The New3Ds is an optional upgrade. People seem to be forgetting that. I personally wish it was a "New Generation" and released in 2016 but since it is an optional upgrade we probably won't see the next gen until 2017 or 18. Maybe they are doing this upgrade to allow more time for the fusion idea.
The next Pokemon isn't going to be exclusive, it is just going to have some enhancements on the New3DS. They aren't going to make too many exclusives, if they were then they would be using this as the next generation. Everyone is so worried about what this means without thinking through logically or looking at the facts.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
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Oh the game exclusively thing. I think people are making more out of it then they should. Nintendo isn't just going to lock all new games to the New 3DS just... because.
The only games that will exclusive will be games that literally can not exist on existing 3DS hardware (like Xenoblade Chronicles). Its not arbitrary. So if the choices are 'release a game I can't play yet because I don't have the new hardware yet' or 'don't make the game at all'. I'm going to choose the first option all day.
Some things are arbitrary. (Nintendo cares more about Amiibo than supporting the Circle Pad Pro for Smash - even if only one or the other is possible they should leave that choice to the player - I am presuming the portal type device is going to use irda).
....The "New" system isn't a new generation console...
This. It's not a new console, it's like the DSi.
Although I really don't blame people for getting confused, New 3DS is an even more confusing name than Wii U, whoever keeps coming up with these names needs to be fired.
YES!!! Fired because really these names. Or maybe they're having foreing language syndrome (where the dumbest and simplest of words sound so amazing because they're from a language you're not really familiar with).
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....The "New" system isn't a new generation console...
This. It's not a new console, it's like the DSi.
Although I really don't blame people for getting confused, New 3DS is an even more confusing name than Wii U, whoever keeps coming up with these names needs to be fired.
YES!!! Fired because really these names. Or maybe they're having foreing language syndrome (where the dumbest and simplest of words sound so amazing because they're from a language you're not really familiar with).
Fine, then it's the local marketing that's to blame. Still, someone really dropped the ball on this one.
the N3DS is clearly not another 3DS in fact more akin to a next gen system perhaps like an 8.5 gen system but it's clearly not a 3DS 4.1/4.2.
Just like how the Iphone 5S clearly isn't a Iphone 5?
Or like how the N64DD clearly isn't a N64?
Or like how the Wii Mini clearly isn't a Wii?
None of these are considered next-gen leaps by any means. The Iphone 5S is not a Iphone 6, the N64DD was not the GameCube, the Wii Mini was not the WiiU etc...
The thing is your examples are not really explaining your point.
The 64b DD is an accessories for example is an accessory that allows the N64 to play propitiatory 600MB magneto-optical disk's.
The Wii Mini is a revision of the Wii pretty much akin to the DS lite DSi/XL is to the DS.
the N3DS is to the 3DS is akin to the PS4 to the PS3.
Better yet a PS2 to the PS1
The PS2 has faster processing than the PS1 yet it still plays most PS1 games & use all PS1 accessories including controllers memory cards multitap ect, ect, ect.
Yet that backwards compatibility doesn't stop it from being a whole new system engineered from scratch to make it a new system.
The N3DS is pretty much the exact same thing a whole new system engineered from scratch with new processing power & all, not a 3DS revision where the custom chips have never been updated.
Just like every next gen system the N3DS has more processing power as it's predecessor.
Just like the Wii U to the Wii
The xBone to the xBox 360
the PS4 to the PS3
They all full on successors to the previous system.
The New3Ds is an optional upgrade. People seem to be forgetting that. I personally wish it was a "New Generation" and released in 2016 but since it is an optional upgrade we probably won't see the next gen until 2017 or 18. Maybe they are doing this upgrade to allow more time for the fusion idea.
The next Pokemon isn't going to be exclusive, it is just going to have some enhancements on the New3DS. They aren't going to make too many exclusives, if they were then they would be using this as the next generation. Everyone is so worried about what this means without thinking through logically or looking at the facts.
If any game exist that can only be played on the New 3ds and not the old 3ds, then it IS a new generation. If games become exclusive, it is not an optional upgrade. We're not forgetting anything.
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The thing is your examples are not really explaining your point.
My point is that minor changes in the hardware does not equal being a generation above or below the current one.
By that logic the Wii Mini would be a "past-generation system" during gen 7 since it took away all online capabilities, SD card support, one USB port, all GameCube ports & the availability to play GC games.
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The PSP 2000 and 3000 as a note increased specs, at least in the case of doubling the RAm, I think there were a few games that even required the increase of RAM and wouldn't run on the 1000 correctly. My memory may be incorrect.
The New3Ds is an optional upgrade. People seem to be forgetting that. I personally wish it was a "New Generation" and released in 2016 but since it is an optional upgrade we probably won't see the next gen until 2017 or 18. Maybe they are doing this upgrade to allow more time for the fusion idea.
The next Pokemon isn't going to be exclusive, it is just going to have some enhancements on the New3DS. They aren't going to make too many exclusives, if they were then they would be using this as the next generation. Everyone is so worried about what this means without thinking through logically or looking at the facts.
If any game exist that can only be played on the New 3ds and not the old 3ds, then it IS a new generation. If games become exclusive, it is not an optional upgrade. We're not forgetting anything.
It is not a new generation so stop saying it is. Xenoblade Chronicles is one game. By your logic the DSi would have been a new gen, which it wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Believe what you want but I assure you, updating the processing power does not make it a new gen. Nintendo of Japan would know better than all of you if it was a new gen but they haven't said it is. So stop it already. Move on.
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I've got a feeling it's more of a new generation than most are willing to admit, regardless of how it's presented. As much as people are trying to present it as something of an iteration - perhaps even nintendo itself - the fact that there's new hardware, new control input and significant new performance makes phasing out the 3ds in favour of the n3ds more likely. This is not about a generational gap, it is about transitioning - perhaps nintendo decided that iterations are better businesses than generations? ps2 to ps1 is an excellent example: one is just capable of much more, they just happen to be backwards compatible.
It is a needed system refresh to extend the life of the brand. I think Nintendo is going to try to retire the wiiu and the 3ds around the same time so the next gen will have the similar os in place without having to shoe horn it. I get the folks that don't want to buy one just because they have a 3ds or just bought a 3ds but I think it makes sense from a business perspective. Especially since they can't go back to the drawing board as often as say a smart phone developer.
This is another possibility, I think. After nintendo merging their handheld and console development units this seems the most likely scenario. If the next nintendo machine is a handheld/portable that has a hub at home for connecting the experiences we're all going to act like we're amazed, but we can see it coming.
By the way, did anyone notice how the 3ds is now, in terms of control setup and input and even hardware, essentially a standalone wii u gamepad?
If any game exist that can only be played on the New 3ds and not the old 3ds, then it IS a new generation. If games become exclusive, it is not an optional upgrade. We're not forgetting anything.
So, does that mean you consider the DSi to be a new generation? With the introduction of DSiWare/the online store and what not. Those games were unplayable on the DS/DS Lite since they didn't have online stores. There were even a few retail exclusives, it seems.
If you're going to consider the N3DS a new generation to the 3DS, then you should consider the DSi a new generation as well, then, not a revision. The DSi had exclusive games as well that made use of the cameras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DSi#Software_library) and had the online store (DSiWare) that the DS/DS Lite lacked.
I don't know, I skipped all of the DSs. Did the DSi have exclusive games then? (Which and how many?)
It had exclusives. Afaik the DSi shop was exclusive, but don't quote me on that (I skipped the DS generation too). I think some of the retail releases were exclusive too. http://www.giantbomb.com/nintendo-dsi-exclusive/3015-3774/games/
Looks like only three retail releases.
My SD Card with the game on it is just as physical as your cartridge with the game on it.
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I actually think that, Xenoblade aside, most of the exclusives won't be a big deal...unless Nintendo really is trying to phase out the old model due to patent issues...
It is not a new generation so stop saying it is. Xenoblade Chronicles is one game. By your logic the DSi would have been a new gen, which it wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Believe what you want but I assure you, updating the processing power does not make it a new gen. Nintendo of Japan would know better than all of you if it was a new gen but they haven't said it is. So stop it already. Move on.
Thing is the N3DS has one common thing thing that all next gen always have, faster processing power.
Your saying that by my logic that it makes the DSi next gen over the DS would be false as the DSi has the exact same processing power as previous DS models have the exact same chip that houses the exact same 67MHz/33MHz processors as previous systems thus makes it really only a minor update to the DS.
If it's just of the shelf components like NFC & extra controls then it would only make it just another 3DS, yet on the other hand as it has faster processors with custom specs that took a lot of development effort, which would make the other updates only a weekend project compared.
By your logic that a faster processors does not make it next gen would make say the PS2 really a minor update to the PS1.
It's neither a simple hardware revision nor a next-gen console. It seems more like the Gameboy Color: an upgraded buffer console, in other words. Same gen, but somewhat different internally.
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