
Following the embarrassment of Concord's recent launch and almost immediate removal from sale, Sony has scored a win when it really needed one. Astro Bot launched last week to critical acclaim, sitting with a 94 Metascore and being described as a serious contender for — if not the new owner of — Mario's 3D platforming crown.
If you're out of the PS5 loop and want a little overview, our friends over on Push Square have all the Astro Bot coverage you could want, so definitely check out their glowing 10/10 review:

However, not everyone is quite so taken with PlayStation's new platformer, or if they are, it's with the caveat that Astro Bot has been studying the classics perhaps a little too closely.
A video posted to Twitter by Post Up from State of Gaming suggests that the origins of various elements and mechanics from the PS5 platformer can be traced back to one of Mario's 3D adventures. See what you think:
In the video above, clips not only from Super Mario games (specifically Sunshine, Odyssey, 64, and Galaxy 1 and 2,) but also Pikmin, ARMS, and Splatoon are shown to illustrate the inspiration Astro Bot devs Team Asobi seem to have taken directly from Nintendo.
Of course, developers are inspired by each other's work all the time, but this side-by-side compilation of Astro Bot clips paired with analogous Super Mario moments certainly highlights the many loving homages to Nintendo's greatest hits.
As you'd expect, replies to the post vary from vague agreement or surprise at how closely they align to total disagreement and calls that these mechanics have appeared in loads of other games over the years. (There's also a bunch of console-warmongering replies that we can't repeat here.)
The point is, fan opinion seems divided between Astro Bot being a love letter to Nintendo's finest work or the game copying Nintendo's homework "word for word." Nintendo itself rejuvenated the Zelda series with its take on open-world mechanics pioneered many years before by many other devs. Is this any different?
We're interested to hear what you think. Have you been playing Astro Bot? What's the line between doing your homework and copying it? For the sake of balance, we've embedded Push Square's Astro Bot video review above to give you an idea of the huge amount of gameplay which doesn't so obviously crib from Mario. Take a look and let us know in the poll and comments below:
What do we think, you ask? Well, if you believe that Mario's finally been dethroned as king of the platformers, we here at NL say, 'Excellent - about bloody time!'
Seriously, Mario's been top of the 3D platforming tree for decades and there's nothing like some healthy competition to stir the spirit and serve as inspiration for Nintendo to take things to the next level. Super Mario Odyssey was and still is a fantastic game, but it's nearly seven years old now. It really is time that someone else made a game that aspires to and reaches (and arguably surpasses, depending on who you talk to) that level of excellence. It's great to see PS5 owners enjoying a game so lovingly and expertly crafted as Astro Bot.
And of course, after delivering back in October 2017, the Mario Odyssey team has been extremely quiet for much of the Switch's lifecycle and the smart money is on the next 3D Mario game coming for 'Switch 2' in its launch year. It's probably too late in the day for Nintendo to take much inspiration from Astro Bot, but it'll be fascinating to see where the plumber goes next.
And if it'll take another seven years before someone else follows his lead.
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I've not played this game since I don't have a PlayStation 5, but I really don't think it's a good idea to accuse developers of copycatting the popular games, especially when they put their own spin on it and make it fit well within the context of their own game, because then we get into a scenario where inspiration isn't allowed, and that's not a good place to be.
Not at all. This game is awesome.
Lol how far do you wanna reach.
I thought it took more inspiration from Kirby and the Forgotten Land. The flying segments look similar to arch-mouth Kirby, and the water gimmick is quite similar to the water mouthful mode. I believe there's 300 Astro Bot things to save, just like 300 Waddle Dees in Forgotten Land!
I see quite a bit of Mario inspiration, but I doubt this is nearly as good. PlayStation fans that don't have Nintendo consoles may think of this as more of a unique game. Personally I'm glad that Sony is taking inspiration from Nintendo, shows that they truly respect Nintendo for what they do!
Some of the stuff in the video was certainly a stretch, however it does show the wide variety of things Nintendo has done. It's nice to see Astro Bot from Sony, since most of their other games are from the same 2-3 genres. This wasn't necessarily super innovative for the industry, but glad to see them branch out some. If I were to play one PlayStation exclusive game, it'd probably be this.
I’m amused by several reviews I’ve seen that call Astrobot the greatest ever platformer… almost as good as Nintendo.
At the end of the day it stands out on PS5 because there isn’t much else on the PS5 like it. Perhaps a bit expensive for the playtime.
Here is the thing.
Super Mario Odyssey was my first Switch game I have finished the storyline since January 2018. I still keep the game. It was quite good 3D Mario game.
But... I immediately deleted Astro Playroom from my PS5 machine once I got PS5 machine last June 2024. I will never allowed Astro Bot touching my gaming area.
I have zero tolerance with any kids games that get ruined by rated 18+ franchise crossover in cartoon disguise.
Played through it and loved it.
It’s a very polished and gorgeous platformer. It can sit next to most Mario games as just fun. Fans really need to relax, developers take inspiration from other devs all the time.
@Anti-Matter I’m not following you here.
It looks like a really fun game, but it's literally a reskinned Mario, every clip I see online it's either straight out of a Sunshine, a Galaxy or a Odyssey level.
Games like It Takes Two already showed platformers can be much more than just Mario clones, it's time to move on.
Don't know the game. I can see the similarities, but then again, I suppose we can call out all farm sims to be copies of Harvest Moon, or all JRPG's for playing like one another. The same goes with movies, series, books... There's only so much different ones we can create before they start showing similarities. If it's well designed and plays well, without super obvious plagiarism, who cares? Angry people on the internet, that's who.
I mean, it's not like Nintendo's own games haven't drawn from other sources as well.
Sony looked to Mario for inspiration and created one of the best platformers of the generation. I don't see the issue.
There are not an infinite number of mechanics, so it is expected some of them have been used before in other games. However Astro goes beyond that by beautifully integrating the dual sense capabilities in very innovative ways. Yes, overall Astro is a very Nintendoish game, but that’s a great thing for Sony and for us gamers, some relaxed, Arcadish and joyful gameplay to break away from the hyper realistic simulations that seem to prevail nowadays
New 3D platformer takes inspiration from older 3D platformers.
Shocking.
@dskatter he's upset because there are cameos from characters that are from mature games in Astrobot. Remember this is the same guy who saw the Paw Patrol movie in theaters 4 or 5 times.
@Anti-Matter There’s no lines of text or voice acting to speak of? The cameos in Astro Bot are akin to something like seeing a Donkey Kong reference in the Super Mario movie.
Astro Bot owes a debt to Nintendo, for sure, but the video here doesn't even show a quarter of the mechanics or ideas in the game.
At the end of the day, if it's fun and makes people smile, that's all that matters.
@TCKuma OHHHH. Gotcha. Thanks for that reminder, I will instantly disregard those complaints then!
We don't need to give weird outrage reactionaries on twitter oxygen
No, not at all, especially because it's just as obviously influenced by stuff like Ape Escape and Banjo. Console wars are always so stupid and arbitrary.
Games take inspiration all the time from eachother, especially in the same genre. Some of those mechanics are present in other games as well, maybe even before mario did it.
Like Infamous had the hanging floating thing already, but without the lines underneath it.
Also so many more mechanics in astro bot like the mouse shrinking thing that are new not being mentioned here.
Ofcourse if you make a video showing them one after the other its gonna look like everything was copy pasted. But they made adjustments and made it their own.
Also things like the splatoon thing, things like that have been done with water forever. Was Mario copying that? Or just inspired? I mean come on, this just seems like some nintendo fans scared of a little competition
@Anti-Matter "I have zero tolerance with any kids games that get ruined by rated 18+ franchise crossover in cartoon disguise."
Oh so then you absolutely hate Super Smash Brothers Ultimate and wish it didn't exist, that's too bad 🥲 guess you forgot about M rated Joker, Snake and Bayonetta lol
On topic, I made a comment about this exact thing on The Verge’s review of Astro Bot, that I’ll copy and paste here:
“ I’m two hours in to the game, and I would say an apt description would be “Kirby and the Forgotten Land x Super Mario Odyssey x Super Mario Galaxy”. It’s joyful, playful, wonderful fun, and for anyone on the fence, play the built-in Astro’s Playroom, as Astro Bot takes the basic mechanics of that game, blends it with the ethos of the three games I mentioned above, and results in something memorable. The controls can be a bit finicky at times, and it’s not quite toe-to-toe with Mario Odyssey in terms of polish, but it’s the closest anyone’s ever gotten outside of Nintendo’s own games. Astro’s Playroom was my first and so far only PS5 platinum trophy, but it might not be for long…”
Nintendo is due another big AAA 3D platformer. And now it's got healthy competition in the genre
@AccessibleDaydream
The cameos in Astro Bot games are the rated 18+ Sony IP characters in chibi cartoon disguise and I hate every single rated 18+ franchise.
Putting them in kids games was like putting the wolves in cute skin sheep in kids gaming area, I completely have zero tolerance with that situation.
@Olliemar28 the most calm and agreeable comment
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
Astro Bot, much like Mario titles, is just pure joy.
The only thing that Astro Bot lacks that Mario games do better is that Mario games require more of a command of Mario's entire move set in order to 100% the game - therefore providing a challenge for skilled players.
Astro Bot is more about observing the environment to find secrets. It's still an absolute joy to play!
Anyone getting angry about Astro Bot taking inspiration from Mario needs to go touch grass or pet a kitten/puppy or something.
@Juanalf
Yes, and that's why I banned smash bros games for having rated 18+ 3rd party characters.
I don't play smash bros games and will never ever play them.
While I do see similarities, it really shouldn’t be a problem. Developers take inspiration from others all the time. Okami for example was directly inspired by the Legend of Zelda.
@Anti-Matter Doesn't make any sense, but that's ok.
I'm a really old school gamer that LOVES Mario games and I played Astro Bot all weekend and got the platinum trophy. Not once did I start to think about other Mario games or feel like I was playing any type of Mario game.
Nothing wrong with being influenced by the best.
I think outside of the PS1's launch titles Sony pretty much always copy other games.
Astrobot is about as much not a 3D Mario copy as Crash Team Racing wasn't a Mario Kart copy and Crash Bash wasn't a Mario Party copy.
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I'm more upset you're reacting to Twitter noise, you'll find there the worst humanity has to offer and the worst of console fanboys. Astro Bot took inspirations from lots of things and did their own take, that's literally what most of current gaming industry is based off. I love Mario games and I love Astro Bot 🙌
Ah yes, the classic "Dey just copying Nintendo!" argument. Because Nintendo invented jumping, punching, hovering, swimming, breathing, bubbles, etcetera.
I really can't stand fanboys. Xbots, Sony Ponies, Nintendrones, PC Peeps...they are all bad.
Mario is great! Astro Bot is great! Both do different things in great ways! Why does everything have to be a competition?
It’s fine to take inspiration from other games and media and putting your own spin on it. Inspiration is not straight up “copying.” Inspiration sparks creativity and innovation, and with some game developers who are inspired by the biggest and most famous game series, also put in homages honoring those games. Astro Bot does not look like it’s copycatting like what the Twitter user is suggesting. I also don’t get console wars at all.
@PessitheMystic @dskatter @AccessibleDaydream @Yosti Don't even bother to trying to understand @Anti-Matter logic. It's a very unique opinion - to each their own, right?!
The person just wants a "pure" gaming library.
@Anti-Matter no for someone who has a boxer profile pic you gotta put your gloves up more. It's so easy the jokes write themselves.
@dskatter don't worry, none of us do
Best platformer ever in PlayStation history.
Average platformer for a Nintendo system.
"specifically Sunshine, Odyssey, 64, and Galaxy 1 2,) but also Pikmin, ARMS, and Splatoon"
When you name references from 5 different Mario games and also add in games from 3 different completely unrelated game genres, well I'm pretty sure that's not what the word "specifically" means. Might as well just say "Astro Bot is specially like a lot if others games that came before it in that it is a video game." 😂
There are Mario fans who hate Sunshine b/c of F.L.U.D.D. so even Mario fans would say those Mario games are different even amongst themselves. I still hate 64 even though I acknowledge it is the godfather of 3D platformers while still thinking it's trash. And I still think Odyssey is a step back from the Galaxy games which are my favorite Mario games.
Being like a dozen other games doesn't make a game a copy, being able to incorporate parts of a dozen different games form a variety of genres makes a game unique.
Full disclaimer: haven't played Astro Bot yet but looking forward to it b/c it is a 3D platformer which looks like it takes a lot of inspiration form other good video games. Playroom was a bit too gimmicky for me.
Astro is borrowing heavily from Mario and personally I'm loving it
No way you just made this article with one of your Twitter citations being a huge console warring fanboy lol
Let’s just chill and enjoy the wonderful gaming moments of Mario and Astro Bot.
Couldn't care less if there are direct influences or not, what matters is that Astro Bot is a really good and fun game based on all I've seen/heard and while I doubt it will ever happen I'd love to see it coming to Switch 2, too!
@GamingFan4Lyf opinions are fine, even crazy ones. But disruptive behavior isn’t.
I can only speak for myself but I'm thoroughly sick of the art and thematic direction that 3d Mario games have been going in for well over a decade now. To be clear, I'm not criticizing the gameplay or the graphics or people who do like them; I just utterly hate them and their whole aesthetic. So to have a game like Astro Bot that does those mechanics so well and in its own universe without having to put up with all the stuff I viscerally hate about modern Mario is A+++ to me.
It certainly takes heavy inspiration from a few of Nintendo's games and specifically a few Mario games but why wouldn't you learn from the best?
I've just got the platinum on Astro Bot and see it as a celebration of gaming, whether that be PlayStation's history, the many cameo's from different publishers and Nintendo's influence on gaming.
It's great fun
Are we going to do this with every game that comes out? Put them side-by-side and there's a lot of 'borrowed' systems, mechanics, and ideas that make up a plethora of gaming experiences. They can coexist and people enjoy both, there's clearly no direct plagiarism going on from a design, asset or technical standpoint, so I'm all for it!
I don’t see why people are trying to pit this into a console war. I’m fine living in a world where Nintendo and Sony are both putting out fun platformers. There’s room for both, it’s ok to like Astro and Mario, people!
This is why you don't write articles based on tweets from random strangers. I stopped watching when this article about how Astro Bot copies Mario design started showing clips from Pikmin and then ARMS
@Yousef- Not exactly sure what you mean by "disruptive behavior." The person stated their opinion - whether anyone finds it rational or not is a whole other topic - and people responded.
I don't see @Anti-Matter hurling insults at anyone. I hope people keep it civil towards the person, too!
The person has a very strict policy on content that they allow in their home. To most, it doesn't make any sense. If it makes that person happy, all power to them.
I'd say by most standards its quite the eccentric take...but, hey, whatever. If the person can sleep at night feeling fulfilled in life, who are we to judge?
regardless of the inspiration/copying debate, the Playstation game just looks painfully generic
The footage is very selective and a lot of 3D platformers share elements. Not worth making a fuss about, we get to enjoy Astro Bot and Mario Odyssey. We’re pretty lucky
@bigpale In what way? Because I'm not seeing what's generic about being shrunk down to the size of a mouse, turning into a sponge and becoming giant when put in water, flying through the galaxy on a family of consoles, having the hub area celebrate the 30 years said family of consoles have been in existence.
@GamingFan4Lyf It is not "disruptive behavior", but it is also fine how people respond.
LOL Post Up is a known, xbox shill, playstation hater, he is the joke of the twitter gaming community.
The fact that you used him as your source is comical and quite embarrassing.
Gotta get inspiration from somewhere right? I don’t see the problem. I’ll pick up this Bot game on PS5 later. Looks fun.
@GamingFan4Lyf I just hit ignore and moved on with my life. Makes life so much easier!
That also said, this article makes me so glad I have all three current major consoles. I can play games like Astro Bot, Mario Odyssey and…well, some XBox games and not care about who steals/takes inspiration/whatever form who. I just pays my money and plays the games.
@GamingFan4Lyf
Agreed, I don't really understand why people are ganging up on them. I can even understand their logic a little bit. If a kid is playing Astro and they see the little Kratos bot they'll naturally become curious who they are. They might do a bit of research and wind up discovering God of War Ragnarok, or worse they might stumble upon the old PS2 games with those certain mini games. Some parents actually respect the CERO ratings and don't want their children playing Vice City in middle school(me) 😂
I see Super Mario Galaxy. I see Super Monkey Ball. I see various 3D Sonic titles. The only thing that looks a little too-Galaxy is that level selection screen.
I say "who cares?" Looks great.
Wait til you guys see Astro Kart
This seems like a silly thing to even have on your radar. No one cares.
Games have been inspired by Nintendo for decades especially by Mario.
You only have to look at rayman, Astro, sonic, the list goes on. Good ideas are always copied.
@roe I’m more looking forward to The Legend of Astro 🤣
I'm still waiting on VGP to ship my preorder... but I've been playing Astro's Playroom and it's fantastic. Really looking forward to this but I'm not sure why it's gotta be a competition.
@Anti-Matter I can almost understand your point on not including M rated games in your collection but I really don't get refusing to play a game just because said characters are included.
Technically a spoiler, but Kazuma Kiryu is a bot in Astro Bot. Is he from an M rated game, yes but he's the good guy. He's got good morals and good resolve. There's nothing M rated in Astro Bot or else it would be M rated itself.
I don't much care. A good game is a good game. Astro's Playroom was delightful, and I'm glad to hear that by all accounts this is excellent. Planning to have both this and the new Zelda before the end of the year.
Depending on who you speak to, yeah sure competition is good.
But I think it's worth waiting more than a few days for the honeymoon flush and recency bias to pass before the real comparisons are made.
Heartened to see so many people noting the nonsense of the online source and are celebrating what a great game it is. Having played all 3D Mario games in depth, it’s not a copy cat, full stop, and am glad so many Nintendo fans could not care less and are enjoying the game too.
Same will be said if we get a future banger out of Banjo Kazooie or Blinx, make it happen Microsoft!
@IceClimbersMain
Here is one thing about me.
When I hate rated 18+ stuffs, I hate every single things from them, all of the characters, all of the stuffs inside. All of them. I looked them as all evil stuffs that I will never want to hear their names, never ever want to see their looking and never ever want to put inside my brain.
It was really offending and attacking.
I had traumatic experience in the past when I was kid from exposure of rated 18+ video games and movies by accidentally and it made me really hate them all and never ever want to know them even by their titles, the characters, every single things. None of my business, don't even care, don't even like their existence. It's pure evil stuffs.
I’ve not played Astro Bot, but even if there’s a fine line between taking inspiration and copying off of something, there SHOULD be a difference. Being inspired by something along with adding a personal twist still enhances creativity. That’s true of many more things besides video games!
I’m glad that Sony can make a quality platformer again and not the all-too-typical mature shooter or adventure game. Even as a stalwart Nintendo fan, I would love it if Sony could be like they were in the PS1 and PS2 days with series like Crash and Spyro and a much better variety!
@ATaco It's a fair point. I let my daughter play Astro's Playroom (she's 9) and she didn't even care about the bots. She just liked to play the Monkey Climb portions.
I think it helps that Astro Bot doesn't actually provide names for the characters. Unless you get the reference, it's just some specially dressed character.
@Yosti Of course, as long as they aren't attacking the person! Thankfully, no one has. For the record, I never said the person was disruptive.
@dskatter I have all three as well. Though, I did just recently get a PC, so the consoles are slowly getting replaced. The Xbox is all but replaced. The PS5 will be a game-by-game basis (e.g. Astro Bot). Switch is exclusives-only anyways, so no change there.
I cancelled my PS5 Silent Hill 2 pre-order from Amazon and will be getting it for cheaper on PC using Green Man Gaming (I think they have it on pre-order for like $55).
You can't make a 3D platformer without Nintendo fans making comparisons. The world would be better if we just enjoyed media without constantly trying to compare it to something else
It's really fun to play, so...
WHO. THE. HELL. CARES if it takes some inspiration from some other franchises.. Good lord, people..
Some sections are pretty obviously copied ideas, like the one where you stand on top of a ball and roll it over spikes and around bumpers which is ripped straight from Mario Galaxy. There are a few others that are too point-for-point alike to be waved off as coincidence.
With that being said, I have zero problem with that. They SHOULD be copying the Galaxy/Odyssey team's homework to some extent because that team is the preeminent developer for 3D platformers. And Astro does plenty of stuff that is unique and original, so it's not just plagiarism across the board.
This is a case where the accusations are partly true, but bar-for-bar is exaggerating things.
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Lol. As if detectives figured something out here. It obviously, and I am sure the devs would say so, is borrowing from Mario because that is so much fun. I guarantee the dev meetings had quotes like "you know, like Mario."
Iterate and expand.
It's a copy of a lot. I don't mind that though. It's good, as long as it's not only copying, but putting it together in a different way.
@Dr_Lugae Even the PS1 launch had Wipeout, which is just a reskin of F-Zero.
I haven’t played it, so I didn’t vote. From what I have heard, it is a great game. Plenty of room for good 3D platformers. 😊
I am slightly surprised with the acceptance in the comments, this smacks of the kind of thing that AI would churn out if you fed it a bunch of nintendo games.
Because it was a human that did that does that make it okay?
@dew12333 It's about as similar to Galaxy/Odyssey as Sonic 1 was to Mario 1 and 3.
People don't have an issue with it because it's well done and it's understood that developers iterate on each other, especially within the same genre.
While I'd say it's definitely not a copycat, and even still, nothing is wrong with taking influence from the greats, it definitely does lack a certain soul imo that mainline 3D Mario games tend to have. Graphics and gameplay are obviously top notch, and I've personally been having a blast, but it lacks a certain je ne sais quoi at times imo. It feels somewhat less like a once in a generation game ala 64, Galaxy, Odyssey, and arguably Sunshine, and more like simply an excellent by the books platformer like the 3D world games. An easy 9/10 for me, but never quite enough imagination to make it a 10. I think the copycat allegations are reaching, but clearly the game lacks some of the ingenuity that keep it from being any kind of console seller, or genre defining game.
@dew12333 I think this comment is a bit harsh but I agree overall. It is clearly well designed and I'm having fun with it, but it lacks a certain human touch, leaving it feeling a tad hollow or corporate to me at times. Could possibly just be the theming of being a fan-service-y "hey isn't Playstation history cool??" that makes it feel more like an ad at times than an inspired work of art.
Sony bros are hurting really bad if the best PS5 game ever is worse than a 15 year old Wii game.
And this success being sandwiched between 2 of the biggest failures in gaming history does it no favors.
Mario games are not on the PlayStation. Let them enjoy this. 😊
It's a tightly-designed Mario 3D-World-like, similar to Sackboy. The world needs more tightly-designed 3D platformers like SM3DW. I see no issues. Imagine if "Doom clones" were shunned out of existence and we just didn't get FPS games for a decade.
This isn't reaching anymore it's scraping the bottom of a barrel. Nobody thinks it's going too far except for one guy on twitter. This is not newsworthy. These attempts to divide players don't work anymore.
@Anti-Matter Your missing out Astro Bot is one of the best platformers on Playstation atm! I think it's cool when they do crossovers like this, ever seen Ape Escape crossover with Metal Gear? the Mesal Gear Solid: Snake Escape Mini Game from Ape Escape 3? it's light hearted fun!
THIS LOOKS PHENOMINAL, WISH I HAD A PS5!!
I love Astrobot. I'm thinking about getting a PlayStation Portal so I can play it in handheld. I much prefer handheld to TV.
Haven't played the game, but it took me 3 seconds to feel that nintendo aura in this game. I've seen GameXplain's comparison and it takes SO much from nintendo it's incredibly obvious. In fact; I believe it pays tribute to Mario 64 very openly, when the robot falls asleep, the same way Mario does in M64. No one should care really, I believe this game is a celebration of that nintendo seal of fun.
Mario is the best of all time, so I’m glad he has competition. Astro Bot is the happiest game I’ve played since maybe Mario Odyssey. Let it be a success. It’s an homage to gaming as a whole. It’s sad to see Nintendo and Xbox fans rag on this one. Team Asobi made some authentic magic here and they deserve praise for it.
It's very obvious that Asobi devs are fans of Nintendo and there !s nothing wrong with that. It's almost a love letter to Ninty! And one of the reasons why I love Astro Bot so much! Not playing it, is missing out (if you enjoy Mario platformers and have a PS5). The game is magic!
I’ll take y’all’s word that Astrobot is a classic that gives the best 3D Marios a run for the money. Wake me up when Sony keeps it up over dozens of entries for multiple franchises to such a high quality for four decades.
@Anti-Matter Shame since there pretty fun games, like in Mesal Gear Solid: Snake Escape there's no real guns/killing you just knock out monkeys with a banana gun, it's a lot lighter and funnier then a actual Metal Gear game.
This is definitely THE game that came out that could persuade me to get a PS5. Unfortunately I have Switch and the lame Xbox.
It looks like a terrific game. Sure it borrows HEAVILY from Mario and other Nintendo games but it's not pretending that it's not doing so.
They're not going to fool anyone anyway. No one is going to pretend astrobot is inventing the wheel there. And if they do you can count on the internet to remind them what's what. I mean absolutely everyone I've seen mentioning this game says it's Sony trying to do a Nintendo. That's okay. I know I would be all over it if I had a ps5.
See, this discussion wouldn't be happening if Astro just took from Bubsy 3D.
i seen quite a few nintendo youtubers playing and loving astrobot..
@Anti-Matter Won't likely be able to play it on PS5 due to Konami anyway but Astro Bot is one of the best games on PS5, I mean there only cameos there not part of the story or gameplay.
maybe sony should port it to the switch and watch it sell millions..
@Anti-Matter you have an incredibly regressive mindset. Everyone has their preferences, but if you immediately denounce anything that strays away from those preferences, then all you're doing is limiting what you can experience and therefore, creating a shallow idea of what makes for good entertainment.
@N00BiSH
I have rights to set my strict rules in my gaming area, considering after I got traumatized from the exposure of rated 18+ stuffs when I was kid so I became very cautious and very strict, so it will limiting my gaming experience but that's really fine for me.
I only play games that suitable with my criteria, I don't have taste every single games.
I don't want to put something inappropriate or I hate in my brain that will become my regret after that.
I don't have any non-Nintendo consoles, (barring the PS3 my family had until I was 6 lol) so you could say I am a fanboy. However, I don't mind other consoles actually getting good games! So if they have to copy Nintendo's homework to do it, I don't care... Just more ammo in my arguments with XBox- or PS-loving friends!
@johnedwin Could happen, Sony has already done a few PC ports, would love this on Switch as well
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Eh just play the game and enjoy it. As long as no Nintendo assets are stolen or it’s a rom hack then it’s an original game. (You can decide if it is distinct enough to purchase).
That does remind me that I do need to get the astro bot demo though.
Posters like @Stegiand @Axecon @Ralizah have already covered a lot of how i feel.
Its a great platformer which builds upon generations of platformer evolution while bringing some of its own ideas to the table, also makes me exited to see what Mario does next.
Reminds me of NintendLife's negative review of Immortals Fenyx Rising which claimed the game was a Breath of the Wild clone. Meanwhile, I enjoyed Fenyx Rising far, far more than Breath of the Wild, primarily because it has vastly superior sidequests as well as massively superior combat.
I do see similarities in the Twitter video, but it's not to the extent of having a stick up my arse.
@dskatter Don't try to understand. Just embrace it.
It looks fantastic. Yes it looks very Nintendo/Mario influenced but when has that ever been a bad thing? Hopefully it comes to PC though because I don’t really want to buy a PS5.
My only grievance with the Astro Bot discourse is so many people pointing to its critical and commercial reception as if it’s some revelation that smaller budget games focused on just being fun from big publishers can be successful in 2024. It’s a great thing and I hope Sony starts to diversify their line up more as a result but at least credit Nintendo where it’s due…they’ve been showing that this model works for forever.
@GamingFan4Lyf I honestly just love reading their comments every time.
@Anti-Matter When you have a traumatic experience, the ideal solution is to look for help so that you can overcome it, as opposed to being shackled by it. You experienced negative stuff as a kid, but you're an adult now, aren't you? Why limit the range of gaming fun you know you can have when you're obviously aware of what the root cause is?
I've 100% Oddyssey and Wonder and I'm soon done with Astro Bot and not once did it cross my mind Astro Bot is "stealing" from Oddyssey.
@Anti-Matter You only really continue to perpetuate this issue and give this mental bogeyman power by burying your head in the sand and never trying to move on from it.
Ultimately it's your decision to treat things as such, but it does feel as if it's something you need to analyze and work on.
@larryisaman It’s a lesson that Nintendo has known for years, and that Sony USED to grasp.
They need to re-learn the lesson. I hope they do, as a Sony/Nintendo fanboy.
@GamingFan4Lyf I switched to PC and Switch only this gen, and basically everything has been replaced due to just how many games are on PC now. Plus I got the Steam Deck, so now even the Switch is only being played for exclusives. I actually have my PC hooked up to my TV with Steam Big Picture, so it's closer to the console experience.
NL please don't inspire gatekeeping. We get it, u hate clones and everything has to be "metroid"vania. This game is great!
Yikes. Those are some pretty obvious influences. Sony has done that quite a bit over the years in regards to Nintendo. Oh well. If the game is good that is great for PS5 owners.
I started Astro Bot yesterday and I’m thrilled with it. It’s just full of so much FUN! I don’t think anyone is pretending it’s not a love letter to Nintendo. I’m only on world 3 and I’ve already come across great references. Phunky Phil and Giga Robo most notably for me. It feels like less of a ripoff than a perfectly polished fan fiction.
Now do the same analysis with Shovel Knight.
I mean, of course they took a lot of inspiration from games that work well.
It is not about the parts, it is about the whole.
@wanghosom Having played through the entire game, I think it's only as much of a "re-skin" as literally any other 3D platformer. I highly recommend checking it out if you have a PS5, I personally think the game oozes originality in its level designs. The silly side-by-side comparisons like the one featured above don't do this game justice.
I really want this game to do well, because Mario needs more competition. Astro has LOTS of originality to speak of — the only people who feel otherwise haven't played it (as far as I can tell).
I want Astro to become Sony's mascot. This game is so full of joy and bursting with fun ideas, and is a technical marvel to boot!
If you can't beat em, join em! But honestly, it is quite funny that Nintendo throw out inventive and fun platformers like this every couple of years for fun, and Playstation owners are just discovering this type of game. Like they've just invented it or something haha
This is direct inspiration, yes. But is inspiration a bad thing? It actually is not. It is completely okay for Sony to take inspiration from Nintendo games. In fact, it's utterly flattering that here as a Nintendo fan I am watching all the competitors play catch-up in game design. Astro Bot is just now emulating all of those great mechanics and ideas that Nintendo games have presented for years, while implementing ideas of their own.
And in the same breath, should we be canceling BOTW for taking direct inspiration from Assassin's Creed? Should we be lambasting Splatoon for taking direct inspiration from Mario Sunshine? No, because inspiration is necessary for products and art to make progress with incremental steps, while staying within the bounds of the mainstream zeitgeist.
Humans ironically elevate novelty and originality to an impossibly high pedestal, when in reality nearly everybody adheres to this truth: if something is too different, too unique, then it is almost always rejected.
I think the only opinion that matters is my own, and everyone else's is a just a waste of air. Everyone should have that same perspective. People need to stop letting the personal feelings of other creatures in their shared species bother them so much. I think the game is amazing, regardless of what you've played in the past.
This is the best 3D platformer I have played since Mario Odyssey..
I don't care if there's some similarities, the more the merrier..
And I thought it was understood by most people that Nintendo don't require Sony and Microsoft to fail in order to be successful.
So there's no need to try to reignite a console war over a successful playstation title.
I can't even see why a game this day and age is getting scolded for imitating fun. That's like me telling anyone that is younger than me "Hey, you are breathing air, and that's copying me because I did it first so stop it." Fun is a formula, and not a crime to make a fun game. Platforming is a genre.Mario doesn't own the mechanics of the genre.
@dskatter never try to understand @anti-matter. He has very unique takes on every post, but don't think he is rage baiting. He just likes very niche and/or kids games and it's fine, look at his game library and scores.
Nah, they're just butthurt lol
I'm just glad someone is making new 3D platformers. Astro Bot on PSVR was amazing and if I had a PS5 I would buy this game right now. I wish this eventually gets a PC release.
I love good games. I am loving Astrobot, but with that said....One of the reasons I love Astrobot is that it does the Mario stuff so well lol. Countless times I am reminded of mechanics of Mario games. But I'm ok with that, I said the something about Donkey Kong Country, and Banjo Kazooie, when those games came out. Loved them both, this just more of that. Imitation is the highest form of Flattery
I think perhaps a code of video game idea-borrowing ethics (market-enforced only, of course) should be created so that more nuanced discussions on this topic can be had. The status quo is simply "I know it when I see it," except we all see it differently.
For example, some ideas are obvious, like a rocket pack to hover, but some are not, like using a double-water sprayer to hover (or a helicopter spin from one's pony tail as in DKC2). Astro Bot's hover move does seem like too specific of a copy of Mario Sunshine. The same game mechanic can be implemented in any number of ways, like SMB's spring board versus Sonic's mere springs or A Boy and His Blob's trampolines. Shovel Knight admitted to borrowing the downward stab from Adventure of Link, but it's also a pretty obvious move. Cranky Kong's pogo cane move is a much less obvious move and thus can be pretty specifically attributed to the NES DuckTales game, even to its benefit of safely traversing spikes. The more complex the move and the less obvious it is, the more of a rip-off it is.
One thing that might elevate discourse though is no longer using the euphemism "inspired" (in this context) by another's work. Derivative work is in the more general sense *un*inspired, or at least less inspired, than more original work. It does violence to language if being "inspired by" another's work means the work is less "inspired" in the abstract. No one is allowed to say they're "inspired by" someone else's math homework. There shouldn't be some artists' license to speak this way when those in other lines of work cannot.
@dartmonkey “console-warmongering”
I love the coinage!
@EarthboundBenjy Tell that to the Pokemon Community.
Let's also remember that at some point in time, a future 3D Donkey Kong will be compared to all sorts of other games, and it too will inevitably take inspiration from other sources to create its own game formula. Artists and products need the space to take inspiration without crossing the threshold of legitimate copying.
@Anti-Matter
I think you make a good point that there is something arguably improper about using non-M-rated material as a gateway to get younger gamers curious about M-rated franchises. I was a little worried about that with Cereza and the Lost Demon, the Bayonetta spin-off. That game is rated T but has an aesthetic younger than that. Based on playing a couple hours of it, I suspected it was rated T in part because the character is from an M-rated franchise. Of course, Bayonetta was already in E10+-rated Smash Ultimate, but she's one character among 70+ and so isn't a focal point.
At the same time, Astro Bot had a directive to represent PlayStation history. And any such Sony or Microsoft crossover would have a hard time steering around M-rated games.
Further, the legacy gaming publishers are consciously reviewing how they can appeal to younger gamers who might otherwise simply continue to play Minecraft and Roblox until they're 80.
Those must have been one hell of an 18+ stuffs.
Sure it uses Mario as a biases I’m sure but other then that it does different things. Honestly I think it’s a good idea they were inspired by Mario’s platformers as they are really really fun, and just looking at the trailer just show that it has that same kind of fun warm platforming goodness. So yeah in short no lol it doesn’t cross a line of any kind and they definitely aren’t ripping of in any way.
You really cannot take all these Twitter stuff seriously.
As someone who's not much into Mario games, Mario Oddysey was such a joy to play with. So much so that I tried some other 3D Mario games such as Mario Sunshine and Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury and also had fun with them.
Haven't played the new Astro Bot game yet but I am playing the free Astro's Playroom and it's such a fun platformer.
We need more platformers that aren't just from Nintendo and Astro Bot is a good step from Sony to the right direction (at least I hope they continue to explore more 3D platformers)
This is an odd attempt at dragging Sony through the mud considering the PS5 Pro recently got announced at $700 and their ex-president suggested laid-off employess just drive for Uber for a year. There's plenty of ammo guys.
And if 'copying' 3D Mario is a means of getting Sony out of their western third-person Narrative Experience rut then by all means, copy-paste away.
Nah come on - let these 2 games/franchises exist in their own space, and lets appreciate them both for what they bring to the table.
I respect Sony for taking this direction with their IP, especially at a time when every new release seems to be a Soulslike, Metroidvania and/or online shooter (these are all genres I enjoy btw).
Great to see some market diversity, and perhaps a renaissance for the 3D platformer landscape??
I have not played Astro personally, but the consensus seems overwhelmingly positive...
I get fustrated with this when people compare astro bot to mario, mario in recent games has a health bar and can take multiple hits, in astro bot, you take a hit once you die! Later levels are a nightmare because of this regardless of the "checkpoints" that are only there for the easier levels anyway
@Thomystic I think that's a tad overblown. Cereza & the lost demon got a lower rating because it lacked the gore of the main series. I don't think Kamiya thinks about the age ratings of his games, he just makes what he wants to make and leaves it at that. He wanted to make a cuter game for an adult audience as he wanted people to treat Cereza like a daughter. It just so happened that the whimsy is exactly what helped reduce the rating.
Lol. Mario fans claim he did everything first in games, even when he didn't. Apart from both being 3D platformers, the similarities in the video are tenuous at best.
Smart designers working under the same design constraints find similar solutions.
Surely if we go far enough we can simply suggest every developer is guilty of copying every other developer by virtue of them all releasing 'games' for 'computers'? Food for thought.
Oh wait it's really not.
Also, go Astro Bot <3
I think many are missing the point of the original tweet: PlayStation fans are claiming this game is unique and puts Nintendo to shame. In short, they're asking to be reminded of where it gets so many of its mechanics from. I just like the game...but I do feel like I'm retreading a Mario platformer.
@Anti-Matter You complain about mature games but pick an avatar that seems inappropriately dressed for that character's age. 🤔
I see a bunch of awesome games on the left (plus ARMS lol) and an awesome game on the right. Of course it's heavily inspired by Nintendo; there's not much else to be inspired in that genre. As a lifelong Nintendo fan and a more recent PlayStation owner, I want more of this! It'd be cool if Microsoft did one next (Banjo-Threeie? I am begging you please?).
I am loving Astro Bot. Coming from someone who grew up and loved Mario starting with the original SMB, I lost a lot of interest starting around 3D world / Odyssey, and can't really put my finger on it. To me Astro Bot has incredible production values and top notch level design (though I'm only about halfway through). I never thought of it as a Mario copy, I think it stands above.
@Dman10
That's my chibi ice skate boxer Axel.
@Lightsiyd Agreed. I recently started playing Foamstars on PS5 due to all the toxic gatekeeper attitude from Splatoon fans, saying it's a clone and being unoriginal and u know what? I really liked it! The maps, the characters, and style. A nice break away from the small kiddie look Splatoon characters have. My friends and I have been playing FS almost everyday. There are a few things Splatoon could learn from it.
Seeing games challenge Nintendo's royal throne is nice once in a while.
Wow, definitely seems like it took alot from 3d mario. How can I not see it!
Shoulders of giants and all that. I don't care. Please rip off the rest of Nintendo's games, Sony! I need more to play on my PS5.
Astro Bot is everything Mario Odyssey could and should have been. Far superior level design, incredible fun, charm and character.
It's a game Nintendo should envy and yes it is influenced by Mario 64 but it is the best 3D platformer since that very game (and Banjo Kazooie)
Fight me!
@EarthboundBenjy No one is really divided on this, the hate is small. NL has a lot influence and power to change narratives.
"Word for word, bar for bar" could be more of an argument if they compared all the Astro Bot footage to ONE game (not that the latter ultimately worked for Genshin and Immortals detractors), but when you start seeing similarities to a whole lineup of games... please. Half the gaming industry has grown from Nintendo stuff in the first place, so inspirations are Tuesday - but copycatting accusers can take their claims and sho- ahem, take their claims and go see a recent Time Extension article on the topic of what an actual "clone" looks like (with everything that entails).
@Vivianeat I'm not familiar with Foamstars but I'm glad you had fun with it, that's supposed to be the entire point!! I couldn't express my disappointment with NL when I saw that Fenyx Rising review, it discourages people from trying out a great game just because of their own biases.
There are definitely extremes on both sides of the coin, but Nintendo does not lack fangs when the situation calls for it, so there's no need to throw shade directly or indirectly at other games when they take inspiration from them. More great games will always be a good thing.
@Anti-Matter Everyone and their mother knows you don't like anything mature. I'm sorry for the traumatic moment you experienced but it's getting really tiring to see you denounce 18+ games in every article.
I’ll pretty much guarantee Sony will try and capitalize off their newest mascot with an animated film of its own in no time.
There are no original ideas left. The end. All that’s left is execution.
Oh yeah... It definitely borrows. I'm playing it and its great, but it definitely borrows a lot of inspiration and mechanics from Nintendo games. What's that quote about imitation being the highest form of flattery?
From the galaxy menu sure, for other parts no idea not played it or seen enough.
I can say Mario Galaxy was after Ratchet 2 & 3's planets, I can say Crush was before Super Paper Mario's 2D/3D mechanic. Who cares. Me, who really cares, no one. XD Popularity/other priorities over first or inspiration. I know this well enough.
AAA always want to copy from others. Competition may have been what it was in the past but I still preferred it as the mechanics were still different between platformers, shooters, racing. Nowadays it's more nostaglia/copy paste.
Though the Japan Studios offering Nintendo like experiences could seem a bit literal here in some areas of inspiration though yes. It still differs sure but to me even the 'use other games mechanics/costumes' in Astro is a bit why should I care? The mechanics aren't different enough, the mouse is small and not exciting use of the ears I'd prefer to see happen of helicopter ears or sound sensing or other cool mechanics. That's the out of the box disappointment I have with Astrobot. The personality is good, the mechanics are a disappointment. The themes are standard stuff.
Indies as well, nostalgia and nothing new to add to it. I blame audiences as well as devs that are also the same audiences reaching that audience. So the lack of good ideas happens. Recycle Sega Rally, recycle a bunch of platformers. I'm sick and tired of nostalgia/emotional satisfying people. Do something new. Spend time and money trying. IF others get inspirations from a dream or something random why not.
Why are others so useless. I can think up ideas easily by seeing hey foam in Foamstars used this way and that way. Why are these people in creative industries so pathetic. I get the technical/creative are two types but I do technical things while also having a creative moment so it's not hard to blend both together really.
The new Indie platformers are fine but they still have that nostalgia limitation to them besides trying to be different, they aren't different enough. Oh a Crash/DK clone. Oh a Spyro clone. Oh a Sonic clone. Oh we see Pikmin/Paper Mario clones.
I'm sick and tired of nostalgia/emotionally baiting customers. It's annoying.
The good Indies are unique, lazy Indies don't have a broad enough imagination or a good enough difference from their inspirations. It's very noticeable.
Why else do I not care about Indie platformers. I'm sticking to 5-7th platformers. More unique ideas, no one cares about so might as well play them, spreading around how they are won't do anything for people to notice anyways.
Other genres I have my excited, eh and avoidance for them too. It varies.
I’m a Nintendo die-hard. Been here since the NES. I’ll throw down (not really) with some Sony Ponies any time…
…But not about Astro Bot. Astro Bot absolutely rules.
And while everyone is focused on the Nintendo influences - I think the biggest influence I see is Rayman Origins. But that game is neutral in console wars, so it doesn’t get brought up.
Me mad at whatever makes you happy, I guess. But in my opinion, Astro Bot is a thing of beauty - influences and all.
@Diowine Oh, I just hit ignore on them and moved on. The eyerolling was starting to blur my vision.
It's like a Mario game, but without the soul or charm. Something about it looks too sterile and uninspired. Even the designs of all the robots just look like rip-offs of Eve from Wall-e lol.
It also has a very "corporate" feel, considering the game is packed with other Sony characters as robots. It's as if they felt it couldn't stand on its own and needed a bunch of references for the type of people who go "oh look! It's a reference! I'm freaking the heck out!! Aaaaaahhhh! wojak face"
Influence is one thing, but this is too far. Looks like a great game, though.
I'm starting to notice a theme on this site,
Astro copying Mario
Genshin copying Zelda
Foamstars copying Splatoon
Palworld Copying Pokémon
And soon there will be an article on Floatopia copying Animal Crossing.
Strange how most have no problem with other games copying these games as long as they are on the Switch, but kick up a fuss about the games that aren't on the Switch 🙃.
I’d just like to say I love this thread. ‘Eccentric’ is the word it inspires.
Well it’s normal to be inspired by the best isn’t it?
I haven’t played it yet but astros playroom was one of the most fun and innovative experiences I’ve ever had in gaming so for anyone to accuse Astro bot as not being original is quite frankly farcical.
@EarthboundBenjy Yeah I agree. This article really didn't need to be made because the accusations of going too far are made by a very small minority of fanboys and I'd think this site was wiser than to give those sorts of people attention, because otherwise they will start to think that their words hold some amount of legitimacy. This is borderline a ragebait article and these sorts of discussions don't really have a place here.
Unless a game is literally, blatantly plagiarizing the mechanics and levels of something 1:1 then these articles really do not need to be made. They're useless, they don't add to discussions, but they most certainly invite discourse in a site that has strict guidelines to be civil to one another.
All Astro Bot proves is that more AA and AAA developers SHOULD be 'stealing' (read: taking heavy inspiration) from Nintendo.
For too long it's been made out that Nintendo have some kind of unreplicable secret sauce with their games, so other devs shouldn't even bother trying to compete. How many times have we heard that Nintendo "don't count" next to PS/Xbox? That they're not in direct competition?
The reality is that there's nothing magic about what Nintendo does. It's all about having those guiding design principles that place fun above all else and sticking to them no matter what.
I won't say it's easy, credit still has to go Team ASOBI, and Sony for backing them, but it's a lot more achievable than conventional wisdom suggests.
If we had more Nintendo 'copycat' games made with this much love and heart, and fewer soulless Overwatch knock-offs (cough Concord) then the industry would be in a much healthier place.
@Anti-Matter what?
What a ridiculous comparison, yes there are shared mechanics but equally Mario wasn’t the first to do all of them and they’re not all 1-1.
The closest is the Frog Gloves and Yoshi, but Mario Galaxy 2 was not the first game to have grappling like that. They’re nothing like Arms and the context is completely different, you can’t curve them for one which is one of the main Arms mechanics.
Ultimately it’s a boxing glove on a spring, a cartoon staple for many years before Arms, and a grappling hook combined.
The Splatoon one is just wrong. For one you don’t swim through the paint, use it to splat enemies or anything like that, the paint doesn’t even stay. All of those things are core Splatoon mechanics.
You actually just use it to reveal invisible platforms, which is not how Splatoon works. If anything it’s more akin to The Unfinished Swan, an indie game Sony funded on the PS3.
And the Pikmin one? That’s a real stretch! Picking up bots and throwing them isn’t a mechanic in the game like the video is making out. There are point where if you have enough bots you can summon them and they’ll help you get to a new place. This is one example of what is essentially an in-game cutscene where the bots happen to do this is a way that looks similar to a Pikmin mechanic when taken out of context. Pikmin did not invent the idea of things jumping or being thrown over a gap.
Then you just have a hover jump, again a common mechanic but again different to the one shown. The pig spinning is different to Bowser’s fight.
Obviously there are influences and some similar mechanics but Nintendo didn’t invent half these mechanics. If you dig deep enough you’ll find their own influences and inspirations. Many of them are based on existing ideas like the cartoon boxing glove on a spring, or evolved from other games like the grappling hook.
This sort of stuff just makes us all look stupid in the end.
@Anti-Matter That's a bit extreme, just like those people boycotting Mario Odyssey due to "cultural appropriation" because Mario could wear a sombrero.
So you think it's pure evil and that children will get scarred for life by using Astrobot as a gateway drug into the horrible heavy horror drug resident Evil for example?
Reminds me of that preast preaching that Pokemon is the work of the devil and that children playing Pokemon will go to hell.
Come on, It's the parent's responsibility to keep r18 rated games away from small children.
This is NOT strictly a children's game, it's a game for everyone.
And especially long term playstation fans.
Otherwise what would be the point in celebrating the old classics that the kids these days don't know anything about?
I think that Post Up guy needs to get a life.
What a strange thing to get wound up about.
Played through the entire game over the weekend and loved it. There’s definitely direct inspiration from Mario games especially galaxy games but that’s not a bad thing as those games are incredible. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
When is any l game nowadays not inspired by another. Astrobot is incredible, so is Mario. Mario Galaxy 1&2 are masterpieces of game design.
They steal from the best in the biz, and their players should be happy to have it.
Do they do it as well as Nintendo does?
Who cares. It's largely for a different audience, and they seem to really enjoy it.
Personally I think it’s great that the PS5 owners have a game to play now.
@UltimateOtaku91 I love this site but the influential bias on here is wrong. Especially how potent they can b by just reviews. Give a game 6//10 and you'll get comments like "bummer I guess I'll skip this one". I hope their review of Zelda Echoes is very critical, but likely won't.
Popular sites like this can supress the success of any game they want. They can choose who wins. Plucky Squire (looking forward to this game btw, it looks just like a Zelda game I would buy) is an example. This is really the only site that talks about that indie game consistently in comparison to other indies and even use it's art in their article thumbnails often. Their huge fans of James Turner and he's Brit so, boom.
I love Palworld and Foam isn't even that bad. I love Splatoon but the Splat community is just toxic and simpy sometimes. Any criticism of Splat 3 and they'll eat u up. When Foam was announced, they lost their minds.
They can do whatever they want as long as it's legal... but I was annoyed that all the glowing reviews didn't address nearly enough how much it is modeled on Mario. And if they mentioned a Mario game it was a random one ("Sony's Mario 64" 🤨?) when it most obviously emulates Mario Galaxy. From 2007. And others, too. Man, the enemies, the settings, it's so close.
My main takeaway: Sony fanpages are a whole separate universe, and they won't mention Nintendo because their fans don't wanna hear about it.
I wonder if internally the game had a Mario-related codename.
I mean, cmon, it’s a complete and total ripoff. There’s no need for anyone to try to deny that, that’s just silly.
But the last new Mario came out 7 years ago.
And this is a very very polished rip off that has new ideas and new mechanics and is a lot of fun. There’s no reason why Mario fans shouldn’t be playing this.
It's a solid game and a strong contender for game of the year. It doesn't necessarily bring a whole lot new to the table that we haven't seen in other Nintendo games, but that's okay--not every game has to re-invent the wheel. This game stands out, though, for being a lovely homage to Sony's most beloved franchises. It feels less like product placement and more like a love letter to gaming in the same vein as Smash Bros. I'm not even a big PlayStation fan, but I can still appreciate all the fanservice on offer. Team Asobi has something really special on their hands.
That said, if we're looking at this from the perspective of "console wars," games like this one and Concord do highlight how Sony isn't exactly the pioneer of original ideas and does largely copy the rest of the industry at large. Nintendo sets trends, Sony follows them. Even the DualSense technology iterates off Nintendo's own HD rumble.
That said, I can't deny that Sony's enhanced vibration technology is leagues ahead of Nintendo's. Astro Bot is a gorgeous technical showcase, not just for the controller, but also the raw horsepower of the console. It really emphasized to me how Nintendo needs to step up their game in the graphics department. There are literally hundreds of 3D models on screen at a time that can be interacted with individually. I love engaging with the environment and, on the ice cream level for example, sending dozens of sprinkles flying toward the camera when I spin into them. I'm pretty sure my Switch would catch on fire if you tried to replicate this.
It's too late now, but if this game releases a couple years earlier, I could see Nintendo taking notes and saying, "We need to implement some of this technology in our next console!"
Astro Bot is a must-own in everyone's PS5 collection, but it's not "better" than Mario. I enjoy the games leagues more than 3D World, and even Odyssey. But it doesn't surpass Galaxy, Super Mario 64 or even Bowser's Fury in my eyes. Nintendo isn't the only competition anymore when it comes to 3D platformers, though. I'm glad the genre has made a resurgence and hope it continues to last, although I'm admittedly getting a bit fatigued from them all, which is not something I even thought I'd say!
Maybe some of that stuff is apt, but when they bring up ARMS I think they're just looking for excuses. Not a chance it plays anything like it.
@beltmenot That's the rub, really. Sure, a traumatic experience may affect the types of media you choose to consume, and that's completely fine and doesn't affect anyone.
Trauma does not make you click on every article and type out long posts about how you won't be playing an E10-rated platformer simply because it has cameos of characters from M-rated games you haven't even played. That's a pure choice from Anti-Matter that rubs a ton of people the wrong way. It even comes with a tone of superiority at times, as if we're all wrong for partaking in the "evil stuffs" present in these games, and it's up to him to guide us to the correct and pure path.
@Anti-Matter i don't know if you will see this since you blocked me, but i think you need to forgive and forget.
Also, you'd better watch out everyone. Anti-Matter might block you too.
A lot of games take inspiration from other games, that's what happens when so many games are produced a year.
People posting videos like the one embedded in the article do it for the sake of drumming up drama. Astro is a great game and deserves to be in the same conversation as Nintendo's platformers with the charm and just flat out fun. We need more games like this from other developers.
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I pity those who think like that... And then I laugh. Hahahahahahaha
This looks soooo fun but I'm not quite prepared to shell out for a PS5 and never really have tbh.
Keeping my funds for the eventual Switch 2 which will come.........at some point!
I think for me it kind of depends on who is making it. I don't really mind taking clear inspiration from games, and sometimes don't even mind "clones" especially when by Indie studios.
But this is not a small indie we're talking about here... This is one of Sony's big games. The game might be fun, but it does drop my opinion on Sony because they chose the easy route and just copy homework from someone else...
@Anti-Matter it sounds like you need to forgive and forget. it's not your fault you got exposed to those 18+ things, so why beat yourself up about it? I used to hate Danny Phantom for giving me bad thoughts as a young kid, but then i realized that was irrational. For the good of your mental health and mine, please forgive and forget
@Anti-Matter you realize that kids won’t even know where the toon is from if they haven’t been exposed to M rated games, or you tube…. I found it a joyful experience to see all the IP’s they paid homage to as bots. As a parent it’s your job to prevent kids from playing M rated games, seeing a cartoon version or a character from them isn’t going to corrupt your kid's. Many kids films and TV shows have content only adults understand hidden in them. Go back and watch classic TV shows like Mork & Mindy, Three’s Company, Golden Girls, and even Bewitched and I Dream of Jeanie etc., all family shows where a kid can watch and only adults pick up on some things. Astro Bot is 100% kid safe.
@Toshiro_Baloney 100% Agree. One of the most fun and joy filled platformer I have played in years and I am a die hard Nintendo fan from 1984 on!
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