AlexSays

That's two months.

Before that, 14 of the previous 19 weeks came with more than one game.

When it goes a week without raining in your neighborhood, you must go nutty over your grass. lol

Those 1 game weeks are going to be normal from now onwards sadly.

No and every time someone says this I slap my forehead.

People thought that last year and then we started getting 3-4 games a week again.

It's not going to stay like this. If Nintendo released 10 games a week for two weeks, would you think that would never change as well?

Might be my first Bplus game.

Chicken Brutus has summed up 99% of everyone's thoughts ('cept Dazza he's weird).

Which is why this is a terrible idea unless it doesn't cost them too much money.

Is that an evil rabbit in the first picture?

I'm not 100% sure of what's going on here but it sounds nice.

I'm glad I started this. Let's all be mods!
(bans everyone I don't like)

But really I don't think it's as glamorous as some people think.
You have to be careful of what you say because you now help represent the site and the only real "power" is managing the content of offensive posts, which sounds tedious.

I threw my name in the hat as a joke but it's nice to see it's a highly sought out position. lol
(and in no way does that mean Corbie uses a hat and scraps of paper to pick mods)

@ Objection_Blaster -- I never said which nation!
(Saves self)

Thank god for the recession

See this is what brings down the national average IQ.

You're too kind.

Foots in the door!

How would we know if we are a mod or not? Am I a mod by chance?

You'd know if you were picked to help manage the site. lol
Mods are users that can moderate others, as in deleting offensive posts, etc etc.
But since the site doesn't sport too many members as of yet (and most here are fairly well-mannered), I'm not sure Dazza Corbie and friends need any help.

@ Objection_Blaster -- Well of course I'm using more lols.
2009 is the year of change!

@ Corbie -- So I just have to win you over?
In that case I take back that thing about me banning you.

......

And your avatar is lovely.

Abrasive? Oh hell no.
When I become a mod you'll be the first to go.

...Mods can ban other mods, right?

I'm actually slightly repulsed by Corbie's new avatar.

Not sure why he can't pick a cute and cuddly one like mine.

I download Sandy Beach? Heck no.
I live right by a beach and I never even play with that one. lol

Yeah but Sandy Beach sounds warm and inviting.
Cave Story sounds dark and scary. (Who likes caves?)

Oh well, we'll see.
But we have to remember, by the time Cave Story comes out, there'll be several more games on the WiiWare service, so it'll be even harder to crack the top 20.
And yes Snoopy is great.

Cave Story won't even break the top 20.

@ Objection_Blaster -- Nintendo of course.
Nobody has made as many quality games as Nintendo has over the years.
It's not even close.

It's like Nintendo is here and number two is................. way over here.

Another game from the second best developer on the planet?
That's good news for everyone.

even better than brawl on wii (brawl was hoppless)

No it wasn't.
Brawl just had things called jumps in the form of hops.
You can press the jump button and call it a hop if you like.

For a studio their size, you can't expect every game to be a winner

You mean being the biggest independent developer on the planet?
Are they too big now or something? lol

And sacrificing quality to pop out a bunch of games doesn't exactly work in their favor either.

@ Objection_Blaster -- It's to trick the new people.
They're all like "Oh that Alex fellow seems nice" and then BAM!

@ tatemon555 -- Because I'm such a kind, caring, compassionate, and loving person.
Or so I've been told.

They have a better track record than many WW developers.

Yeah but that doesn't make them great. It just means the others suck. lol
Look at Gameloft. Are they a solid developer or just mediocre?
You said mediocre, right? Great me too.
Yet they've given us (according to this site) better games than High Voltage.

When High Voltage started announcing all these new games, people thought they'd be the next best developer on the Wii.
That hasn't happened.
They need one AWESOME game to make people say "Wow those guys are good".
That hasn't happened and until it does they are right there with Gameloft, Bplus etc.

High Voltage needs a stand-out game to lift themselves up to the same level as Frontier, Two Tribes, 2D Boy, and even the big guys at Hudson.

Holy bananas.
Free? That's crazy.

They get screwed by pirates and they STILL pass up an opportunity to make more money?
Either they're just nice guys or they're doing some hefty advertising for their next game.

So he likes the game people thought he criticized?
Well that's nice.
If his words weren't misinterpreted in the first place this wouldn't be a big issue.

Is there any story or different endings with each character?

I didn't even play the game and I can answer that one. lol
No there is not. Glad I could help.

He should be getting ready for the Easter Beagle!

And skip Valentines Day?
That's crazy talk.

So it's just like Gyrostarr.
Good enough to get by but nothing spectacular.

Once again High Voltage can't make that one stand-out game. Until they do that they're just a mediocre developer.
Looks like their next chance will be The Conduit.

And Snoopy's Christmas lasts year-round.

Now that we know Nintendo looks at the site you decide to slap them with a "FAIL", Dazza?
I'd be more like "Our site has been blessed by the almighty power!"

And Hot Rod WILL disappoint.
You heard it here first, folks.

20 or 30?
You're going to be disappointed. lol

This won't be a long game guys.
Memory limitations + great graphics + extra replay value = Short game.
There might be 15 levels taking a couple hours if you take your time.
Expecting anything more is silly.

And I'm working on the avatar thing but THIS is nothing.
My Christmas lights are still up! lol

@ Ricardo91 -- A hint?
Like it's a number between one and one hundred? lol

He's not going to tell anyone exactly how many levels there are.
That'd be silly.

Stop asking.

Sounds AWESOME.... except for one little thing...

He completely blew off the "length" question.
Which leads me to believe that the length of the game will be another thing this game shares with Lost Winds.

Oh well, I'm still looking forward to it.

Oh wow, I didn't even see this. lol

Nice to see people actually read my comments!

I don't get this debate at all. Clearly you misinterpreted the original hype behind the WW service. It is supposed to be about encouraging 3rd party, indie developers. How would that work if they decide to drop even a few great ninty developed bombshells

Ding! Ding! Ding!
This person is correct.
It's not even a debate because those who say "No" are wrong.
Anybody who disagrees with what Ren said is wrong.

@ Terranigma
Yes that would hurt a lot.
Games like MaBoShi and Art Style are fine because they don't overshadow other games.
A game like Mario or Zelda would completely overshadow any other game on the service.
Heck, they made sure they released Pokemon as soon as possible so they didn't release it when there were a ton of games. That's why Nintendo's two biggest titles came so early, because Nintendo didn't want competition to suffer.
And even with that precaution, I'm sure Toki Tori felt the affects.

Some people aren't even happy with WiiWare sales as is.
You think they want to compete with Nintendo?
Nintendo is serving the service best by completely ignoring it.

Anyone who thinks Mario or Zelda on WiiWare is a good idea must hate games like World of Goo. Because those kind of developers would not compete with Nintendo on Nintendo's home turf.

What are you people talking about?
Did you miss the part where Nintendo said this would be for third-party developers?
Who would make a game that had to compete with Mario and Zelda? NOBODY!

This isn't a tough one, guys.

Another High Voltage game that won't live up to the hype?
I can't wait.

ill buy it just to support High Voltage for there great games like this the conduit, animales, and evasive space

Lol.
The games they've released have been so mediocre, you had to use games that aren't even out yet.

I hate Uno.

They have even begun TAKING OUT features as of late.
Like?

I'm hoping there's not another alternate account...

I'd buy Mario Football.
Can you imagine playing on one of the planets from Galaxy?

Unfortunately I don't think Nintendo will ever make an American football game.
The idea would have to fly with Nintendo of Japan and I hear they aren't really football enthusiasts.

@ Thatoneguy - Nice alternate account.

@ Stuffgamer1 - Well choosing 2k9 over NBA Live 09 just means they have good taste. lol
2K has always been the better series but Live has significantly closed the gap.

As for changing sports games adequately, what would your friends like changed?
They're realistic sports sims, they're SUPPOSED to be the same game every year. Which is why some people appreciate the little things EA and 2K do besides the normal upgrades.

See with other genres you can do all sorts of different things. Platformers, shooters, RPGs, they can all be entirely different from another game in the same genre. They can change everything, story, characters, setting, etc.

What can you change in a sports sim?
You can't change the core gameplay at all.
The only thing you can do is tweak the controls, provide new options/modes, and improve on what you've already done.
Most of the time little things take it from being just more than a little upgrade.

Madden 09 was a HUGE step up from Madden 08 on the Wii.
A 5-on-5 mode was a Wii-exclusive, and it was a fun little mode to play if you didn't feel like playing a whole game.
The controls actually WORKED. lol
That may seem like an obvious thing but believe me when I say, in Madden 08 you flicked your wrist one way and hoped for the best. lol
The online was vastly improved. Only been kicked out of a handful of games this year, kicked out of about a hundred last year.

EA basically looks at their game each year and says "What should we improve and what's something new we can add".
If they just wanted to ship the same game as before, they wouldn't bother trying new things. (Dynamic NBA, Be a Pro, 5-on-5)
If you're expecting another football sim when Madden gets released, you won't be disappointed.
I don't know how much people want EA to change games based on reality. The only thing they can do is fix whatever was wrong with the last one. Them adding new stuff is just icing on the cake.

Heck, look at the sales.
If EA really did just release the SAME games don't you think people would learn by now?
Because sales haven't dropped one bit, and if Nintendo released Galaxy each year for the next five years, I'm not sure it could say the same.

Well AlexSays which game should I get for the Wii, FIFA '09, PES '08, or PES '09?

FIFA 09 for sure.
Better in almost every department and has the licensing for all the players, teams, etc.

You could wait to see how PES 09 does but that's two months away and it won't be anything more than what FIFA 09 has to offer.
Besides, there's quite a few people that think the PES series is becoming quite stale.

@ Mickeymac

Make sure it's either the 360 or PS3 version! Hopefully you own one of those two consoles.
EA is doing their best but a great basketball game on the Wii is going to be near-impossible.
So far they've come up short with both attempts.
Madden 09 and FIFA 09 are excellent games though, on any platform.

@ Pablo17

No you're right.
Most people have been surprised about it's sales.
But for some reason when Moore shows his surprise, people want to jump all over him.

@ Stuffgamer1

I just hate the false stereotype spread by people who never touch the games. Everyone says it's the same game every year, and those who actually buy/enjoy these games get tired of it.

How would people know if the game has changed without playing?
It's just crazy.

And I respect your view of Moore.
His "WTF" thing can certainly be taken as over-the-top. I still believe his overall tone has been taken out of context but unless we go straight to the source there is no definitive answer.

His/EA's actual game though is quite good. Of course if you're not a sports fan, you won't be as enthused, but it did a lot for the genre.
In fact, I'd say FIFA 09 did a lot more for the sports genre than a game like Gears did for it's respective genre. A game like that should certainly be praised, even if by the minority.

Nintendo Power gave NBA live 09 a 4/10 and i dont think thats better than 08

You're still COMPLETELY ignoring FIFA and Madden?
Both of which are great on the Wii.

I already said basketball games don't work on the Wii.
That's why people judge from the 360/PS3 versions.

I'm sorry I can't dumb this down enough for you to understand.

As i said before ive played NBA 09 live, and Madden 09

You never said that.
You said you DIDN'T play those games and then you quickly backpedaled.

If anyone on this site actually takes your posts seriously I'd very much like to know. lol

updated roster aint “new”
Yes actually they are.
The concept isn't new but the extent to which XBL and PSN carry it out are brand new.
Never before has extensive stat-tracking changed attributes on a consistent basis, and trades/ FA releases changed immediately.

I know you don't care because you're not interested in playing the games.
So you've criticized games you've never played.

You're certainly not helping yourself.
People don't take you seriously as it is, but come on...

As for the reviews, they were a lot better than the previous game.
There's a reason why avid sports-gamers have all talked about the gap closing between NBA Live and NBA2K.

Heck, the Wii reviews are even better and everyone knows a basketball game on the Wii is a lost cause.

What I find funny is you've only mentioned NBA Live, which received the weakest upgrades, and skip around Madden and FIFA which have been considered two of the best games, on any platform, in all of last year.

I do play EAs sports games and personally they suck and are barely new every year they come out which is a bad thing

So before you said you didn't play them but now you do?
Awesome, credibility gone!
I no longer feel the need to explain anything further to you, and don't expect me to take you seriously on this site.

most of those things you listed are improved

What?
What are you talking about?
All those are new.
Those are all BRAND new things.

Did you completely miss the link saying how the game is a MASSIVE step forward for the franchise?
And that's just NBA LIve.
Madden and FIFA both had even more new stuff.

recieving “pretty much” the same game every year gets old

It's not the same game!
That's coming from someone who actually plays them.
You don't play them so what do you know?

• New Pick n' Roll controls
• "Dynamic NBA", the rosters are updated regularly to correspond with what's happening in the NBA.
• Player attributes are updated online. Dwayne Wade has a great week? His stats are going up!
• New play-calling option. Press a button while dribbling and four options come up each representing a different player corresponding to the position of the player.
• Improved team support. Simple controls have players set screens, open a lane, etc.
• "Be a Pro" mode in which you take your player online for a little one-on-one.
• 5 on 5 online. with ratings given based on your performance.

That's not including the assumed upgrades...

• Graphics, presentation.
• Improved AI, online

That's why some have even said...

"NBA Live 09 is a massive step forward for the franchise, and, in some ways, for sports games in general."

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Hope that was helpful and you're welcome.

@ Objection_Blaster -- Yes that was the point. lol

considering FIFA 07 is just like 08 and 09 but maybe slightly improved...same goes for Maddens and NBA lives

No you're wrong.
It's okay because you don't play those games but if you did you'd know you're wrong.

If I want to play sports I'll go outside and do so.

So if you like taking space ships and flying around the galaxy blowing up things, why don't you just go outside and do so?

...Oh never mind.

Oh well, still a damn good list, that there is!

Yeah I was impressed.
You never know how "Top XX" lists are going to go but that one was rather nice.