done through emulation, such as the BS Zelda game someone above mentioned, or certain copies of arcade games that haven't been reproduced in decades.

There's no good coming out of what that website did. By stealing money off of Nintendo's intellectual property, they set themselves up for the lawsuit. However, someone downloading an old copy of Cybattler, a game that is no longer in circulation, isn't harming anybody. There's literally no financial damage to any party as a result of certain old ROM downloads. Heck, even Blizzard's original Diablo game is up on a certain website because they haven't done anything with it in years and years.

@Kalmaro Yikes, this is such a bad take. The whole reason pirating a game is bad is ONLY if it causes financial damages to the copyright owners. If there are no damages as a result of you downloading something, then it's not piracy. That being said, there are some games that are literally unplayable with the exception of emulation. Downloading a copy of say, Cybattler, an old arcade shooter, isn't harming anybody because nobody is selling the game anymore or manufacturing it. Obviously, pirating a copy of Mario Odyssey is bad, because Nintendo is still selling it. It's a vast chasm of a difference. Financial damage is ALWAYS associated with pirating, UNLESS the copyright holder no longer holds the rights for whatever reason. Then it becomes public domain.

Again, I'm not condoning downloading things as a way to circumvent paying for them. I'm condoning downloads of roms ONLY if you aren't causing someone financial damages and if you are doing it for some kind of preservation purpose.

@Pixel-Florist I'm happy that you can at least find things to play. Sorry to hear about that!

@NEStalgia I remember those stores! Been a while. I remember getting Contra 3 from an EB Games way back when.

@HaTTrick71 Of course! I have friends that work there and they aren't always happy with the job. Better than the alternative, for sure!

@JayJ Hm, sounds like they would rather you walk into the store than have them ship to you, which is probably why they have shipping charges like that. I'm still not sure why you are convinced that dedicated game stores are no longer a thing because of them. I'm literally surrounded by 9-10 of them, all within an hour or less driving distance. One of them even specializes in Japanese imports only, and they've been in business for 15 years. That argument is going to depend on what area you're in. Again, I disagree with the competitive deals thing. I go to Target and Horizon Zero Dawn is $20 new (if they have it) and I go to Gamestop and get it for $8 used. That's pretty darned competitive. I know they aren't perfect; no company is. They sure do make a lot of mistakes in their marketing, like forcing their employees to have these long-winded greetings when they pick up the phone. I get it, though, Gamestop isn't marketed towards everyone.

@HaTTrick71 We're only talking about Gamestop, so no comparisons are allowed? Interesting take, but okay! And of course, some people have had negative experiences, but that goes for all stores. I just thought it was kinda silly for some users to be like, "yeah, burn 'em all down!" when really it's not as bad as it sounds.

Plus, it makes sense that Gamestop is slowly decreasing their store volume, as we move closer to a more prominently digital distribution practice.

@Dirty0814 I'm totally on board with what you're saying about the half games released for full price. I'd say that's pretty much the worst practice in modern gaming. The standard was so much higher during the cartridge/CD days because you couldn't just email everyone a patch to fix your broken game.

@JayJ I'm an old lol. Been gaming for 30+ years. I guess it's because the local game stores other than Gamestop still exist in my area. Honestly though, I don't think it's their fault. Smaller game stores were destined to have a hard time, with the rarity of their wares forcing their prices to be much higher. Easier for people to pay $40 for a new Switch game than $80 for a rare NES game. There's still many great game stores that sell older titles near me, though.

@Pixel-Florist Sounds pretty awful. Is it a photo-sensitivity sort of thing?

@HaTTrick71 High prices? Higher than what, exactly? I've gotten some solid deals at Gamestop, even on some good retro games due to sheer luck. Heck, I got Horizon: Zero Dawn for $8, on one trip and Contra 4 for my DS for $24 on another. It's not like they are over-charging for things; their prices are in the same competitive value as other places, sales dependent.

Also, what used game place gives decent prices for trade-ins? The local place for me, Gamedude, has been around for 20+ years, and their trade in values are just as bad as Gamestop. These places have to buy you stuff for 1/3 of the sale price, at maximum. Demand/rarity also determines the price of these goods. That's why Mega Man 5 is 90+ bucks, and Mega Man 2 is around 20. Rarity and demand. Just saying, Gamestop is not the absolute worst thing that could have happened to retail games.

@Dirty0814 The digital music and movie industries say hi. People will just move to the next thing, like we always do. I won't, but I know many others will.

@JayJ Not sure how it's ruined, can you explain? I mean, the most annoying thing that's ever happened at a Gamestop for me is a fairly long line and/or being asked to preorder something. Hardly a bother.
But, "ruined the video game retail industry," sounds like a little bit of a stretch. Even still, I'd like to get your input.

All the Gamestops in my surrounding area have stellar people, so I hope they remain unaffected. I hope the company stays afloat, but it does make sense with gaming creeping towards all digital that they start to taper down. Either that or they should grab the used game industry by the balls and be the go-to place for retro games.

@Cartune Dude, really? Where did the bad Gamestop touch you, to make you so mad that you want ALL of them to go under?

Haven't bought a capcom game in years, and I plan to continue that trend, now!

Demo didn't really grab me, plus the $60 price point is way too high for a game like this.

@UmbreonsPapa I think it’s weird that if someone thinks an article is clickbait before they click it, comments on the article just to then complain, “oh man it’s clickbait!”

@Yorumi Not changing the subject, just reminding you that you are participating actively in something you dislike. When I see something I don’t like, I just keep scrolling. If clicks are the problem, participating by giving something you don’t like, “a click,” is only supporting the thing you don’t like. You keep responding to me, which means you’re giving the same article that you don’t support, more clicks. Might want to rethink your position.

@Yorumi Who made you click the article?

@RupeeClock Yep!

@PBandSmelly LOL Thank you for that.

@veesonic I always get a good laugh about that. I imagine they think they are standing up against some great evil, lol

@RupeeClock I guess the point is that if there is a law in place and you break it by circumventing it through a different website or something, the punishment will be worse.

@Optimusultimus I just put out all my torches. Close call!

@Yorumi But the headline isn't misleading. They said the facts, right off the bat. Japan will face greater renewal prices. Then they say "luckily it's not too big a jump." There's literally no dishonesty, at all. I get that there is dishonesty in games journalism elsewhere, but this isn't it, lol. They even cited where they got the information at the end of the article.