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The only thing I think that saves this version from being a dud is the save feature you can almost do to death.

I understand where he's coming from: he doesn't want to appear too self-serving. But still, wouldn't you like to try out and see if you enjoy the games you created? I think that lends more credibility to your project.

If Nintendo truly wants to be the big dog again, it has to recognize that it IS in competiton with Sony and Microsoft. They cannot kid themselves anymore. That is the first step they need to do.

Second, the NX needs to be up to par with the PS5 and the Xbox Two or whatever it'll be called. Hardware, when it comes to consoles, MATTERS. It must be a TRUE 9th gen console when Nintendo plans to showcase it in either 2016 or 2017.

Those first two steps are crucial because it won't matter how many third parties it gets because they are far too busy making money with the PS4 and Xbox One. Nintendo has to bend over backwards a little and make the hardware for third party companies much easier to work with. It's THAT simple.

The amount of fanboyism and denial never ceases to amaze me.

We all thought the Wii U units would empty the shelves when Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. came out; didn't happen. We all thought the same with the Amiibos, except it's only the Amiibos that are selling. It's been almost two-and-a-half years since the Wii U came out, and has only sold less the 10 million. That's pathetic. What makes you think Zelda and Star Fox will do any better? Hell, Splatoon will not have any online voice chat.

Put that on top of the Zelda delay until 2016 (tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if they delay the game for one more year due to the NX), as well as the mobile phone announcement.

But, the biggest culprit is the hardware, hands down. If the Wii U had the same hardware as the Xbox One and PS4 along with the first party exclusives, one of the latter would be blown out of the water (arguably the Xbox One).

Let's also face another reality: those days of people buying Nintendo for the first party games are long gone. Yes, the 3DS is selling but handheld devices are a different market. If people were buying the Wii U for the first-party games, it would have sold 50 million by now to accompany either the Xbox One or PS4 (most likely), but that's not the case.

We all want Nintendo to succeed, but we must also accept reality. For those of you who are saying I'm just "speculating", maybe I am, but look at where the trend is heading. I'm not sure how you can argue that at this point.

Great, now I have to "upgrade" Super Mario Bros. 2. :/

Big deal.

@AndyWARbear No problem.

@AndyWARbear It's still up there, so until otherwise, it's confirmed.

If this were a true next-gen game (Xbox One, PS4, and PC only), then I can understand the justification for not being on the Wii U, but c'mon developers, are we still in the 7th gen?

Let's face it: the Wii U just won't cut it this generation. Even if Mortal Kombat X were to be released for it, it would've been a gimped, half-hearted, token game like Injustice, Batman: Arkham Origins, and Mass Effect 3. Nintendo is not the money-maker it once was.

@theblackdragon I get what you're saying, but I'm Hispanic, and I'm not really bothered by it. What bothers me about the whole thing (and I hope I don't sound like I'm a few steps ahead) is that developers may end up trying too hard to appeal to a certain audience to the point where it becomes an appeasement. I've seen it before and I'm not impressed by it. If the company was predominately Indian, and the characters were all Indian, I wouldn't be bothered by this, because, like you said, that's the kind of people they run into in their daily lives.

I'm sure there will be a time in which we don't have to "think about it" when it comes to the color of characters, but that's what the article seems to imply, and I don't want anyone to think too hard on it.

@Dr_Corndog I really don't care as to who says what or who does what. I'm more concerned about conduct. Just a moment ago, there was a minority who said "You don't get to decide on what racism is or isn't", as if somehow other people, especially whites, don't get affected by it.

I'm not trying to white knight white people (pardon the expression), but sometimes minorities' responses don't help either. I get your point of view, but don't let your skin color prevent you to say what you want to say, even if it turns out to be stupid, like Casey Malone's. Not all minorities think the same way.

Oh G*d, here we go with the "diversity chat" again. Yep, no characters of color so it must be "racist!" And you wonder why the dialogue on race is such a joke!

I'm Mexican-American, BTW, just in case you want to throw the "check your privilege" garbage on me.

@Chris720 Yeah, ok, it sucks to be a early adopter, I get that. But the main point is that Microsoft should have NEVER sold the Xbox One with the Kinect, which unarguably made the system more expensive.

@Chris720 I don't know if I understood your reply right, but dropping the Kinect did not splinter the userbase. People were actually happy that you didn't need to buy the Kinect anymore. The only people that were splintered were the early adopters, but even those people mostly likely didn't care for the Kinect.

There are too many games out there, I suspect, for the Wii U that require the tablet to play. Otherwise, Nintendo would've sold the Wii U Pro Controller with the bundle.

@Chris720 I actually agree with you, but dropping the Wii U Tablet at this point is like the cure being worse than the disease.

I agree with this Talking Point but for different reasons:

The Kinect was made technically mandatory until "popular opinion" (as if that were a bad thing in this case) made it optional, yet you still had to buy it. The only controller that should be mandatory for the Xbox One is the controller itself. Period.

The Wii U is different. As much grief as I have been giving to Nintendo, the tablet Gamepad is the console's identity. In my opinion, Nintendo should've returned to the traditional controls, like the Wii U Pro Controller, but they decided to go for the tablet one, so it became a moot point. Also, it's been a year since the system came out, whereas the Xbox One is only a few months old, so it's too late.

Nintendo should just weather the storm until it creates a TRUE 9th gen system for 2018. What it should contain is another story.

No argument about the importance of local multiplayer, but nobody is saying that having both online and local are mutually exclusive.

It's starting to catch up here. The Wii U is same as the Xbox 360 and the PS3 in terms of hardware power. For those of you who thought otherwise before, here's definitive proof because it will only be out for the Xbox One, PS4, and yes, the PC.

Sorry, but once the WB dropped the ball on Arkham Origins, I do not plan on supporting this. Besides, I heard this version sucks, so no.

So, it is true then that AE Games exists. That's great, but given their opening statement on how they feel about the Wii U, it won't be enough. I'm sure this indie developer will make a killing selling their software on the Wii U given that they just started, but that's not the big picture here (that's a different topic altogether).

Best of luck to AE Games.

I thought it was a good Direct. I still don't expect it to sell Wii U units, but I'm happy that they have these games coming out.

Why Nintendo and Konami are not releasing the original Contra before the sequel is beyond me.

Whether this company exists or not, it will not be enough. Nintendo simply cannot depend fully on first party and indie developers to survive as a console maker.

@Luffy Not for long.

3rd parties are abandoning Nintendo. This is not something we can just ignore. For those of you who are saying "We don't need third parties anyway", that is your prerogative as a consumer, but we all know deep down inside it's anecdotal and it doesn't work that way, IF Nintendo wants to remain in the console race.

Nintendo needs to realize that it needs the same kind of hardware that its competitors have. Yes, the Wii did "win" the last generation, but it was a one-hit wonder that will most likely never be repeated. Gamers are not going to own two consoles like they did the last generation, and I seriously doubt that people will drop $300 just to buy Smash Bros.

What Nintendo needs to do now (I have said this before and I will keep repeating this until this actually happens) is to start developing a true 9th generation console that will truly make Microsoft and Sony squirm. No more gimmicks, no more half-hearted support from 3rd party developers, and actually ASK them on what want out of a 9th generation console. The days of developers making games for Nintendo are long gone; it has to be the other way around this time. That kind of research needs to start now.

So awesome! Can't wait!

I really want to believe his optimism and I admire it, but when you hear that the Wii U sales projections have dropped by 67% and third-party support has been dropping like flies, how's blaming the media going to help? You want them to be dishonest by saying "everything is going to be just fine?" If you do, then this problem go way beyond Nintendo's. Sure some of it might be blown out of proportion like dropping out of the console race altogether, but the trend is here to stay unless the sales dramatically go up again.

Also, notice that Patel never said anything positive about the Wii U, but the 3DS? Could it be that maybe he's acknowledging that the situation with the Wii U could be that dire? Nobody is debating the 3DS even though it had a bit of an off year last year.

I'm not buying his "concerns." His concern about Nintendo is like Target being concerned about Wal-Mart or a mom-and-pop store. If he really was THAT concerned about the casual market, maybe you should start making those kinds of games, right Mr. Sony Boss? I find your lack of faith in your product disturbing.

I agree with their sentiments on the console wars, but consoles are not something you can just throw down a few hundred dollars for, expect a few games in return, and then buy another console to fit your "gaming needs". I know that some of the fanboys' justifications can go a bit too far, but nevertheless, the vast majority of gamers can only afford one console so, rightly or wrongly, they will justify their purchases in the end. Is this site any different?

As far as their relationship with Nintendo goes, I agree with @Kirk that Nintendo mostly brought the problems on itself. However, I'm not sure I agree with you on the hardware stance because when the Wii U was first introduced, Nintendo introduced games that were already out or would be out on the Xbox 360 and the PS3. That was a red flag right there. Until Nintendo releases games that are also going out for the PS4/Xbox One that are not ports, I don't see how the argument of "but they actually have the hardware" would help.

I just hope that it's not a watered-down port of the PS4/Xbox One version.

*FACEPALM!

@TreonsRealm I wish like-minded people and I can enjoy the games like you do, and more power to you, but when we hear stories like this, it makes us wonder if the product was worth the investment. We didn't drop $300 so that we can keep hearing bad news about it. It's much more complicated than saying "Just sit down and relax."

I'll address your four points:

1) I agree that most of the fanboys have nothing to lose, but I also suspect that some of them also grew up with Nintendo, yet they felt burned because of the company's "kiddie" image and lack of technological prowess (the evidence on that is pretty substantial). If that's the case, can you really blame them?

2) These are the types of stories you just can't ignore. When the WB decides to drop content from a AAA game on the Wii U, it's news. But it's not just the WB doing this, but EA, Activision, Square Enix, Namco, Bethesda, etc. So, perhaps there is some validity to those "Nintendoom clickbait" articles that Nintendo fans are complaining about. Why keep shooting the messenger?

3) See point 2. To expand, Nintendo is a big part of gaming history. This not something you can just ignore. Third parties really wanted to work with Nintendo, but IMO, the hardware (amongst other issues) just made it way too difficult for them. Sorry, but we are at the mercy of the developers here. The days of developers making the games for the consoles are long gone. It's the other way around now.

4) I think that problem has been around for a while, and it is growing, which is why you're now hearing negative stories about the Wii U. Sony is having big problems with the other products right now, but I believe the story has been a bit more recent. Nintendo's problems have been swelling since Day One, almost, of the Wii U. In fact, this is going to be the 3rd out of the last 4 consoles in which Nintendo hasn't been selling well, so this was not a problem that appeared overnight.

Like I said, I actually do enjoy my Wii U, but again, with stories like this, I wonder if it was worth the investment. My bottom line is hurting too.

This is just sad.

But I can't help but think to all of you who said "don't worry, Nintendo is doing fine", well, where are you now? Of course, indie makers are going to say it because they have nothing to lose over the Wii U. But this is bigger than them.

To those of you who say "big deal, we don't need third-parties", perhaps personally you don't, but for Nintendo it's a big deal. This denial of Nintendo being in the console race, IMO, is what costing the company as a console maker.

The adage of (paraphrasing here) "the first step of taking care of a problem is to admit you have one" cannot ring more true.

It's a good thing I got A Link to the Past from Club Nintendo. Now I can download this for $1.50.

I'm not sure what the heck I just read. :/

I think it's awesome. Surely I don't think it's going to boost up Wii U sales, but it is a great addition to have the DS library.

Now, how about them GameCube ones?

@FilmerNgameR LOL! Yeah, I just basically just cut and paste my comments. ;D

Of course Nintendo should use mobile apps to market gaming. Xbox and PS are doing it, so it's a step in the right direction.

Despite the "he said, he said" comments, should anyone be surprised by the reality in all of this?

UPDATE:

Assuming what he says is true, it's one thing to say it, it's another thing to act on it (or lack thereof).

Nintendo brought the whole "kid image" thing to itself, but even I have to admit that EA didn't have to be a d**k about it. Makes you wonder why it was voted "The Worst Company in America" two years in a row.

@Kawaii_Neko I'm not sure about that. Why take the time to bash the game that everyone seemed to love? He even trashed the original TMNT game for the NES despite winning Nintendo Power's GOTY (or "Overall Game") in 1989. Even through his AVGN persona, he's got a lot of points on both of these games.

Sorry, but the "winning" Wii formula only appears once in a blue moon. The casual gamer was the biggest demographic, and they've jumped ship to tablets and smartphones.

If the relevance is about sales, then Nintendo's consoles have been lousy about it for 2 of the past 3 generations, with this in danger of becoming 3 of the last 4.

@GOM1 If Nintendo didn't have such a bad reputation to begin with, you'd probably be right.

@GOM1 In my opinion, as well as almost everyone else's, Nintendo should have said "yes." So your argument is that we can't be disappointed on what Nintendo's decision is?

@GOM1 We're not disagreeing that it is Nintendo's property. We're disagreeing on how it was handled.

@shinokami I agree with you about this being Nintendo's property, but it would give the story much greater weight with the Nintendo seal in it.
@CureDolly He cancelled the book because it is Nintendo's IP, and he didn't want to get sued.

So it's not just third-party developers, but now BOOK PUBLISHERS?! Even from the FIRST-PARTY games?!

Just damn, Nintendo!

@TheRealThanos Like I said: we're the exception here. If that was really the rule, the Wii U would have sold 15-20 million units by now.