We interrupt to bring you some breaking news: Alana’s verdict for Tomodachi Life: Living the Dream is in.
Fans of the 3DS game are champing at the bit to lose their lives to this long-dreamt-for sequel. Many have waited since 2014 to create more freakishly terrifying Miis and test the limits of humanity and absurdity.
We asked the residents for their reaction. “I don’t know what you’re talking about.” said Jim, an advocate for the previous game.
I’m Alana, and you’re up-to-date.
Well, you’re not quite up-to-date, but if you have no idea what Tomodachi Life is like, this update is a good little snippet. This isn’t a life sim, it’s more like a simplistic, absurdist, Nintendo-esque take on The Sims.

You are the master of your own island, which you populate with Miis of all kinds: yourself, real-life family members, friends, celebrities, or characters from TV shows and media you love (or hate). Add more Miis to your island and you unlock more stores and buildings, plus your island will gradually get bigger, allowing you to place more decorations and continue creating the most chaotic set of island residents imaginable. This is all about creating Miis and letting them live their lives. Oh, and what silly lives they lead.
Living the Dream started off as one of the funniest video games I’ve ever played. The laughter starts at minute one, when I’m creating my own Mii and messing around with the voice filters. The Mii creator is absurdly detailed with hundreds of options and the ability to draw on your character’s face – more on that later.
But the voices, once you start giving your character tones that make them sound like everything is a question, or they speak so high-pitched you can’t understand a word they’re saying - that’s when the uncontrollable giggles kick in.
As I began to populate my island, I got to witness some of the most absurdly funny interactions. I snorted way too many times at the bizarre dreams my Miis were having. Seances with rabbits, coral, or shells, spring rides through safari parks, an avalanche of chocolate-chip cakes (poorly designed by me).

One time, some Miis gathered at the local restaurant and a sitcom-like scenario would play out. It’s like being in a Nathan Fielder show, except you’re sort of in control of what happens.
And that’s the thing: Living the Dream is much more interactive than Tomodachi Life was on 3DS. Miis will actually walk around the island now and talk to other Miis themselves; you can pick them up and take them to any place of your choosing, have them stare at trees or use vending machines, or sit at tables on their own. You can pet them on the head or give them food or new clothes to make them happy.
Raising happiness is the one thing you really want to do in Living the Dream, as doing so gives you wishes, which you can spend at the Wishing Fountain. The best way to do this is to figure out what kind of clothes, gifts, or foods each Mii likes — which is basically trial-and-error — or to solve their Troubles by talking to them when they have a little bubble above their heads.

There’s a rhythm to Living the Dream, a kind of short-session game where I’ll load up my island, see what new food items the shop has, how much money I’ll spend on clothes, and go around and fix Miis' problems by feeding them what they want or getting them to make friends with another resident. Sometimes I'll play a minigame with a few of them, like bowling, or What's Missing?
Or I can just muck about: I can drag my Mii to hang out with Vivi from Final Fantasy IX and talk about the concept of death, as long as I’ve introduced the word ‘death’ to the in-game lexicon. Or Dante from Devil May Cry can talk to Guts from Berserk about “a silver-haired man”. Romances, marriages, and relationships can flourish or fizzle out with a little encouragement. I can even draw an approximation of my cat as a Mii or as a Treasure to give to another resident.
You can see via the screenshots that I’m not an artist; you’re probably terrified of my cat Miles and his gormless eyes and weird stripes, and you’re probably asking, “Is that Tom Nook from Animal Crossing?” But you don’t have to be good at drawing to design a hilarious congregation of Miis. (Shoutout to TomodachiShare for buckets of inspiration.)
In fact, the creativity is incredible across the board. Not only can you draw your Mii's face, but you can actually design structures — Moomintroll has become fond of sleeping next to my strange purple Eiffel Tower — create interiors and exteriors for your Mii's houses, design your own food, books, and video games, and even create custom pathways.
You can use the touchscreen for all of these things, and for a few other moments in-game, like petting your Miis and using the in-game keyboard. But the touchscreen functionality is weirdly limited. I can’t use it to pick up my Miis or decorate my island in Build Mode. I can’t even use it in most menus. It’s a bizarre choice, which extends to the lack of Mouse Mode implementation on Switch 2.
It’s good that Living the Dream looks great on both Switch 1 and Switch 2, with the latter getting a resolution boost, but at least on the new console, I’m surprised the game runs at 30fps. It’s a little jarring, especially in some of the dream sequences where it drops frames thanks to some high-octane falling action (you’ll need to see to understand). Perhaps a Switch 2 patch is incoming, and I hope Nintendo at least adds Mouse Mode and perhaps expands the number of Miis you can have on the island (70, down from 100 on 3DS).

Back to Build Mode, this was one of my favourite parts of the preview period, but as I unlocked more and more decorations, the variety felt a little limited. I still redecorate and rearrange my island frequently thanks to how simple it is, but it’s here where I start to see my issues with the game.
Because, without the customisation options, Living the Dream is basically an elaborate game of watching goldfish and imagining personalities for them. And that’s been a struggle for me. As funny as the game can be (and sometimes still is), the novelty of the bizarre hijinks wore off after about 10 hours.
I’m more than triple that now, and I’ve seen at least five different Miis ride a spring bear in front of a realistic photo of a lion. I’ve watched multiple residents get stuck in a hiccup rut. I might get a new cutscene every so often if I drag Tom Nook over to Vincent Valentine from Final Fantasy VII, but they also might just walk off and chat together.

Even as I unlocked new buildings and got a few new cutscenes and interactions, or got Miis to move in together, I felt like I was falling into the same rhythms all the time. Poke and prod Miis, drag them around, feed them, create a new Mii, get them integrated, and so on. I got bored of the loop, which the short play sessions helped with, but it sometimes felt meaningless.
Trying to get certain Miis to fall in love, especially the more Miis you have, sometimes felt a little hit-and-miss. I put my Mii with my partner Zach’s Mii many times and, for a while, there was the threat of Lydia taking him away from me. It did make the eventual joining together and marriage all the sweeter, at least.
But then we had a squabble over something absolutely ridiculous, and I had to live in fear that I might be breaking up with my IRL husband. Don’t worry, though, you can usually repair those relationships, and it adds a little more drama to friendships and dating.

In fact, relationships are another area where Living the Dream has made big strides forward. The game has no restrictions on gender or relationships, to the point where you essentially have aro/ace Miis who just want to be friends and live together. That, plus the addition of a non-binary gender option, choice of pronouns, and lack of clothing restrictions means this is a win for everyone.
Creating a plethora of Miis has been a bit of a tonic for me over the past few weeks, and is the most surprising thing I love about Living the Dream. But once that creative process is over, despite all of the improvements the game makes over the original Tomodachi Life, I feel myself slipping back into that rhythm that has worn me out a little.
For as many times as I’ve laughed, I’ve sat blank-faced, trying to figure out whether Guts likes fried spring rolls or milkshake. I wish it's an experience I could share with others a little easier, too, but with the online restrictions — including restricting sharing Miis, which I do understand — it feels a lot more solitary than it should. Unlocking new things brings a little spark to it, too, but I’d say I’ve been Living the Nice Life rather than the Dream, and that’s okay.
Conclusion
Tomodachi Life: Living the Dream is the strangest thing you’ll play from Nintendo, bringing with it laughs and creativity in abundance. But even with improvements over the 3DS game, it follows a familiar structure that isn’t always enthralling or hilarious.
Tomodachi fans will certainly be living the dream with this new entry, but I’m not desperate to keep coming back to my island. A little more variety would’ve been welcome, but the customisation, and the thought of my cat being best friends with DMC’s Dante, will have me peep in every so often for a little pick-me-up.





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Might pump those brakes a bit on my Day 1 plans. I'd like to read the full review to understand better why only a 7, but I generally avoid a full review until I've experienced the game myself and started coming towards my own conclusions, and that demo wasn't long enough to help me.
But I'm still gonna make sure Will Smith, Carlton and MJ get to spend more time together someday.
Only a 7? Well that's life...
A Tomodachi Life!
...I'll see myself out now.
I had a feeling this might end up getting a 7 or 8 as the previous one was apparently a bit repetitive.
I will get it at some point - I was looking forward to creating Sunnydale from Buffy with all the Scoobies and maybe some series villains.
This, plus mouse pi, tomorrow! My free time is going to be annihilated.
I really loved the 3DS version. And I was super excited when this was announced, but after playing the Demo, I think I'm going to hold off for bit. I really do like this series, but just from the Demo there wasn't enough to hook me to buy day 1.
It sounds like a lot of these issues could be solved if Nintendo decides to add more content to the game down the road. Either way, I'm still highly looking forward to playing what's already on offer here.
So as expected it's exactly like the previous Tomodachi Life games but expanded, especially when it comes to the customization as also mentioned in the relative Ask the Developer - of course your mileage may vary considering that, but for fans of the series, absolutely me included (and there are a lot of us considering previous sales etc.), it's a dream come true and even more so after playing the demo I can't wait to continue playing the game as soon as my copy of the full release arrives!
Now I wonder if any Miis you create in the game take up any of the Mii slots on your console 🤔
I don't think anyone wanting this expected it to be any different than how it turned out. This should sell fairly well, like the first game.
This is the kind of game with a low ceiling, like no way it could ever be a 10/10. Therefore a 77 on meta/open critic is "in line with expectations," and I imagine the target audience will skew 8+. None of the reviews thus far are below 70, which means on balance, there is not much bad about it. The original on 3DS is a cult classic despite a lower metacritic (71).
That being said, it contiues the string of Nintendo 1st party titles that are shy of 90+ from the early Swtich era (BOTW, Odyssey, MK8)
Judging by the review its something minecraft'esque in terms of gameplay - building robust space for your own satisfaction, and much better with friends.
On a complete sidenote "Inclusive gender and relationship" should political views influence the review? Its gonna attract wrong crowds of both sides
very interesting. i remember hearing similar issues of the 3ds game feeling repetitive after a while back then too. im still gonan give this game a shot myself, having this essentially be a bigger version of the 3ds game sounds great to me
after getting used to the same events and dialogue playing out the same way on 3ds, more user-generated prompts and designs is exactly what this game needs
im sure i will get a lot of miilage outta this game!
@Princess_Lilly quite literally yes, as a life sim focused on custom characters and their relationships with each other, it absolutely will affect how people play and approach the game
nintendo also made the statement back then that theyd promise to make the next installment more inclusive for everyone too, so this isnt some hidden thing nintendo is keeping on the down low
I know this game will be a 10/10 for me! can't wait for tomorrow!
@Princess_Lilly What do you mean? It's just straight-up better that the game is more inclusive since it's a life-sim. Anyone against that for political reasons is not worth listening to.
@Princess_Lilly
If a game takes into account that not everyone has the same genders and the same relationship preferences, that's not a political view. It simply means the game acknowledges the diversity of people living on this planet. And if the game is a life sim that specifically wants to reflect the variety of human existence, then this kind of inclusiveness should absolutely be counted as a plus. Just like it's a plus for a role-playing game to have many different classes and/or attributes for your character, and it'd be weirdly limiting if there was only two of them.
For me the critic points are rather critical... variety is very important for a game like this... so I will wait with a purchase and see whats happening.
So it's better than the 3ds, but then only a 7? I can't wait to get started, if I get bored I've always got pragmata to keep occupied for those breaks. Hopefully my interest doesn't die out quickly
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That’s about what I expected. I loved the 3DS game, but the repetition can be a real hurdle, so my island was never fully realized with a massive apartment building and many couple homes. I’m hoping that the new features will be just enough to keep me more engaged this time.
The biggest obstacle for me will be romance being much more unpredictable and harder to influence as a result. There was a way to control it in the last game to make certain Miis like each other more, but that appears to be gone now. It may or may not force me to have less character Miis, or at least have less of characters who belong together.
Still, I know I’ll have a great time and I’ll easily sink many hours into this. Here’s to the health and well-being of Dev-N-loped Island!
About what I guessed. I think these games are better thought of as social sim sandboxes than games you binge. Looking forward to playing this with my gf and seeing what ridiculous stuff we come up with.
I feel like it's hard to put a review score on these kinds of games, considering what you get out of Tomodachi Life is what you put into it. Fans of the 3DS game aren't gonna care as long as the new one allows them the same options, plus some.
As with the first one, this game is fun for a weekend.
@Princess_Lilly I think so, yes. It's a game that's supposed to celebrate community and the relationships those people have with each other. Not everyone is heterosexual or identifies with the gender they "should" (big, big, BIG air quotes) be. By not acknowledging the many differing identities of its potential player base and just the human race in general, the game would be doing its very premise a massive disservice.
Thanks for the review. Will the video be un-privated soon?
I'm slightly suspicious of people that enjoy these games.
Mine arrived today already, so I am a little excited to come home and try it.
Just played the demos on 3DS and Switch so far, so we will see, how many hours I will sink into this.
Anyone remembering Little Computer People from 1985? Seems to be the grandfather of Tomodachi, and I enjoyed that, too.
@Uncle_Franklin
Only strange people are good people 😉
Remember when i first got the 3ds game, on holiday to montpellier with the tgv... So much laughter in my whole little family... And it still makes me smile if I return to it (although they first hate me since i ig ored them)... So maybe it's not like a 10 in the sense of pure overwhelming fun... But it remains a place to return to and laugh... And having played the demoi expect the, same... And that might not reflect well in a review number, but those who know, know
People really let arbitrary numbers mean so much to them. Is 7/10 supposed to be a poor score though? As far as I'm aware 7/10 is pretty close to 10 and more than 5/10 which is average.
@Nep-Nep-Freak
The previous game didn't work like that, this one probably doesn't either, especially given that it has more customization options than the console itself does.
Gonna hold out for a Switch 2 patch on this one. And honestly, I'm already playing a game where you build a town from the ground up and forge friendships. It's called Pokopia.
And additionally, I have ANOTHER game where you build a town from the ground up and forge friendships in my backlog called Rune Factory Guardians of Azuma.
And yeah they're different games but it's a similar hook and I feel like I would burn out if I added one more to the list. So I'm using a potential Switch 2 upgrade as an excuse to hold off on it lol.
@vanYth
Yeah, but it's that kind of zany, try-hard kind of strange,
rather than genuinely eccentric, interesting, or amusing.
The kooky, collecting Funko Pops,
deliberately wearing odd socks,
staying in knitting on a Friday night,
smoking a pipe,
kind of strange.
@ThatOnePenguin What an odd thing to say. Why does any game need to be 'supported' exactly?
Could you elaborate on that?
Reading the review has made me a little worried as it sounds like it has a similar issue the 3ds one had — repetition. Once you see everything, there's not much else to do. Still, I've been eagerly anticipating this and I'm sure I'll have a lot of fun trading miis with friends (locally at least). Hopefully I get more than 10 hours of enjoyment out of this like the review mentioned.
@Chlocean
I've been really enjoying Pokemon Champions,
and that got 5 out of 10 here.
Gonna hold off for now (still buying down the wishlist), but I’m glad the game turned out well.
I checked out this review along with IGNs, but the gripes addressed in both reviews don't really concern me. Im only getting it because the interactions in the demo made my daughter LOL and shes talked about the game ever since. Something tells me ill get my money's worth out of it and more.
@CaptainQuo That user made it clear in a previous comment section that they don't approve of this game having the option to create queer and non-binary characters, so I'm guessing that's why they don't want to "support" it.
@armfish Yep, it'll be back ASAP - just needed a last-minute nip and tuck!
Edit. Aaaand it's back.
Thanks for the review! I feel like the game is too freeform and aimless for me.
@Polvasti THANK YOU!!
Kind of like how people say the environment/climate crisis/sustainability are a political issue. Guys, certain powerful people have only made it that way to control us.
Ive read a couple of the reviews, and one of the repeated concerns seems to be the repetition- but i feel like this is partly to do with the nature of a game review - bingeing on all available content in an incredibly short space of time is very much a sub optimal way to enjoy something like this. A scoop of your favpurite ice cream is great, 5 litres of it would be a bit much, i think this is going to be fine
@Uncle_Franklin you gotta remember that what you perceive as "try-hard strange" is just gonna be genuinely strange to somebody else.
Only a seven, huh? Guess I'll have to sleep a bit on this one. Pokopia's been keeping me busy as a cozy game. My wife gifted me Story of Seasons: Grand Bazaar for Switch 2, as well. I think I'm good on these types of games for a bit. But I will get this down the line, for sure!
Definitely a casual game meant to be played casually. I think about 30 - 45 minutes a day is the perfect balance to really enjoy this one!
I'm excited to grab it one day, but it's unfortunate that it landed on the same week as Pragmata and Xenoblade Chronicles X: Definitive Edition - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition (physically). That will be eating up my free time for the foreseeable future!
The 7/10 isn't very surprising — personally, the Welcome Version demo was enough for me to realize that I'm only here for the Mii creating aspect, which I can do just fine without ever upgrading to the full game. I'm sure it'll be a blast for those who go for it, though! And hey, if nothing else, this long-awaited sequel finally coming to fruition gives me hope for a new Kid Icarus someday!!
@MTMike87 I totally forgot about XCXS2E! Thanks for the reminder lol
@Nep-Nep-Freak they don't! You can create all 70 without saving any to your system.
@Chlocean I feel like NL needs to abolish scores or at the very least the summary at the bottom, I feel like some people just don't read the actual reviews...
If it gets repetitive that fast, I think I'm going to hold off on this one actually.
Edit: Apparently it has to be said, but inclusion is 100% a great thing. It boggles my mind how people can be too scared to see that.
@vanYth Little Computer People!?!? I thought I was the only one left!!! I should probably be ashamed of how hard single-digit-years-old-me tried to kill that poor little guy 😵
@CaleBoi25 100% agree with that Kid Icarus sentiment!!
My oldest kid clocked about a hundred hours into the first game and still plays it occasionally. My youngest has played the demo for this game for ten hours. Ten hours on a demo that I wrapped up in 30 minutes. I'm thinking most adults and somewhat adults are far from the target audience for these games. And that people who played the first game when they were ten are going to be sorely disappointed that it's Tomadachi Life again and not what they've built up in their minds.
It's very low stakes, small world, simple little loops that revolve around a small stable of jokes and quirky moments. My kids will play Breath of the Wild and just spend all their time in the village and be happy with that. Or play with my Stardew Valley farm for a few days and never leave the house. Or playing Mario Odyssey solely for the concert hall, jump rope, and radio controlled car in New Donk - countless times.
Tomadachi Life is kind of perfect for their gaming personality types. Day one purchase for sure. Just not for me.
This is a funny one for mii, I enjoyed the 3DS game quite a bit but I think that had more to do with the people I had connections with at the time.
Sharing my experiences in the game with others made up a good chunk of the enjoyment and I don't think I'd be able to capture that same feeling. Maybe in time, the appeal will come rushing back to me and ideally, with a few quid knocked off the price too lol!
Are Pokemon Pokopia and this similar to Animal Crossing or not so much?
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@Uncle_Franklin who are you to judge what is the "normal" kind of strange
i pity those who view specific kinds of strange as "try-hard", that in of itself feels try-hard cynical. actively trying to make things more cynical for no reason.
@Princess_Lilly what exactly is the "wrong crowd" on the "i'm not a jerk to people living normal lives" side?
enough with this both sides crap. there is only one wrong side.
on metacritic games is a 78 i throw away the high scores of 100 and i pay attention to the most respected scores quite a few of those are 70 like ign game informer nintendo life giant bomb ..
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I hate it when people think “just” a 7 out of 10 is somehow mediocre or even a bad thing. It’s perfectionist, pure and simple. A 7 is mostly good. There’s no getting around that.
I admit that I have my concerns that it won’t be as dreamy as I hoped. It’s better than the old game in many ways, but it’ll be worse in a few others. Overall, though, it’ll still be a good or even great time, especially for someone who’s played Tomodachi. It could’ve been better, but I’m glad it’s not worse!
Will be waiting for a price drop but this is sounding exactly what I hoped for, short pick up and play messing about with chaos sprinkled in. Like Animal Crossing, they were never designed for extensive binging unless you've got a little project going on. The Mii designer of the demo has even been helping me get out my burnout and start arting again which didn't expect but I'll take it. Been enjoying letting OCs loose in as is and them bringing a birthday cake, can't wait until I'm able to have more than three and seeing what mayhem is wrought.
That I can make a Mii Aro/Ace and even non-binary (!) plus Bi/gay instead of straight or else? Absolutely want to support that. We need more of it and if it makes people cry politics because they refuse to accept it's 2026? Then so be it.
@dartmonkey Thank you!! I appreciate all the hard work everyone puts in to make this coverage possible <3
I had forgotten until reading the developer interview that you couldn't pick up Miis in the 3DS game. That feels like such a natural fit for this series.
I think one of the biggest flaws leading to the awkward touchscreen integration is that the Switch isn't a 3DS. I don't know about anyone else, but I never use the Switch touchscreen, even in handheld mode. It's just so clearly not designed for it, on the hardware or software side.
@datamonkey
Tomodachi Life is more similar to the sims than pokopia or animal crossing. In TL you're playing as a 1st person omniscient creator who can create and control the miis at will, instead of the other 2 where you are a resident in the world itself and play from the 3rd person
@DadJKP If you have a game where you can customise your character, and the options for their hair colour are black, brown, blonde, and ginger, would you consider that a political statement? Of course not, because it's a fact of life that people with those hair colours exist in the world, and it'd be weird if the colour options would be limited to just one or two. Similarly, it's a fact of life that there are people in the world who are male, female, non-binary, or something else, and there are people who are affected to different gender(s) than their neighbour. In a game where a large part of it is self-expression and romantic relationships, having a diversity of such options is not political, it simply reflects these facts.
As for your question of whether we should "just embrace normalcy, especially in regards to games that are made for and targeted at children", there are popular kids' games where you can play as, for example, a blue two-legged hedgehog, a mutated humanoid octopus with guns, and an amorphous pink blob that can kill other creatures and take their form. Do you think is "normal" for kids to play and identify as such creatures, but not as a regular dude who can kiss another dude?
@kmtrain83 Based on the past this game, or for instance Kirby Air Riders and Mario Tennis were never going to be the big Nintendo games that would be expected to score 90+. The only real disappointment so far I think is Metroid Prime 4.
Comparing Tomodachi Life to the Sims is kind of a mistake. It's more like a nature reserve for your Miis. It's a much more casual experience meant to be checked in on, not totally no-lifed. You come back every once in awhile to drop some food or clothes in their enclosure, see if they're getting along, then leave. The variety of interactions improves the more characters you add to your little world. Hearing that it's more of the same is great for me because I adored the original 3DS game. The limitations of the original were its biggest problem so hearing that those have been lifted is great news. It has all the gameplay options I was looking forward to. And who knows, maybe an update will come down the line that improves the amount of things to do!
Lol the comments section
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@DadJKP what about the kids with 2 moms or dads who would want to play this game and recreate their family in it (which, by the way, would be their "normal")? We should ice them out to spare you a difficult conversation with your kids?
@DadJKP Those same arguments can be used against you, since your opinion of what's normal and your opinion of the current state of the overton window are also political. This is a game about creating your own fictional world that you yourself dictate the rules of--therefore the more options, whether you hold them as offensive or not, the better. Nintendo's responsibility is to make sure the game doesn't violate legal frameworks, it is not responsible for making a game that upholds orthodoxy. They're also Japanese who have historically been outright libertarian in their approach to fiction. Japan is pretty conservative about lgbtq+, but still believes in fictional freedom to do whatever you want. The fact we're debating fictional freedoms is actually pretty funny all in all. Your side just cannot articulate a clear stance on censorship.
...Are people seriously still freaking out about the option to make your Mii gay? Really? If you don't like it, then just DON'T DO IT. It's really not that hard. You probably walk past a hundred gay people everyday and don't even notice! I'm gonna scare you... but your kids go outside too and they also walk past the scary gay people! Oh no! Some of their friends could be gay! Or... God forbid... they could be gay! So best to just lock Little Timmy in his room to protect him those who are different than him. Tomodachi Life will corrupt him so he should just play GTA instead where he can learn some wholesome morals and values. Sorry, this topic just really annoys me cus the argument is so dumb.
@DadJKP Do you honestly think gender and attraction are just "lifestyle choices"? And even if they are, why would some of these choices be more moral than others, as you seem to suggest?
@FishLipFace it's gotta happen someday, right? I may be in a nursing home by then, but I'll be darned if I don't get it day one!
@Polvasti There's no point arguing with these people. They aren't rational.
Most people logically conclude that people can identify how they want and it hurts no-one. Live and let live.
@ArcticEcho To add to what you said, nonbinary characters and other characters who don't follow Western gender stereotypes are actually quite common in Japanese popular culture, including kids' media and video games. They're not generally considered abnormal or inappropriate for children. But according to people like DadJKP, Japanese video game makers should adhere to what American conservatives consider "normal".
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@DadJKP So, following that logic, heterosexual people who don't have kids or cannot have them are less moral and less capable of furthering society than ones who have kids? And gay people with kids are morally better than childless straight people?
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@Polvasti also I’m not saying Nintendo should do or not do anything. They have the freedom to make what they do or don’t want.
I should just also be afforded the ability to give the opinion I have and not purchase if I choose.
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@DadJKP
You would be shocked, what more „real world“ exists out there than you know. And if you talk to people, you will find many who does not find it controversial to have alternative family constellations. Btw „moral“ and „common sense“ is defined by your surroundings. In my country, it is morally not ok to shoot someone, just because he stepped into one‘s yard. Just sayin‘
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I never owned a 3DS and haven't experienced the first game, but it seems to me like the more you put into this game, the more you will get out of it. No doubt we will see some utterly wild Miis populating peoples' islands.
I'll be picking up copies for me and the kiddos, and we're all fairly excited for it! I just hope my creativity and patience are up to the task.
Also: yay for the inclusivity!!
@DadJKP The irony is incredible, you were complaining about people not adhering to the overton window, and then you didn't adhere to it and got your comments deleted.
@DadJKP Shoot, I didn't realize my family only exists on the internet! I should probably let my wife and well adjusted daughter know we don't actually exist, or at the very least that we're morally corrupt and a cancer on society. Sorry 'bout that!
@squiddu-real
Oh I don't have to make an effort to be cynical.
I simply love this community 😊
And I say that as a very normal guy with long green hair and wearing long skirts born in the 70s. I wished much more people were as normal as I. 😁
@DadJKP I'm sorry, but I don't see how heterosexual couples who choose not to have children are inherently or automatically immoral or selfish.
My wife and I are in our 40s, and decided nearly 20 years ago that we shouldn't have children. We're both autistic, have numerous other neurological and mental disorders and I'm visually impaired. We have a hard enough time looking after ourselves, let alone dealing with the responsibility of keeping a completely dependent being fed, clothed and healthy. And by not having children of our own, we have been able to devote more time to 1. keeping ourselves more mentally healthy, and 2. assisting various siblings and in-laws with their children if they need us to.
Look, I respect your right to hold your own personal beliefs on this or any other subject, but declaring those beliefs as normalcy or contrary beliefs and/or actions as immoral? If something isn't actively harming someone else, as far as I'm concerned, it's as moral as anything can be.
@DadJKP
Oh, btw.
I played The Sims games, with celebration of LGBTQ theme and I'm open with those communities since I also represent the G from LGBTQ.
Also, I like to have gay relationship when playing The Sims games and currently the new policy of Story of Seasons & Harvest Moon games for having same gender marriage.
Now, Tomodachi Life : Living The Dream have same gender marriage and I'm so excited to make my Mii as gay couple and watching them in cute same gender wedding party. I also wonder how do they have kids. 😆
I celebrate the same gender marriage because love doesn't have gender.
Btw, how do you have kid in thisTomodachi Life game?
Is your baby delivered by a stork regardless of your marriage?
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@DadJKP Gender has been understood as a social construct rather than a biological one for decades by scientific consensus.
You seem to have confused Sex & Gender, which are two different things.
@DadJKP
I mean, this is just only game.
Nothing wrong to see Chibi looking Mii with their quirkiness become LGBTQ couple and getting married since they are fictional character.
Also, even from Miitopia the Mii can have intimate relationship with LOVE sign regardless of your gender.
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@Eturad
100%
Cheers for the review and it reads as expected.
The 3DS game had that cool, bizarre Nintendo humour, and I found the game compelling.
The lack of touch screen in the demo was indeed weird. Anyhoo, still a buy sometime soon
“Elaborate game of watching goldfish…” and “meaningless” doesn’t resonate well at all. What was once a game I was excited about is now a hard pass.
This is the type of game that I can completely understand why it gets a 7 while at the same time knowing it's a game I absolutely adore and will sink so many hours into just like the original.
One critique about the review: Can we not ALWAYS criticize a game for only being 30FPS when the game isn't even in a genre that would benefit from a higher framerate? A few little hiccups shouldn't effect your enjoyment of a game that has almost NO action.
Edit: I originally said people were obsessed with 60FPS and that it was getting old.
I want to tone that down after all the confrontation elsewhere in this thread that I participated in. We don't always need to feast on a constant diet of negativity. And my comments about the review contributed to that
To be more positive: I'm really excited to get to play this tonight. I've got it preloaded and ready to go. With this game and Pragmata I'm hoping I'll have some real fun for awhile!
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@AlonditeFE
But its 3d game with 3d camera and it does feel slugish in 30fps.
Given how simplistic graphic is, 30fps is major con, just lazy job.
Meh. Glad I never got interested in this series.
@Eturad
Except @DadJKP didn't state any 'simple facts'. He presented his own subjective view of morality, being that he believes people are only moral if they produce offspring with their own genes (in which case I guess some awful people like Kim Jong-Un and Joseph Stalin are actually super moral, whaddya know). He uses his opinion to attack people with different orientations from him, so it's fair game for people to contest that or for his comments to be deleted.
If you want to celebrate your ancestors for being the reason you get to be alive today to play video games, then fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but that doesn't mean a thing about how right or wrong it is for people to live in accordance with their sexual orientations.
Nobody argued that biology is a social construct. The mistake you're making is conflating biological reproduction with love and family relationships, which, while often entwined, are distinct concepts. There is nothing strange, wrong, or immoral about loving someone you cannot or do not want to produce biological children with, or raising adopted children.
@AlonditeFE believing in a different morality than you is not bigotry. Don’t hide behind that, simply going to the “my opponent is a ist or phobe” is the most braindead debate tactic.
Debate ideas, don’t name call. Name-calling simply means your ideas aren’t strong enough on their own,
@CaptainQuo @Eturad, there are many reasons to skip this game; it seems more bland for one. My particular reasoning will not be further elaborated beyond the fact that I am a Christian.
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@Polvasti, quite the opposite actually, if you had read the comment you would have seen that I simply enjoyed the fact that it was optional. But considering the response, I understand your confusion.
bizarre conversation happening in these comments but I am excited to run out and grab the game tomorrow, sometimes all you need is a bowl of goldfish to ogle
I wish games like this could help revitalize a Mii renaissance. Like 'em or not, Mii's are an iconic piece of Nintendo, and I don't think they should be completely discarded for quite a while.
Integrate BOTW's evolution to Mii's so we have even more options to character create on the Switch 2. And I wish more games like BOTW, TOTK, Mario Wonder, and etc., would add Mii compatibility to swap out characters for Mii's. Imagine running around TOTK with Mii spirits instead of the sages, or playing Mario Wonder or Mario Party with Mii's.
I dont even know what to think about the fact that there is no proper Switch 2 version. Was budget really that tight?
I will never understand how PC developers can release game that works on combination of 100s of different framerates and resolutions and they dont complain, but somehow having higher resolution and framerate for Switch 2 on Nintendo first party game is "premium" feature.
@DadJKP You're posts have been denigrating people's "morality" based on their sexual orientation and identity. That's basically the definition of the word "bigotry".
That's not calling you a name. That's identifying your behavior and calling it what it is.
Spouting prejudice isn't some political debate. Your words are just an attempt to inflict pain on others and THAT is far more immoral than what YOU define as immoral.
Edit: Go ahead and delete this one too, because I guess it is "flaming" to call someone out for spouting prejudice.
@DadJKP I don't want to keep wading into these waters, but you do realize why people are defensive on this issue, right? There is no version of society in which entering a heteronormative relationship and producing offspring becomes somehow illegal or shunned by society, but there IS a grave threat to the livelihoods of people like me who are just trying to live their lives outside of the established Western norms of society. Rights are actively being stripped away from queer folks, which tends to put people a lil' bit on edge.
You will be fine. Your own personal definition of morality will be fine. With each passing day my future seems less and less certain.
And yes, your morality is your opinion, not a statement of objective fact. ALL morality is subjective, even the biggies. Thankfully everyone agrees that murder and theft is wrong, but it's not like a big hand comes out of the sky to get you if you commit those offenses; we collectively agreed not to do that. The large percentage of the population that disagrees with you (and, yes, it is a sizeable chunk of people, even offline) says to me that, quite objectively, we haven't come to a unanimous consensus on the morality of anything that falls under the banner of LGBTQ. Heck, even Christians don't all agree on whether or not gay marriage is okay, let alone any other system of belief.
So while you can decide to look down your nose and criticize those you think are destroying the world as you know it, the world is going to keep spinning around just fine. Men and women will keep falling in love, babies will get made, and Tomodachi Life will have an option to make a teddy bear non-binary...because, you know, a teddy bear is literally non-binary. And probably doesn't want to date anyone.
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@Splash_Woman
Maybe stop projecting your personal bad experiences on people on internet.
Im from extremely christian environment, from catholic country and never in my 36 years of life have I seen someone being offensive to LGBT people, stop creating problems that dont exist outside your bubble.
Prefering male-female relationship is not "hate" or "bigotry", its normal lifestyle of majority of people on earth. People are allowed to have prefered lifestyle.
Speaking of word "immoral", everyone see some things as immoral, you dont get do decide others people opinion.
I see it as "immoral" that americans dont stop working and storm white house to abolish president Trump, but I dont go online and tell people "i dont want to see americans on nintendolife because they are evil".
@DadJKP You don't think calling someone "immoral" is hurtful for the person you are trying to shame? Have you never been hurt by words?
@Eturad You've never seen someone being offensive to LGBT people when someone is saying IN THIS VERY THREAD that their identity is "immoral"? No one is being offended by your heterosexuality. But, If I said being Catholic is "not normal" or "immoral", I would be expressing prejudices against Catholics. That would be trying to denigrate a person based on their identity. THAT would be bigotry.
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@DadJKP I think you're confused at what the differences are between facts and truth.
Facts are objective. Truth is subjective. Simply put, you are masquerading your opinions as some sort of empirical fact.
Morality is relative and ever changing. We used to think burning people at the stake or human sacrifice was acceptable.
Being overtly judgmental of how others live is, by itself, morally unpleasant.
@DadJKP NOTHING you just listed has anything to do with "morality". To quote the late, great Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
@AlonditeFE
You see your logic is completely foreign to me, you are perfectly free to criticise my religion and say im bigot, thats your opinion and its not offensive to me. We are not a family, we are strangers with completely different lives, there is no reason for me to care about your opinion. What I mean is, dont try to censor internet.
@CaptainQuo I cannot speak for @ThatOnePenguin but I think you are wrong about The word of God being used as hateful, as a Christian myself, who will also be skipping this game, I don't feel any hate towards the LGBT community, but I also want to protect my children from certain viewpoints until they are old enough to fully understand them. And the New Testament Bible verse is Matthew 19:4.
@SAHD-Mike Then you are conveniently ignoring all of human history. Religion always gets used this way.
@Eturad Just because you are not offended by something doesn't change the fact that something is prejudiced.
If I am saying someone who is different than me is "bad" or "immoral" for being different than me, that is the definition of "bigotry".
You said preferring something is not bigotry, but someone isn't just expressing a preference when they basically call the alternative of what they "prefer" sinful (which is what calling something "immoral" means). That's expressing a judgement of someone else. It's an attack on the other person's character.
The irony is that MANY people consider attacking or denigrating someone for their religious beliefs or their identity (even sexual orientation) to be morally wrong. As @Splash_Woman said morality is subjective.
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@SAHD-Mike I have personally seen and heard the words of the Bible used against queer people many, many times. Things like Bible-quoting Christians protesting against secular gay marriage, calling queer people sick, saying they'll burn in Hell, etc. If you don't do that, that's great. I also know many tolerant Christians who don't use their religion to condemn LGBTQ+ people. But that still doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of Christians all over the world doing exactly that.
@DadJKP I'm not trying to make a disingenuous argument as you say, as I don't particularly see the point in that.
Clarify your view (specifically, tell me what your criterion is for morality) and explain to me WHY you think heterosexual families with biological children are more moral than homosexual relationships, or otherwise families with adopted children.
And do not even try to pose your own subjective beliefs as fact.
@CaptainQuo What human history am I ignoring exactly?
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@DadJKP We are in a situation where the US President admitted to actively funding Conservative, far-right politics across Europe. America has always been an unhinged loony bin of extreme views. We don't want that here.
Since 2016, people like you have popped up to force your intolerance and we are, frankly, sick of it.
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@ThatOnePenguin I don't have a religion. You can't say you love LGBT people while objecting to them having a video game that takes them into consideration.
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I think I'm getting so worked up in this comment section mainly because my daughter is crazy hyped for this game, and it makes me so sad that a simple option on the character select screen is bringing forth a discussion like this. I normally try not to post anything remotely combative, because I have yet to truly see someone change their mind in real time on the internet. Debating like this is a fool's errand, so let me be a fool.
@Eturad If I may, please do a little Ctrl+F on my prior comment. I never once used the terms "hate" or "bigotry". I was raised Presbyterian, went to Lutheran school, and my mother is now a devout Catholic. I understand, more than most, that viewpoints such as yours and those of @DadJKP are not intended with hate. You're sharing your viewpoint, and I understand that, I really do.
But as you tell me to think outside my bubble, you yourself reveal that you are in an extremely Christian environment. Again, there is nothing wrong with that, but...like, come on. That's about as bubbly as it gets. And bubbles are fine! It's fine to spend all of your time with like minded people! It's fine to be who you are!
It's not fine when someone claims their bubble is better than someone else's, or when attacks are launched with the intent of popping someone else's bubble (wow, this is a versatile metaphor, the more I dig into it!) I honestly don't care what you think of me, I really don't. And I hope you know that I don't have a problem with you being you. I wish absolutely no harm on anyone, and I know you don't wish harm on me either.
But don't claim that I'm projecting my experiences on others, when all I'm really saying is...guys, just lighten up. No one is coming to get you. Where I'm from, there's still a church on every corner, and each one is packed on Sunday morning. Faith, family, and morality is safe, strong, and healthy. No one needs to throw a fit every time something inclusive happens.
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@ThatOnePenguin I am aware of this, thank you. I was talking directly to someone else.
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We're talking about a game. Could you leave your politics at the door please.
Sincerely,
Everyone else
Anyway... this seems like a lot of lighthearted fun. Can't say I expected it to set the world alight but it's great to have these experiences in the gaming sphere. More of them please.
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Yeah, this entire thread is off-topic (I know I've played my part in that). Might as well burn it to the ground and start over.
Wow, of all things the Tomodachi Life sequel review comments might get shut down. What a shame. I think the game looks super interesting but hearing the lack of sharing options like the other one and Miitopia is a bummer. Luckily there should be tutorials online for great Miis.
...Yeah maybe it's for the best that this and future Tomodachi coverage on this site disables the comments.
I wonder if people still able to find alternative way to share their design to other people.
Maybe someone will describe the color choice and the pixel position to recreate their design.
And what size of the design in pixel?
Only problem with the game is that it is a life sim of sorts and I find those boring. I hope everyone that was anticipating this game enjoys the heck out of it. People hate metroidvanias and I played a ton of them, different strokes for different folks
Stupid meme game. It's barely a game.
Oh dear, there's always a few that get their noses out of joint whenever a game dares to be inclusive. Newsflash guys, the world is moving on.
As for the game itself, repetition doesn't surprise me. Animal Crossing can be repetitive if you play it enough, especially in big sessions. Not typically my type of game, but I wonder if my partner might like it.
Game is meh.. that is all. 😑
I came to the comments to see if there was enough of a replayable ‘game’ in a quirky social sim to justify the spend. I wasn’t expecting to see the culture wars playing out here. Dispiriting.
Gamers are diverse. We all in our own ways orientate our lives to what we think gives us authentic happiness, is the best expression of ourselves and who and how we love AND we all enjoy the fun and escapism of games. Can’t we all just be humans and live and let live differences?
We need to build bridges to each other, not walls. Especially if any of us are isolated, depressed or have other discriminations or stress factors going on. Gaming can be a positive communal escape for people where we can be different but enjoy the fun together.
People have the right to enjoy talking about games here without feeling harassed or judged.
Empathy and listening. Humility goes a long way.
Back to deciding whether to buy this game or not!
I must confess I've always struggled to see the appeal of Tomodatchi Life; the "goldfish simulator" analogy kinda resonated with my main concern, that there's not much of an actual "game" there — I think I'd need a bit more in the way of agency and interactivity.
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@bransby I'm hoping with 9 years of development, they have a lot cooking
@manfredmanatee sure but I think that needs to go both ways. People should be free to like or dislike a game and comment on it. Instead of ignoring @DadJKP post and moving on some decided they needed to respond and fight with him over his opinion. I only started posting when people started attacking my faith, otherwise I just ignore those posts.
@eldersnake maybe people should just move on when they see a post they disagree with instead of fighting that person? That could be a solution.
@purple_shyguy
It is a game, you play as a God and take control your Mii.
@Masterchicken
Well, Tomodachi Life is an interesting game with quirkiness of playing God and take control of your Mii.
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@Andee the real challenge with a game like this is you only get back what you put in and if you're not that funny and creative it will be a drag. This is why I won't be playing it myself but instead will be watching my partner play haha.
@SAHD-Mike sure, but when people are spouting hate, they will naturally get pushback.
Preordered! Two glasses of wine are to blame.
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@SAHD-Mike what themes? Mate, I grew up Christian and it seems to me Jesus would be cool with max inclusivity. Not a single thing in this game would be problematic for children. It's just inclusive for everyone. That's it, end of story.
Anyway, let's rejoicify the LGBTQ theme from this Tomodachi Life game.
This is not the first game celebrate the same gender marriage.
The other games like The Sims, current Harvest Moon and Story of Seasons also celebrate same gender marriage. Even The Sims already celebrated same gender relationship and marriage long time ago since year 2000.
@eldersnake
Its true, catholic Pope is very much pro-LGBT, but raising a child is parents resposibility, if they think kid is not mature enough to understand sexual concepts like this, then they should be able to shield their kids from them until they are old enough. Most kids are stupid, on many levels.
I always find this notion of ‘supporting’ video games — as if they’re some sort of charity — to be faintly absurd. I buy the games I want because I want to have them. Because I want to play them.
I don’t consider purchasing a particular video game any more an act of ‘support’ than purchasing a particular flavour of ice cream. Given the option, I’ll take Rum ‘n’ Raisin over Tutti-Frutti every time — because I think the former tastes nicer than the latter. But I don’t consider this some sort of moral statement or powerful assertion of my values.
The whole notion of ‘support’ in this context seems rather self-aggrandising; I get to position myself as some sort of benefactor or philanthropist, rather than just a person who wants a thing and has the financial means to acquire it.
By all means buy what you want, leave what you don’t. Eat Tutti-Frutti if it makes you happy. Or Rum ‘n’ Raisin. Or both. But as you lick away at your sweety, creamy, cone-based confection, it might be worth reflecting on whether your choice of flavour really means much to anyone but you, the eater.
A sense of perspective might not deliver the same sugar-rush as the sweet narrative of righteousness. But it’s worth savouring all the same.
@Coalescence such an interesting point. When I was 8 I used to spend days on ocarina of time in the opening kokiri forest area essentially just playing my own terrible version of animal crossing, so I definitely hear you 😂
@SAHD-Mike
So what you're saying is, people should've ignored it when DadJKP said this game is not suitable for children because you can create queer characters in it, and queer people are immoral? But then when someone said equally offensive things about your religion, you couldn't ignore it and it was okay for you to comment on it?
Is it really that hard to understand that when someone makes offensive, unjustified comments about a large group of people, people will take offense and say that they're not okay with it? Especially if it's a group of people whose members have been widely harassed, attacked, and even killed because of such intolerance? Now we have someone else here spouting racist propaganda about "Africans" and "Muslims", should we just ignore that too?
@acNewUpdates thanks for the explanation, much appreciated!
@Pickettfury I'm pretty creative, given the right context, but I was the kind of kid who would follow the instructions in Lego sets
I must point out that some people think somehow it's ok to force sexual reproduction, pregnancy, etc as a "morally correct" concept on children (particularly, little girls) with zero controversy but it's "too sexual" to have a character select screen say nonbinary or for there to be a gay wedding ceremony in a family friendly jokey video game? It's very revealing and the lack of self awareness would be hilarious if the truth were not so profoundly alarming.
@Polvasti Bleak, bleak times we live in where Neo-Nazi great replacement conspiracy garbage is being posted in a Nintendo forum. If we left that uncontested we would be failing as a society. How have we gotten to the point where people who think that feel confident spouting it so brazenly. These things aren't opinions that deserve the time of day and continuing to treat them that way leads directly to immense numbers of innocent people being severely hurt over them.
@datamonkey pokopia is a game, animal crossing is a dolls house and tomodachi life is a simulator, is how I break them down.
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Screenshots or videos of Tomodachi Life cannot be sent to a smartphone!? Why is this blocked, Nintendo?
At least you can read them from the SD cart in a computer…
@spottedleaf Agreed. It's the same old argument always made by "concerned" homophobes: when a piece of media contains queer characters of any sort, they complain that kids are "not mature enough to understand sexual concepts like this" (to quote a comment from this thread), even if said media has no actual sexual content. But when you have straight characters being in love, kissing and getting married, they don't complain about the same. Mario is obviously in love with Peach, and Mario games have included hetero weddings and kisses, but I've never heard anyone say such "sexual concepts" in Mario games are too mature for children. It's a ridiculously blatant double standard.
I'm looking forward to seeing the wealth of customisable options for the Miis ^_^
Let the haters hate and let's all have a gay ol' time (I'm totally having Skeletor marry He-Man in my town)
@Polvasti @spottedleaf since we are now at the point of name calling, I think it is pointless to continue this conversation.
I will pray for both of you, that one day you may feel the presence of Jesus Christ in your lives and turn toward him.
Enjoy the game if you so choose to play it.
The things I want to know from this game:
1. The side effect of doing Time Travel
2. Save slots amount
3. Different account play the same game on one machine
4. How long to unlock terraforming
@SAHD-Mike I'm not sure what you're talking about, since I haven't called you with any names. I did mention that someone else was posting blatantly racist comments here, and Spottedleaf was referring to that same post. It has since been removed, since racism is obviously against the community rules here.
Yeah, these games get boring quick…..animal crossing is a prime example of boring.
I’ll wait til it’s cheaper before we give it a shot
@Polvasti ""concerned" homophobes" isn't namecalling?
Still I agree that we shouldn't be discussing racist views here, I must not have seen that post.
@SAHD-Mike The comment about concerned homophobes wasn't targeted at you or anyone else in particular. I was merely talking about the common hypocrisy among homophobes, when they claim something is "sexual" and inappropriate for kids when queer people do it, but find the exact same thing perfectly innocent when straight people do it. Like two characters kissing in a video game.
And no, I don't think it's name-calling to call homophobic people homophobes. It's just stating the facts.
@Polvasti again what you see as appropriate for your kids vs what I think is appropriate for mine is a matter of opinion, you might not have any problem with your kids playing gta or roblox, I find the themes and unrestricted content to be not appropriate for my kids. I feel the same thing with over sexualized women in video games. And to your point on straight relationships, honestky they are not needed in kids games. Yoshi, kirby, Dk banaza etc are great kids games and had zero relationships. If this game was marketed towards teens and adults no problem, but its marketed towards children on a system marketed for it's family content.
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@SAHD-Mike my guy, there is nothing sexual about this game. I can only assume you're referring to the fact there can be same-sex couples etc. There's nothing sexual or degenerate about that. That's reality.
I am really enjoying this game. It's not for everyone. I am not surprised it gets repetitive, the 3ds version was the same. Considering how more interactive the characters are, it is a big step up from the 3ds version. I so glad we finally got another game in the series. Fingers crossed that Nintendo ends up adding a little extra content in the future.
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