@Kingy And I'm sure at least you can agree it's incommon to include a non-unique person name on a title, especially in 2025. And that's why I believe that name received such a bad overall reception. Good day.
@Kingy "I think including your protagonist's (or antagonist's) name in the title is actually the most common naming convention" I highly doubt that, just look at any random big game list (like Steam most played), the amount of games with a character name on the title is never above 50%. Mentioning a dozen of examples don't mean much on a industry that releases 10k+ games every year.
@Kingy I never said Elliot was a bad choice for the protagonist name, but that's a totally different topic. You don't have to include the protagonist name on the game name, is actually not common to do it. Companies that do it usually do it because the character name also happen to be a marketeable name. You said people will short the whole name to just "Elliot", and like I said in the my previous message, I don't think that's gonna happen, but we will see.
"I don't think the food analogy works here because that would imply that the name is fundamentally flawed."
The analogy shows the point of view for people who criticize both the studio previous and the new game. You (and some other people here) asked why people didn't liked the name, and I explain it to you, for them those names ARE fundamentally flawed, but I didn't say they were "right". It's just an explanation for you to understand the point of view of the many people who don't like the name (and in marketing when so many people complain, it usually means something).
@Kingy I think I can provide an explanation of why people don't like the name, just please take into account that I don't really feel like turn this into an argument or something, is a subjective thing and is perfectly fine that you and some other people here like it. So I think there's 2 reason why some people don't like the name: 1-Sounds generic, there's countless of works that start with "The Adventures of" or similar, and the name "Elliot" is also pretty common. 2-It's long, people like names that are easy to remember, which is also good for marketing
Looking at your examples, in my opinion the only one that start with something as generic is Zelda, but there's at least 2 differences: 1-"Zelda" was and is an unique name, to the point that people usually refer to the franchise as just "Zelda". I don't think people will refer to this game as just "Elliot". 2-The first Zelda was released on 1986, when a name like that was less generic (same with some of your examples) and it also had no subtitle, your example is a sequel, it's more common for sequels to include subtitles to difference them.
About the study receiving criticism with their names, just think of it this way: if a restaurant undercooks food, they'll get complaints that it's raw, but if they overcook it, they'll get complaints that it's burnt—and in neither case is it the customers' fault. Some people think this name is going to one of the extremes, but as I said, it's subjective. There are many people in these comments who liked the name and that's fine. I just wanted to explain why some people didn't like it, since their opinion is also valid.
@Zufolobelisk Not all gaming community tho, Astrobot was the best rated game of the year, so those who know how the Game Awards's GOTY is elected (mostly press votes) knew it had pretty high changes to winning it. For the same reason Wukong had minimal changes.
@Zufolobelisk If you are talking about the The Game Awards, then of course a niche game will never win it, since is a press popularity contest... But I don't see a single person in this thread (writer included) stating otherwise. The thing is, there's HUNDREDS of different GOTY awards, and popularity is not a factor on all of them. Everyone can have their opinion about the best games of the year, and for this writer (and me and many other who unlike you played the game) this is definitely among them.
@WolfInSnakesClothes If you are surprised about the lack of gameplay then you didn't do enough research. All the games from these creators are first and foremost a VN, you play them for the story. That being said, the battles become bigger, longer and more complex as it progress, some of them are crazy good
"Still A Way Off"? It's already reached 93% of the PS2 sales at a much faster pace than PS2. Anyone who thinks it won't break the record has no idea how console sales work in the long term.
@SillyG That's literally how they announced the Switch. The video showed some games running on the Switch, but the focus was undoubtedly on the hardware.
@Vivianeat I also have many Switch games to play, but if the Switch 2 is capable of running those games with improved performance and loading times (like PS4 games on PS5) then that would be a huge selling point for me.
I'm currently playing Trails of Cold Steel 4 and the loading times are insufferable sometimes.
Thanks for the spoiler in the subtitle, idiots. I expected better from this site .
@Uncle_Franklin So? That's doesn't mean we are suppose to know which specific character would be choosen for each specific movie.
@Clyde_Radcliffe He mentioned Super Mario by name, so it's the same thing legally wise. After saying all that it would really not make any difference to mention Nintendo, he just wanted to sound as professional as possible.
@sixrings I don't know what made you think that they need a 50% discount to break the record. We are talking about a console that have not reduced its price in EIGHT years, and yet it keep selling well. A 30% discount would be more than enough to sell some more millions. Btw if Nintendo don't discount their games often is because they keep selling well, but we are talking about the scenario when the Switch stop selling well, so a better comparison would be the Wii Mini, which released with a whopping 60% discount. Let's not forget Nintendo main income is software, they can easily sell hardware at a minimum price in order to gain users to sell more software. Of course they don't care about the record, but selling more Switches always means more money for them
It's becoming increasingly difficult to find a new release that doesn't have performance issues on the Switch. Nintendo has stretched this generation a little too much.
I don't understand the hate in the battles, they are fun to me, and I keep discovering different strategies everytime I face people. It also make the collection more fun since it give a practical value to the cards.
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Re: Review: SHUTEN ORDER (Switch) - An Audacious Swing That Doesn't Quite Connect
That 50 hours length really discouraged me. I'm so tired of games that last longer than they should.
Re: Hands On: Forget The Name, Square Enix's New Action RPG Is A Lovely HD-2D Take On SNES-Era Zelda
@Kingy And I'm sure at least you can agree it's incommon to include a non-unique person name on a title, especially in 2025. And that's why I believe that name received such a bad overall reception. Good day.
Re: Hands On: Forget The Name, Square Enix's New Action RPG Is A Lovely HD-2D Take On SNES-Era Zelda
@Kingy "I think including your protagonist's (or antagonist's) name in the title is actually the most common naming convention"
I highly doubt that, just look at any random big game list (like Steam most played), the amount of games with a character name on the title is never above 50%. Mentioning a dozen of examples don't mean much on a industry that releases 10k+ games every year.
Re: Hands On: Forget The Name, Square Enix's New Action RPG Is A Lovely HD-2D Take On SNES-Era Zelda
@Kingy I never said Elliot was a bad choice for the protagonist name, but that's a totally different topic. You don't have to include the protagonist name on the game name, is actually not common to do it. Companies that do it usually do it because the character name also happen to be a marketeable name. You said people will short the whole name to just "Elliot", and like I said in the my previous message, I don't think that's gonna happen, but we will see.
"I don't think the food analogy works here because that would imply that the name is fundamentally flawed."
The analogy shows the point of view for people who criticize both the studio previous and the new game. You (and some other people here) asked why people didn't liked the name, and I explain it to you, for them those names ARE fundamentally flawed, but I didn't say they were "right". It's just an explanation for you to understand the point of view of the many people who don't like the name (and in marketing when so many people complain, it usually means something).
Re: Hands On: Forget The Name, Square Enix's New Action RPG Is A Lovely HD-2D Take On SNES-Era Zelda
@Kingy I think I can provide an explanation of why people don't like the name, just please take into account that I don't really feel like turn this into an argument or something, is a subjective thing and is perfectly fine that you and some other people here like it. So I think there's 2 reason why some people don't like the name:
1-Sounds generic, there's countless of works that start with "The Adventures of" or similar, and the name "Elliot" is also pretty common.
2-It's long, people like names that are easy to remember, which is also good for marketing
Looking at your examples, in my opinion the only one that start with something as generic is Zelda, but there's at least 2 differences:
1-"Zelda" was and is an unique name, to the point that people usually refer to the franchise as just "Zelda". I don't think people will refer to this game as just "Elliot".
2-The first Zelda was released on 1986, when a name like that was less generic (same with some of your examples) and it also had no subtitle, your example is a sequel, it's more common for sequels to include subtitles to difference them.
About the study receiving criticism with their names, just think of it this way: if a restaurant undercooks food, they'll get complaints that it's raw, but if they overcook it, they'll get complaints that it's burnt—and in neither case is it the customers' fault. Some people think this name is going to one of the extremes, but as I said, it's subjective. There are many people in these comments who liked the name and that's fine. I just wanted to explain why some people didn't like it, since their opinion is also valid.
Re: Feature: Nintendo Partner Direct Predictions - What Do You Expect To See?
Digimon Time Stranger please!
Re: Review: No Sleep For Kaname Date - From AI: THE SOMNIUM FILES (Switch 2) - Fun Cast, Weak Twists In This Satisfying Spin-Off
@Glassneedles Most reviewers say the game is about half the length of the previous games. Around 12 hours.
Re: Digimon Story: Time Stranger Switch 2 Listing Surfaces Online
Hell yeah, this also usually means the release should be close.
Re: Bandai Namco's Summer Showcase Promises Plenty Of Switch News Later This Week
Please Namco, I need that Digimon on Switch 2...
Re: Dave The Diver Is Getting A Free Switch 2 Upgrade "Soon", Says Mintrocket
It would be nice if you guys made mini reviews for updates like this.
Re: Opinion: Not Enough People Are Talking About This Early GOTY Contender
@Zufolobelisk Not all gaming community tho, Astrobot was the best rated game of the year, so those who know how the Game Awards's GOTY is elected (mostly press votes) knew it had pretty high changes to winning it. For the same reason Wukong had minimal changes.
Re: Opinion: Not Enough People Are Talking About This Early GOTY Contender
@Zufolobelisk If you are talking about the The Game Awards, then of course a niche game will never win it, since is a press popularity contest... But I don't see a single person in this thread (writer included) stating otherwise. The thing is, there's HUNDREDS of different GOTY awards, and popularity is not a factor on all of them. Everyone can have their opinion about the best games of the year, and for this writer (and me and many other who unlike you played the game) this is definitely among them.
Re: Opinion: Not Enough People Are Talking About This Early GOTY Contender
@WolfInSnakesClothes If you are surprised about the lack of gameplay then you didn't do enough research. All the games from these creators are first and foremost a VN, you play them for the story. That being said, the battles become bigger, longer and more complex as it progress, some of them are crazy good
Re: Gorgeous 'Trails In The Sky' Remake Gets September Release Date
There's some misinformation with the "Bracer Supply Box", that's only merchandise, it doesn't include the game with it.
Re: Random: Masahiro Sakurai Finds Success In Switch 2 Lottery
"Although he likely has a dev kit somewhere"
Just to clarify, devkits can't be used to play commercial games.
Re: Nintendo Confirms Duration For Tomorrow's Mario Kart World Direct
Crossing fingers for a story mode. It worked great on Crash Team Racing and now they have a whole open world to do it.
Re: Nintendo's Monolith Soft Updates Its Switch Portfolio With Latest Release
I had no idea there was a Xenosaga game on DS.
Re: Nintendo Switch Hardware Sales Pass 150 Million, With PS2's Record Still A Way Off
"Still A Way Off"? It's already reached 93% of the PS2 sales at a much faster pace than PS2. Anyone who thinks it won't break the record has no idea how console sales work in the long term.
Re: PlayStation Vet Shuhei Yoshida Recalls Nintendo's Scariest Announcement
They actually dropped the price $80, from $250 to $170, I remember receiving gba games and a digital certificate for being an early adopter lmao
Re: Review: ENDER MAGNOLIA: Bloom In The Mist (Switch) - An Incredibly Polished, Downbeat Metroidvania
I already finished it, it's a masterpiece.
It's also refreshing to see a new game run on Switch without any performance issues.
Re: Rumour: 'Switch 2' Will Reportedly Be Officially Revealed This Thursday
@SillyG That's literally how they announced the Switch. The video showed some games running on the Switch, but the focus was undoubtedly on the hardware.
Re: Rumour: 'Switch 2' Will Reportedly Be Officially Revealed This Thursday
@Vivianeat I also have many Switch games to play, but if the Switch 2 is capable of running those games with improved performance and loading times (like PS4 games on PS5) then that would be a huge selling point for me.
I'm currently playing Trails of Cold Steel 4 and the loading times are insufferable sometimes.
Re: Sonic The Hedgehog 'Metal Sonic' First 4 Figures Statue Revealed, Here's Another Look
Thanks for the spoiler in the subtitle, idiots. I expected better from this site .
@Uncle_Franklin So? That's doesn't mean we are suppose to know which specific character would be choosen for each specific movie.
Re: Is Elden Ring: Nightreign Coming To Switch 2? FromSoftware Knows Nothing About The Console, Apparently
@solarwolf07 This is not an Elden Ring sequel, it's a spin off.
Re: Random: PlayStation's Astro Bot Director Pays Tribute To Mario And Nintendo In GOTY Speech
@Clyde_Radcliffe He mentioned Super Mario by name, so it's the same thing legally wise.
After saying all that it would really not make any difference to mention Nintendo, he just wanted to sound as professional as possible.
Re: As Switch Closes The Gap, Sony Officially Confirms PS2 Has Sold "Over" 160 Million Units
@sixrings I don't know what made you think that they need a 50% discount to break the record. We are talking about a console that have not reduced its price in EIGHT years, and yet it keep selling well. A 30% discount would be more than enough to sell some more millions. Btw if Nintendo don't discount their games often is because they keep selling well, but we are talking about the scenario when the Switch stop selling well, so a better comparison would be the Wii Mini, which released with a whopping 60% discount. Let's not forget Nintendo main income is software, they can easily sell hardware at a minimum price in order to gain users to sell more software. Of course they don't care about the record, but selling more Switches always means more money for them
Re: Review: Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake (Switch) - Square Doesn't Drop The Ball, Just Some Frames
It's becoming increasingly difficult to find a new release that doesn't have performance issues on the Switch. Nintendo has stretched this generation a little too much.
Re: Anniversary: The Legend Of Zelda: The Minish Cap Turns 20 Today
I wouldn't put it in the top 5, but that doesn't mean it's "mid" by any means, it just so happen to be a franchise full of masterpieces.
Re: Review: Pokémon Trading Card Game Pocket (Mobile) - A Breezy, Beautiful Take On TCG, Gacha Aside
I don't understand the hate in the battles, they are fun to me, and I keep discovering different strategies everytime I face people. It also make the collection more fun since it give a practical value to the cards.
Re: Hold It! Capcom Will Premiere A "Special" Ace Attorney Intro Video At TGS 2024
Sorry folks, they already confirmed there will be no new announcements in the video.
Re: Review: WitchSpring R (Switch) - A Tasty Slice Of Whimsical RPG With Some Sour Notes
Those positives sounds way too good for a 7. It looks like a patch it's all the game need for a 9.