I don't see this as a short term thing. I think this is signs on the Wii U. Nintendo stated several times that they are all about the core, but right now they are basically laughing at what few core players are left.
The reason why Wii core games never sold overly well as people wanted them to is BECAUSE of Nintendo's marketing. As much as people denied it at the time, Nintendo sold the Wii as a casual system, for kids, moms and old people. While Sony an MS sold their system as hardcore, pretty and deep. Nintendo, like it or not, did lose a lot of these types of players (players that buy multiple software). And even was few core games were released on the Wii, they were immediately compared to PS3 and 360, just because that's what these Wii games were trying to be, and obviously they would fail hard because of limited graphics and crap online.
So no, it's not the consumers fault for having Wii core games sell poorly. It's Nintendo's fault for selling their system as essentially a toy and driving away a lot of core gamers.
I see this as a last straw. What few core gamers are left (you can basically count them with the sales of third party core games. 200k-1mil) are sick and tired of garbage. They want support, they want a reason NOT to go to PS3 or 360, and they aren't taking "Buy our next system, everything will be fixed" as an answer.
This makes me wonder if the Wii U will be the system Nintendo wants it to be when it essentially drove away all the players they are selling the system to. It'll obviously be a success, but with what looks like a rushed release, with what seems to be casual Nintendo games and ports of third party games that'll have been released on other systems months before, an online system that will never been as good as the rest. I don't think it'll sell the way they want it too.
And if there's no core gamers, you can bet third party support will be weak because those companies NEED core players to survive.
Time will tell, but I honestly think NoA and NoJ is being stupid about this. They are underplaying thing when I think it's a much bigger and longer lasting issue.
"Pachter, a gaming research analyst for Wedbush Securities, is notorious for his anti-Nintendo comments,"
What? Since when? Ohhhh wait, he comments on Nintendo's market status and makes suggestions on what they should do to keep making oddles of money, and people consider that anti-Nintendo..Riiiiiiight. That's basically hims saying Nintendo sucks and is doomed to fail.
Carrot on a stick comment. They do it often, and it usually means they aren't doing a thing but want to leave it open so you still support them by buying hardware.
I just think people aren't that stupid this time. Well, not everyone. Maybe they just haven't seen Nintendo do this during many games on the cube, or DS, or earlier in the Wii. lol
I didn't mind black knight. However the thing that killed it. The ONLY thing was the motion controls for the sword swinging. My GOD they couldn't just have the option to press a to swing, not waggle waggle.
NoE is doing all this promo for Xenoblade because there's all this flurry of stuff about the game in NoA. It's all over gaming sites. NoE is just eating up this free publicity and promoting it while it's going on.
So, effectively, NoE is eating up and taking advantage of NoAs stupidity. Pretty smart really. It's not like the flurry going on is BAD news about the game, it's good news, just at the expense of NoA and NoA can't do a thing with what NoE does.
It's amazing how Nintendo acts as if the Internet doesn't exist and pretends we're stupid and don't know these titles exist. All the while they try and shove move minigames in our systems.
Last time I checked, Baten Kaitos 1 was published by Nintendo, and the sequel was published by Namco. This was before Nintendo bought Monolith Soft and before Reggie took over Nintendo of America.
And are we hearing anything about Last Story? That one seems even LESS likely, GOD NoA has really started sucking when Reggie took over. I mean for gamers, not for Nintendo.
Oh right, I totally forgot about this negative aspect of Nintendo's digital store. They NEVER has sales. The Sega one is the only one I'm aware of, and I bet, since they aren't doing it a second time, it was a pain in the rear to do.
@22 NintyFan Most people did want it out as soon as possible... Until people learned about the browser, shop and launch game line up. At that point most people I recall on forums saying, woah woah, don't rush this.
Uhhhh, yes it was premature. It was rushed. Stop laying..... Well you can't, it's your job. lol
Also if by fixing the lack of software, they have a handful of Nintendo IPs but still a barren wasteland of software selection for the summer, then yes, I guess it is fixed.
Also where's the third party support? Some Capcom, some Ubisoft. There isn't much else.
Just to be clear. I don't think the 3DS is a failure, but I sure think it's launch was.
Well so much for me believing that Nintendo got the concept that releasing a press release BEFORE the content comes out is good for both the consumer and companies that depends on your digital service.
Oh well, I guess this shows how promising their new digital platform will be if they still can't even get the PR for it right.
He has grounds...This time. The Vita could easily be used as a substitute controller to the PS3 that acts like the WiiU remote. It would actually include more features too, if Sony decided to do that.
Though he said it was a multimedia system when we all know it'll have Netflix and that's it, no DVD/Blueray and I doubt it'll have a music player.
Either way, I'm sure both the lovers and the haters will go nuts with this statement, just like his statements on the Wii.
The only real games that had a lot of exploration were Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy 1. Every other major Mario game has been pretty much what he's talking about.
The funny thing is, Nintendo has a few IPs that would work really well with a F2P model with an in-game shop.
Animal Crossing comes to mind. Sell the game at retail really low (like $15-19) and have furniture packs to buy in the game. Don't wanna grind out the Halloween set? Just buy it for $2. New hair styles, hats and whatever.
Obviously some would have issue with it, but it would work, well.
SHOCK! Regions are treated differently! Movies, electronics, music and games all do this.
It's stupid, but I don't think it's going to stop any time soon.
You think with every market being an global market, you would get companies to get their heads together and release things at the same time...Instead, it remains messed up.
@y2josh Yeah. I also read an IGN article that shows Sega saying the system is coming out in spring.
Maybe we'll see another rush to get the system out for the 2010 financial quarter like the 3DS was for 2009 and half the WiiU features won't be done. lol
@WolfRamHeart Yeah, I agree with the pushing thing. Considering the only real game left for Wii is Zelda and that's this winter. What's left after that?
I think the controller will be fine. I assume the joypads were a hardware thing. 1. It's probably cheap since it's probably just the 3DS pads (no need to make new stuff) 2. The depth needed to make a real joypad must have conflicted with their design or something.
As long as it works fine right? Just need some hands on, though where you will be able to do that, who knows. Nintendo has an uphill battle selling the controller like they did with 3DS 3D screens.
@22 They don't need to make a new IP to show off online. Animal Crossing could be THE Nintendo game that shows they are in the times when it comes to online. We all know it. It's just Nintendo that thinks the same game for over a decade with no improved online features is okay.
Better then PSN and XBLA? I doubt it. In fact I almost guarantee you it won't be as good.
As for protecting kids online, there's this thing no one uses called parental controls. Those controls can have options for online play no? BAM done, don't need to make everyone suffer. Now if people only USED parental controls.
It'll depends on third party software. Nintendo needs to buy exclusive and/or exclusive content.
Considering many games announced at E3 will come out many months after it's out on the other systems. I don't think move/kinect/wiimote will play a part in it's success. Nintendo is hoping to get the hardcore players back, and to do that they need third parties and exclusives as well as an online system that doesn't suck donkey.
Price WILL play a huge part. If it's over $300, "core" games might not see the point when they already have a system that can satisfy them.
I've said it before but Nintendo NEEDS those players who buy software more than the casual players.
So yes, the WiiU needs achievements, better online, third party exclusives and a competitive price point.
Well that would make sense since aside from Zelda, it seems as though there is literally NO games coming out for Wii. I mean we didn't even hear anything about Xenoblade or Last Story coming to NA at E3.
Did anyone REALLY expect to to not use the same tech as the DS? They probably get it for a sweet deal from the companies that makes the DS/3DS touch screens.
@50 Skotski It's generic on purpose. Think of any of those points. Then think if DSiWare succeeds at providing it. They are my examples, and they don't need to be explained, unless you haven't used DSiWare.
Everything you can possibly do wrong to make a shopping experience good. Price, convenience, information access, speed, quality, selection, and layout/navigation. Nintendo did ALL of that wrong with DSiWare and WiiWare. I'm not mainly talking about software. I'm talking about the DSiWare and WiiWare system as a whole.
This is why I have zero faith in Nintendo doing anything right with online because I've never seen a company do EVERYTHING wrong. Sony and MS have issues yes, but not everything.
He is kind of right. He's just an updated DS. Just like how the Wii could be viewed as two Gamecubes duct taped together. lol
It's not a major leap like the NGP hardware wise, or the PS3, but most systems aren't major leaps.
It's not big deal, but I'm sure, well it's obviously people get mad when comments like this are said, but understand Nintendo has done it themselves. Remember the Ipad comment?
Wii shop is a lost cause. It's just not programmed to do what the 3DS shop will do.
I'm glad they give at least 4 days to promote games. That was my BIGGEST issue with DsiWare and WiiWare. Companies just didn't know when their stuff was getting released and couldn't really hype it up. MAYBE the Sunday. Now companies can at least buy a few web ads on Monday to hype up their game for 4-5 days. Also consumers had no clue, aside from people like us, no one probably knew the shop even existed, let alone the weekly updates. I would prefer a whole week in advance, but it's better then nothing.
I predict a price drop NEXT holiday, not this holiday, though that would be nice.
Battery is also my second biggest issue. I mean if i was suppose to stay at home near the cradle all the time, why didn't they just make it an XL size?
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Re: Talking Point: The Growing Storm of Operation Rainfall
I don't see this as a short term thing. I think this is signs on the Wii U.
Nintendo stated several times that they are all about the core, but right now they are basically laughing at what few core players are left.
The reason why Wii core games never sold overly well as people wanted them to is BECAUSE of Nintendo's marketing. As much as people denied it at the time, Nintendo sold the Wii as a casual system, for kids, moms and old people. While Sony an MS sold their system as hardcore, pretty and deep.
Nintendo, like it or not, did lose a lot of these types of players (players that buy multiple software).
And even was few core games were released on the Wii, they were immediately compared to PS3 and 360, just because that's what these Wii games were trying to be, and obviously they would fail hard because of limited graphics and crap online.
So no, it's not the consumers fault for having Wii core games sell poorly. It's Nintendo's fault for selling their system as essentially a toy and driving away a lot of core gamers.
I see this as a last straw. What few core gamers are left (you can basically count them with the sales of third party core games. 200k-1mil) are sick and tired of garbage. They want support, they want a reason NOT to go to PS3 or 360, and they aren't taking "Buy our next system, everything will be fixed" as an answer.
This makes me wonder if the Wii U will be the system Nintendo wants it to be when it essentially drove away all the players they are selling the system to.
It'll obviously be a success, but with what looks like a rushed release, with what seems to be casual Nintendo games and ports of third party games that'll have been released on other systems months before, an online system that will never been as good as the rest. I don't think it'll sell the way they want it too.
And if there's no core gamers, you can bet third party support will be weak because those companies NEED core players to survive.
Time will tell, but I honestly think NoA and NoJ is being stupid about this. They are underplaying thing when I think it's a much bigger and longer lasting issue.
Re: SEGA, Aksys and Konami All Use Permanent 3DS Save Data Too
Wait... Why would they all do this? Is there some sort of restriction on Nintendo's part about saves? It seems odd.
Re: Super Mario Galaxy Director was Kept in the Dark About Wii U
Sounds like the launch will be better then the 3DS launch. By which I mean worse.
Re: Pachter to Operation Rainfall: "I Agree"
"Pachter, a gaming research analyst for Wedbush Securities, is notorious for his anti-Nintendo comments,"
What? Since when? Ohhhh wait, he comments on Nintendo's market status and makes suggestions on what they should do to keep making oddles of money, and people consider that anti-Nintendo..Riiiiiiight.
That's basically hims saying Nintendo sucks and is doomed to fail.
...Really....
Re: Operation Rainfall Responds to Nintendo's "Never Say Never"
Carrot on a stick comment. They do it often, and it usually means they aren't doing a thing but want to leave it open so you still support them by buying hardware.
I just think people aren't that stupid this time. Well, not everyone.
Maybe they just haven't seen Nintendo do this during many games on the cube, or DS, or earlier in the Wii. lol
Re: Rumour: SEGA Preparing a Third Sonic Storybook Game
I didn't mind black knight. However the thing that killed it. The ONLY thing was the motion controls for the sword swinging. My GOD they couldn't just have the option to press a to swing, not waggle waggle.
Re: NOA: "Never Say Never," But No Plans to Bring Sought-After Wii Games to NA
If people want something, they will get it. Legally or not.
This was pretty stupid on Nintendo of America's part.
Though I did call the carrot on a stick response and attitude by Nintendo. It's more common then you think.
Re: Iwata Tells Shareholders "Core Gamers Will Accept Wii U"
You heard it from the man himself.
Core gamers didn't accept the Wii because of the controls. NOT because of the craptastic software and the most pathetic online system ever.
Yup.... It was only the controls. That's it.
Re: Xenoblade Chronicles Bundle Pack is Beautiful
NoE is doing all this promo for Xenoblade because there's all this flurry of stuff about the game in NoA.
It's all over gaming sites.
NoE is just eating up this free publicity and promoting it while it's going on.
So, effectively, NoE is eating up and taking advantage of NoAs stupidity. Pretty smart really.
It's not like the flurry going on is BAD news about the game, it's good news, just at the expense of NoA and NoA can't do a thing with what NoE does.
Re: Nintendo Download: 30th June 2011 (Europe)
Wait. So NoE is showing what is coming Thursday ahead of time and NoA isn't?
/clap another great one by NoA.
Re: Nintendo 3DS Playable at Vans Warped Tour '11
Only games that have been recently released?
Meh, not interested.
Re: Wii RPG Outrage Floods Official Nintendo Facebook
It's amazing how Nintendo acts as if the Internet doesn't exist and pretends we're stupid and don't know these titles exist. All the while they try and shove move minigames in our systems.
My how NoA has fallen.
Re: Monolith Soft's New Project is Bound for Wii U
Last time I checked, Baten Kaitos 1 was published by Nintendo, and the sequel was published by Namco.
This was before Nintendo bought Monolith Soft and before Reggie took over Nintendo of America.
Just saying.
Re: Monolith Soft's New Project is Bound for Wii U
Awesome. Another game that won't make it to the states.
Re: Xenoblade's North American Release Chances Take a Knock
Lol I should move back to London too.
And are we hearing anything about Last Story? That one seems even LESS likely, GOD NoA has really started sucking when Reggie took over. I mean for gamers, not for Nintendo.
Re: Xenoblade's North American Release Chances Take a Knock
Considering Nintendo of America's track record for Monolith games, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't come over here.
$%&( YOU Reggie!
I remember when he said Disaster Day of Crisis wasn't worth $50 bucks, but then gave us Fling Smash and Wii Play.
$%&^ YOU NoA!
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd June 2011 (North America)
Well that turn crappy sooner then I thought. I wonder how long before we have a month long VC drought like the Wii.
Re: Looks Like There's No Sale on Sonic Games This Week
Oh right, I totally forgot about this negative aspect of Nintendo's digital store. They NEVER has sales.
The Sega one is the only one I'm aware of, and I bet, since they aren't doing it a second time, it was a pain in the rear to do.
Re: Sakurai "In Talks" to Bring Original Kid Icarus to 3DS
Cool I guess, though I honestly didn't find the original Kid Icarus that good, but to each their own. The most software the better.
Re: Fils-Aime: "3DS Didn't Launch Prematurely"
@22 NintyFan Most people did want it out as soon as possible... Until people learned about the browser, shop and launch game line up. At that point most people I recall on forums saying, woah woah, don't rush this.
Re: Fils-Aime: "3DS Didn't Launch Prematurely"
Uhhhh, yes it was premature. It was rushed. Stop laying..... Well you can't, it's your job. lol
Also if by fixing the lack of software, they have a handful of Nintendo IPs but still a barren wasteland of software selection for the summer, then yes, I guess it is fixed.
Also where's the third party support? Some Capcom, some Ubisoft. There isn't much else.
Just to be clear. I don't think the 3DS is a failure, but I sure think it's launch was.
Re: Remember, the Nintendo Download is On Thursdays Now
Well so much for me believing that Nintendo got the concept that releasing a press release BEFORE the content comes out is good for both the consumer and companies that depends on your digital service.
Oh well, I guess this shows how promising their new digital platform will be if they still can't even get the PR for it right.
Re: Sony: Wii U is No Threat, Says "Welcome to 2006, Nintendo"
He has grounds...This time.
The Vita could easily be used as a substitute controller to the PS3 that acts like the WiiU remote. It would actually include more features too, if Sony decided to do that.
Though he said it was a multimedia system when we all know it'll have Netflix and that's it, no DVD/Blueray and I doubt it'll have a music player.
Either way, I'm sure both the lovers and the haters will go nuts with this statement, just like his statements on the Wii.
Re: Review: Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion (3DS)
Just wait for Smash Bros 3DS to come out in 2015. lol
I tried this game, it's not bad, but don't expect Smash Bros, it probably just flat out didn't have the budget of Smash Bros.
Re: Super Mario 3DS Has More Thrills, Less Exploration
The only real games that had a lot of exploration were Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy 1. Every other major Mario game has been pretty much what he's talking about.
Re: Nintendo Not Interested in Producing Free-To-Play Software
The funny thing is, Nintendo has a few IPs that would work really well with a F2P model with an in-game shop.
Animal Crossing comes to mind. Sell the game at retail really low (like $15-19) and have furniture packs to buy in the game.
Don't wanna grind out the Halloween set? Just buy it for $2.
New hair styles, hats and whatever.
Obviously some would have issue with it, but it would work, well.
Re: Nintendo Download: 16th June 2011 (North America)
Is it bad that, to me, the most interesting thing about the 3DS is the VC software?
Re: Regional eShops Will Continue to Offer Different Content
SHOCK! Regions are treated differently! Movies, electronics, music and games all do this.
It's stupid, but I don't think it's going to stop any time soon.
You think with every market being an global market, you would get companies to get their heads together and release things at the same time...Instead, it remains messed up.
Re: Wii U and Its Controller Near Their Final Form Factor
@y2josh Yeah. I also read an IGN article that shows Sega saying the system is coming out in spring.
Maybe we'll see another rush to get the system out for the 2010 financial quarter like the 3DS was for 2009 and half the WiiU features won't be done. lol
Re: Wii U and Its Controller Near Their Final Form Factor
@WolfRamHeart
Yeah, I agree with the pushing thing. Considering the only real game left for Wii is Zelda and that's this winter. What's left after that?
I think the controller will be fine. I assume the joypads were a hardware thing.
1. It's probably cheap since it's probably just the 3DS pads (no need to make new stuff)
2. The depth needed to make a real joypad must have conflicted with their design or something.
As long as it works fine right? Just need some hands on, though where you will be able to do that, who knows. Nintendo has an uphill battle selling the controller like they did with 3DS 3D screens.
Re: Wii U and Its Controller Near Their Final Form Factor
Makes me wonder when in 2012 this system is coming out if the system and console are pretty much done.
I WAS thinking holiday 2012, but I'm starting to think Q1/Q2 now.
Re: Nintendo Taking "Massive Leap" with Wii U's Online Set-Up
@22 They don't need to make a new IP to show off online. Animal Crossing could be THE Nintendo game that shows they are in the times when it comes to online.
We all know it. It's just Nintendo that thinks the same game for over a decade with no improved online features is okay.
That and Pokemon.
Re: Nintendo Taking "Massive Leap" with Wii U's Online Set-Up
Better then PSN and XBLA? I doubt it. In fact I almost guarantee you it won't be as good.
As for protecting kids online, there's this thing no one uses called parental controls. Those controls can have options for online play no?
BAM done, don't need to make everyone suffer.
Now if people only USED parental controls.
Re: Pachter: Wii U is Too Late, 'Dumbest Name Ever'
It'll depends on third party software. Nintendo needs to buy exclusive and/or exclusive content.
Considering many games announced at E3 will come out many months after it's out on the other systems.
I don't think move/kinect/wiimote will play a part in it's success.
Nintendo is hoping to get the hardcore players back, and to do that they need third parties and exclusives as well as an online system that doesn't suck donkey.
Price WILL play a huge part. If it's over $300, "core" games might not see the point when they already have a system that can satisfy them.
I've said it before but Nintendo NEEDS those players who buy software more than the casual players.
So yes, the WiiU needs achievements, better online, third party exclusives and a competitive price point.
Re: First Impressions: Spirit Hunters Inc. Light/Shadow (DSiWare)
Sounds cool. being 3D would've been awesome, but I know this game started way before the 3DS came out.
Re: Iwata: "We've Finally Reached the Digital Sales Starting Line"
AT the starting line. FAR from actually starting, and the competition are already on like lap 7.
Re: SEGA: "Wii U Due in Spring or Summer 2012"
Well that would make sense since aside from Zelda, it seems as though there is literally NO games coming out for Wii.
I mean we didn't even hear anything about Xenoblade or Last Story coming to NA at E3.
Re: Miyamoto: "3DS Could Be a Convenient Wii U Controller"
I doubt the 3DS can even stream the games to it's system in such a constant state.
Right?
Re: Wii U Touch Screen is Resistive, Not Capacitive
Did anyone REALLY expect to to not use the same tech as the DS? They probably get it for a sweet deal from the companies that makes the DS/3DS touch screens.
Re: Nintendo Download: 6th June 2011 (North America)
Make the old look like crap so the new look amazing, even if the new isn't that great.
Re: Talking Point: Where Nintendo Went Wrong with the DSi Shop
@50 Skotski
It's generic on purpose. Think of any of those points. Then think if DSiWare succeeds at providing it.
They are my examples, and they don't need to be explained, unless you haven't used DSiWare.
Re: Talking Point: Where Nintendo Went Wrong with the DSi Shop
Everything you can possibly do wrong to make a shopping experience good. Price, convenience, information access, speed, quality, selection, and layout/navigation. Nintendo did ALL of that wrong with DSiWare and WiiWare.
I'm not mainly talking about software. I'm talking about the DSiWare and WiiWare system as a whole.
This is why I have zero faith in Nintendo doing anything right with online because I've never seen a company do EVERYTHING wrong. Sony and MS have issues yes, but not everything.
Re: Talking Point: Where Nintendo Went Wrong with the DSi Shop
What Nintendo did wrong with the DSiShop?
One word.
Everything.
Re: More Details on Pokedex 3D Come into Focus
Hope you can use 3DS coins or whatever instead of spot pass. Not everyone has the luxury of being in a place with more than one 3DS lol
Re: Sony President Thinks 3DS is Just an Updated DS
He is kind of right. He's just an updated DS. Just like how the Wii could be viewed as two Gamecubes duct taped together. lol
It's not a major leap like the NGP hardware wise, or the PS3, but most systems aren't major leaps.
It's not big deal, but I'm sure, well it's obviously people get mad when comments like this are said, but understand Nintendo has done it themselves. Remember the Ipad comment?
Re: 3DS Users Will Soon Have 25,000 Hotspots to Connect To
Pffft Canada get's next to no wifi hotspots because our Internet rates are so bad. I mean SOME Mcdonalds JUST got wifi hotspots in Canada.
Re: North America, These eShop Games Await You Next Week
Yeah no kidding Mickeymac. lol I won't deny that I was expecting $5 for Gameboy games.
It seems the Nintendo made ones will be $3.99. Some of the other launch ones are $2.99 which I find more reasonable.
But yeah, it's lower then I thought it would've been. Maybe Nintendo IS learning some lessons with their online structure.
Re: eShop Games Start from $1.99 and Other Interesting Information
Wii shop is a lost cause. It's just not programmed to do what the 3DS shop will do.
I'm glad they give at least 4 days to promote games. That was my BIGGEST issue with DsiWare and WiiWare. Companies just didn't know when their stuff was getting released and couldn't really hype it up. MAYBE the Sunday. Now companies can at least buy a few web ads on Monday to hype up their game for 4-5 days.
Also consumers had no clue, aside from people like us, no one probably knew the shop even existed, let alone the weekly updates.
I would prefer a whole week in advance, but it's better then nothing.
Re: North America, These eShop Games Await You Next Week
Hmm...What about demos?
3.99 for a Gameboy game? You think that's worth it? I was hoping for 2-3 personally.
Makes me think GBC will be 5-6 and GBA will be 8-10 or more.
Can you download in the background? Or do you have to stare at the annoying water filling animation of the DSi?
There's still a lot of questions that need to be answered.
Re: Japanese Gamers Put Off by High Price of 3DS
I predict a price drop NEXT holiday, not this holiday, though that would be nice.
Battery is also my second biggest issue. I mean if i was suppose to stay at home near the cradle all the time, why didn't they just make it an XL size?