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19Robb92

Kawaiipikachu wrote:

the N3DS is clearly not another 3DS in fact more akin to a next gen system perhaps like an 8.5 gen system but it's clearly not a 3DS 4.1/4.2.

Just like how the Iphone 5S clearly isn't a Iphone 5?

Or like how the N64DD clearly isn't a N64?

Or like how the Wii Mini clearly isn't a Wii?

None of these are considered next-gen leaps by any means. The Iphone 5S is not a Iphone 6, the N64DD was not the GameCube, the Wii Mini was not the WiiU etc...

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The only really "bad" thing about it is that the only way the New 3DS can sell is on exclusives... so I honestly think the next Pokemon mainline game like Pokemon X/Y Part 2 will be exclusive on New 3DS.

Not at all. GameFreak never seems to care to rush out a crappy product just to be on a new system. Emerald came out well into the DS life ( probably a year) and B/W came out when the 3DS already had like 6 months on the market.

Many 3DS owners already groaned when it came out that Xenoblade Chronicles was exclusive to New 3DS. This is gonna start the beginning of exclusives for New 3DS. I mean... HOW ELSE CAN IT SELL?! The New 3DS NEEDS its own Pokemon game. Its own Zelda game. Its own Mario game! It NEEDS them! The regular 3DS isn't gonna die out or fade away. I'm just saying the New 3DS will be picking up big exclusive announcements in the upcoming months that will push people to buy New 3DS!

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I think people are taking this too far. Why would developers limit their audience?

Developers won't go around throwing full exclusives to a model of a console. It is much more beneficial for them to develop their games with the standard hardware in mind. And maybe add a few enhancements for owners of the newer model.

The thing is the same price, it's new and it's flashy. It will sell just like other remodels have done, without having to "starve" the owners of the older models.

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The GBC also had a CPU upgrade, but it didn't have too many exclusives that couldn't be played on a gameboy pocket (despite the box telling us otherwise) because developers didn't want to split their potential market in half. I imagine the same thing will happen here, but with technological advancements we have today, here's what I'd like to see:
PC-style CPU sliders. Playing on an old 3DS? Don't have particle effects or other processing-intensive non-essential aspects of the game. Playing on a New 3DS? Enjoy better quality graphics and dual analogue control options.

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I don't think a new version of 3DS is a bad idea. It has tons of good stuff in it and Nintendo has really made some nice upgrades.

The only things that suck about is the really horrible and confusing name, it should've been called Super 3DS especially because of the button colouring they did. Also region free and better account system would be nice. Both of those can be done with a software update if Nintendo just would build it better from scratch and integrate the purchases to that. It's still not properly linked between 3DS and Wii U. Also the accounts are tied to the hardware which is stone age procedure.

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Jazzer94

Kawaiipikachu wrote:

Bolt_Strike wrote:

Xiao_Pai wrote:

....The "New" system isn't a new generation console...

This. It's not a new console, it's like the DSi.

the N3DS is clearly not another 3DS in fact more akin to a next gen system perhaps like an 8.5 gen system but it's clearly not a 3DS 4.1/4.2.

The difference to the N3DS to the DSi that the DSi only has of the shelf updates (e.g. RAM, wifi, download, system) all custom components are the same (e.g. CPU's) yet the N3DS having more processing power clearly shows that's it's a new system with new processors which makes it clearly a new system not a 3DS4.

It is exactly like that, the New 3DS is to the 3DS as the DSi was to the DS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DSi#Technical_specifica..., the DSi had increased RAM and a faster CPU which sounds quite familiar to the major improvements for the New 3DS. Next (I feel like I've had to say this comparison a lot) the DSi released November 1st 2008 in Japan which was around 3 years 11 months after the DS released, the New 3DS launches in Japan in October making it like 3 years 8 months after the original 3DS launch so is this a new situation no.

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the new 3DS is not a new system. it is a small upgrade just like the DSi or the GameBoy colour were.
the DSi had better systems specs. gameboy colour had better system specs too but they werent new generations.

can OP please realize this? then the thread can be closed.

besides that i wonder how stupid nintendo can be. their console names get even more confusing!!

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Blast wrote:

Many 3DS owners already groaned when it came out that Xenoblade Chronicles was exclusive to New 3DS. This is gonna start the beginning of exclusives for New 3DS. I mean... HOW ELSE CAN IT SELL?! The New 3DS NEEDS its own Pokemon game. Its own Zelda game. Its own Mario game! It NEEDS them! The regular 3DS isn't gonna die out or fade away. I'm just saying the New 3DS will be picking up big exclusive announcements in the upcoming months that will push people to buy New 3DS!

Well, since this is just another model of the 3DS and not an entirely new next-gen handheld, I would assume that they would phase out the older models, which is how the new 3DS would sell because what else would there be to purchase on the store shelves? There is still quite a few years left in the 3DS's lifespan, so new 3DSes would have to be selling during that time, right? I do not see how the old models wouldn't die or fade away; it will, that much is for sure. If someone is looking to buy a brand new 3DS, why buy the older models when you could purchase the newer models (with swappable face plates, the c-stick, better battery life, better 3D, different size options that are roughly the same as the old models, etc) for roughly the same price (I think)? I'm sure Nintendo would phase them out, just like how the original DS was phased out in favor of the DS Lite and so on for the DSi, etc. The space on store shelves are not limitless; they would probably make room for the newer models and not the old.

Also, I'm sure not everyone will be upgrading, so I do not see there being that many exclusives since I doubt developers would want to ignore the other millions of people that they could possibly attract to their new games. So no, it does not need New 3DS only-exclusives to sell; all it needs is 3DS exclusive games (playable on all models or the new 3DS only) to sell when the older models are phased out.

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retro72

Yes, surely Super or + would make sense to distinguish it from current models, every game or different looking 3DS is 'New' !
Trying to get as much info as I can, my main concern is the timing. (*Also capacity for games that will only run on 'New 3DS')
I currently have a 3DSXL AC:NL packed with digitally downloaded games etc.
Have cancelled my pre-order for the SSB 3DSXL console as the 'New 3DS' right hand 'nub' will be supported in this and other games.
Nintendo must know what they are doing ???!!!???

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Bolt_Strike

Morphbug wrote:

I think people are taking this too far. Why would developers limit their audience?

Developers won't go around throwing full exclusives to a model of a console. It is much more beneficial for them to develop their games with the standard hardware in mind. And maybe add a few enhancements for owners of the newer model.

The thing is the same price, it's new and it's flashy. It will sell just like other remodels have done, without having to "starve" the owners of the older models.

To a degree yes, but some game ideas they come up with simply might not work with a regular 3DS and they need the upgrade for that. I can't see a lot of open world games being on a regular 3DS, you need N3DS' camera and CPU/RAM/whatever improvements for those games to really work.

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The New 3DS is what the 3DS should have been in the first place.

Yeah, but in this business world, if you want to make huge profits, you should know how to invest in the first place.
Remember how it was the 3DS initially?, Imagine now as would have been if they had invested in a 3DS like to take out now; The Sony Vita has part of the answer (Expensive and very little support)

Yes, take risks to win in business it's a great point , but, as the examples of Game Cube, Vita, among others, show that sometimes the best option to stay in business, it is not the best option for us, the consumers

In fact, the Wii was the answer to how finances were after the Nintendo Game Cube, if they had done as Sony and Microsoft consoles with great power, investment should been great, but the consumer response should have been higher
just to remember how it was back then the PS3, how do you think would have happened if it was just as expensive than a PS3?

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The DS didn't have 7 years, you left out the DSLite and then the DSi. The 3DS went to XL and 2DS, and now New3DS. New 3DS is much like DSI (and GB Color years earlier) where again it's the same parts, maxed out/beefed up stats and more memory, and will have some exclusive things to it.

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I am not going to get the New3DS until there is a good exclusive. I already own Xenoblade Chronicles on Wii, still haven't played it.

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I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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tanookisuit wrote:

The DS didn't have 7 years, you left out the DSLite and then the DSi. The 3DS went to XL and 2DS, and now New3DS. New 3DS is much like DSI (and GB Color years earlier) where again it's the same parts, maxed out/beefed up stats and more memory, and will have some exclusive things to it.

The OP was talking about the duration of the DS line (including the two you mentioned) as being contributors during the 7 years on the market.

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The DS was their best selling machine of all time, so they had no need to do any upgrading until sales fell off. Despite the Nintendo community referring to the 3DS being a best seller, it's actually on course to be their lowest selling handheld of all time. Sales have dropped by a huge amount worldwide in 2014, and they were going to miss their target by a big distance. I don't think Nintendo had a clue how to bring in new customers, as to be fair to them the games coming out over the last 24 months have been fantastic. If someone wasn't convinced by 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, a new Zelda etc, just what could Nintendo do? The answer was forget those new customers and instead figure out a way how to get a big chunk of the current user base to buy a new model.

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I think there are some problems with this "but it's not a new console" argument. It seems we're largely saying console generations are just defined by what the developer happens to name it. Until this new 3DS came along, I genuinely would've said the definition of a new console is that it can play games that the previous one couldn't. So by that definition, this IS a new console. The internal similarity of the systems seems largely irrelevant to me. After all, the Wii was really just a slightly improved Gamecube with motion controls.
I think whether it counts as a new console is yet to be decided. If they only release say 1-5 exclusives to promote it, then it'll just count as an updated 3DS. But what if they genuinely start to phase out regular 3DS games in maybe 2 years time and only make new3DS games? That to me seems like it'll make it count as a new console.

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Dezzy wrote:

I think there are some problems with this "but it's not a new console" argument. It seems we're largely saying console generations are just defined by what the developer happens to name it. Until this new 3DS came along, I genuinely would've said the definition of a new console is that it can play games that the previous one couldn't.

What would that make the DSi?

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I don't think it's too soon. This is not a new generation, it's a beefed up version of the 3DS. It's been two years since they released the XL and they are updating the specs, giving us a second circle pad that many people wanted, faster downloading times, and built in NFC. I am just really excited for this and can't wait to get my hands on Xenoblade Chronicles and those faceplates. What they are doing is no different from any other company. If you don't want to upgrade, then don't. It's as simple as that. You don't know if they are going to phase out the originals or not so until they say they are going to do that, relax. Neither Nintendo of Europe or NOA have made an official announcement of these NEW 3DSes. So far it's only been confirmed for Japan. I'm not saying they aren't coming but until they do I think everyone should relax and enjoy the systems they have.

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What they are doing is no different from any other company.

The difference, is other companies don't usually give it exclusive games. The launch PS3 plays the same games as the Slim PS3. New Xbox 360's don't have exclusives that cannot be played on an original Xbox 360 (that I know of). It's just a Nintendo thing.

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It is a needed system refresh to extend the life of the brand. I think Nintendo is going to try to retire the wiiu and the 3ds around the same time so the next gen will have the similar os in place without having to shoe horn it. I get the folks that don't want to buy one just because they have a 3ds or just bought a 3ds but I think it makes sense from a business perspective. Especially since they can't go back to the drawing board as often as say a smart phone developer.

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