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@TheLZdragon Well hey now.. we don't need a Switch for that..

@TheLZdragon I'll personally handwrite it and post it with a picture of my Switch on March 3rd.. got to build the suspense ^.^

@TheLZdragon They clearly sent this to the wrong Alex. I would have had a dog for scale!

"nope. i don't believe you do see my opinion. you are merely attacking. your agenda is showing, lad."

hahaha my agenda to let people enjoy what they want?
Yep you nailed it, great work on your part lol

"if you truly don't care what others think, we may as well do away with any attempts at debate or conversation about anything. the gods forbid you might see another's point of view as valid even whilst disagreeing with it."

And also I'm okay with this, wrong person to try this approach lol
There's no 'not seeing your point of view', I see it just fine. I just A) don't care and B) would not like your personal opinion to have any impact whatsoever on what I enjoy.

Same goes for everyone else with a personal agenda they'd like to push.

"how far do you go with the not caring whatever is in a game/movie/book/whatever? are only those in favour of something allowed to have and voice an opinion?"

How far? Oh I go all the way
My entertainment options just shouldn't be impacted by anyone's personal beliefs.

There's a certain segment of the population that will be offended by anything, and collectively I don't care what any of them think.

"If certain elements are done in a way which does not appeal to you, just skip this title, but don't think that you should be making that decision for others."

Amen to this

Compared to Sony's maintenance issues, not very many people are complaining at all. ie. why hardly any other sites are reporting this, and the only 'rage' is on a Nintendo site. When Sony has issues, nearly every video game site is lit up by Microsoft fanboys, and vice versa.

There are also not many people 'demanding' free things, or even asking for them.

As for you Webby, you can rationalize your actions however you wish. If I were disappointed by a company upholding a cultural mentality I disagreed with, as you stated, I would not jump at the first opportunity to benefit from such actions. That's just me - obviously we have very different mentalities and I don't care, or think its worth my time, to convince you one way or the other.

Did people deserve the ambassador program? Nothing was taken from them, so I'm guessing you were disappointed with that too?

Your misunderstanding lies in your belief that a business needs to financially harm you in order to reach out and make amends. Thankfully no successful business operates in such a fashion, even the most simple examples (restaurants, grocery stores, online retailers).

Yet you admit you would happily take advantage of Nintendo's compensation. So you're disappointed with the stereotypical consumer mentality, you just enjoy reaping the benefits of it?

Good to see you proudly stand behind your beliefs.

The mentality already exists - you just admitted this. Nintendo has already compensated fans for their mistakes, ie. the ambassador program.

So you'd be disappointed in Nintendo for complying with the mindset of the consumers, of which they cannot change?

Yes, much better for companies to take the 'deal with it' approach, because customer service is meaningless is a capitalistic society.

Well duh, it requires a PS+ subscription, of which they also gave away. They still gave away a product at a certain value for consumers.

And nobody cares about what you downloaded. My question was: what problems arose from their compensation?

And what problems might those be?

Sony offered a ton of stuff when PSN went down for a long period of time and I can't recall what problems arose from that.

You'd be disappointed in Nintendo for offering some sort of compensation for their mistake?

Oh lord.

If you only like Nintendo games, sure.

Like video games in general? Yeah you're going to miss out on a ton.

Hahaha so many defensive people here

If Nintendo does quickly launch a new console, the backtracking by the members of this site will be epic.

This is going to be a long petition-filled generation.

Of all people, why would I be envious? lol

I admitted in your thread that I sometimes play games on easy just to finish them. I am hardly concerned about my 'gamer skill'. In fact I don't think I've ever claimed to be really great at any game, because I really don't care to be.

But continue thinking everyone looks up to you because you have these self-proclaimed 'elite skills'. I'm sure your friends and people on this site really care as much as you think they do.

You are right, I will likely never understand things from a perspective of a self-identified 'hardcore gamer'.

I play games to have fun, not because I take them super seriously and worry about impressing my friends with my elite skills. lol

Using the lack of a save feature as a reason why games were better..

hahaha

My copy is coming in Tuesday, woot woot.

@Emblem I think you missed the part where the dev directly referenced the console being underpowered. Not sure why you think it is irrelevant.

Crysis 3 can also be played on five year old hardware, but there's no point in putting it on the Wii U. Its a hyperbole, but the point still remains. With your logic, the Wii U's strength shouldn't keep it from receiving any PC games.

This looks to be a game that Wii U owners may really want to support..

@Morphtorok Well I planned on getting the XL (don't remember what that launched at though). I'll still probably buy one soon because seemingly everyone is playing AC right now, and I want to join in on the fruit picking and such. It will just kill me when I go Black Friday shopping and see that thing for $150 + a game.

@3Daniel A 3DS would require fragmenting their dev teams. Its not like console games are easily ported to handheld hardware. They would have to separate their devs into separate teams for every game, which is not an efficient way of developing games.

Same goes for the Wii U. If it were architecturally similar to the other consoles, ports would be considerably easier. Instead, much more work has to go into a Wii U port, than a PS4 to X1 port. Therefore its not feasible unless the game will be a guaranteed success, which isn't much of a promise on either Nintendo platform at the moment. As stated in this article.

@PersonAboveMe

There is proof. Go google 'next gen console comparison' and you will see the hardware in addition to evaluations made by people that understand the hardware. There are a few people here that believe the Wii U is just as powerful, but they have no source so there's no reason to believe them over everyone in the actual industry.

Congratulations to the four members with good videos
_{who is the fifth, nobody will ever know}
Also I haven't even bought a 3DS yet, waiting till that thing goes on sale.
_{And finally I hope you know each of my villagers will be trained in the art of jiu jitsu. They'll have no mercy on you.}

@TBD Here is a dev saying they may not release a game because the Wii U is underpowered. The user in question maintains that the Wii U is near equivalent in power (technically superior somehow) and this will not deter devs.

That is seemingly relevant for this article. lol
Edit: I suppose I can just link this next time this subject comes up..

_{Not sure what that's all about, but come on now :/ — TBD}

@Pod lmao no. Those are not better looking than PC games. I think you mean 'best looking on decade old hardware' in which case you'd be correct. A lot of us have moved on since then.

"One game with poor sales can ruin a company as seen hundreds of times last gen."

lol. I think you meant thousands, maybe even millions or gazillions.

@uberluigi So you never supported them, you just purchased all three games of their largest non-sports franchise

That is very admirable of you.

Where is my free Animal Crossing in America. The land of freedom. Does nintendolife not like freedom or something

Actually never mind, I am too lazy to make a video

@Yorumi Most people with the Wii either A) never bought games or B) only bought Nintendo games.
The attach rate was horrible.

Also other platforms are seeing just as much, if not more indie support. So your whole 'I'm glad I'm not seeing these games' stance is interesting, nicely put.

@HappyHappy Yes, seemingly good excuses.

Their engine not running well on the platform, the lack of an audience, and the fractioning up of dev teams required to maintain Wii U support are all very good excuses. lol

@theadrock13 Talk about a drastic measure. lol. That would probably be the most shocking move in the history of the industry. Not that it wouldn't be beneficial in the long run, but there would certainly be a lot of pissed off Wii U owners.

Also best avatar on the site, hands down. lol

Of course, they go where the money's at. Which is what they should do.

I love people that blame them for not wasting money on a non-profitable product.

^ And perhaps conquer them

Once I build my empire I will post pics of me conquering other towns

Mike looks like a garden man

Am I right on that one?

Its nice to finally see Nintendo join the 21st century and release something like this.

Who buys a new GPU for their PC every other year? lol. I'll let you know how I'm doing with my gtx 670 sli in four or five years. <3

Also, do not care to see this happen.

Free to play? Hey some mobile games do that!

@TBD I've always assumed its because people know I hate proofreading and therefore their way of punishing me is by making me re-read my posts several times to make sure I didn't say these things. : (

@JQuest Well with any company the goal is to become more profitable, nobody is ever happy with their current level of success. I can recognize it would be a huge change though and there isn't enough evidence to warrant that shift at the moment.

Re: edit. Thanks the respect is mutual!

@Yorumi Nintendo execs say Nintendo hardware is good and they don't plan on abandoning it for mobile platforms? Yes, that would make sense for them to say.

@HeatBombastic I agree with everything there.

@LDXD There are no buttons, that is correct. There are DS games on tablets and phones that work just fine though, magically.

How important is the control scheme in Pokemon? I have faith Nintendo could make it work. lol

@Akira Nobody here is bashing Nintendo. There are people saying Nintendo would be more profitable somewhere else. Everyone seems to think Nintendo would be admitting defeat by not producing hardware, when that's not the case.

@LDXDAgain Nobody is asking them to create a phone or tablet. lol.

@Yorumi Nobody said anything about Nintendo making their games $1. lol. If my mindset aligns with people actually in the industry though, and not people on this site that somehow know everything about developing games, I'm okay with that. Even if it is Molyneux. lol

@JQuest Once they switched from their own devices to ios and android devices, they'd no longer be ports though. They'd be strictly developing for ios and android, which have proven to be fairly easy platforms to develop for. This is going to be a circular argument though, because we have no idea what the actual development time would change by, how much they would save on R&D versus how much they make from hardware sales, etc. A lot of this is us just estimating and disagreeing over our estimates, for instance, how difficult it is to manage apps across multiple versions of android.

As for the prices (which is where I think that Aces fellow is going on about), this is another thing that requires a lot of guesswork. The assumption here seems to be that they would need to charge the same price as now and therefore nobody would buy $35 apps, but that's illogical. Paying absolutely nothing for producing and distributing their games would save them a lot of money, and there would be no used game market to take sales from. (Though Nintendo isn't anti-used games so this may be another reason they don't like this direction)

@Yorumi I never saw you quote that, there's just one sentence in your last post on my screen. That doesn't change much from my original post though, Nintendo would definitely be in the top percentage of developers. Now if we knew how profitable the top 5% or so was, and then compared that to how profitable Nintendo is subtracting production, distribution, etc. then we could get somewhere. Until then I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on the level of success they would have with that market. There's only one franchise as popular as Pokemon, and Angry Birds turned into a worldwide phenomenon. If they could tap into that popularity at a higher price, good things would happen for them.

@LDXD We're talking about two different things here. I was referring to them putting all of their handheld support behind android and ios devices and discontinuing handheld hardware. This is a much more broader issue, but looking towards the future, there are so many handheld devices capable of playing games, it will become increasingly harder to sell people a device that primarily only plays games.

Also I apologize for the spelling or grammatical errors, but I am too lazy to proofread at the moment. lol

@Yorumi Yes, I pulled stats out of your link, but never looked at it.

Do you want to share this great wealth of knowledge I'm missing and show me the light? lol

_{knock it off, you're not as bad as him but you're getting there — TBD}

@Yorumi You mean stats like World of Goo reaching one million downloads? lol.

There are no stats there that help either of us. Of course some devs are not going to be profitable, and others are. You seem to be thinking that Nintendo would be considered just another dev in a sea of ios and android devs, which is what we're primarily disagreeing on.

They would be the largest mobile dev force in the industry. Comparing them to small devs that make a majority of these games is useless. And even then, some of those devs are wildly successful.

That link also does nothing to support your claim that only a tiny percentage of apps make any profit whatsoever..

@Yorumi Do you believe Nintendo would be near the average when thrown in with other mobile games? Especially when it comes to names like Mario and Pokemon, which have an incredibly notable brand power?

@Aces I'll be honest, I'm not reading all that. lol

@LDXD Resources towards handhelds and consoles are not shared. They have different devs, making different games. And yes, I am confident enough in Nintendo's games and brand power to assume they would stand apart from most mobile games and be profitable. Surprisingly, everyone seems to think less of Nintendo than I do.

@Aces You are arguing a point that has never been made. lol. Nobody is comparing Nintendo games to cheap $1 mobile games, calm down.

@Raylax Thanks for the support, it is appreciated. <3

Well whether you like them or not is irrelevant. I personally don't like MGS games either..

They'll each sell millions though and bring people to their systems, which is relevant. Having these heavy hitters has a huge impact on a system's library.