@Anti-Matter You're aware that the chap who created the original Street Fighter moved to SNK and created Fatal Fury for them? Ken and Terry Bogard were created by the same person, and Fatal Fury is effectively the spiritual sequel to Street Fighter.
Also, Capcom vs. SNK has existed for more than a quarter of a century now. Mai and Terry popping up in SF6 makes perfect sense.
Also, duh... not admitting Mario was an inspiration for Astro Bot would kind of be like a metal band not acknowledging that Black Sabbath inspired them, in some form or fashion
I dunno, metal as a genre is a lot wider and deeper than 3D platformers.
@Toastmaster And I hope you put a calander plus a guide to basic numeracy on yours because the PS2 was a different generation from the PS3 (which was same gen as Wii/360). That should've been evident from one being the PS2, and the other the PS3. "Three comes after two? OMG who knew?".
Or are you being deliberately disingenuous because your argument disintegrated under the slightest of scrutiny? Hmm, yeah, I (and anyone with so much as a shred of reading comprehension) will go with that one.
@Toastmaster Incorrect. 140 million Switch + 65 million PS5 + 30 million Xbox Series. Console market has never been bigger
I'll happily concede I'm wrong of you can put to any other time where there were 235 million consoles in circulation (especially a time twenty+ years ago).
The mic's yours, so by all means prove me wrong...
People are ignoring that console market haven't had any growth at all last 20 years. Switch can't even outsell PS2 even when market is bigger than ever.
Those two sentences contradict each other. Has the market not grown in 20 years, or is it bigger than ever?
@Duncanballs Sadly I'm an old fart and remember the lay of the console land in the 1990s quite well lol. I think the point I was trying to make to the other poster was other companies flirted with optical media for consoles, but Sony were the ones that nailed it and heralded the sea-change.
I'd give anything for arcades to be a thing again!
@PikminMarioKirby No, that was precisely the context of what you said. You're only embellishing it now.
Sure, some of those sales came from people wanting a DVD player, but at the same time a lot of them came from people wanting a console and a DVD player. And given that its predecessor was the first console to break 100 million units, absolutely nothing about the PS2 'gaming' console (as you so churlishly put it) and its popularity that happened by accident.
@PikminMarioKirby They moved the console industry wholesale to optical media - it sure as heck wasn't the Amiga 32, 3D0, or Sega Saturn that did that. Companies like Konami, Squaresoft, Capcom - all barely touched the N64.
Far more importantly, the PS1 also shifted the perception of gaming as kids' hobby to that of young adults. They effectively made the hobby "cool" in a way it very much wasn't before. As someone who was playing games for half a decade before the PS1 arrived, let me tell you the perception and timeline is very much "before" and "after" that console launching.
PS1 set the standard for controllers that's still used today, especially with their introduction of four shoulder buttons, rumble, and two analogue sticks.
More likely they revolutionized watching movies for cheap on the 'gaming' console PS2.
I'm sorry, but is that supposed to be satire? It's got one of the deepest and most beloved libraries of all time, and is frequently cited as the best console ever made - and that isn't because you could watch a Blade DVD on it in 2002. Claiming it's little more than a jumped-up DVD player only serves to diminish the validity of your own opinions.
@Deljo If you think a character having vellus hair makes them a "hairy potato", then it's safe to assume you live in a vacuum and don't know any people in real life.
@Tempestryke Yup! Saw someone bemoan that they didn't "enjoy the story of Street Fighter 6, so it's a trash game"... I'm sorry, what the actual fudge.
Maybe it's a generational thing, but I grew up in a time where the entire hook of a game was the gameplay (especially for genres like say fighting games where the narrative is obviously more than a bit of window dressing to the actual game).
Good. I'm not playing an interactive medium for the storytelling. I sure as heck didn't pump countless hours into Super Mario World or Street Fighter 2 when I was a kid because I wanted to see where the narrative went.
Amazing that there's so many people that look at you like you have two heads when you tell them "I play games for the gameplay". And that I'll stick to books for compelling narratives (and my mind is even further blown when people claim the likes of Days Gone - legitimately one of the worst pieces of fiction I've ever been exposed to - has a good story with interesting characters).
Makes sense. I almost bought a new one (had one around launch for a year) this year to catch up, but will much prefer to spend that money on a Switch 2, especially when the Switch itself has barely changed in price since release.
@Serpenterror In the space of a month they greenlit a Switch port, and ported the original game into a far more advanced engine (and redid lots of animation and dialogue)?
@ManaOwls I haven't owned a Switch in five years, and every dang minute they don't announce a Switch 2 has me looking at the original (for what is still close to its launch price some seven years on).
7/10 from the first hour of it that I played (on PS5). It's imaginative and quirky, but the difficulty is non-existent. Another game to play on autopilot.
@Fallingshadow You think Wong is a "so-called" pro because he's using OP characters? Tell you what, you pick the same "cheat" characters as him and report back how badly it goes for you, because this dude is a genuine legend at the game, and his fundamental play at fighting games in general will destroy most players.
@Truegamer79 The same movie had a PG rating so your parents could make an informed decision whether you should see it or not, which is precisely the same thing as what's happening here.
@Edu23XWiiU You are aware that there's 60 million PS5 consoles out there and that the userbase isn't a hivemind? And that the dinguses that brand Nintendo/Mario "for kids" aren't the ones going out and buying this game, right?
And as someone who's been playing Mario probably since before you were born, this game stands on its own.
@bigpale In what way? Because I'm not seeing what's generic about being shrunk down to the size of a mouse, turning into a sponge and becoming giant when put in water, flying through the galaxy on a family of consoles, having the hub area celebrate the 30 years said family of consoles have been in existence.
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Re: Review: Street Fighter 6: Years 1-2 Fighters Edition (Switch 2) - Just One Caveat Holds Back Capcom's Finest
@Anti-Matter You're aware that the chap who created the original Street Fighter moved to SNK and created Fatal Fury for them? Ken and Terry Bogard were created by the same person, and Fatal Fury is effectively the spiritual sequel to Street Fighter.
Also, Capcom vs. SNK has existed for more than a quarter of a century now. Mai and Terry popping up in SF6 makes perfect sense.
Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Priced At $449.99 For The Base Console
@Andgiles62 And good luck with a faulty return, just saying...
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Okami
Prefer the European PS2 boxart to be honest - pose is similar to that here, but it uses the colouration of the Japanese box.
Re: Random: PlayStation's Astro Bot Director Pays Tribute To Mario And Nintendo In GOTY Speech
@IronMan30 Nah, it's much too broad of a genre to have every single person playing it either directly or indirectly inspired by Sabbath.
Sure there's kids today picking up guitars who wouldn't know who Tony Iommi was if he was sitting at their Christmas dinner table.
Re: Random: PlayStation's Astro Bot Director Pays Tribute To Mario And Nintendo In GOTY Speech
@IronMan30
I dunno, metal as a genre is a lot wider and deeper than 3D platformers.
Re: Video: Yooka-Replaylee Dev Demo Highlights "New Features And More Changes"
@awp69 Because they already have the bones of a good game in place.
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Questions Future Of Consoles, But Not Nintendo Hardware
@Toastmaster And I hope you put a calander plus a guide to basic numeracy on yours because the PS2 was a different generation from the PS3 (which was same gen as Wii/360). That should've been evident from one being the PS2, and the other the PS3. "Three comes after two? OMG who knew?".
Or are you being deliberately disingenuous because your argument disintegrated under the slightest of scrutiny? Hmm, yeah, I (and anyone with so much as a shred of reading comprehension) will go with that one.
Try again, champ 😊
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Questions Future Of Consoles, But Not Nintendo Hardware
@Toastmaster Incorrect. 140 million Switch + 65 million PS5 + 30 million Xbox Series. Console market has never been bigger
I'll happily concede I'm wrong of you can put to any other time where there were 235 million consoles in circulation (especially a time twenty+ years ago).
The mic's yours, so by all means prove me wrong...
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Questions Future Of Consoles, But Not Nintendo Hardware
@Toastmaster
Those two sentences contradict each other. Has the market not grown in 20 years, or is it bigger than ever?
Re: Nintendo Left Sony "Standing At The Altar" With SNES Disk Add-On, Says Former PlayStation Exec
@Duncanballs Sadly I'm an old fart and remember the lay of the console land in the 1990s quite well lol. I think the point I was trying to make to the other poster was other companies flirted with optical media for consoles, but Sony were the ones that nailed it and heralded the sea-change.
I'd give anything for arcades to be a thing again!
Re: Nintendo Left Sony "Standing At The Altar" With SNES Disk Add-On, Says Former PlayStation Exec
@PikminMarioKirby No, that was precisely the context of what you said. You're only embellishing it now.
Sure, some of those sales came from people wanting a DVD player, but at the same time a lot of them came from people wanting a console and a DVD player. And given that its predecessor was the first console to break 100 million units, absolutely nothing about the PS2 'gaming' console (as you so churlishly put it) and its popularity that happened by accident.
Re: Nintendo Left Sony "Standing At The Altar" With SNES Disk Add-On, Says Former PlayStation Exec
@PikminMarioKirby They moved the console industry wholesale to optical media - it sure as heck wasn't the Amiga 32, 3D0, or Sega Saturn that did that. Companies like Konami, Squaresoft, Capcom - all barely touched the N64.
Far more importantly, the PS1 also shifted the perception of gaming as kids' hobby to that of young adults. They effectively made the hobby "cool" in a way it very much wasn't before. As someone who was playing games for half a decade before the PS1 arrived, let me tell you the perception and timeline is very much "before" and "after" that console launching.
PS1 set the standard for controllers that's still used today, especially with their introduction of four shoulder buttons, rumble, and two analogue sticks.
I'm sorry, but is that supposed to be satire? It's got one of the deepest and most beloved libraries of all time, and is frequently cited as the best console ever made - and that isn't because you could watch a Blade DVD on it in 2002. Claiming it's little more than a jumped-up DVD player only serves to diminish the validity of your own opinions.
Re: Nintendo Left Sony "Standing At The Altar" With SNES Disk Add-On, Says Former PlayStation Exec
@MeanBeanEgg How about "Ninten-dough"?
Re: Nintendo Left Sony "Standing At The Altar" With SNES Disk Add-On, Says Former PlayStation Exec
@PikminMarioKirby Yeah Sony only revolutionised the industry with the PS1, but sure, they're generic.
Re: Eiji Aonuma Explains Why Zelda's Gameplay Takes Priority Over Story
@Tempestryke You'd have to wonder. Like I'm not expecting my games to reach the heights of Tolstoy, but c'mon bro, it's a fighting game.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give LEGO Horizon Adventures?
@Deljo If you think a character having vellus hair makes them a "hairy potato", then it's safe to assume you live in a vacuum and don't know any people in real life.
Re: Mario & Luigi's Future In Doubt As A Potential Sony Acquisition Emerges
@Dazman Using that logic the Switch is a sub-par tablet that lures people in with anti-consumer exclusives.
Re: Eiji Aonuma Explains Why Zelda's Gameplay Takes Priority Over Story
@Tempestryke Yup! Saw someone bemoan that they didn't "enjoy the story of Street Fighter 6, so it's a trash game"... I'm sorry, what the actual fudge.
Maybe it's a generational thing, but I grew up in a time where the entire hook of a game was the gameplay (especially for genres like say fighting games where the narrative is obviously more than a bit of window dressing to the actual game).
Re: Xbox Confirms It's Looking Into A Potential Handheld Device
Getting stomped by Sony in the dedicated home console market will surely translate to a similar stomping in the handheld space by Nintendo.
Xbox have been directionless for well over a decade and have demonstrated that they don't understand the appeal of their own brand even longer.
Re: Eiji Aonuma Explains Why Zelda's Gameplay Takes Priority Over Story
Good. I'm not playing an interactive medium for the storytelling. I sure as heck didn't pump countless hours into Super Mario World or Street Fighter 2 when I was a kid because I wanted to see where the narrative went.
Amazing that there's so many people that look at you like you have two heads when you tell them "I play games for the gameplay". And that I'll stick to books for compelling narratives (and my mind is even further blown when people claim the likes of Days Gone - legitimately one of the worst pieces of fiction I've ever been exposed to - has a good story with interesting characters).
Re: Nintendo Lowers Its Hardware Forecast As Switch Sales Slow To A Crawl
Makes sense. I almost bought a new one (had one around launch for a year) this year to catch up, but will much prefer to spend that money on a Switch 2, especially when the Switch itself has barely changed in price since release.
Re: Switch Accessory Firm CRKD Is Launching A Rather Unsavoury 'FOMO' Scheme
This trash "locked in the vault forever", you say?
Oh no. Anyways.
Re: Review: Yakuza Kiwami (Switch) - A Decent Port Of An Ambitious, Frustrating Game
@Mrkittyhead As someone who's played a lot of them, this review makes perfect sense. One of the most overrated series out there.
Re: Best Super Mario Games Of All Time
Honestly found Odyssey a bit overrated.
Top three for me are Galaxy 2, World, SMB3 (in that order).
Re: With EA Playing For Another Team, FIFA Kicks Off New eSports Collaboration With Konami
I'm pretty sure that anyone who has paid attention to videogames in the last quarter of a century expected this.
Re: LEGO Horizon Adventures Estimated Switch File Size Seemingly Revealed
@Serpenterror In the space of a month they greenlit a Switch port, and ported the original game into a far more advanced engine (and redid lots of animation and dialogue)?
Lol, sure thing.
Re: UK Charts: Another Quiet Week Underscores The Need For Something New
@ManaOwls I haven't owned a Switch in five years, and every dang minute they don't announce a Switch 2 has me looking at the original (for what is still close to its launch price some seven years on).
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For The Plucky Squire
7/10 from the first hour of it that I played (on PS5). It's imaginative and quirky, but the difficulty is non-existent. Another game to play on autopilot.
Re: Marvel Vs. Capcom Players Beware, Fighting Game Legend Justin Wong Is Crushing Online Opponents
@Fallingshadow You think Wong is a "so-called" pro because he's using OP characters? Tell you what, you pick the same "cheat" characters as him and report back how badly it goes for you, because this dude is a genuine legend at the game, and his fundamental play at fighting games in general will destroy most players.
Re: LEGO Horizon Adventures Has Been Rated For Nintendo Switch
@Truegamer79 If people grabbed their kids and started walking out, wouldn't that mean that kids back then were also too "pampered"?
Or is it that parenting is a highly individual thing that you're being deliberately obtuse about?
Re: LEGO Horizon Adventures Has Been Rated For Nintendo Switch
@MetalKingShield You reckon kids in the 80s and 90s had the financial means to buy Lego?
Re: LEGO Horizon Adventures Has Been Rated For Nintendo Switch
@Truegamer79 The same movie had a PG rating so your parents could make an informed decision whether you should see it or not, which is precisely the same thing as what's happening here.
Re: UK Charts: Astro Bot Soars Above The Competition In A Quiet Week For Switch
@Edu23XWiiU I see you're still not grasping that the 60,000,000 PS5 owners are not, a hivemind. Want to try again?
Re: UK Charts: Astro Bot Soars Above The Competition In A Quiet Week For Switch
@Edu23XWiiU You are aware that there's 60 million PS5 consoles out there and that the userbase isn't a hivemind? And that the dinguses that brand Nintendo/Mario "for kids" aren't the ones going out and buying this game, right?
And as someone who's been playing Mario probably since before you were born, this game stands on its own.
Re: Does Astro Bot's Super Mario 'Inspiration' Cross A Line? Fans Seem Divided
@bigpale In what way? Because I'm not seeing what's generic about being shrunk down to the size of a mouse, turning into a sponge and becoming giant when put in water, flying through the galaxy on a family of consoles, having the hub area celebrate the 30 years said family of consoles have been in existence.