(The Tegra 2 was a mobile processor back then, one of the first dual-core mobile processors. The Motorola Atrix being among the first crop. I know what you're talking about. I'm just poking fun at the naming. )
The whole thing is a gray area and I agree piracy sucks.
And yet it's hacks that got us to get glimpses of fascinating things leftover in video games. It's the likes of hackers that led to Hidden Palace Zone finally appearing in an official release of Sonic 2.
Hacking itself is not a bad thing and equating it to piracy is foolhardy.
Not to mention most people aren't going to actually do it because they are either ignorant or lack the technical know-how to actually run it.
Wouldn't the games have to be recoded to support a different architecture? It's more than possible. The question is if it's worth it in cost-benefit...
@Nico87 Incorrect. Japan had things like Shinobi III in their first collection. This is no fused collection.
Also people, S3&K always seems marred by issues regarding music rights. There seems to be no real issues with emulations, but the 3D Classics and the Taxman/Stealth releases are more than simple emulations or ports. It's not so simple.
@CrazedCavalier I, uh...think you may have missed something. Yeah, Genealogy had incest as an important plot point, but it was also legitimately possible to have cousins get it on. And they'd even make quips about that fact.
Still not to the level Fates did it, yes, but to ostracize it as the only real offender is silly.
Not doing so until their account system isn't a joke. On top of the large downloads sometimes getting corrupted part-way through, it's a pain in the ass to get games and saves over to a new console if the need arises. Better than it was during the Wii days, but that's not saying much.
Cross-buy also needs to be a thing because there's no excuse for the 3DS NES and N3DS SNES games to cost full price. And don't give me the different emulator/architecture bullshit. They have entire teams of people and documentation of their own devices to get stuff to run. These aren't amateur programmers working on their own. Now that Nintendo Network's a thing, there's no excuse.
@Sanicranfast Yellow will have color because the western versions essentially programmed it to use the Super Game Boy palette. (It's not full color like Gen 2 is, but it's not black and white either.)
@Transdude1996 You're wasting your breath. People just don't get it. Nintendo is nutty about getting the emulation as close to perfect as they can. Even though *hax and RetroArch can run this stuff and quite well on the N3DS, the O3DS doesn't have that.
On topic, this is three weeks in a row of good stuff. I tip my hat to NoA. Keep it up.
NoA's had two good weeks in a row for VC. I'm impressed actually. Zero Mission was a "Finally" moment, but SMA4 was unexpected. Good on them. There's still a backlog, but I won't insult a great release with intriguing extras.
That said, I may be in the US, but I do hope Europe does get all the Mario Advance games. Those are an even odder omission than some of the NA eShop stuff is.
@Mario-Man-Child I'm going to kindly ask you to stow it, because I don't need to be a long time reader of this site to have an opinion or see the lack of parity between the EU and NA VCs. NA is missing a ton of stuff that EU has and it'd be great to have. Xenoblade's eshop release? SMRPG? Mario vs. Donkey Kong? Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon? I can go on.
NoE isn't perfect either. They're missing Super Mario Advance 1 and 2 which is mind-boggling.
I can get a lack of parity between JP and the other regions. There's so many games that just won't come out since they were JP only. But the lack of parity between NA and EU is just stupid, especially for the English speaking countries.
Good. NoA is doing right and releasing it /finally/.
Now we just need...
Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii download. Don't give me the N3DS bs, you know this is for those who don't have XBC3D) Super Mario RPG Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon Drill Dozer Wave Race 64 Super Mario 64 DS Mario vs. Donkey Kong (Still don't have it amazingly enough) Phantom Hourglass Spirit Tracks Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics
Oh, more nothing? Nice. Europe has SMRPG, Zero Mission, Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon, Super Mario 64 DS...oh, and a Wii download of Xenoblade Chronicles for GamePad usage.
Nice to see NoA releasing these three games almost 3 months after Europe got 'em. They must've strained themselves. I mean, three VC games in one week? We'll be lucky to get one next week, right!?
Pitiful.
I'm not even going to compare to Japan's eshop since...well, both regions are kinda screwed compared to Japan. I could go on about the great stuff they've been getting lately.
Oh, and for me? I have a legitimate reason to want the FF Advance games on Wii U VC: My carts got stolen. I want /legal/ copies to play. And don't tell me to go on eBay. GBA carts are so disgustingly easy to find forgeries of. Those that aren't are too expensive to consider now.
Okay, so...we're getting SMG1 versus Zero Mission, Xenoblade Chronicles (Which is a biggie for those without a N3DS considering the Wii version's price for folks) or even some of the cooler things Japan's gotten recently like Final Fantasy VI Advance or even the upcoming Super Mario Advance 4 /with e-reader levels/. And also Super Mario RPG.
NoA, you have a good three to five things you can release that are not easy to get and you choose this.
@AlphaOmega The NiGHTS HD remake isn't even a Saturn game. It's the PS2 version essentially.
The problem is that the Saturn was a complicated mess for developers. Emulating it is a pain in the rear. I know PCs can do it very well, but keep in mind that took a long time.
The Game Gear and Genesis themes are a fair bit different from the Japan equivalents too, aside from the obvious parts (Mega Drive vs. Genesis).
There's a few sound effect differences on the Genesis one compared to the JP Mega Drive and the Game Gear, while keeping the same sounds, looks different on the bottom screen. Rather than cycle through red, yellow and blue Game Gears, the game on the screen of the game gear changes.
The attention to detail on the different regions is impeccable. I imagine the Saturn will use the startup for the NA Saturn with NA Saturn pics and stuff.
DC could be used without much change. Master System as well, maybe. The SG-1000 and Mark III probably won't be changed though.
We'll see though. Should be fun to see regardless.
@Superryanworld Yeah, I mean, I can understand the issues with third party VC. Gotta get those licenses and whatnot. Nintendo's the gatekeeper, but if they don't have the right to distribute, well...ouch.
But there is no excuse for their first and second party stuff.
Jack all for me. I don't have or want Shovel Knight, 3DS VC still remains dead, Wii U VC is still trickle feeding...and I have a vested interest in hoping for more GBA VC games due to many of my carts getting stolen more than 3 years ago.
Where's Zero Mission? Where's Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon? How about the two Mario vs. Donkey Kong games japan got? How about some more 64 games? Why not go the extra mile and throw in Smash 64? Mario Kart 64? Majora's Mask (And don't say it's unfeasible. Xenoblade on the Wii downloads is proof enough that newer versions don't mean a thing)? And that's only the first party stuff. For Wii games, what about Xenoblade?
I'm not gonna bother saying the Square-Enix RPGs. We know by now they don't care at all, so no FFI, IV, VI, Chrono Trigger, etc. And third party is third party, though why not the Sonic Advance trilogy? Or at least Advance 1 which came out in Japan? I'll even take Sonic Battle at this point!
There are a lot of gaping holes, so saying the complaining isn't valid is a load of bull. There is no defending how NoA is doing these things when we've seen Europe get multiple VC titles in single weeks. The one with Advance Wars 2, Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and Ocarina of Time comes to mind, when NoA only got Ocarina (Advance Wars 2 did come later, but Shadow Dragon is still AWOL).
And please don't talk to me about Europe getting screwed over in the past. I'm well aware of it and it sucks. I'm glad NoE is doing better, but the fact is that both branches get screwed over compared to glorious Japan.
@Quorthon I get what you mean, but remember Atlus is partially footing the bill there. Radiant Dawn and Path of Radiance were developed by Intelligent Systems.
Again, when a game released right at the end of the SNES's lifespan (Super Famicom in this case) sells better than ones that were released while the consoles still had steam in them (Especially in Radiant Dawn's case), something is /very/ wrong.
@DeltaPeng Problem: Nintendo's servers are utter trash when it comes to this. Look no further than everyone clamping down on Club Nintendo's bandwidth. Heck, even when it wasn't being discontinued, logging in took far longer than it should.
@Gerbwmu Hate to break it to you, but Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn nearly killed the franchise because they sold /very/ poorly especially in Japan. Thracia 776, a game that came out on the SNES in /1999/ sold almost as much as both of those games. It's going to be a long while before we see a console FE again, if at all.
@DESS-M-8 No, ludites only stuck to one or the other (unless it was due to money/parents or something.). True gamers would appreciate the gems on both systems.
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Re: Rumour: Nintendo Wanted Sora In Smash Bros. Ultimate, But Got Rejected By Disney
Nothing of value is lost. Keep Kingdom Hearts as far away as possible. Terrible franchise.
Pretty much the only character and franchise I never want to see in Smash.
Re: Video: Dragon Quest XI S Producers Reveal Their Favourite Characters And More In Quickfire Q+A
@ILikeStake To quote Sylvando: "Honey, you have no taste."
I loved the whole cast personally. Sylvando was legitimately amazing. If he were nothing but attempts at comic relief, I'd find him bad.
But he's a deeper character than that.
Re: Gallery: Feast Your Eyes On These Gorgeous Sega AGES Screenshots
@EarthboundBenjy Because Sega can't be bothered to use the work of baka gaijins. Japan onry.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Considers "Nintendo Switch Pro" With NVIDIA Tegra 2 Processor
@gatorboi352 So we're switching to 2011 tech? /s
(The Tegra 2 was a mobile processor back then, one of the first dual-core mobile processors. The Motorola Atrix being among the first crop. I know what you're talking about. I'm just poking fun at the naming. )
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Considers "Nintendo Switch Pro" With NVIDIA Tegra 2 Processor
@BARSAMAN Which is why the Super Nintendo underperformed the Sega Genesis--oh. Wait.
Or how the GameCube was weaker than the PS2--nvm it wasn't.
Don't spout that bull about Nintendo never being about graphical fidelity. That's something they started erroneously with the Wii.
Re: Nintendo Has No Plans For A Switch 2.0, Sources Claim
@jzf69 Oh geez, thanks for reminding me of the Tegra 2 phones of 2011. The Atrix was a great phone back then lol.
Re: Hackers Turn The Nintendo Switch Into A Functioning Linux Tablet
The whole thing is a gray area and I agree piracy sucks.
And yet it's hacks that got us to get glimpses of fascinating things leftover in video games. It's the likes of hackers that led to Hidden Palace Zone finally appearing in an official release of Sonic 2.
Hacking itself is not a bad thing and equating it to piracy is foolhardy.
Not to mention most people aren't going to actually do it because they are either ignorant or lack the technical know-how to actually run it.
Re: Feature: Here's What Was Announced During The January 2018 Nintendo Direct Mini
Anyone who hyped this up based on rumors was a fool. This was more or less what I expected.
Re: CPU Exploits Meltdown And Spectre Could Potentially Affect Nintendo Switch
Last I checked, the Switch's CPU is made by nVidia with an ARM architecture.
Meltdown affects x86 chips like those made by Intel and AMD.
Meltdown therefore has no impact on the Switch, unless a derivative appears that affects the ARM instruction set.
Re: Digital Foundry Does a Deep Dive on the Super NES Classic / SNES Mini Emulation
Wouldn't the games have to be recoded to support a different architecture? It's more than possible. The question is if it's worth it in cost-benefit...
Re: Video: This Has To Rank As The Most Epic Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Glitch Yet
Maybe the "Master Sword has returned to the forest" line was a leftover from an old Eventide Island?
Re: US Federal Trade Commission Warns Against Nintendo Switch 'Emulator' Scams
Cue the bait and switch jokes.
Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Starts Strongly in Japan as Nintendo's Share Value Soars
@SLIGEACH_EIRE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gashapon
This is why they are called Gacha games in Japan.
Re: Pokémon Sun And Moon Data Files Show Removed Buddy System
@InfernapeKing97 Missingno. Duh.
Re: Fangs For The Memories Castlevania, You're Now 30 Years Old
@SmaMan That's the magic of the VRC6 sound chip.
Re: Sega 3D Classics Collection 3: Final Stage To Include Mystery Title Picked By Fans
@Nico87 Incorrect. Japan had things like Shinobi III in their first collection. This is no fused collection.
Also people, S3&K always seems marred by issues regarding music rights. There seems to be no real issues with emulations, but the 3D Classics and the Taxman/Stealth releases are more than simple emulations or ports. It's not so simple.
Re: Editorial: Fire Emblem Fates and Code Name S.T.E.A.M., Two Very Different Intelligent Systems Ventures
@CrazedCavalier I, uh...think you may have missed something. Yeah, Genealogy had incest as an important plot point, but it was also legitimately possible to have cousins get it on. And they'd even make quips about that fact.
Still not to the level Fates did it, yes, but to ostracize it as the only real offender is silly.
Re: Capcom Could Be Planning to Bring Back Old IP
I'm not considering Mega Man one of their old IPs, so all of the ruckus about it will fall on deaf ears.
Power Stone, Breath of Fire or even Devil May Cry (As in, stylish Dante) would be great. Throw in other old stuff like...CAPTAIN COMMANDO!
Re: Sega's Shinobi Series Is Getting The Big Screen Treatment
That picture is of Jiro Musashi, not Joe. :
Re: New DLC Maps Are Coming To Fire Emblem Fates Next Month
@sWiTcHeRoO We're still missing the two scramble maps, so no, I don't think this is it.
Re: You Can Now Pre-Order The Most Gorgeous New Nintendo 3DS XL Console Ever Made
Due to how far homebrew has come, I'd get it. But there's one different issue standing in my way: Money.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Wants Us to Download More and Move On From Discs - Will It Work?
Not doing so until their account system isn't a joke. On top of the large downloads sometimes getting corrupted part-way through, it's a pain in the ass to get games and saves over to a new console if the need arises. Better than it was during the Wii days, but that's not saying much.
Cross-buy also needs to be a thing because there's no excuse for the 3DS NES and N3DS SNES games to cost full price. And don't give me the different emulator/architecture bullshit. They have entire teams of people and documentation of their own devices to get stuff to run. These aren't amateur programmers working on their own. Now that Nintendo Network's a thing, there's no excuse.
Re: Video: Bask in the Monochrome Glow of Extended Pokémon Virtual Console Footage
@Sanicranfast Yellow will have color because the western versions essentially programmed it to use the Super Game Boy palette. (It's not full color like Gen 2 is, but it's not black and white either.)
Re: Nintendo Download: 28th January (North America)
@Transdude1996 You're wasting your breath. People just don't get it. Nintendo is nutty about getting the emulation as close to perfect as they can. Even though *hax and RetroArch can run this stuff and quite well on the N3DS, the O3DS doesn't have that.
On topic, this is three weeks in a row of good stuff. I tip my hat to NoA. Keep it up.
Re: Here's a Breakdown of the Extra e-Reader Levels in Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 on the Wii U
@OorWullie I don't think you guys have gotten the other Mario Advance games either. It's really pathetic that neither NoA nor NoE can keep parity.
Re: North American Roy amiibo Pre-Order Time Confirmed, Exclusive to GameStop
@BigBluePanda In some ways yes, in some ways no. There's a number that have yet to get any restocks. Robin and Lucina come to mind.
Re: North American Roy amiibo Pre-Order Time Confirmed, Exclusive to GameStop
@Caryslan At this point, no. But keep in mind Japan doesn't have Roy's amiibo yet either IIRC.
Re: Nintendo Download: 21st January (North America)
NoA's had two good weeks in a row for VC. I'm impressed actually. Zero Mission was a "Finally" moment, but SMA4 was unexpected. Good on them. There's still a backlog, but I won't insult a great release with intriguing extras.
That said, I may be in the US, but I do hope Europe does get all the Mario Advance games. Those are an even odder omission than some of the NA eShop stuff is.
Re: Talking Point: The Allure of the Virtual Console and How Nintendo Can Harness It
@Mario-Man-Child I'm going to kindly ask you to stow it, because I don't need to be a long time reader of this site to have an opinion or see the lack of parity between the EU and NA VCs. NA is missing a ton of stuff that EU has and it'd be great to have. Xenoblade's eshop release? SMRPG? Mario vs. Donkey Kong? Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon? I can go on.
NoE isn't perfect either. They're missing Super Mario Advance 1 and 2 which is mind-boggling.
I can get a lack of parity between JP and the other regions. There's so many games that just won't come out since they were JP only. But the lack of parity between NA and EU is just stupid, especially for the English speaking countries.
Re: Talking Point: The Allure of the Virtual Console and How Nintendo Can Harness It
@OneBagTravel Nintendo of America seems to exist in a bubble. Other regions don't exist to them except when they have to mention them like in directs.
Re: Metroid: Zero Mission Looks Set for a 14th January Arrival in North America
Good. NoA is doing right and releasing it /finally/.
Now we just need...
Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii download. Don't give me the N3DS bs, you know this is for those who don't have XBC3D)
Super Mario RPG
Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon
Drill Dozer
Wave Race 64
Super Mario 64 DS
Mario vs. Donkey Kong (Still don't have it amazingly enough)
Phantom Hourglass
Spirit Tracks
Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics
Re: Nintendo Download: 7th January (North America)
Oh, more nothing? Nice. Europe has SMRPG, Zero Mission, Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon, Super Mario 64 DS...oh, and a Wii download of Xenoblade Chronicles for GamePad usage.
Nice to see NoA releasing these three games almost 3 months after Europe got 'em. They must've strained themselves. I mean, three VC games in one week? We'll be lucky to get one next week, right!?
Pitiful.
I'm not even going to compare to Japan's eshop since...well, both regions are kinda screwed compared to Japan. I could go on about the great stuff they've been getting lately.
Oh, and for me? I have a legitimate reason to want the FF Advance games on Wii U VC: My carts got stolen. I want /legal/ copies to play. And don't tell me to go on eBay. GBA carts are so disgustingly easy to find forgeries of. Those that aren't are too expensive to consider now.
Re: New York's Nintendo World Store Prepares for Major Revamp
@ikki5 You expect NoA to do something that makes sense? Why make an online presence when they can just be stupid and limit it to one area?!
Re: Super Mario Galaxy May Arrive on the North American Wii U eShop on 24th December
Okay, so...we're getting SMG1 versus Zero Mission, Xenoblade Chronicles (Which is a biggie for those without a N3DS considering the Wii version's price for folks) or even some of the cooler things Japan's gotten recently like Final Fantasy VI Advance or even the upcoming Super Mario Advance 4 /with e-reader levels/. And also Super Mario RPG.
NoA, you have a good three to five things you can release that are not easy to get and you choose this.
This is only a tiny bit better than normal. Ugh.
Re: Bonk's Adventure Has Been Rated By The ESRB For Wii U
@AlphaOmega The NiGHTS HD remake isn't even a Saturn game. It's the PS2 version essentially.
The problem is that the Saturn was a complicated mess for developers. Emulating it is a pain in the rear. I know PCs can do it very well, but keep in mind that took a long time.
Re: Six More Retro SEGA 3DS HOME Themes Are on the Way
The Game Gear and Genesis themes are a fair bit different from the Japan equivalents too, aside from the obvious parts (Mega Drive vs. Genesis).
There's a few sound effect differences on the Genesis one compared to the JP Mega Drive and the Game Gear, while keeping the same sounds, looks different on the bottom screen. Rather than cycle through red, yellow and blue Game Gears, the game on the screen of the game gear changes.
The attention to detail on the different regions is impeccable. I imagine the Saturn will use the startup for the NA Saturn with NA Saturn pics and stuff.
DC could be used without much change. Master System as well, maybe. The SG-1000 and Mark III probably won't be changed though.
We'll see though. Should be fun to see regardless.
Re: Nintendo Download: 17th September (North America)
@Superryanworld Yeah, I mean, I can understand the issues with third party VC. Gotta get those licenses and whatnot. Nintendo's the gatekeeper, but if they don't have the right to distribute, well...ouch.
But there is no excuse for their first and second party stuff.
Re: Nintendo Download: 17th September (North America)
Jack all for me. I don't have or want Shovel Knight, 3DS VC still remains dead, Wii U VC is still trickle feeding...and I have a vested interest in hoping for more GBA VC games due to many of my carts getting stolen more than 3 years ago.
Where's Zero Mission? Where's Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon? How about the two Mario vs. Donkey Kong games japan got? How about some more 64 games? Why not go the extra mile and throw in Smash 64? Mario Kart 64? Majora's Mask (And don't say it's unfeasible. Xenoblade on the Wii downloads is proof enough that newer versions don't mean a thing)? And that's only the first party stuff. For Wii games, what about Xenoblade?
I'm not gonna bother saying the Square-Enix RPGs. We know by now they don't care at all, so no FFI, IV, VI, Chrono Trigger, etc. And third party is third party, though why not the Sonic Advance trilogy? Or at least Advance 1 which came out in Japan? I'll even take Sonic Battle at this point!
There are a lot of gaping holes, so saying the complaining isn't valid is a load of bull. There is no defending how NoA is doing these things when we've seen Europe get multiple VC titles in single weeks. The one with Advance Wars 2, Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and Ocarina of Time comes to mind, when NoA only got Ocarina (Advance Wars 2 did come later, but Shadow Dragon is still AWOL).
And please don't talk to me about Europe getting screwed over in the past. I'm well aware of it and it sucks. I'm glad NoE is doing better, but the fact is that both branches get screwed over compared to glorious Japan.
Re: Nintendo Download: 3rd September (North America)
Meanwhile Japan gets the first GBA fire emblem game. So now on the Wii U, they have FE1-8 easily accessible.
Re: Fire Emblem If Box Art Confirms amiibo Support and 15 Years and Up Age Rating
@Quorthon I get what you mean, but remember Atlus is partially footing the bill there. Radiant Dawn and Path of Radiance were developed by Intelligent Systems.
Again, when a game released right at the end of the SNES's lifespan (Super Famicom in this case) sells better than ones that were released while the consoles still had steam in them (Especially in Radiant Dawn's case), something is /very/ wrong.
Re: Nintendo Unable To Promise When It Can Remedy amiibo Stock Nightmare
@DeltaPeng Problem: Nintendo's servers are utter trash when it comes to this. Look no further than everyone clamping down on Club Nintendo's bandwidth. Heck, even when it wasn't being discontinued, logging in took far longer than it should.
Re: Fire Emblem If Box Art Confirms amiibo Support and 15 Years and Up Age Rating
@Gerbwmu Hate to break it to you, but Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn nearly killed the franchise because they sold /very/ poorly especially in Japan. Thracia 776, a game that came out on the SNES in /1999/ sold almost as much as both of those games. It's going to be a long while before we see a console FE again, if at all.
Re: Editorial: Nintendo's Problems With Trends and Modern Media Continue to Damage Its Image
@Quorthon
Per chance do you also have the 64DD? I have a friend who does along with a slightly modded N64 to play Japanese games.
'Twas odd to see someone playing the F-Zero eXpansion kit.
Re: Video: Nintendo Drops a Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D Gameplay Trailer
@DESS-M-8 No, ludites only stuck to one or the other (unless it was due to money/parents or something.). True gamers would appreciate the gems on both systems.
Re: Club Nintendo Distributing Tomodachi Life Demo Codes to Select Platinum Members
No code here. I'm sad, but what can one do. If anyone has a spare code, email to [email protected].