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@Henmii A step forward is better than none. Most people want the games to make several leaps.

@shoeses

1. Whether or not Pokemon get new animations will depend on what Game Freak wants or tries to do for a given project. This argument is just as garbage.

2. Game Freak is not in charge of the franchise. The Pokemon Company is. The handle everything from the promotion to how much money to throw around to promote the brand or their products. Game Freak doesn't even have control over how much funding or time they get for the games they make at this point. Your argument is based in ignorance.

3. As an addendum to the previous point: TPC holds the moneybag for the franchise and thus how much of the profits goes to Game Freak.

4. Quality over quantity is what they are arguing for cause clearly as the Pokedex continues to grow, the feature creep will balloon depending on the what GF wants to do with any given project, making the addition of all Pokemon less feasible depending on what they decided the project demand for their project goals.

@moodycat Gen V was great too, what are you on about.

@Fath You new here? This has been the standard for Pokemon for the longest time. Get your head outta the sand.

I am torn between all 3 tbh. I wanna see their later evos before coming to a final decision.

Leaning toward the duck tho.

@Not_Soos Why buy Arceus now?

As a holdover for Scarlet and Violet.

@Lizuka Fire Zodiac?

@Einherjar This requires some explanation: Inti Creates basically changed the way Copen plays entirely in iX 2, a far cry from how he was in GV2 and iX1. His gameplay originally revolved around staying in the air as long as possible by dashing into and locking onto enemies and destroy them with weapons to gain points, with sizeable bonuses to staying airborne.

iX 2 does away with this and gives Copen only one Bullit Dash per go, and the only way to play the original way is achieve Overdrive by getting 1000 Kudos and maintaining it.

They have another DLC boss fight that gives you the ability to have the original gameplay style active indefinitely... Behind not only said boss, but a paywall. When it should've been some in-game unlockable from the beginning.

Sorry, but after the whole bit of selling us back the way Copen originally played as a paid DLC. I am not going to get this game.

That was incredibly scummy, Inti, and this will not change my mind.

@Anti-Matter -or you could not be a snob and realize some people don't all have time for that.

@HeadPirate There's so many assumptions that I dunno where to stare with this.

@ModdedInkling Except that with Hyrule Warriors and Age of Calamity, despite similarities, each character played differently than the first game and was unique and even had their own gimmicks.

The same cannot be said for Fire Emblem Warriors. Vast majority of the roster was populated purely by clones that did not have unique movesets or even special Attacks at all. I know. I own the game and played it a lot. But my playtime with it doesn't change the utter disappointment from the complete lack of giving the characters their own personality outside of spoken lines and minor aesthetics, at most.

Three Hopes has to be made up more similar to Age of Calamity, or even have even just the strong attacks and specials both differ between characters, and that would be miles better than what FEW gave us.

Unless all the characters have unique movesets unlike the BS we got with the original FE Warriors, I am not interested at all.

Musou games should be a chance to show off the personalities of characters like these by the way they fight, not shoved off into archetypes.

@Yorumi well.he is the face of the company as far as characters go. Them taking it seriously is a given.

@Yorumi I'm not purporting or supporting that GF is some struggling indie-dev. They aren't, but that doesn't change that TPC is the one who holds the cards when it comes to budgets for anything done with the franchise. They are the equivalent of the franchise's manager.

As for why they don't give Game Freak more budget: that's been discussed many times, and many people just refuse to listen: Most of Pokemon's money is not made by the games.

As of late 2019, out of the ~$92 Billion that Pokemon has made over it's life, ~$60 billion of that has come from merchandising.

Meaning most of their money comes from the licenses of the franchise in things like the TCG, toys, plushes, and other assorted media and consumer products. The games overall have only netted them around $16-17 billion over the franchise's life. Considering the magnitude on which billions exist, that is not an insubstantial difference.

So the obvious answer for why TPC, the ones who manage where the money goes for the franchise's continued existence, it's because the games simply aren't the biggest deal financially, even though for people like you and me, who are more interested in the games than other parts of the franchise, it is the biggest deal and our main source of interaction with it.

The only way the games are going to be granted more budget is if they keep making bigger an bigger numbers installment over installment. Especially in Game Freak's case. And as the franchises history has shown, Sword and Shield are the only games thus far to reach the 23 million lifetime sales mark since Gold and Silver. So we can only hope TPC sees the grand response to PLA and decides to give GF a bigger budget to work with.

To the people who keep going with the highest grossing franchise refrain and keep focusing on Game Freak:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/hb1ci8/faq_what_is_the_pok%C3%A9mon_company_how_everything/

Quoting the two most important parts of it:
"As you maybe know, Nintendo has been handling publishing for Pokémon games since the beginning. But, since the 2000s, all Pokémon games are co-published by Nintendo and TPC together. A publisher work with production, funding, distribution, localization, QA, supervision and many different aspects, along in most of the times being the contractor for the development company. TPC is responsible for all of that except for distribution, which is solely handled by Nintendo, while marketing of all products is handled by TPC, to the point where Pokémon gets its own events, like Pokémon press conferences or frequent solo videos done by TPC."

And now about Game Freak themselves:

"Game Freak is responsible for development of the mainline series. So unlike what some fans in the internet think, they aren't responsible for budget, funding or anything related to this because they aren't the publisher of any Pokémon project. Like Creatures and Nintendo or any company in the industry, they only get revenue for the projects they are involved and in the position they are (so in GF case, a developer)."

I got this from straight positing to google who makes the financial decisions between the 4 companies: TPC, Nintendo, GF or Creatures.

@nessisonett sack and gash?

@Einherjar Most of the channels who post Nintendo music and other VG music typically don't monetize their videos. Usually acting as a sort of internet archive people can readily access so long as the videos are available.

Which is why I find the people who revile them so bizarre.

@Einherjar Even more bizarre are the people who treat people such as Gilvasunner as criminals or demons. It's like they're incapable of parsing that these people provide a service that Nintendo themselves by and large are unwilling to shell out for, or do.

I have several MP3s of Astral Chain tracks and a couple from Daemon x Machina on my personal playlist. Also several remixes and remasters of official game music. Because I enjoy them.

@WhiteUmbrella You're asking for too much introspection from someone who clearly can't do it.

@Rykdrew Oh do sod off. You're painting with too wide a brush and you know it. For example, graphics aren't the major reason thise games don't interest me. There are probably plenty of others who are the same way.

@iLikeUrAttitude Buddy, having played MH4U, 3U, Generations extensively, and Stories. The only one that beats SuMo outright graphically, is Stories.

All the others are on par or close to the PS2 in terms of graphical fidelity for pretty much everything except FMVs. The graphical style differences are also largely due to a difference in art direction. So not only are you comparing apples and oranges in terms of direction, you're stacking that with multiple games that have the same or similar art direction, and only one that's actually comparable, outside of Yokai Watch, which you mentioned.

If you're gonna argue the graphics by drawing comparisons, at least have the sense to draw said comparisons with games with comparable art durection and style FFS.

@Deviant-Dork The hell are you on about?

To the people making the argument about Pokemon being the highest grossing franchise in the world:

That is true but where is most of that money being allocated? It's obviously not the games. The Pokemon Company if I am not mistaken is at the helm when it comes allocating money to the various arms of the franchise. Which means Masuda and co. need to ask TPC permission for higher budgets and that TPC sets the amount of money Game Freak gets to put towards any Pokemon game project.

Which means hounding Game Freak only does so much. The Pokemon Company needs to be grilled too, not just GF, if anything is to get done on the graphics front.

My big hope for this game overall is that it's sales inspire a continued evolution of gameplay going forward. With the good reviews and people praising the gameplay (and not the graphics), it's gonna be pretty hard justifying going back and calling this a one-off.

EDIT:

Adding to this further, how much do the games themselves usually gross?

@NEStalgia You're going bridge too far with that comparison. Even I can see that.

@dew12333 Look man, even I'll sing PLA's praises on the gameplay so far, but the graphics really are very, very rough. Even SWSH looked better than this graphically.

GF and co. can do better.

@Peach64 I misunderstood. In which case, I agree.

@Peach64 Cause Switch Pro right now seems more a meme than any kind of impending reality. Also cause not wanting to drop 100s of dollars for another machine right now, might have something ado with it for some people.

I for example eschewed the OLED cause it's not a substantial upgrade for someone like me who uses the Switch primarily in docked mode... and mine is a day 1 launch model.

Graphics aren't the end all be all for me at all. Gameplay matters the most to me.

However, this game's graphics, while nice in some places, are rough, rough, rough, and feel like enough attention wasn't given to them.

Kinda makes me wish the dev team would endeavor to improve them post launch, but we all know how that usually goes.

That being said... the game is fun to play so far.

@NotSoCryptic do you know how much bigger 4M is than 400K?

@Yorumi The same could be said for you. You've projected a whole cavalcade of thoughts and feelings toward me, when by and large my issue was his conduct and far less his opinions. My perception of his opinions however are affected by his conduct. Having an open mind is one, thing, but I feel less inclined to be as open when someone's first response to someone being critical of them is to call them an apologist.

As for what you've said in your last post. I have been using this site for several years now, and based on what you've said, my impression and view of you is far outdated.

I therefore retract the previous things I've said of you and then want to say:

I apologize for attacking you in that manner and making those claims.

@moodycat Can't argue with that. It is true.

@Savage_Joe You and Yorumi are both wrong here: I berate him for his conduct far more than his opinions. Him having such a strong disdain for the game doesn't bother me nearly as much as the way he's reacting in response to people.

I find it far more irritating seeing someone immediately call somebody an apologist, based on checks notes... a smarmy comment about him being a pirate and that stating he found out the game "wasn't" for him. I don't think the smarmy comment by Xellen was either justified nor necessary.

The "you're an apologist" canard is one I've seen far too often used, and seems more often than not, rather than a valid observation, used to demonize people who disagree with someone's strongly felt, negative view point on something.

As a credit to the criticisms raised by both NintendoLife and others: the FPS stuttering and the low-res textures do bother me a bit, but I intend to play this game and see what other flaws it has for myself, rather than letting some guy I have never met dictate my decision this time around.

@Yorumi: I am not implying you are a bad person for not liking technical issues. You not liking technical issues isn't my problem with you on this. I take issue with the fact that in the past, you, like NinjaGuy, have engaged similarly in calling people apologists when they don't agree with your viewpoint. I've seen it more than several times throughout my time both participating and lurking on this site. You don't like the game's technical flaws. That's fine. They affect things including gameplay, more often than not.

Like I just told Savage Joe, I take issue with NinjaGuy and others conduct, more than their opinions on the game. Two separate issues only related by proximity.

@chapu2006 Being one of the best doesn't necessitate it being a 10/10.

@Dilly-Mick To their credit: while it is true quality is largely subjective, it does have some objective things that are expected in this day and age.

@NinjaGuy69 Just because people here don't agree with you or buy what you're selling doesn't make them apologists or incapable of critical thinking, like a good many of you who act like this love to tout

And secondly, in case your memory is short: I just read through his post again. The closest he came to insulting you was calling you a pirate, which you've admitted to. So he wasn't even saying anything untrue. Further, as smarmy as his remark about you not even having the ground to stand on to complain about having wasted your money is, he's not wrong, nor is it necessarily insulting in the way you think it is.

You then proceeded to call him an apologist, purely for that.

So frankly, take your own advice, and kick rocks, you schmuck.

@Yorumi So not just kowtowing to negative opinions that sound like they may be overblown is justifying bad behavior?

Even if I were to give the overblown, minor issues the credit some think they deserve, with some of the people online it looks to me like a rabbit hole of "either you blindly agree or you're against me/ an apologist."

And speaking frankly, you often fall into that category along with others that occasionally show themselves.

FPS stuttering is an issue. Low quality textures, I can overlook if they aren't super horrendous to look at, at any distance... but I'm not going to knock a game down into the dirt while having no experience with it.

Hell, I skipped SwSh and BDSP precisely because of things I've heard. I don't necessarily regret it for either one, but not having played them myself, I'm not going to go out of my way to tear them down. Legends Arceus is no different.

And further, the bad behavior I see, seems more on the people who can't stand the fact that others aren't immediately falling in line to their negative takes or opinions on a game.

@Mauzuri You're asking the impossible.

@Yorumi Pokemon has technical problems, but some people blow some of the other problems out of proportion so much it comes off as them just ranting and raving.

@BloodNinja You dodged, some, but can you dodge a tomato with LEGS?!

@Laserbeak1982 to his tiniest bit of credit. I doubt the textures will look more hi-res on the actual hardware.

However, it will probably look better on our s reens while sitting away from the tube or switch screen, so...

@Dethmunk your aesthetic sense isn't the end all be all buddy, so kindly sit down and stew yourself.

@Fizza LOL this is the appropriate and hilarious response!

@Snatcher Cause they straight don't care about the law or the rules.

@Ralizah Even more funny when those people use their faux expertise exclusively to paint modders, and fan-game creators in a negative to outright demonic light.

@Varkster guy sounds like he's just being contrarian and throwing shade to try to justify himself.

@moodycat look. I know that since it's Pokemon early reception should be taken with a grain of salt and hyping responsibly is paramount but there's also a fine line between beaing realistic and being unabashedly cynical

@moodycat Why do I get this sneaking suspicion I know which side of the fence you're gonna fall on.

@RadioHedgeFund Then there's all the hoops, hurdles and pitfalls developers would have to jump to make NFT's viable in VGs. Long story short, they aren't.

https://docseuss.medium.com/look-what-you-made-me-do-a-lot-of-people-have-asked-me-to-make-nft-games-and-i-wont-because-i-m-29c7cfdbbb79

Words of a game developer on the subject, dunno if it was posted before.

The TL;DR though is that NFT assets being integrated into games and then other, completely different games is an undertaking no company or development team would realistically even consider doing. The NFTs would just be abandoned and have no use or value once the game it's associated with ceases to be in some way or another.

@Savage_Joe Aren't they? Then what happens if they become fully integrated into mainstream gaming in general? How do we avoid them? How do we keep developers from trying to coerce or convince us, the average player, from being pulled into this, especially if they use this to make more money?

If allowed to proliferate, we'll eventually have no escape from them until or if they turn out to not be profitable and are abandoned.

Also, what you and @BloodNinja imply, as someone else mentioned, is we can't tackle NFTs as well as other problems. We can, and we should, especially people like me whose main interests involve both art, and video games.