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@Romeo-75 Zelda fans call that the "Wind Waker" effect. I don't know your age, but when Wind Waker was first demonstrated everyone (admittedly myself included) moaned and complained about the cell shaded art. We thought it was ugly, and then we played it and realized we were so wrong.

Hold up, unless they put brand new batteries in each of these devices, it's not a fair comparison to gauge a many-years-old device against a brand new one. Batteries degrade over time.

@beazlen1 There were other games on the Wii that contributed to its success. No one game sold that system, it took the entire library of games to do it. Wii Sports contributed, it did not make it a success. There is no such thing as a "system seller" game. Zelda Breath of the Wild is even worse of than Wii Sports (in that supposed "system seller" context), I will be playing it without buying a new system!

@thesilverbrick Perhaps, I'm not really up into mobile sales. That is a different market. So, I couldn't say in that case, but here I am talking about consoles.

@Nico07 Well, I understand that perfectly. Each person is going to be different. The comes back to advertising. Nintendo seems insistent it isn't a mobile, it's a console. So you can't compare it to the Vita by that standard, you have to compare it to the XBox One and PS4. The PS4 is cheaper and more powerful. So for users like me, that are not interested in a gimmick of being able to go mobile, what reason is there to buy this instead of a PS4? Of course in my case I don't want a PS4 either, but you know if I did want a console that had nothing unique from my PC, what reason would I have to purchase this one at that price? The answer is, in that case I would be buying a PS4. I don't know why you say this is on par with XBox One, I'm pretty sure it's weaker there too.

Perhaps it is mis-marketing, perhaps they should be advertising this as the replacement to the 3DS.... but mis-marketing is one of the top 5 reasons people claim the Wii U failed. Nintendo doesn't seem to have learned a thing from their mistakes.

@sandman89 they are nearly identical. Any feature that would be unique to Wii U or to Switch was left out, including second screen (Wii U) and HD Rumble (Switch). The embargo is also still in place I think.

edit: to clarify, I think the second screen just mirrors the map, but no touch controls, like inventory in the HD remakes.

@beazlen1 Wii Sports didnt shift those units, the unique control method did. The game helped showcase those controls, but you are mis attributing the system's success.

@KraniX I said I wasn't buying it at launch, not that I wasn't ever buying it. Couldn't you spend your time more productively not berating other people for having a discussion and offering their views, preferrably on another site.

@Anti-Matter Sounds like it will be a great system for you.

@Anti-Matter Well what I meant was most of the indie games are released on PC as well as console, so they aren't why I buy consoles. There are relatively few exclusive indie titles and even fewer of those naturally would be ones I would be interested in. In the case of dual screen, that added something unique that the PC could no do, so it gave me a reason to want to buy on the Nintendo. The fact that the Switch is single screen and has nothing else unique to me over the PC is why I don't have interest in it. Understand that I am speaking of my experiences, not yours.

As for your comments on System seller games, I don't want to respond to that because I do not believe you understand the conversation we are having. Based on your comments you have completely taken that out of context, I don't believe you did it intentionally, but you need to go back and read the rather long trail to understand what we are talking about.

@MarcelRguez No. Those don't either. Mario is bigger than Pokemon (I've had that discussion on other threads before). Pokemon can not save a faltering system if the bigger Mario franchise can't. There is simply no game franchise big enough to be a "system seller" that can stave off the death of a console while it is faltering. That doesn't mean the game can't be a good thing for a system if it is succeeding. If the Switch succeeds, Mario Kart 8 will help it, but if it fails, it will not save it.

(In case you were wondering, Mario is the biggest game franchise there is based on sales numbers, on that list CoD falls behind Tetris, GTA, and Pokemon.)+

@AcesHigh I'm not saying games haven't sold systems, I'm saying games alone haven't sold systems significantly enough to make them a success.

@JaxonH I believe you are thinking too small. There are people that do that, like you did. In your view it may seem like a lot. But in the grand scheme, it's very few people that actually do that.

To me, the millions of units the Wii U sold seems like a lot. But it's not in the bigger picture. I think you overestimate the number of people that buy systems based on a single game. Sure, some people do that, but in that big picture it's very few.

@KirbyTheVampire No, I was dazzled by the uniqueness. The second screen gaming was awesome on the Wii U. There is nothing unique that interests me on the Switch. It's either a ridiculously overpriced console, or a mobile unit that I have no use for. The truth is, I have a PC which is why I like Nintendo, because they have things I can't get on PC. If I were to buy an indie title it would be on PC where I don't have to re-buy it every few years if I like enough to replay it. The switch offers little in terms of technology uniqueness (other than mobile, which I don't want) so I see no reason to buy it, especially at that cost.

@JaxonH That's exactly what I am saying. A system needs good games to sell, but games don't help a failing system. There is no guarantee that Switch will appeal to the masses, if it fails, the games won't matter anymore. No, there are no system sellers. Some people will buy a system for a game, but that is a small minority. Zelda is a popular franchise, but it isn't even Nintendo's most popular franchise (despite being my personal favorite). If you look at it objectively, Mario is a much bigger franchise, even just counting the Super Mario subset, it's bigger and even it isn't a "system seller".

@JaxonH The answer is no. Not really. I mean every good game is a point toward the system, but the games do not sell systems, not alone anyway. Mario Kart 8 can not if the system is failing, as you said Smash, Mario Kart, etc. all failed to make a substantial impact on the Wii U. The system must sell itself, games will not save it if it can't.

You said it yourself. MK couldn't save the Wii U but that was a different system. Well, if Switch begins to fail, MK8 won't save it either.

@gortsi You are right, my apologies. You did not say that. Still you don't have the right to tell people they can't have a discussion over Nintendo products or decide what is a valid discussion.

@JaxonH Or they may look at the switch and say they don't like it anymore than the Wii U, and still not buy Mario Kart 8. The truth is, one game alone will not sell a system, ever. The system has to sell itself.

@gortsi I have not flamed anyone. How can I continue what I never started.

@gortsi I haven't told anyone they can't discuss the Switch or any other Nintendo product. I asked you to stop flaming people which is against the rules.

@JamesR Yeah, I think they would have had a riot on their hands if they didn't release it on Wii U. They have been promising it for 4 years now. If they hadn't released it on Wii U I wouldn't be talking about maybe buying the switch when it comes down in price, instead I would be talking about how Nintendo was dead to me and would never buy from them again. The only thing I'm upset about is that we will never see a new Zelda title that made proper use of the Wii U gamepad, instead only remakes.

@gortsi That isn't for you to decide. If he feels he is making a discussion point, then he is free to make it.

@phantom1472 Discussion is permitted, read the community rules. The article specifically asked a question so he has a right to answer. Stop the hate already.

@Yasume I agree, though 10 is a bit excessive for a new platform. My bigger concern is I feel as though I didn't get my money's worth out of the Wii U even with the games it had, so this go round Nintendo has to prove itself before I will buy. They also have to drop the price to be consistent with it's power. It's massively too expensive for a console of that ability.

My hype is building, for Breath of the Wild on the Wii U.

Switch, not a chance.

@westman98 I seem to recall waiting for a year and a half to get games on the Wii U. You and I clearly remember differently. I'm pretty sure I'm remembering correctly. Even Nintendo blamed it's failure on the lack of games.

http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/22/8823035/nintendo-explains-why-the-wii-u-didnt-take-off-at-launch

The first sentence of this article is so biased I couldn't even get beyond it. Do you want a gaming device (sleek grey) or a ugly clown car (neon red and blue)?

@westman98 They might be disappointment that they won't be able to play new games right away since the launch line up consists of two.

It's amazing, the Wii U's downfall was largely credited to it's lack of early games, but it had some VC and backward compatibility, on top of more launch titles. This has less and people still think it is going to succeed.

@sp_initiate-001 This article says that. You can verify a statement from a statement made by the same place. I still see nothing to indicate the Ganondorf and the SSMB amiibo are compatible. At most the Nintendo site says 'tba' but that doesn't mean much since all the upcoming games say that for all amiibo.

https://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/compatibility/

I haven't found any indication that older Zelda Amiibo work, other than Wolf Link. Even the Amiibo web page doesn't show them as compatible. Anyone know if the SSMB figures do anything?

@gaga64 Well I agree with you, but it could be argued that Twilight Princess HD, despite being a remake, was the predecessor. So at least it isn't totally inaccurate depending on your perspective.

Aren't there a few games that don't "end" in that lineup (like Tetris)? How do you beat those?

Best introductory line.... EVER!

@FX102A Aside from the Super Bowl ad, I've seen nothing in the U.S. I don't know what they consider their most lucrative markets.

I like both for different reasons. I think the fact I like both is why Wind Waker is one of my favorites, it's kind of like both in one. It has the 3D aspect, but the grid based map.

@00Wyvern Just continue ignoring everything I said and make dumb comments please.

@Emperor-Palpsy But we have seen it start this way and grow increasingly worse. Right now it's an addon, next its required but you are missing key things needed to really enjoy the game, and then it become purposefully withheld features so they can include them as DLC later. It's a slippery slope.

The fact they are announcing this before the game is even out suggests it's already purposefully withheld features. Something they already planned for the game but left it out for the sole purpose of charging extra. That usually results in a terrible base game and it is very concerning.

@Emperor-Palpsy I think the big issue is they need to choose a model and stick with it. You either have a $60 AAA title or you have a $20 title with DLC.... not both. It's a way of hiding the fact they are charging $80 for a game, which is very high.

On top of that, it is a sliding slope. They test the waters like this and before you know it they will start withholding vital components of the game behind a paywall.

I dislike the DLC model even when it is more reasonably priced and The Legend of Zelda has been one of the last bastions of gaming for me. Now it is gone.

I am not paying $20 for some weak tacked on story. There is nothing interesting in that list. DLC added stories are usually terrible because they can't really interfere with the core game and have some tacked on ending (Harley Quin's Revenge anyone?). No, this is so not worth it.

@Handsomistic15 The Wii U Pro controller is the same as this except the right analog and buttons are swapped. Trust me, you will like this a lot more. The buttons and left analog are more often used so it is best to have them level with one another. The Wii U controller wasn't terrible, but it was backward and ultimately less comfortable than the 360 controller.

This is almost a near duplication of the 360 controller except the 360 has an 8-way D-pad while Nintendo is holding out with the 4 way. EDIT: That is as far as what I can see in the image, the 360 has 2 shoulder buttons and two trigger analogs as well. This may have 4 shoulder buttons instead. Based on what I'm reading it also has a built in NFC reader for Amiibo, which is probably why it is so expensive.

@Handsomistic15 Possibly because the 360 controller remains to this day, the best designed controller ever.

I've never even owned an XBox but I have one of them for my PC and never had anything better or want anything else.

So why change what works?

@Ralizah What?

These things always seem to have the absolute worst timing. I never bought the first Splatoon because the first testfire was at a terrible time. By the time the second one hit, the Wii U was dying and I wasn't going to buy a game that required servers to stay up. This one is back to the same stupid timing, not just time of day, but in the first month of the console release? So stupid.

I'll be sticking with the Disc copy.

As far as I'm concerned the Switch is the new successor to the 3DS and the Nintendo home console line appears to be dead (at least for the time being). The switch is not a home console, the article suggests its price puts it as a console but in fact it's price puts it in the portable when compared with its power. Look at laptops and tablets, portable of equivalent power has always been more expensive. So that price plus it's weak power (relative to XBox One/PS4) definitely makes it portable.

It's one thing to make a cheap but weak console, but you can't put out a console that is weaker than it's competitors and costs more. That's how you know this isn't intended to be a console. You definitely can make a more expensive portable that is slightly weaker than a console.

@Frank-The-Tank If it had real spoiler potential, Miyamoto and Aonuma wouldn't have told use in an interview a month before the game release.

I've never had a Nintendo title that I felt was so buggy it needed patching. Can't say that for a multitude of American made titles.

@Masurao No, being expensive is not a problem, being perceived as less valuable than the price you are selling for is. That is what I meant. Unless you think you are going to use the mobile function, and use it a lot, the switch's price is going to far outweigh the Switch's perceived value. It was the same way with the Wii U, even though I found the second screen gaming worth added value, not enough people did and so it didn't sell. By the time they lowered the price to match expectations, the system had been abandoned by all the 3rd party developers. I don't predict that the Switch will have a high perceived value just because it can go mobile.

It just seems like Nintendo didn't learn from their mistakes with the Wii U at all, they are repeating them all over again.

@Masurao Actually the way capitalism works is they want to sell... what sells. Time will tell but I don't think this system is going to do that any better than the Wii U because it is just too expensive. A game system less powerful that the PS4 but costs more. It's just not logical to believe this will work. Sure, Nintendo die-hards will buy it, but it won't draw a crowd. The problem is, most people on this website are Nintendo die-hards, so gauging by responses here isn't a good measure.

@CliveWinston I have no idea. I mean I wasn't saying the current option should go away, just that there should be both options available. I mean there is a 3DS and a 2DS because of different markets. Some people just can't understand that everyone's needs aren't exactly like their own.

@Abem Exactly. I live in a small apartment, I could take my Wii U to my bed but I don't. I never even used the off TV function. I have a 50" HDTV, why the hell would I play exclusively on an 8" screen?

I own a 3DS, but when I played it I was sitting in front of my TV in my recliner, which is why I know I don't want another mobile. I consider the 3DS a waste of my money and I can honestly say I regret buying it. It never leaves my apartment.

Just because you don't understand the market doesn't mean it isn't there. I can guarantee you it is more than 10 people, so just stop trolling.

@westman98 Yeah but what I mean by that is, with Zelda being the only first party title to launch and also being available on the Wii U, many people will wonder why they should buy a Switch if they already have a Wii U. Those that don't have a Wii U and see it as a must-have game might bite, but I'm betting most Wii U owners will either buy anything Nintendo pushes or will wait till there is something substantial... if they buy it at all.

We saw what happened to the Wii U with a poor initial lineup and this lineup seems less somehow. If it doesn't sell right out of the gate, it will get abandoned quickly and Zelda being dual launch and it's only first party title hurts it's ability to sell, at least some.

@aaronsullivan Does Zelda even count? It's a dual release, so technically it's a port of a Wii U game like Twilight Princess was.