Nintendo is in an interesting position in terms of how it sells us retail games. On the one hand it continues to produce handsome special editions and 'first print' runs not only to appease fans, but also to promote amiibo or emphasize the significance of a particular release. On the other hand it's had a tough generation in winning shelf space with retailers (especially in the UK, as this writer's noted on multiple occasions) and has been stepping up its efforts to tempt us to the eShop for our major purchases. The latter is win-win in money terms for Nintendo - minimal distribution costs (maintaining eShop servers, basically) and a bigger slice of the profit.
It's a balancing act, and Nintendo continues to target both sides, sprucing up major releases like Super Mario Maker, Fire Emblem Fates and Star Fox Zero (depending on region) with special editions and handsome packaging to grab eager fans. That same audience, though, is arguably a key target with the My Nintendo loyalty programme. My Nintendo does have a broader remit to engage millions of people that have perhaps drifted away from the Nintendo brand, yes, but as the Club Nintendo replacement it's a significant programme targeting the company's biggest fans. The Gold currency targets enthusiasts, like many reading these pages, as it rewards those that spend a lot of money on games - unlike Club Nintendo, of course, it's download-only.
When we broke down the My Nintendo economy - as it is in Japan so far - it was immediately clear that the Platinum rewards are more universal, engaging those that may dabble in Miitomo, for example. As mentioned above the Gold rewards require plenty of hard cash to be spent on games, be they smaller 'Nindie' efforts or full-blown retail titles. That's how loyalty programmes work, of course, providing occasional treats after plenty of commitment and spend, but the equivalent of around four retail downloads for a free $20 Wii Virtual Console game gives an idea of how much Nintendo wants us to shift to the eShop.
Add to that the fact that the new Nintendo Account - very much the parent to the new loyalty programme - will also support the ability to browse and buy from the eShop online, and Nintendo is doing what a lot of businesses did years ago - it's shifting online. Just like many now pop onto a store like Amazon rather than head down to the shops, Nintendo is realising that the cut and thrust of physical retail - which hasn't always gone well for it in this generation - isn't the only way to shift copies. Yet it can only half commit, as billions of dollars are still made every year in bricks and mortal stores.
We also polled the Nintendo Life community recently on purchasing habits and the physical vs download side of the market, and results were relatively split with a narrow lean towards physical copies. Plenty seem willing to contemplate an extra download or two if they're chasing a reward on Club Nintendo, but in general our readership is certainly split, with no overwhelming shift to eShop-only or disc only. A solid number, tellingly, also said Nintendo needs to resolve its account system in dealing with our download purchases - they're still tied to hardware for the consumer (not Nintendo, who can manage our applications and games in the cloud) on Wii U and 3DS, and we hope the NX, combined with the Nintendo Account system, will finally end that archaic practice.
The download-only focus of My Nintendo, though, does remind us of the bind and muddle Nintendo has found itself in. Through its smart device strategies and the new Nintendo Account setup the company aims to get into the daily lives of millions more people, and the My Nintendo rewards also play into that, rewarding newcomers with free entertainment on their phone and tempting them to pick up the company's hardware. While that's terrific for branding - with Miitomo performing admirably early on in Japan - it doesn't deal with the challenge Nintendo faces in the world of stores, footfall and shelf space.
With poor sales and minimal momentum, the Wii U's presence on shelves has been limited, and though the 3DS has fared better it's still up against powerful home console rivals and other goods. There are three big players and multiple systems fighting for shelves, and many entertainment and gaming stores now spread their focus thinner to chase customers, with figurines (including amiibo in part, of course), board games, Blu-Rays and collectibles taking up more and more real estate. As Nintendo heads towards launching new hardware in the next 6-18 months - we think a 2016 Holiday launch is likely, but no final word has come yet - it needs major chains around the world like GameStop, Best Buy, GAME and more to order units for their stores. Yes, many do their shopping online, but revenue figures around the world show that plenty still go into actual shops - it's an important battleground.
Retailers will need to be convinced NX will sell, then, though will likely happily take a punt at launch and then judge it from there. Yet My Nintendo's Gold half of the rewards will be irrelevant for a fairly significant audience because they'll still be buying physical copies. The only way Nintendo connects that audience in the NX generation is if the hardware is download-only for games, with stores selling download cards / codes - considering Nintendo's history with hard drive sizes and the very obvious risk that a lack of physical media would alienate plenty of gamers, that seems unlikely.
Beyond all of that, when it comes to the great pricing gamble Nintendo still sticks rather than twists with the eShop in keeping premium prices - it's not alone on this, as PSN and Xbox Live price retail games at top dollar too. Though prices can be more static in some territories than others, it's often the case in the UK - for example - that you can find a disc copy of a game cheaper online than buying the download, even at launch. Throw in steelbook cases like the first print edition of Star Fox Zero in Europe, and it can feel like a no-brainer for those not fully in the download-only camp. It's all equal pros and cons in a broader sense, too - physical discs are less immediate and convenient than a download, but if you have a boxed copy you can easily share with others or trade them in. A Wii download in exchange for $240 spent in My Nintendo will struggle to appeal to those used to regularly rotating their physical collection of games.
As it stands, this writer's not convinced that Nintendo Account / My Nintendo have changed the game a great deal in the physical vs download choice, though it may have a modest impact in shifting a few extra downloads. Nintendo is still trying to satisfy everyone, though is muddying the message by incentivising downloads in its loyalty programme while continuing to hype special editions and bundles. Perhaps this fudging of priorities and communication to consumers explains why Sony and Microsoft shy away from such direct loyalty promotions, instead opting for subscription-based services like PS Plus. Of course, those rival programmes also have their critics.
My Nintendo has wonderful potential, but early indications are that it hasn't quite figured out the best way to reward loyalty - for example, apparently those that download Fire Emblem Fates in all of its parts (for about $80) rather than buy a physical Special Edition bundle are more deserving of something extra. We doubt that's the message Nintendo intends and time will tell whether it finds a way to reward all fans, regardless of their preference for discs or hard drives.
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Sell a download code with limed edition stuff.
Oh really? Then why is it they gave that Shadow Mewtwo amiibo card to retail Pokken buyers and digital Pokken buyers got shafted?
F*ck you Nintendo.
I'm of two minds on this.
I like digital a lot. I can get smaller, independent games that aren't available in traditional outlets. And it saves me the humiliation from having to buy a game in public (game stores are not a friendly place for people like me).
But when it comes to a big budget game, like, say, Hyrule Warriors or Smash Bros, I want the option to buy physical.
As long as I'm given the right to choose what format I want, I say bring on the digital age.
I always download. It's time to move to the 21 century. This is not the 80s or something. That being said, there are some cool physical releases out there.
As I've said 5 times on this topic before, memory is also a significant issue in terms of digital distribution. Nintendo doesn't provide enough memory space to sustain a lot of digital purchases, you need to pay extra for external memory to support multiple full scale games. If they can fix that, I'd probably be fine with buying things digitally. But seeing as my 3DS' memory is nearly full when I've barely bought anything digitally, there's no way in hell I'm buying digital.
I'll meet Nintendo halfway. If they make a real Metroid game, i will download it.
If Nintendo expects digital next gen the minimum internal hard drive size needs to be at least 1-2 TB
I buy a lot of retail games digitally already. I still want physical copies, but take Mario Kart for instance, I wanted that digitally because it's a game I hop on a lot so having it on the Wii U was convenient. XCX made sense digital for faster loading times. But some games don't feel right digital. That said, how I feel as a fanboy is over-rode by the price factor. I do not pay for E-shops prices. I get my digital codes from GAME.
@Bolt_Strike That bugged me but I got a 1TB drive really cheap, cheaper than if the Wii U had come with 1TB storage, and it's a total non-issue for me now.
I download on handheld but buy physical on console. Steam is the only exception. Their next console should have a 1TB SSHD for installing games so they can have both some of the speed benefit of SSDs while retaining the value of HDDs.
This is not a scheme for die hard fans at all - I have no more 'slots' to have new downloads appear on my gamepad menu, so I'm not really impressed at all. Never mind the fact that 32 GB is nowhere near enough to get many downloads without an external. I'm sure NX will remedy this of course.
Surely the only way to make downloading the preferred option for buyers is to under-cut the retail price and by the retail price I do not mean RRP, but the price on Amazon. Why would I pay more to own a copy of a game I cannot take round to my mates, without the art work and extras and not to mention one that the digital rights are technically rented to me. If Nintendo can make the price point attactive I am sure gamers will flock to the service. History suggests this is unlikely in the extreme though.
No. I like physical media (no more awesome box art if download only becomes the norm.) Nintendo are also cutting out the middleman with download only titles. Games may become far more expensive as a result. Then there's the issue of buying external hard drives for your growing collections. Also, it would be a bit of a hassle re-downloading everything if your HD drive decides to die on you. Nope, Nintendo.
For me they need to sort out their account, and get pricing right.
Will this new Nintendo account allow me to sign on any machine and download my purchases? I don't want to have to get on the phone for someone to do it all for me. I want it to work like any Apple, Android, Sony and Microsoft machine does.
I realise this might be unique to the UK, but retailers don't sell things for anywhere near RRP. Maybe in the States they are forced to, but here things regularly get sold for almost half the price Nintendo wants them to sell it for. The problem is Nintendo rigidly sticks to RRP on the eShop so the price discrepancy is ridiculous. Sony and MS also have this issue but sales are far more frequent, and the discounts much bigger. I have a huge eShop whilst, most of which has never been on sale. When things do go on sale, it's usually something like 25% off, maybe 50% off if you're really lucky.
I've picked up some amazing retail games on XBLA and PSN that I'd never have normally tried, because they were under £5. It's the same as how I've always tried physical games picking them up pre-owned for the same price. On Nintendo machines... I'm not really tempted to try something because it's dropped to £20.
Don't really care about loyalty rewards (especially the new system), so I'll still be buying physical copies until they're phased out. Also considering I buy most of my Nintendo games used, downloading is in no way a better option for me, unless you're talking about shelf space lol...
Personally, I only ever buy digitally if it's only available on the eShop (indie titles and whatnot) or if there's a massive discount. I like my physical copies.
Well it is a possibility that rewards for physical retail is coming soon but not yet because Nintendo didn't want to put redemption codes in the game boxes before My Nintendo went live to avoid confusion. Let's hope this is the case!
No, no, no, no, no. I refuse to go all digital now or ever. When it goes that way I'm out as a consumer. I love Nintendo, but my loyalty stops when physical options stop.
Chili Robo, AC:aF, TP HD, SMM, YWW have exclusive amiibo in the box
AC:HHD, Pokken Tournament have an exclusive amiibo card in the box
If Nintendo wants us to go all digital they should get out of the amiibo business. Or build the games into the amiibo chips. Buying a toy to get a code in the box to download a game doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They could of course do it that way, put a code card in the box, but why go to a store or wait for Amazon to deliver the toy when I could just download the game and not wait and then not buy the toy?
And they really need at least a 500GB HDD. Handheld probably only needs 128GB as it would be on a chip and handheld games tend to be smaller due to lack of 5.1 surround and lower resolution.
I'd be ok w/ the handheld download only - that's the way ALL smartphones and tablets work after all. But that would severely cut back on toy and card purchases on our part. And if NX is a hybrid that plays the same games I'd be ok w/ a game disc for home and download from the disc to internal storage for the handheld.
I do download more on Nintendo systems than anything else but I'm still going to go physical for as long as I can. It is cheaper overall for me.
The not enough memory is a moot argument. All you have to do is buy the memory. Of course the physicals will get all mad and start crying. You know walkmans are obsolete now.
If they really wanted to encourage digital, they should go full force with cross-buy. I buy digital for the occasional WiiU title if it's something I think I'll want to play in short bursts, but with 3DS I prefer the digital for the obvious reason that it's more portable. If they gave me cross-buy, I'd by digital for all multi-platform titles.
@River3636 If it was time to move on to digital only then surely the reaction to the initial vision of the XB1 wouldn't have been negative. That vision is literally what digital only gaming means.
physical is all for me. I do download some games off of the eShop like if I know I'll love them and come back to replay the game (Pokemon, for example). But as a mom of four kids, I only really buy or preorder when games are on sale. It's rare that I pay full price for a game. I tend to order games during E3 because Best Buy and Amazon always have a deal of 30% off preorders. Plus soon I will be buying games for three systems (getting a PS4 for my husband for his birthday) so I really can't afford eShop prices, unless it's something I really want.
I'm hoping that NX will be my first all-digital console. Just need an improved account system and a larger HDD (e.g. 1tb). Digital is the future whether we like it or not. And I'd rather be paying Nintendo directly than some guy on eBay.
@Benji_Nottz @River3636 It's still an extra expense that drives up the cost though, and since digital games are already full price, it's still a raw deal.
@japongt What the hell are you expecting? To get physical bonuses with your digital games? Keep your expectations in line with reality and you might not get so upset.
If it goes all digital, what happens in 10 or 20 years when my system craps out, is no longer supported and the games are no longer downloadable? I still have all of my physical NES games that are playable on any NES system and always will be. For a time we could download the original Teenage Mutant a Ninja Turtles game on the Virtual Console. My Wii crashed and I cannot redownload that game. Gone for good. If I break or lose my physical copy of a game, it's my fault. Should Nintendo or whatever publisher decide to no longer offer the game, it's not my choice or fault. Perfect example: P.T. on the PS4. Yes it was free, but it cannot be downloaded ever again if my PS4 dies. Digital is a slippery slope that I hope to never have to tolerate.
Its digital for the virtual console games. But physical for retail games.
Physical for me. I like to have and feel the copy. In such way I can also sell or exchange games I do not play anymore. With digital I have only to loose, especially with Nintendo that doesn t make frequent sales on the eshop.
I normally buy digital only indies and aaa games on sales, but mainly on PSN since there is always great sales.
@japongt It seriously unlocks nothing of importance. "Here's Shadow Mewtwo! You can only use him until you turn off the system!" It's nothing worth getting hot and bothered over.
That said, I don't mind the downloads as long as Nintendo puts in more than 32 flipping gigs in their next system. I have a lot of physical games (~140) and yeah, they look great on the shelf but at the end of the day, they're just gonna be taking up more room than their worth if I keep collecting. (I don't do reselling)
@tjhiphop
I'm expecting to get a download code in the receipt for the exact same bonus? lol?
I don't want digital only just because of storage space. Even with a 1TB HDD on my PC, I have more than enough games to fill it up. My 500gb HDD on both my Wii U and PS4 are at capacity.
With game sizes growing larger and larger and DLC/patches being a regular thing at large sizes themselves, it's hard to keep enough space. At least with a retail copy, I don't need to delete 25gb worth of space and wait for the download. It's just plug and play. Plus, my 25mb/s internet is not friendly with large downloads
Maybe they should put out a system with actual storage capacity and hardware specs that aren't modern by 1999 standards if they want people to buy into this crap.
Meanwhile, they'll charge you the same price for the digital version compared to the physical, while saving lots of money on production and shipping costs. How about some actual incentive to do this?
So Nintendo want us to download more but at this current stage they give is an 8GB Wii U (what a joke) and a 32GB Wii U (less of a joke but still embarrassing).
Lack of cross buy deals. Just look at SNES releases on the 3DS and Wii U.
Lack of a 21st century account system with a current one that is again embarrassing.
Oh and some lame sales promotions. PS4 sale promotions put Nintendo to shame.
Sorry but Nintendo will need to step up their game big time if they want people to download more.
@Hordak
I could also argue that your physical games are gone for good and you'll need to buy again if they broke or got lost but you can redownload if it's digital.
Nintendo needs a better account system on the NX for sure.
@Grumblevolcano You have a point. I'm sorry if I'm coming off little crass. I'm extremely hung over. I just don't get why people want to contribute to packaging. Global warming is real. I'm sure everyone can go to the grocery store and use tote bags, but the majority would rather take the easy way out and have them bag your groceries in plastic. It's just pure laziness and it is ruining the world. People are ridiculous. Ronald Reagan called and he wants his Rubics Cube back. That's what the physical represents to me. A waste on resources and waste on evolution. I wish people would evolve already.
@kobashi100
Don't get so hung up on Nintendo's past mistakes. I believe they'll do better on the NX.
@Hordak I'm inclined to agree with the supreme leader of the Evil Horde on this one. I'm a collector and I always keep games I purchase.
Not doing so until their account system isn't a joke. On top of the large downloads sometimes getting corrupted part-way through, it's a pain in the ass to get games and saves over to a new console if the need arises. Better than it was during the Wii days, but that's not saying much.
Cross-buy also needs to be a thing because there's no excuse for the 3DS NES and N3DS SNES games to cost full price. And don't give me the different emulator/architecture bullshit. They have entire teams of people and documentation of their own devices to get stuff to run. These aren't amateur programmers working on their own. Now that Nintendo Network's a thing, there's no excuse.
I will only do that if download games become significantly cheaper. Like, $25 retail game cheap. I'm not paying $60 for a download. Physical, yes. Not a download. Even then I still like having games on my shelf and I like collector's editions. Digital doesn't give you that.
@Bolt_Strike While that argument certainly holds true for Wii U where you have to buy an external HDD that's at least $60 on sale, for 3DS that argument doesn't hold any water. SD cards are a dime a dozen.
@SupremeAllah
Because they don't want to undercut the retailers who sells their games in physical form.
Physical copies are as obsolete as a thigh master. Susan Summers called she want Three's company back.
@Grumblevolcano
Eh, the XB1 wanted you to connect to the Internet once a day else you can't play games on it. That was the main reason of the fallout.
@Peach64 I agree with you. The lack of sales is what puts me off. Call me old fashioned but I almost always buy physical because more often than not it's cheaper than buying it on the eshop with nintendo's non-existant sales. I honestly would buy more games on digitally on consoles if they were cheaper. Last year I bought Dragon's Dogma and Mirror's Edge on PSN for $12 and $3 respectively in comparison to their retail price which were sitting around $20 to $30 each
@River3636 I will come to the 21st century just as soon as digital prices come down to match physical copies which can be easily £10 cheaper. That's a big difference.
Also I have an internet cap so downloads (think it's 100 gigs per month), and this can be a big problem, as many people also find. And then there are people with slow internet speeds.
Oh and music and films are still selling strong in physical form, in fact speaking of the 80s - vinyl is making a big comeback here in the UK, so it's not all about being digital.
And besides what difference does it make to you if someone buys in a physical form?
NintendoLife's in-depth look into the rewards program has made me little bit happier. The Platinum rewards I can get behind because they are all free. Determining exactly what I will be able to get also encourages me to look further. Other than that, I hate digital purchase and will not support that.
Price is pretty much the only issue for me. I have an extra harddrive for Wii U and a massive sd card for 3DS. I'm also okay without having a box or a bonus and my internet is unlimited and very fast. But digital costs more to start with and then has zero value as I cannot sell it on. If Nintendo becomes all digital then I simply won't buy as many retail games.
Also, if Nintendo does go all digital they had better make sure they find a way to lock out all piracy right from the outset because it's becoming rampant again on 3DS (at least that's what it looks like on a site I visit that is a platform for Android apps and has a massive section for 3DS also). If Nintendo gets a reputation for being expensive the legitimate way, then they risk making piracy even more appealing.
Sony is having a great Flash sale now. I picked up Muramasa Rebirth for 7.50, Prince of Persia for .99, and a another Prince of Persia for 1.99. Nintendo should model Sony's flash sales and there account system.
I don't think most of the consumers are ready for an all digital market. I think the industry will never have all digital but most will be digital only. I think the Call of Duties and the Marios will always have physical releases. Smaller titles and Indies will be digital releases.
This reward scheme isn't going to encourage me to purchase more games unless Nintendo incorporates physical games into their gold rewards.
@Splatburst There were other things that caused big problems though like how you couldn't share games, no trade-in or buyback type program, no gifting options, etc. Of course the other gigantic thing was compulsory Kinect.
I love downloading all my games, as the price of extra storage is worth it for the convenience (before someone says I'm too lazy to change a disc, I do take my systems with me to places which means a lot less to carry). Price isn't a big deal, because in Canada we never see new Nintendo games for sale until they have been out for quite a while.
The only frustration I have is editions with bonuses. Twilight Princess HD has an amiibo, that Nintendo does not yet sell separately here. It's a pain.
@FragRed see comment 37. "Vinyl is making a big comeback in the UK". Good for vinyl. I really don't understand your lack of internet capacity as well. It must be a British thing, but I still melt when I here the accent.
@FragRed "Oh and music and films are still selling strong in physical form".
You are aware of Apple aren't you. They have these great gadgets that sell music and you download them to your phone and stream them to your watch. You can even get something called an iPod.
Richard Simmans called he wants his workout tapes back.
To get people to further embrace digital, I'd say a few things are needed:
1) Standard price cuts and many sales, digital is cheaper to distribute than to physically make and distribute, and the buyer loses out on the option to re-sell the game and get a portion of their money back (if they don't like it, or otherwise). Therefore, digitial prices should automatically be 20% or more cheaper than physical. Digital copies are also unlimited, with low costs to transfer the data.
2) For home console, while buying a hard drive is a fairly easy way to expand memory, Nintendo did not do this in the best possible manner (limited USB ports such that an external hard drive cuts out other options like GC adapter), there should've been enough onboard memory to handle standard system/game updates for those who go physical disks, plus some extra so that those who are curious about digital can make a few purchases, as many will not make the plunge to digital until they can try it first. For WiiU the minimum space should've been at leasst 64GB, 128GB would've probably been optimal. There is a balance between finding a good level of onboard memory (avoid extra costs for unused memory), but if you want people to go digital there has to be some level of convenience. Plus it's not good for the customer or the system's reputation if it feels like the company skimps on an area (memory was one such area).
3) Related to the price cuts, games are fairly expensive form of entertainment. I tend not to buy games new unless I am 75+% sure I will like it enough to justify the price. If everything is digital and there is not the opportunity to rent or buy and resell a game, I (and others) will probably be even pickier on what we invest in. Sales are good for this point of reducing the price to a range where more gamers will take the plunge. If the game industry overall made the standard price of games lower, say $45 for a new wiiu game and $30 for a new 3ds game, digitally, more people would try more games, and it'd of course attract attention to the system (when games / accessories are well priced)
@Hordak That's what backup is for. As long as it is implemented right by Nin/Sony/MS and the user do it right, it's safer than physical, which can be stolen, damaged, lost or even destroyed (like the house caughting fire), while you can have multiple backups in different locations for a cheap price (principally Nintendo which you only need 500gb for the entire Wii U library).
Digital definitely has its benifits. I own lots vc titles for wii u - its fine, I still prefer buying games physical. If the nx was download only I dont think I would buy it.
I would buy digital if the prices reflected cheaper than disc versions which even on release date is cheaper than the eShop downloads.
Pokemon Tournemant £45 on eShop, £35 on Amazon. Even Game.co.uk selling the download code is cheaper than eShop at £39.
For me downloads would be a definite method of purchase if Nintendo eShop was more like Steam in its pricing model.
Windwaker download on eShop is still over £50!!
Haha they are joking right with 32gb memory cards bonded in the consoles it fill up with like 3 big games. Nintendo needs to put 2tb HHD's i nits next console or make the option to fit one your self like the PS4.
Yes lets make games multi region and the option to fit bigger hard drives ... Hmmmm that would be a start and more Cross play as well so we don't have to buy a game twice like Snes games.
How I mentioned in a similar nota before; when Nintendo fix/improve the problems for recovery software when the console failure (hardware problems), then, I would buy more in digital; but add another thing; also, the price, as many people have mentioned, if the similar a the physical, really, not worth the digital; and here in Mexico, the price is high (sometimes, is ridiculous!), really here a game not cost $60 dollars, cost $70 o more! (well, by the exchange almost costs $60, but not before or when stabilize), and, I don't refer to physical shops, I refer the Mexican Nintendo eShop!
No! F*** off! Especially with how Nintendo price their games and treat the eShop. Sorry if you're offended by the language.
Mario Galaxy 2, a Wii game only became a Nintendo Selects title last week.
I usually always buy physical and it usually works out cheaper
I'm using a 200gb micro, all DLs work for me
Nintendo want us to download more stuff because it is profitable for them if we do. And then go to the store and buy the Amiibos because again more profit.
But Special Edition sets are an exception, we should get them from the store along with the Amiibo's, because for a much bigger price tag we get, along with the game, a book or a plastic toy.
That's what Nintendo want us to do.
Profit comes before value for money.
The physicals are still living in the past and can not get passed their 8 bit mentality. Bill Clinton called and He wants Monica Lewinsky back.
Until the internet age is further along, what with bandwidth limits and Nintendo's poor decision to include modest storage space on their consoles, I don't really see a digital only future any time soon. Games are growing larger and larger in size, especially those on home consoles and the increase in size doesn't always bode well for an individual's bandwidth, especially in a large household where there are more than one or two people utilizing the internet. And of course there is the issue of the current state of affairs regarding the lack of unified account system on Nintendo's systems. With that in mind, I'm personally most comfortable in purchasing physical gaming media until I can be assured that my digital purchases are safeguarded against damage or loss of a system.
@Bolt_Strike
You do have to upgrade, no doubt about that, but it least both Nintendo platforms allow you to do that to the extent you'll never run out of space, AND allow you to do it for cheap.
My Vita ran out of memory 10x faster than 3DS, only I had to spend $100 on a 64gb card that's now maxed out and nothing I can do about it, whereas my 3DS has a $20 64gb card with at least 3/4 of its space left (and I have 4x as many digital games on 3DS).
Same for Wii U- it lasted me about half a year to a year, then I had to buy an HDD (and I only buy digital for indies, VC and digital exclusives). But at least I'll never run out of space. A $40 500gb HDD will last forever. On PS4 I ran out of space in a year and upgraded to 2TB for $100, and that's already full (appr. 270gb left I think?). And I'm screwed once it fills up.
So I count my blessings. There's not a console I owned that I haven't had to purchase additional space for, but it's always way cheaper on Nintendo platforms to do it, and once upgraded you never have to worry about running out.
The one thing I actually take issue with is that NNID's are tied to each piece of hardware. It's better then their previous system before the NNID was invented, but it's more of a stopgap measure for this generation until they get a proper account based system in place for NX (at least, I sure hope so- I'll be pretty disappointed if they don't get this issue resolved for the coming generation)
@River3636
"Living in the past"
No, we're living in reality. And the reality is you own a physical disk and can sell it- you cannot do that with digital games on consoles. Another reality is a disc will play in any console, but digital games are on only one (and even on other platforms you'd have to sign in and download the game and updates to another console- so much easier to just bring your disk and pop it in). Another reality is that it looks nice on a shelf to display. You can't display digital games on a shelf.
So you say living in the past, I say living reality, where there are countless benefits and advantages to doing so. Both are digital media. But only one has that information pressed on a tangible medium that can be bought, sold, displayed, shared, etc.
Include adequate storage on day 1, have better sales and an account system that stays with the the user not the device and I will consider it.
The included 4GB card included with the New 3ds should be a minimum of 24 GB. Best Buy and other retailers routinely do buy 2 get 1 free type sales, the eShop should do something similar.
@JaxonH well stated Jax.
@River3636 Oh dear... "The Physicals". You're giving these people pejorative tags now, are you? Can we not turn this into some sort of stupid make-believe game of tribal warfare? There's enough of that around as it is.
If you need "people who buy physical copies of video games" to be your enemies, you're living in a very small world.
@JaxonH You can state that you are living in your own reality. Where clutter and a larger global footprint reins supreme. Who lugs around disks anymore? The whole cast of the breakfast club called and would like another hit movie.
@River3636
If you've been reading the comments section you'll see that I'm living in the same reality as pretty much everyone else here, except you.
Global footprint? Better sell your car and buy a segway then, and Bring your own bags to the grocery store. Who lugs around discs anymore? I imagine not many. I know I certainly don't. I have all my disks displayed on my beautiful shelf, as most here probably do. If, in the rare event I bring a game somewhere else, I can carry one 2 ounce disk. Not exactly the same thing as lugging around 300 of them at once
My problem with digital downloads is Nintendo's account system being linked to the hardware, if I break my 3ds/lose it all my content is gone and will have to replace everything. With physical games all I have to do is replace the system. Its about time they made it so you could redownload games on any system you log into even if they use the "primary" system like Sony awesome. I like my portable consoles to be portable with hundreds of pounds of digital content at risk every time I leave the house I wouldn't ever take it with me. As for missing out special edition games with bonus physical items, just sell the bonus items separatly in limited quantities to keep them "collectible". At least then people will have more choice with what format they buy the game in. But in the mean time fix the account system.
'I'm totally cool with spending 70$ for a game that, if it gets scratched, cracked, snapped or stolen, I'll never be able to play it again.
I'm furious that Nintendo / Sony / Microsoft would ask me to pay 70$ for a game I will have as long as I want to own it.'
'Yeah? Well I'm furious that Nintendo let me choose how much storage my console had instead of charging me a premium like Sony and Microsoft. Despite the fact that physical discs take up only as much space as their updates and don't require a mandatory install.'
'And I'm upset because a 7" piece of plastic is the one screaming point keeping me from supporting amiibos with download codes. I know I get all of the pretty toys and posters and crap that I don't need but think looks cool, but without that piece of plastic, it's ****ing worthless!'
Funny read, this one.
So you want cheap physical games, a better account system, and Nintendo to pay you to do so?
Idiocy.
So you've gone full digital, sacrificing physical copy for instant gratification? Here, have some eShop credit.
It's pretty obvious why Nintendo fans want everything without consequences: they aren't smart enough to make tough decisions on their own.
In life, you pay a premium for the 'better' choice. It's how it's always been. On the flipside, maybe Nintendo should do what Microsoft was going to do and prevent used games from playing on the NX.
Why does Nintendo want to go digital only?
Because used games and trading games LOSES them money.
They're a business and everyone, literally EVERYONE on this page needs to stop treating them like they're your friend.
I have no idea why people don't see how screwed we are going to be when everything goes download only!
You currently have no option of retrieving anything you've bought if your system dies or needs repairs. They remove backwards compatibility and kill any second hand buying.
We'll be the ones paying extra for games we've owned, and of course we'll pay 60 bucks forever, even for games like captain toad and sticker star, that deserve the 30 bucks discount I got them for!
@Maxz - "The Physicals" that sounds really cool. I guess I did give them a tag. They are not my enemy. I am just making a suggestion infused with satire. The physicals can cry and mown all they want but over time they will make the change it is just inevitable. FYI telling someone to grow up isn't going to change their opinion.
Mr. T called and he wants his A Team back.
See comment 37
If Nintendo does this, I will stop playing their games. I want physical copies.
@CharlieSmile just curious, what did you mean by "game stores are not a friendly place for people like me"?
@River3636 Almost the entire readership of NintendoLife called and you like you to stop using this lame sentence construction.
Please.
You're coming across like some sort of belligerent parrot.
@River3636
As a suggestion, re read your comments. You come off as aggresive and annoying, and that doesn't help your arguments, instead it makes you look like you have a tantrum.
@Sakura Indeed, any 3DS right now can be downgraded in order to run amateur programs or be reconfigured to play unsigned game copies.
On another side, I'm pretty happy to have the free region opportunity. But, true, I used it to pirate too: I downloaded a few fan-translated SNES roms encapsulated into the new SNES VC application for my n3DS (no PC since a long time).
@garfreek I don't even think you legally "own" the game. (I should check the e-shop user agreement and the rules you can read while buying)
I prefer physical - my old consoles are all in good shape, so I can play my retro games whenever I want. I don't have that same security with digital - if the company decides to remove the game from the eshop, you're done for.
Oh, and I can sell my physical copy whenever I want. A couple days ago I traded in some games I didn't like for OoT 3D. So worth it.
@Mainer82
Rest assured no console manufacturer will go all digital. Cartridges? Sure. But not digital only. They are not stupid by any means and they know better than any of us exactly what percentage of the market will not buy digital. They know better than we do that only 5 to 10% of their games are sold on the digital storefront. They know good and well the other 90-95% will not take kindly to it. So I can safely assure you this will not happen.
But if, 20 years from now, it ever did, I'd reluctantly continue to buy their games. I wouldnt be happy about it, at all, but ultimately I'm not willing to sacrifice playing all my favorite games over it.
Eshop prices are disgusting and the sole reason I don't buy off there often eventhough I prefer to have games digitally.
I swear Wind Waker was £50 on there when I bought it for £35 in a shop. Twilight Princess HD on eshop is £40 but I got the special edition with amiibo and soundtrack from Amazon for £36 pre-order, £50 for Pokken whereas I got it for £40 with Mewtwo amiibo card off Amazon.
Not to mention the virtual console prices when we can all download ROMs for free.
@Maxz more like a hung over one. O.K. I get it, but it was kind of fun. Forgive me gamers for I have sinned. I must order a Supreme pizza. The more grease the better.
@Luna_110 I have never been called aggressive before. Annoying. Yes.
I'm just going to do one more and I'll stop.
The Golden Girls called and they want their Metamucil back. They also said thank you for being a friend.
If they want us to go all digital then why don't they have the Wolf Link Amiibo for purchase for those that bought the eshop version of Twilight Princess HD?
Even though that bothers me I've already gone all digital.
@garfreek 'Remove backwards compatibility'?
PS3, Saturn, Dreamcast, Wii Mini, DSi, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One, SNES, N64, Gamecube all removed or didn't have backwards compatibility.
It's funny that this industry buzzword has been tossed around for a decade without people thinking that, every generation has gotten stronger with less backward compatibility.
I have a PS4 and I cannot wait for the PS3 to fully die so I don't have to suffer another gimped port.
Keep backward compatibility and all new systems become is a breeding ground for nostalgia.
It's funny to me, PS3 struggled (badly) before Sony cut the BC model. PS4, without BC, has been one of the fastest selling consoles ever.
Pretty obvious that BC is something that few truly care for.
"Nintendo wants us to download more and move on from discs will it work?"
In a word, no. As the recent poll has suggested, the split of physical vs digital is learns slightly towards the physical. So if you go full on digital or learn heavily in that direction they'll just alienate more than half of their fans, which they cannot afford to do. Nintendo need to do more to win new fans, reclaim old ones and keep the ones they've got.
Consumers like options and everyone is different, and Nintendo needs to appeal to as many people as possible.
I think the whole thing is overblown. Nintendo is more than likely seeking parity with it's gaming contemporaries. The My Nintendo reward program is essentially their version of programs already in place at Sony and Mircrosoft.
While physical buyers may feel shafted, one thing to remember, which has already been mentioned is you can either find the game cheaper at retail, or a discount is received as being a part of another loyalty program or even used. Gotta throw digital buyers a bone, ya know? Especially since Ninty isn't as generous with eShop discounts. With the case of Nintendo, physical buyers are getting special first print perks, be it an amiibo bundled in (TPHD) Steelcase or bonus games (Star Fox Zero) or early access to full games (Fire Emblem Fates Special Edition, not to mention IT'S THREE GAMES ON ONE CART! how awesome is that?) So it's clear that Nintendo isn't abandoning physical games anytime soon. Not to mention, Nintendo has the collector's market on lock what with how people snap up 3DSes with different paint jobs chief among the many other collectibles.
@JaxonH well said... Though:
To play Devil's advocate: With this gen it's almost no difference, given the fact that once you pop that disk in, you have to wait for it to install to your hard drive and still download any patches that may be available. Though if you're on a console with a spotty connection at best, it would still be advantageous to have a physical copy. With that said, at least with the XBox One, I can just detach my external drive, plug it in another XB1, sign in and have my whole collection with me.
From a business standpoint the benefits of digital are pretty obvious. Much easier to track copies sold, no need to pay royalties to retailers or packaging costs to worry about, you dont have to worry about fighting for shelf space. The whole point of digital is mainly convenience. My entire PC collection is pretty much all digital mainly because Steam has pretty much nailed digital distribution. Its easy to reclaim your games if something happens and steam cloud makes it easy to sync your progress across machines. Once you have a game all you have to do is install steam, sign into your account install and you are pretty much good to go. They also have family sharing which lets you share games across accounts. If Nintendo got more in line with steam I wouldn't mind if they went all digital
@Peterjr1 That's all it is, right?
Why buy anything when you don't agree with the prices? Might as well just pirate whatever you want, yeah?
How about this: next time gas / diesel / petrol is too high for your taste, fuel up and drive away.
Or siphon it from another person's tank.
Why buy what you can get for free?
Why buy anything you can get for free?
Next time you're at Walmart, pocket an amiibo.
Open up a case at Best Buy and take the game.
Go ahead.
They're not presenting it to you for free, you might as well.
Justifying piracy because you don't want to buy something for the price it's being offered at doesn't make you some champion of consumer justice. It makes you a pirate.
If you don't agree with it, don't buy it.
But advocating piracy because you disagree with the price point makes you a pirate. Aka, a thief.
I hate digital downloads, I like to collect my Nintendo consoles and games, digital just doesn't work for me...
@Sir_JBizzle
Well, on other consoles you have to let it install but not on Nintendo.
But my point wasn't to assault the merits of digital, but rather to defend the integrity of buying physical from this Segway riding, recyclable toting environmentalist that asserted we are "living in the past"
@DiscoGentleman - I know. They do get mad. I just don't understand why. Is it really important to have that on display in your room. If I'm going to bring someone over to have a little fun. I don't want them seeing all my games on display. It kind of ruins the mood. I like to just have a little on display. Like an amino here and there. I do own every Nintendo console and most are in my garage. If I want to play and old game I just do VC or go the ROM route. I don't know why people are so touchy.
Nintendo isn't trying to get people to abandon discs with My Nintendo.
It literally makes no sense for them to insert reward codes in physical purchases, when the whole damn world hated it to the point of protesting in the media and on social media.
I mean countless articles were posted over the years decrying Nintendo's forcing people to enter pins to get Club Nintendo points.
Why would Nintendo returned to it after being roasted by the media and dealing with massive consumer outrage on social media?
With 3DS and Wii U being both of the market by the end of 2107, there is no reason to do support those physical purchases and risk tarnishing the new My Nintendo brand by associating it with 3DS and Wii U in the eyes of the public.
Club Nintendo users hated hated hated entering in PINs and information to get prizes. This cannot be understated.
Also It was very expensive to manufacture the physical prizes for the Western territories and even more expensive to mail them.
With the majority of Global Club Nintendo users constantly protesting the physical rewards and keeping the backlash going on social media until Club Nintendo over how they "hated" the physical prizes.
Hell even the media reported how Nintendo was poorly treating it's fans with the physical merchandise of Club Nintendo.
It didn't help that Club Nintendo users the world over complained about the digital offerings not being original enough and exclusive to Club Nintendo.
Everyone seems to have forgotten how badly Club Nintendo was hated in each territory by the global userbase.
My Nintendo is supposed to rectify the issues that generated the 6+ year long campaign that Club Nintendo users ran against Nintendo in the media and through social media.
Nintendo no longer makes you enter information, you get exclusive My Nintendo digital titles, you get current games and discount of current games, and lastly you get DLC
Lastly the in game achievements net you My Nintendo points to spend on.
So you are literally getting spendable points for playing games and using the service.
This puts every literal consumer rewards program to shame.
If you hate new My Nintendo rewards program, then you obviously haven't used other rewards programs.
Many people are taking to social media and reedit to protest how this new program functions, if you wish to joint hem
Download only? No thanks, Nintendo!
Download only has a marginal (at best) benefit to the consumer.. Nintendo is really the one who stands to benefit from such a move! Cheaper for Nintendo but where does the consumer benefit?
I'm still upset they don't even include a printed manual anymore! For me, the box, artwork, and manual were all part of the fun!
Continue to make downloads an option, not mandatory..
@River3636
Nobody here is "touchy".
If people are getting an attitude it's only because you repeatedly insult them for their preferences.
Everybody was fine until you started saying how people who have a different preference to you live in the past and need to evolve
@MarvinTheMartian It's not even close to half.
The mix of gamers you see on a site like this is skewed heavily towards collectors.
Rarely, if ever, will a Nintendo focused site ever favor the growing populace of download gamers.
The vocal minority are collectors, the ones that watch E3 livestreams, have multiple variations of the same console and spend thousands on their precious 'game rooms'.
As for me, I go download majority (anything over 30 GB I buy physically) because it's 2 hours of travel to get to a game store.
As an aside..
I won't buy off of Amazon, as I feel like the point of buying physical is to both have the box and support actual people.
And from what everyone has heard of Amazon's business practices, they aren't worth supporting.
But if you're cool with the company you buy from overworking and abusing their work force, then good on you for saving a couple bucks.
@JaxonH what do you have against segways??
@Sir_JBizzle
I love Segways! But I'm not going to take a girl out to the movies on one
@wiiincarthage I can't believe I'm replying to this but ok.
I live in Canada.
I have 4-6 friends that are tree planters. As in, they go to deforested areas and plant trees to replace the trees that have been cut down. I have been to South America and seen the sad state of the rain forests there.
You're upset they don't make physical books anymore? I'm upset it was ever a practice. This country still values farming economically and that is going to suffer massively due to an insanely moderate winter.
Without a regular snowfall, the losses this economy takes (in hand with an additional 6 billion from oil losses) is going to be close to 3 billion.
And here you are, complaining you don't get free print manuals with your plastic luxury item.
It makes me sick that this is even still an issue, but you clearly haven't been in places where peoples lives have deteriorated because of the moronic choices people used to make.
@Peach64
Actually Sony has limit of 2 PS4s per PSN ID.
One has to be set as the primary system.
You literally have to go through a process of delinking it from PSN, if you want to swap the second PS4.
I do believe you can only have 2 PSN IDs per Vita.
Microsoft has limit to how many systems you can use your XBL IDs as well.
Though it is much harder to delink a system from your account.
This is done to prevent piracy and stealing.
For the rest it's:
Apple/iTunes account - 5 computers (max), iOS (i'm not sure about)
Steam - 5 computers (max)
Origin - 5 computers (max)
Windows Store - 5 devices (max)
All of these require you to remove that computer/device from your account if you want another when you are at max limit.
When you deactivate/delink a device, you will lose the purchases on that device.
When Hacked:
Sony will normally banned your PSN account outright once they realize the hack or it's reported.
You then have to go through a process of getting legal documentation to prove you are the legitimately hacked.
Most people lose with Sony and lose all their digital content.
You also run the risk of your systems being banned from PSN.
Microsoft locks your account and access to your digital purchases for a set time for you to prove you were hacked.
if they don't accept your information, your XBL ID and your system are banned from XBL with all digital purchases gone.
Same goes for Windows 10 store.
Steam outright bans your account and it's very hard to get Valve to reinstate your account, even though you were hacked. You will literally lose everything since Valve is very heavy handed.
Origin, EA is the best on this.
Apple is the nicest one, but they too lock your account and purchases until you prove your issue.
I'm not sure what Google Play does.
@JaxonH still touchy, that's ok you can display all you want. I own a Prius and I don't have problems with dates. Download only will happen. It is the future. It may not happen in this climate but in 5 - 10 years watch out. Let us look at the music industry. I also gave a disclosure stating I was hungover. So you have to cut me a little slack.
@NodesforNoids
There's also a growing populace of moderate collectors such as myself. I fit into a category of people who don't have extremely large game rooms and multiple versions of consoles and don't really focus on sealed games (except for the rare exception of Fire Emblem game collection, personally).
I just think with the decreasing value of reselling, more and more people are opting to keep their games and amass a smaller collection of used games. I have a nice little collection but when compared to some of the serious collectors out there it's basically amateur hour
@River3636
And if the day comes that it ever does go all digital then I'll adapt. In the meantime, I'll respect those who prefer digital and only ask that those who prefer digital likewise respect my preference for physical.
It's not a competition. It's just what people prefer. But the gaming industry will be the last to go all digital because such a large portion of consumers prefer physical. Even if the day comes where 80% of people are willing to buy digital it's still not going to be enough for them to make the switch because they're not going to willingly forfeit 20% of their net revenue.
@River3636
Actually digital music sales are collapsing.
They are down double digits over the past few years, as people have literally stopped buying digital music.
Music Streaming is stagnate
Physical music sales are rising over past 4 years according to sales trackers.
Piracy is growing rapidly in the music industry and is eating digital sales.
Yeah don't use music sales as a metric.
@JaxonH tell me this isn't romantic.
@Sir_JBizzle
Lol...
You're killin me here Biz
@JaxonH well said. That Segway is awesome too.
@Xenocity I don't know anyone except my Mi Ma who owns physical music. It must be piracy. I buy and stream music digitally.
The music industry is more like a test case anyway.
If they make system similar to Steam, have nice sales for digital purchases and plenty of GB space on their system, then I don't care if the next system is all digital.
@NodesforNoids very funny.
The only instance in which I was 'advocating piracy' was in my statement that we can obtain ROMs for free which Nintendo are charging around £7 for for decades old games. How do you presume that people get hold of games that aren't on the virtual console? That's right, the dreaded piracy. I don't 'pirate' games myself but it agitates me when I can't find a retro game I want on the eshop so I wait for it to eventually release and its £7-8. The rest of my post was just about reasonable pricing for games that no one is considering pirating so screw your self-righteousness.
There are more than a fair number of used games in my PS4 collection. Thief (which I was told I would hate, though I ended up enjoying), Knack (same as with Thief), Watch Dogs (same), Tomb Raider, Madden 25 (cheap), ACIV (super cheap) and Wolf Among Us.
All less than a third of what they cost new or digitally.
Bloodborne, Transformers, Zestiria SAO Lost Song all physical for cheap (less than half digital but all games I bought the system for).
And over 70 games digitally.
More than anything, I've collected rare and hard to find Blu-ray and DVD movies that aren't available on streaming or download stores.
With close to 300 items, gaming storage space is at a premium. The PSN store sales have helped inflate those digital numbers alot.
@River3636
Music industry is definitely not a test case.
Songs have small file sizes, which are easy to download even on dial up.
You can fit 1000s on a small 2GB USB stick.
With music being sold as DRM free on online, it was only a matter of time before piracy returned in a huge fashion.
I know plenty of people who have returned to buying CDs and Records because they have better sound than digital files and they don't have to deal with horrible online practices.
I keep seeing new record stores opening up selling brand new records.
Most major albums now release on records again and record sales are rapidly increasing (well going from nothing to something is big).
Movies, software and games are huge in file size.
1 Hour of SD Program is ~4-8 GBs of data.
1 Hour of HD 720p Programming is between 20 - 40 GBs (based on compression and audio).
1 Hour of 1080p is normally over 40GBs.
This is why ISPs hate movie/TV streaming and regularly blocking and throttling sites like Netflix and iTunes.
A game like Assassin's Creed, FIFA, Madden, Halo, Uncharted etc... run between 20-50GBs+ this gen for each game.
Most PC/Mac Software ranges from 10GBs - 50GBs+ depending on what it is.
Mobile software can be as big as 10GBs+ now.
The current internet and ISPs aren't built for these huge file sizes and won't be for decades if that.
@maukenboost
You better make sure your Steam account is well secured with 2 Step identification and Steam Shield (uses the mobile Steam app).
If someone hacks your account or reports it being hacked, you will lose your account and games.
It's very hard to convince Valve to reinstate your account and purchases.
No chance. The only reason Nintendo, MS and the like want a digital-only future is because it's better for them. Not better for the consumer, better for them. They get rid of pesky price Wars and second-hand sales, they get complete control of pricing, they can charge you what they want. Meanwhile they get higher profit margins because they remove manufacturing and distribution costs from the chain.
The best thing for consumers is as many methods of consumption as possible and as many outlets as possible to create competition. Those of a more discerning bent realise this, unfortunately there are people out there who swallow the hype. Maybe they like doing what they're told, I don't know. I personally will carry on buying physical with the occasional digital purchase thrown in when it suits me.
@Peterjr1 Screw my self-righteousness?
So you missed the chance to buy the game the first time through (for 50-70$) and that's Nintendo's fault?
No, screw your inability to come up with a REAL reason to justify piracy.
There are literally THOUSANDS of other games available.
I won't take your side just because it saves you a couple of dollars.
@NodesforNoids This isn't about Nintendo going "greener".. this whole issue is about Nintendo saving money and getting a bigger slice of the pie in detriment to the consumer. Nintendo, for example, didn't stop with printed manuals out a desire to save trees.. it was to save money.
People who depend on digital only will rue the day when the grid goes down and all mankind's knowledge with it. Me, I want something I can hold in my hand.
By the way, I understand the plight of deforestation but, thankfully, trees are a renewable resource used for much more than paper - and paper can be made from other materials as well.
Download more? Not as long as I have buy Zelda TPHD or Pokken to get the collectible amiibo and soundtracks. Ugh... Its ok. But I really wanna go all digital.
@Xenocity my pizza has finally arrived. I will eat and pass out on that one. It is safe to say that digital only will happen in the future. It is apparent it will not happen today.
Not having to switch between physical releases of games is quite the comfort. The only reason I'm still switching between Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. For Wii U is that I bought them both for less money than they're sold for on the eShop; otherwise, they'd be on my Wii U's USB drive already. Just wanted to state that out loud.
@NodesforNoids uh this is ridiculous. The majority of my post was about their ridiculous pricing structure in regards to CURRENT games on the eshop such as TPHP WWHD and Pokken. I had about 1 sentence at the end discussing virtual console which you have spun into me being a 'thief' and a 'pirate'. Your argument is illogical, no one can keep hold of every console and game they have had for all their lives. The virtual console allows for people to legally (as is pivotal for you) play games they love from decades ago. It is unfair that Nintendo then adds what can only be called a 'nostalgia charge' to triple the price it is worth for a game you have likely purchased multiple times before. Like I say, I wasn't talking about piracy in my post and your barrage is ridiculous to say the least.
@NodesforNoids I was comparing Nintendo eshop prices for current retail games with other retailers prices which are significantly more reasonable and was saying I'd prefer Nintendo to charge the more fair prices especially as the eshop doesn't have any bonuses the retail versions get. I was in no way advocating piracy at all and especially not for current retail games as i have never pirated myself.
@Danrenfroe2016 I was previously told I cannot discuss it on this site, sorry
@River3636 I'm a physical media person, and I use one of those "great gadgets", but only because I can rip the CDs I buy and then put them on the device.
I always prefer physical over digital not everyone has good internet. I go digital when I don't have any other choice.
@elric257 I'm glad to here that.
@CharlieSmile that story sounds amazing, maybe you could disclose it in a subtle way.
Even though I get almost all of my entertainment digital nowadays, I can see no good reason for consumers to want console games to be download-only. We'll get shafted all sorts of ways - higher prices, games getting pulled and becoming completely unavailable, stricter region-locking, inability to lend/swap/resell games, inability in general to use on multiple devices. They're not small problems...
I really feel that the existence of physical media keeps Nintendo honest, in a way.
I'd be content if NX went back to carts, with a nice box to put on your shelf and a printed manual. They'd be lots more expensive to produce than discs, and obviously digital would be cheapest , but the extra compactness and ruggedness of carts would justify the higher asking price. If they also lowered the price of the download version to probably about half of the physical's RRP, then I think the system could work. Unless they did something stupid like only releasing $120 collectors physical editions, of course...
I also think that the 'loyalty scheme' should apply to physical copies. It's not that difficult, inputting a code...
@River3636
Enjoy your pizza.
But there no guarantee of any media going full digital in the future.
There are many reasons why no media has gone full digital, ranging from customers to ISPs to retailers etc...
I can still buy new albums on records and CDs today and I can still buy many PC games in physical form here in the U.S.
"bricks and mortal stores."
Beautiful <3
@toxibunny
Actually SD cards are closing the gap with discs in price.
I mean discs will always be cheaper to produce, but the price gap is only a few dollars now and less if you doing bulk order.
SD cards and the like have the benefit of not being scratched and faster read/write speeds while holding similar data sizes.
It's Microsoft who is pushing digital only future, because the profit a lot from it due to them being in the networking and server business.
Microsoft has teamed up with EA, Activision, WB, and Ubisoft to make gaming digital only (original plan with Xbox One).
But ISPs have blocked users from PSN, XBL, Steam and Nintendo eShop for downloading too many GBs.
ISPs also regularly throttle PSN, XBL, eShop and Steam downloads. They do the same for online play as well.
Gaming consumers hate inputting codes to an absurd hatred.
In order for this to happen several things need to change:
1) The storage on the hardware has to be great enough for these games. Requiring an additional harddrive should not have to happen.
2) Digital copies of games must come with the same perks as ordering the physical copy.
3) Finally, an account system must be in place so I don't lose all of my games that I have bought, as well as be able to transfer from system to system.
4) Offer competitive discounts on games. Amazon offering 20% off on games will always draw me more than the regular price of an online code. There just needs to be more discounts in my opinion.
Until all of these things happen, I won't be on board for a long time.
PC is the only gaming platform I go 100% digital on, and that's because I literally have no choice. Exclusive indie games and the godlike power of mods force me to be okay with this. If the NX is going to be 100% digital, AND that "leaked controller" is 100% legit, then it had better be on-par or better then the hardware power of the Xbox One or PS4 because I predict death knolls.
Maybe I'd download if Nintendo gave me a bigger hard drive to actually download on.
@Xenocity If a disc costs 3 cents in bulk, and a cartridge costs 3 dollars in bulk, that's a 10,000% increase. Which is huge, in bulk or not...
Also, I doubt people would hate so much inputting a code to get 60 gold My Nintendo points more than they'd hate not getting any gold points at all. Just sayin'...
Going all-digital on PC is fine, because it's an open system...
@toxibunny
The benefits of SD cards for gaming out weights the cheapness of Blu-ray for gaming.
You could literally get rid of load times, installs, and other issues by using big enough SD cards.
You can literally have a 256GB SD card that has faster read/write times than a 50GB Blu-ray.
You forget how badly people hated and protested putting in PINs and other data into Club Nintendo to get the points and prizes.
It was widely reported in the media and on social media.
With the FE Fates release it is easy to see Ninty wants us to go digital I am not ready for that at least.
My brother and I go halves on the cost of most physical games and we can both play the same copy on our own separate consoles. Digital games are sold for full price but don't allow copies to be shared on separate consoles, making it a very inconvenient and unattractive option for us.
The eshop prices here in Ireland practically negate any potential to save money by buying digitally. I got a special edition of Splatoon from Amazon for €45; on the eshop it was €59.99. Not only did I make a saving of €15 and get an amiibo but I also didn't lose the space required to download the game digitally.
I'll be sticking to physicals until you pry them out of my cold, dead hands.
@Bolt_Strike Because external space is so expensive isn't it lol, Ive been digital for a long time now, haven't bought a physical game and I like it, it forces me to not sell my games.
I'm one that likes having the box art to look at and having the actual disc. I'm alright with some downloads, but for people that have bad internet (like myself), or the ones who never even stepped into the internet craze (yeah, there is quite a lot), then a system that is only download, could mean more troubled times. It's a big risk and I wouldn't see it taking off. Plus, many gamers buy used or trade games in. If you pay full price for a download, and it turns out to be horrible, you just wasted money. This is why I don't buy movies as downloads. Also, if the system dies and you go out and buy a new system...you could possibly lose the games. I'm on my second Sega Genesis due to the first dying, and I love that I can still play any of the games when I want to.
@NoNameAtAll "On top of the large downloads sometimes getting corrupted part-way through"
Happens to me all the time. If I download anything while my Wii U is turned on that's around 1gb or more I get the dreaded "data is corrupted " message. Its always during installation for me, sometimes even when it's at 99% and I foolishly think it's going to make it. I know it's my router to blame for that as sometimes the signal can momentarily drop but still, it can be an extremely frustrating experience waiting to see if my download will complete or I'll need to try again . The only way I can guarantee it'll complete is if I leave my Wii U on standby.It seems to take a lot longer this way though than it would if turned on. Xenoblade X took 3 days to finish.
"they're still tied to hardware for the consumer (not Nintendo, who can manage our applications and games in the cloud) on Wii U and 3DS, and we hope the NX, combined with the Nintendo Account system, will finally end that archaic practice."
This is main reason why I still can't take Nintendo's account system seriously (and why I've doubted NNID being a legitimate account system for so long). Once they resolve this issue, not only for NX but also their current gen machines, they'll have one of the better systems around.
I get the idea as we're becoming more of an online generation, but I still say keep the discs coming for these reasons:
-limited space on a hardware will definitely be a problem, like with Pokken coming out, I recall that players who own the 8GB Wii U couldn't download that one because of how big the digital game is. And if players wanted to have a big library of digital games that are also on retail, they would have to make room by deleting a lot of virtual console games that they wanna keep. Unless Nintendo makes a 500GB system, physical copies are the better option IMO. I don't doubt people prefer digital, call me old fashioned but its always great to hold a game in the palm of your hands.
-While many people have no problems downloading the games when purchasing them, but what about those who can't download them? Either due to bad internet connection, no possible internet but more likely people like me who have limited internet. Pending on how much internet is used, it would cost gamers more to download games and to play them online with the internet prices these days. Which the problem doesn't deride on the gaming companies, but the cable companies who keep ranking up the internet prices.
-Considering how producers make games for digital publishing...remember the fiasco with Capcom's Street Fighter X Tekken? While Nintendo has been on a good streak with their handling with DLC, you may never know the BS that some 3rd party companies might do to screw players over to make more money. Without the discs, 3rd party companies can find ways to milk our money. To get a better idea, watch Angry Joe's old rant about the SFxT game on youtube.
In short, I say there needs to be a balance. Downloadable games are never a bad thing considering the great selections we got and for those who want to get that over physical games, but to deny the customers who either prefer disc or can't afford to buy them cause of their internet bills, that's not good marketing. That decision would feel like their penalizing those who don't have unlimited internet or can't make the funds to pay for all digital. Since Nintendo is seen more as the casual company for gamers, then you can appeal to much more by keeping up with both physical AND digital.
I'm more concerned about pricing being impacted by exchange rates than lousy loyalty programs. Don't really care for Nintendo's lame rewards
@AVahne There is an absolutely 0% chance of them untying the NNIDs from the hardware for Wii U and 3DS.
@River3636 no
"Nintendo Wants Us to Download More and Move On From Discs - Will It Work?"
Nope. Next question.
@River3636 I can't disagree with you more.
Hey Nintendo, I own 3 3ds xls. Will you allow me to buy one digital copy and play it on all three of my 3DS's?
If the answer is no, I will never go digital.
@River3636 Are you a troll?
With pricing of digital being the same, or in most cases higher than physical, and the lack of on board space for the Wii U console its a resounding "No". Only in the case of the 3DS is it feasible, then again I mostly download games that offer download play so my family and I can play together.
All I can say is... I really don't want to move on from physical releases.
Digital is ok. I don't mind purchasing through my xbox or pc, because both Microsoft and Valve both have reliable, extensive systems set up. And you could log in from anywhere. Nintendo's system is still in its infancy, and honestly I don't trust them. I don't see them suddenly changing to an account based system anytime soon. And for anyone complaining about the Wii U not having enough space, get real. Go buy an external drive.
"...apparently those that download Fire Emblem Fates in all of its parts (for about $80) rather than buy a physical Special Edition bundle are more deserving of something extra."
I thought DLC doesn't apply for Gold coins; only the initial Birthright/Conquest purchase would be applicable for a meager 40 coins. What do people who download all three get extra?
Bought a large external drive from day one for my Wii U. I've started buying a most of my games digital on the Wii U. But, if they want us to go digital why is "Super Mario All-Stars" not available from the e-Shop?
Going digital only would have to mean much much lower prices for games. There are still some series I would like to get a physical copy of though.
Screw this policy. They have to lower prices A LOT to make that reasonable.
I used to be hard pressed for physical copies because of the lucrative trade in business but trading in games has become much less enticing because im not buying as many games as I used to. Now when i buy games im doing so with the intent to keep since theyre expensive and im much more selective.
As long as i have the game to play im fine and digital means i can own scores of them without taking up space. The only way im getting physical copies these days is with special editions.
@JaxonH @Sir_JBizzle @Xenocity
That was one hell of an early morning read guys.
I might as well weigh in on this one:
My opinion: It's a company, making money is kinda important to keep supplying goods and services, that's capatilism, ya all signed up for it when ya left the womb.
Wider Internet opinion: Nintendo is doomed, Sonic should die, all you play is kiddy games, why does this game have a k-pop crap song (Sung in German but whatever), it's not a real RTS, Japanese made games suck, why don't you have Steam (I do, just didn't add you idiots) and play real games. Get a girlfriend....wait a minute...
Sorry that seems to have been the past week for me. Nice to see when I venture out of my room and play games downstairs the tune hasn't changed. @rjejr I don't have any Jack Daniels but I do have some lager. IT'S TIME FOR THIS JOKE TO COME BACK GUYS!!
Digital needs to offer better pricing and perks. Downloadable artbooks and soundtracks would be nice and would start to convince me. 3DS gets themes, which aren't that great when you can get the game for cheaper than the eshop is selling.
I'm for it. It's nice not to have to change discs. Plus, takes away the, "Should I buy 2 copies of Zelda LE" frustration because there will be 0. It's the way the world is moving. To not do so would be another example of Nintendo being stuck in the past.
If all future digital games are $5 or less, then I'd consider it. Otherwise, no. I'm not wasting my money on the intangible. If they refuse to sell me physical copies of games, then I just won't buy games anymore. Why on earth is this new generation so dreadfully lazy that they can't switch their games out in their systems when they want to play another? It's no wonder this world is such a mess anymore.
One more thing, regarding the laziness factor, I'm betting that those who are too lazy to want to use physical copies of games have never read the fine print on all the digital copies. Every single digital game you "buy" from Nintendo, regardless of what you pay or who the publisher is, the fine print basically states this software is a rental, because it says YOU DO NOT OWN IT, you merely own the right to PLAY it and they can, at any time, revoke that, and you are agreeing to that every time you put forth the money on those transactions. So if you spend $1000 on these digital games and wake up one morning and find them all gone, well, too bad. They were never yours. Nintendo loves this. It's why they want to get rid of physical copies of games. And they make a ton of money doing this, and the people falling for it are truly the ones killing the future of the game industry. I wish it would stop. Wake up, people!!
@JaxonH http://rs402.pbsrc.com/albums/pp105/patti49/MICHAEL%20JACKSON/thriller19xo.gif~c200
Your bout with River was entertaining. Jax wins. Fatality.
I still typically go for a boxed version for two reasons:
1. It saves storage space on the 3DS.
2. I don't own a credit card, so if I want to add credit to the eShop, I have to use codes which I still need to go to the store for anyway.
If it ends up being download-only, I will move along, though. You need to be carrful with this stuff, though. Remember that PSP Go system nobody bought because it was download-only? You should never force these kind of things too quickly on people.
@Kiyata
Totally agree with you. If there is no more physical games then I am out. I dont like being forced to do something. I am a consumer and I like choice.
Just btw, companies dont lose money on second hand games. True they dont earn anything when the game's being traded but the question is if people would still buy their product at all if second hand wasnt possible or if people would buy as many products if selling them wasnt possible. Nintendo is losing money because of bad business decisions and bad games. How can they expect a game like amiibo festival to create millions of revenue.
@SanderEvers yes but Nintendo releasing an 8GB and 32GB console was a joke..
Why can't some people accept that releasing consoles with such low storage options is ridiculous and showed how out of touch Nintendo was with the gaming community.
I won't buy and external HDD out of principle so it's Nintendo who lose out as my 32GB Wii U run out of memory ages ago. I just don't download any Wii U games anymore.
NX console edition needs to be 1TB minimum.
I swear if Nintendo released console NX with only 250GB with external HDD support you would have people on here praising Nintendo and saying this is a good thing. Crazy logic!
@Zadaris
Splatoon is 39.99€ not 60€. It was 36€ for those who participated in the first global testfire.
Good grief, thats a lot of comments. I havent read them all (yet) but I know my opinion is the same as many I have read.
The benifits of Physical is that retailers often sell less than RRP and you can replay physical in 20 years time.
With digital the possibility of your storage medium become corrupt or failing is much higher than a pressed disk and as time progresses redownloading the game could stop been an option. (Sony's PSP no longer has access to the store and thats only been obsolete for 4 years)
Nintendo needs to offset this with benifits. Cross buy would help, but I think if games were released digitally at full RRP but 2 or 3 weeks earlier than physical it would increase digital sales without undermining Physical price structure.
Since I travel a lot - I prefer digital, otherwise I would still go physical just because they are usually cheaper and you can trade them in.
Though it may not be my cup of tea, digital games (and rewards, too, sadly) are in the inevitable future, sure, but now they're almost punishing those of us who enjoy buying in physical format by not rewarding us with anything at all. Why even sell physical copies, then? If Nintendo wants to shift to an all-digital market, yet still keep their physical-loving audience, why not reward half the points of a digital game to the person who registers a physical version of the game? That would at least help to ensure that their physical sales meets the number of copies they print.
I think the best chance Nintendo has of converting people to digital is if NX comes in portable and console flavours and a single purchase of download means freely playing on both variants. They've already played with this idea on a small scale with 3DS and Wii U, so now might be the time to go all the way. I think you'll also realistically want to deploy some kind of "family sharing" model like Apple has, so that they can sell multiple handhelds. That would certainly get me to consider the portable unit.
Definitely physical for me, but indie titles of course digital is welcome. If there was no physical releases at all, then I am done. I still have plenty of games to go back to anyways
I feel like the vast majority of people who are behemently against download games are of a certain age group. Just saying.
Not to say the points they raise are not valid, cause they are. They're very good points. It's just an observation.
Me personally, most of my games are downloaded nowadays, unless it's some third-rate game I definitely plan on trading in later, I almost always buy digital. I just like the convenience, and to no have games lying around all over the place and to have to look for them every time I want to play a new game.
I will buy more games digitally like I used to a few years ago if I can play them on all my hardware.
That is why I've bought more digital Wii U games than on 3DS, since I only use one Wii U but I have 4 3DS units I use for different stuff.
Sometimes I'm even annoyed by the fact some games get awesome special editions...like with Pokkén: I wanted the game digitally but I couldn't say no to a Mewtwo amiibo card >_< So now I have to switch discs...something I don't like at all.
My gaming habits vary by how accessible a console is. For example, I use my PS4 the most since I can put it in sleep mode and I have loads of games installed so I can *switch really easily.
That and I can actually switch between games, I dont need to load back into a home menu.
Same goes for the 3DS...but Wii U..um yeah :/ its slow and annoying.
*when I game, I switch between games frequently.
I've gone all digital on the X1 (4TB external HD helps) but I just cannot bring myself to do that for Nintendo games. I've still got all my NES/SNES/N64/Gamecube/Wii titles and all my Wii U purchases so far have been physical copies where possible, heck even all my DS/3DS games are physical copies and thats a console where digital makes more sense then on home machines. I guess its a tradition sort of thing and I cant see that changing any time soon.
I only go digital if there's no physical release in the region (or it's a PC game in which case Steam obviously) no matter the console. And I've only broken this rule twice thus far. Once for Mario Kart 8 because I went on a school trip for a few days the day it released and I really wanted to play it. And second for Bloodborne - I still don't know why.
I don't know. It's just a different feeling bringing a game home from the store (yet alone a Collector's Edition) than buying it online (and this counts for buying physical games online, too). I don't have the same feeling of reward looking at the shelves full of games and merch than looking at my Steam Library or the WiiU Gamepad.
Personally, the best solution for me would be if they put download codes into the box instead of discs of cartridges. This way, I can enjoy my box and the goodies of a Collector's edition and have the convenience of a download. I can see people having issues with that solution due to the impossibility of reselling even physical games, though.
I read to #106 and just can't read anymore, lol.
But my opinion? Hmm well, I think Nintendo's main problem is pricing, we can all agree on that (especially if you don't live in the USA where are friends there have best buy, target etc doing amazing deals on new games all the time, just have to be observant).
Nintendo sell their games at a forever high premium price which is ridiculous. Like (pulling numbers out of my head here) on the eshop, as many have said, LoZ WWHD has been at €60 since launch, it should have been €25/30 max at launch for a remake as a digital download(ps3 x360 HD Collection and remakes anyone). Physical copy since launch could be picked up for much less (pick your European amazon and buy, much cheaper).
Now I know they have the select copies coming but that took way too long to bring the prices down. Nintendo as a business live in a crazy prices world, but, we as fans of their games will spend the cash at launch, and for me that will never change (for now)
Overall, the prices on the eshop are terrible. Sales are horrendous for years unless it is 3rd party. With Sony doing their easter sale atm I've spent a fortune over the past 5 days on ps3 and ps4 digital games, but, and this is the important part, each big 3rd party game cost less than €13 each, and some where collections. PoP HD Collection, DMC HD Collection, Bioshock and Dead Space collection. Some 1st party games on sale too but I have them already.
I have no problem buying digital when it's great deals for something I can't ever trade in or display on my shelf (I'm a self confessed collector but I know a good deal when I see one).
The next problem is this Nintendo account. My christ, they are why behind and so STUBBORN to follow Sony and MS in there basic account system. If they want people to invest in digital they need to definitely have this set up for NX or that new system will be DOA, again. I won't be getting the NX for a year or two after launch, as I've been burnt too many times by Ninty. They are becoming a joke in the gaming world. They NEED to catch up, cause no matter how much they have in the bank, another failed system can do a lot more damage than the WiiU has done now.
As for what @River3636 says about physical copies and living in the past. The difference between digital music & films since the 90s and now is that, music can be played on any music system and mp3 system, same with film. Sure I buy digital music all the time, albums for 50cent from megaboon. But I also still very much buy vinyl and cds today because I love having a physical something to read and look at artwork etc. Film is doing amazing now, second biggest industry, cinema makes billions each year, DVD & Bluray do not. Games are different, a new game costs min €60 at launch, big difference between that for digital and music at €0.50 the launch. Movies are free if you want via Kodi.
It's all about pricing I guess is what I'm trying to say. And even the idiot consumer know this.
Also, Apple? Biggest scam company in the world for years selling music. Can't understand why people still buy music from them, let alone ipods and iphones. Guess some people will always be idiots and pay pereimun prices for subpar products (hint hint, digital games for €60 or more)
Jesus, sorry for the rant lads!
I have no problem with digital version of a retail game, but the Nintendo way is too constraining compared to its competitors: with purchases tied to a console instead of an account, and the limited space of the Wii U for two/three big games, I'm relunctant to buy a digital game when a disc version is also available.
Physical over download for me especially its Special Editions etc.
NX will be download-only, mark my words! That would be terrible, but its very likely!
@BLPs I'm still holding out hope that NX is either a 1 piece or 2 piece fusion type hybrid thing that will let us play handheld games on our tv and only buy a game once to play anywhere.
Once reality kicks in and it's none of that then we can start drinking again. Probably early May after SFZ ships, latest E3. I'm just saying the glass is "half" until then.
The day that Nintendo goes digital-only is the day it moves to 2nd place in my focus. The only system I do digital-only is PC. For my other systems, I always get retail if I can, even if it means not getting the game on my preferred console. If it's only digital no matter what console, then sure, I'll download, but I'll be that crotchety old man clinging to physical releases until their last dying breath.
Look at all the hate. I guess I stirred the pipe. I mean the pot. Some of us appear to not like Apple. Their bad. To each their own. Still not ready. That's O.K. It was fun. You all can keep your clutter. In the mean time I have laid off "The Physicals" I guess there is a socioeconomic aspect to this argument as well.
I still have one more and I don't mean this in a trolling way.
Alyssa Milano called and she wants Shannon Doherty back on Charmed. She says all is forgiven.
I love the convenience of digital games since physical copies of games eventually gets stored in boxes and placed in my attic.
But I can't go in all digital until digital games are at least, permanently, $10-$20 cheaper than retail counterparts, and there's a100% guarantee that we can seamlessly take our digital purchases to next gen systems free of charge.
I just think its greedy for game publishers to charge full price for a digital game that doesn't include the shipment-delivery, packaging-shelf real estate expenses that comes with publishing the retail version. Warriors Orochi 3 is still $60 digitally but $20 now at retail. That's just ridiculous!
@Turbo857
Companies are generally greedy - nintendos new wave of vc titles is a prime example, in the end its up to each and everyone of us to decide if we go for it or not. Digital downloads are generally a bad deal, it might be convenient but this convenience comes with a high asking price. I take the inconvenience of storing games any time! I kinda like game packings and the feel of actually owning a game. Another thing that comes to mind, are those digitally purchased games available for ever? Lets say your console breaks in a couple of years, there is no BC on the NX and the wii u shop is down. I guess its gonna be easier to get another working wii u or 3ds.
If they move to a proper account system where purchases are tied to your account and NOT YOUR SYSTEM I'd certainly consider digital purchases more..also they need to reflect the lower prices of disc copies as well...why would I download it for MORE than buying the disc?
@Grumblevolcano I think they should go flash with at least 100 gigs and the option for deluxe at maybe 500. Much faster, although it would be more expensive. But in order to 1up your opposing factions you gotta somehow make your system better and or more appealing.
And I honestly don't ever buy anything digital unless it's drastically discounted. (50% or more in most cases) The exception would be a personally highly anticipated and well priced indie game.
I don't think digital games need to be cheaper. When you think about it, what are you paying for? Are you paying for the package and the disc, or are you paying for the game? I am paying for the game, especially since I rarely sell my games and expect backwards compatibility in my future devices. I look at Steam, and how a digital marketplace can help game sales, while some PC games still see physical releases. I know it really comes down to personal preference but a lot of companies are going where profits are higher and distribution is easier for their smaller games. Being physical only is like only watching the big theater release movies. You will miss some real gems.
@Andrzej777
And that's the exact same reason why retail games sales are still prominent. There needs to be a guarantee of some sort that games can be retrieved in some fashion if a system breaks or Eshop shuts down. If Nintendo really wants people to exclusively go digital, their next console should offer 500 GB- 1TB of internal memory and some sort of subscription service.
@DefHalan
I dont sell my games either, but why should I pay more for a digital game? - I dont see the point. And its not just about selling games, to me its about the possibility - lets say there comes a day when I need money badly and selling my collection becomes the only way out - yes, thats an option. A digital collection would be very hard to sell. Besides, I like having a collection of games and I like their packagings! Whenever there is a game that comes out digital only (like Zero Time Dilemma) I feel a little shortchanged. I bought myself Dual Destinies on a sale and will do the same with zero time dilemma - not paying full price for it.
@Andrzej777 Digital games aren't more than the physical versions, at least in the states. I have heard some weird pricing practices in other countries but since that doesn't affect me, I can't really form an opinion about it. But digital games are the same price as physical at launch and that is when I buy 90% of my Wii U/3DS games. My PC is a secondary device for me and I rarely buy a game not on sale.
As long as I can keep taking advantage of E3 pre-order deals and save 20% promotions at places like Best Buy, then no. Whatever is cheaper is my main factor 99% of the time.
@Funky_Kong
The production and distribution of digital copies and physical copies is very different. A physical copy needs to be manufactured in a factory, there are costs, the physical copy needs to be shipped and distributed among retailers, shipping costs and of course each and every middle man wants to earn his share. So, in the end the profit nintendo earns from a physical copy will be a lot less compared to a digital copy which has no production costs at all, the distribution costs are probably not so high as well. So they earn a lot with digital. Digital copies come with a lot of limitations and only a few conveniences.
I am actually not really interested in the price. If digital were cheaper then I would still go with physical (personal preferences). But since its more expensive in Europe or at least as expensive in North America, I dont really see a reason why people should buy digital copies.
As far as storage is concerned I fully agree with you. As long as its a physical copy I am happy.
However, I think game companies, especially nintendo should be more customer/consumer friendly and not that arrogant as they apparently are. All companies need to make a profit, but too much greed is no good. If somebody bought a game on the wii u vc then he should get it on 3ds for free - thats what I would do if I were the boss of nintendo. I guess this wouldnt ruin the company - on the contrary: people would appreciate.
@japongt You're expecting a download code for a card? Definitely lost ya there buddy. Literally all the card does is save you the trouble of unlocking Shadow Mewtwo. And like, there's no such thing as a 'first print' of a digital copy, so you just want all digital copies to have a password screen, JUST so you can copy down a code in a receipt so you can unlock him early.
@Bolt_Strike Other consoles are more expensive outright partially because they include large storage. Nintendo makes it optional and saves you money. Especially if you're like me and always get physical copies, then I don't waste money on large storage I'm not using. And as another person replied, he saved by buying a 1TB drive on his own because if Nintendo included large storage, it would definitely cost more per GB than buying it 3rd party. Nintendo is actually doing you a favor and you don't recognize it.
@River3636 But Nintendo also has to enter the 21st century: user account, cross-buy, etc.
If they want me to buy digital games from them, they need to do have the basic securities in place that compelled me to spend hundreds of dollars a yea on Steam, and convince d me to buy most my PlayStation games digitally this generation: which is to say that Nintendo needs a large storage medium for their device, a way to upgrade it if the default on is absurdly low (like 500GB), a universal account wallet that tracks my transactions and does not bind them to the hardware itself. If I buy a new Nintendo or my old one breaks I need to be able to simply sign into my account (Like I can on Steam, Origin, PSN, XBLive, Etc) and redownload me games. My Wii got stolen years back, and last year my Wii U died - I lost all my digital games in both instances. When I upgrade to a N3DS and traded in my old 3DS to help pay for it - ...I lost all my digital purchases. See a theme? Nintendo will need to address this, and do it WITHOUT a Nintendo form of DRM (especially not a Nintendo app Games For Windows Live-esque setup).
Do these simple, easy things that other companies have been already sucessful doing for the better part of a decade now and I'll stop buying game discs/carts for my nintendo products. I'm actually one of those completely digital gamers people talk about, and have been so for 6 years now. The Nintendo Wii U and N3DS are the only systems I've bought physical copies for in years, and honestly it 'feels' weird to me having to go to the store and wait to buy aomething , then have to pop a disc in erytime I want to play something, and then later switch discs. Do don't do any of that inconvenient stuff once you go digital. So I'd gladly switch if they allowed 2TB storage, a safe transaction tracking, and a universal account based digital library not bound to the specific piece of hardware in your shelf.
@River3636 We didn't have digital purchasing as the norm until around 2007-ish. So all the 90's and the majority of the 2000's. Going all the way back to the 80's was a might bit extreme.
I'm another fan of physical copies and collect those for 35 year now.
Beside the fact i can get them usualy for like 50% less then in the eshop, it's really nice to be sure you can run them in the coming 40+ years.
Nintendo is very greedy with their discounts and the same can be told for their reward system, hopefully they fail. 60 euro for a download i cant test or anything?, no thank you.
@VanillaLake - You are right. They are a bit archaic. That being said, Nintendo is always innovative and is always my #1 goto. They should do user account, cross-buy, etc. I'm am not disagreeing with that. I am however rather shocked at the lack of reasoning to not move forward. Maybe some people cannot afford the internet. I get that. Maybe some people cannot afford the best technology. I get that too. Maybe some people don't want to be tied to a system. I do not get that. Some are saying that those downloads won't appear on that system in 10 Years. That argument is absurd. I also get that some are just cheap, wait let me rephrase that. I mean thrifty.
@Fragtaster - "We didn't have digital purchasing as the norm until around 2007-ish". That is the 21st century.
So I will give you this. Donny Darko called and he wants his bunny suit back. I think that was in the year 2000.
No, it won't work. If Nintendo tries to do what Microsoft did, my return to Nintendo hardware and software will be short lived.
@Splatburst Is that right? I must be misrembering it or confusing it with another game, in terms of the price I payed.
@Funky_Kong
In the end I think its for each and everyone to decide which version they wanna get. Having options is always welcome, not having them feels as if the company forces you into a business modell.
One thing inspired me, thoguh, if there was no physical retail version, a lot of people would lose their jobs right?
I would buy more digital if they were significantly cheaper, and released sooner (digital could be made available when the hard copies are still being produced and the game in finished, weeks ahead of release dates). Even more important, Nintendo needs to link purchases to people, not hardware.
I see it more as Nintendo making downloads equal to disc as in working side by side compared to digital taking over. If someone was to download a game instead, why not give them a similar incentive as the physical crowd that have everything but convenience and space saver.
Beside when Nintendo still have deals with stores like Gamestop for preorder bonus like Hyrule Warriors: Legends Character Art Book! (not valid on digital) and Star Fox Zero Fighter Patch, I find it harder to believe that they would go full digital.
Also buying a larger external hd and SD card is way more cost efficient for both side than having the same size already built-in the system. You can get a 1TB for less than $60 compared to the $120+ Nintendo would've changed (my guess).
Digital full game pricing needs to go way down, not just on Nintendo's eShop, but on PSN as well.
It's insane to have to pay for a digital purchase more than for the disc version, it should be completely opposite.
And of course in order for digital to really work, Nintendo needs to open up the system and remove the hardware locking of the accounts. It needs to be more open so that you can easier manage what you own on your own consoles.
@8itmap_k1d I agree with you completely. But, at the same time I'd love more Nintendo merchandise as well.
@Splatburst
So what's our incentive? You didn't answer that.
No! I like physical games, I like to own my games. I like to lend them. I don't mind buying digital now and then, but all digital? Plus the electronics would stil jack up the environment in some landfill when the console fiinally kicks the bucket anyway.
Furthermore used game sales don't hurt gaming companies anymore then selling your cds at a yard sale hurts the music industry.
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