@Bassman_Q thanks, I think I will wait on getting the first then. If I really enjoy the sequel (which beong a hige Star Fox fan I think I will) then I will pick up the first
Why do developers/publishers devalue their work so much on smart devices? I get that most smart phone users won't buy "expensive" games (generally anything over $5) but then how is it worth it? Do you really make that much money off selling it for so cheap on those devices? (I know this isn't as bad, so take this as more of a general statement)
@Captain-Falcon I would rather get ondies on console. I find consoles indies are normally a better experience than on PC. I just hate how indies will be a part of a humble bundle before they release their game on all target platforms. Because of that I get their games for super cheap and aren't really supporting them. If they waited to do Humble Bundles until after they release on all target platforns then they would catch me twice, once on console and once on Humble Bundle
I will probably stick with the eShop version, if I get it on Wii U. Might already have it on PC thanks to a humble bundle... humble bundle making it harder to support "indies" on console
I think I would be more interested if the Wii U version came with a free download code for the 3DS version, pretty sure it is the same portal for both systems. Not that I would buy it but I would be more interested. I am already doing Disney Infinity and Amiibo when that happens.
I completely agree, I didn't watch IGN or Kotaku, I watched some other stuff and from what I saw, Press didn't pay too much attention to Nintendo because they didn't get as much "Special Treatment" I found it strange.
I find Nintendo's plan is to target their audience, instead of press. Which works and hurts at the same time. With Nintendo themselves targeting theaudience, press feels left out. I saw it happen at E3, where press would report on Sony and Microsoft's Conferences and when it came to Nintendo they were like, well you all saw it so we don't need to report about it. (Thank you NintendoLife for not doing that) A lot of press, from what I have seen, get upset if they aren't told first or given special treatment over "normal gamers"
@Squiggle55 I have agreed that if you did not do research about the game before purchasing you might feel ripped off. The developer has stated his plan to add content as the game sells more. Just because Nintendo doesn't have a Early Access program doesn't mean it can't have games like this. Maybe it shouldn't but it is a little late for that now. The point is NL is using a game that is known for not being complete as an example for bad games on the eShop. There are other examples, so why use a game that is "unfinished"
@Squiggle55 I do not have a problem with what the developer is doing just like I don't have a problem with Steam's Early Access program. If you think that because they are asking people to pay that it should be compared to fully finished games then shouldn't most Kickstarter game receive a 0/10 as most do not give the players anything right away for backing? It is the same concept only you get the game right away and get to experience how the game will change throughout the development process. If you don't like The Letter, then that is your opinion and I will not try to change that. I just think it is unfair for Nintendo Life to be using it as an example of how terrible the eShop is/has become when the game isn't finished and the developer is pretty vocal about adding more content.
@daveh30 I said how some could say it is "finished" and by certain standards it could be considered "finished" in my opinion it is not finished. The developer is still adding content. So the game is not finished in my opinion. But I can see where it could be "finished" by other standards, just not mine.
@daveh30 I can see how it made it through, even without the updates you can call it a "finished" game. It starts and functions properly to the end. It is the developer himself who has been talking about the updates, Nintendo is not in charge of the updates. So if you bought it without research then sure you might be upset. I don't understand how The Letter can be used as an example of what is wrong with the eShop as the developer has said what is released is not the final game. I call that unfinished, others call it what they want but that is the gist of it
I am not saying it is one guy so cut him slack. I am not even saying The Letter is good. What I am saying is the game is Unfinished. The developer is taking the money he makes off it to add more content. In the Miiverse message above, the developer could mean that the game is finished in the sense that you don't get to a point where the game stops but the story doesn't have an ending, I do not know I would ask the developer for clarification. If your example of the eShop goingdown hill is a game that is being built using the money it makes from selling the game then I think that is unfair. I have never heard of another console game that has ever done a similar strategy. From the preview of the first update there is already a lot of content being added. These patches are not to fix bugs but to continue to build the game. So if The Letter is your example of the eShop going downhill I have to disagree as PSN and Xbox Live haven't tried this, and even Steam Early Access hasn't tried it to this extreme (as far as I know). I am interested to see what the "final" product is.
@midnafanboy The developer has been pretty open and honest about this being a way for them to raise money to fund the project. They made what they could with what they had and will put the money they make from selling it into updates and free DLC that will ultimately finish the game
I think it is unfair to judge a unfinished product. It doesn't matter if it is asking for money (Kickstarters and Early Access games do that too) it doesn't matter if you didn't know, the game is unfinished.
@DiscoGentleman I am not saying it is a good game just unfinished. What if every reviewer got their copy of SimCity, couldn't sign in because of server issues and gamethe game a 0/10? That wouldn't have been fair. I was surprised to see NL even review The Letter as it isn't finished. Personally if a game has announced DLC before the game's release than the game isn't finished until the DLC is out whether or not the DLC is free. I understand others disagree but this time the developer is telling you the game isn't finished
I get people are upset that they paid money for The Letter and feel ripped off but it is unfinished. Just like Steam Earlier Access games only on Wii U, which doesn't technically have that feature. From a consumer point of view, sure one could argue the point but this should be from Nintendo Life's point of view and they should understand the game isn't finished. So using a unfinished title to justify that the eShop is allowing too many developers in is unfair. Plus everyone complained that Nintendo was too stricted, they let some questionable content through and now Nintendo is too easy. What do you people want? At least it isn't a App Store where they let anyone in.
Haven't read all of it but The Letter isn't finished, the developer is very vocal about that. Sure someone who doesn't pay attention might buy it expecting a finished game but game media should know. Also The Letter is less buggy than much of what EA releases as full $60 retail games. I understand the concern is real with the eShop "lowing standards" but I don't think it is fair to use The LLetter as an example of this until the developer finishes the game
From the sounds of it this is basically a different type of kickstarter. Release a rough base game then make improvements and additions from the income. I have been talking to the dev and will probably support him ($2 isn't bad to help someone realize their dream)
I think EA is too focused on "install bases" just because there are Millions of Smart Phone users doesn't mean 100% of them are potential customers. With 3DS/Vita 100% of their install base is buying games for more than a dollar. The only Big Publisher games I have ever had on my phone were free. They made no money off me. So I don't see how they will make much more on Smart Devices than Gaming Devices... just my opinion
@SuperMikey I really enjoyed it but I remeber on 360 it having a track editor that you could share levels online. It doesn't seem to be in this version which makes me wonder if it will be worth it. The demo was fun but I have played all these levels before.
If you have the DSi version is the Wii U version still worth it? I liked the DSi version but only played through it once because there wasn't much depth in the gameplay
It is to bad this didn't work out for them but they should go back to the 3DS version. It was weird that they announced tge 3DS game then cancelled it and then did a kickstarter without 3DS just to add 3DS to the kickstarter later...
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Re: Alphadia Genesis Set to Begin at the Beginning in North America
I am not a big JRPG guy, but this looks interesting
Re: Thorium Wars: Attack of the Skyfighter Takes Flight on 3DS eShop on 28th August
@Bassman_Q
thanks, I think I will wait on getting the first then. If I really enjoy the sequel (which beong a hige Star Fox fan I think I will) then I will pick up the first
Re: Thorium Wars: Attack of the Skyfighter Takes Flight on 3DS eShop on 28th August
@Prof_Clayton
Have you played the first? Is it still a worth wile experience?
Re: Thorium Wars: Attack of the Skyfighter Takes Flight on 3DS eShop on 28th August
Do you think playing the first will be important for this one?
Re: Feature: Watch The Pokémon World Championships - Live!
Is it over?
Re: Review: Xtreme Sports (3DS eShop / Game Boy Color)
I wonder when this will be coming to the US?
Re: New Project CARS Screenshots Race Into View
Not a big fan of realistic racers but this has peaked my interest
Re: Video: The Demon Legion Look Fiendish In This New Swords & Soldiers 2 Walkthrough
It looks like they are using buttons... will there still be touch screen controls?
Re: Nintendo Download: 14th August (Europe)
If this sale comes to NA I will probably pick up a few
Re: Capcom Releases Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies on iOS, at a Lower Price
Why do developers/publishers devalue their work so much on smart devices? I get that most smart phone users won't buy "expensive" games (generally anything over $5) but then how is it worth it? Do you really make that much money off selling it for so cheap on those devices? (I know this isn't as bad, so take this as more of a general statement)
Re: Renegade Kid Announces Metroidvania Game Xeodrifter for 3DS eShop
So how long until the announce the Wii U version with more content?
Re: WayForward Bringing GBC Classic Xtreme Sports to 3DS Virtual Console
Cool
Re: Poll: Is Online Co-Op a Major Miss in Hyrule Warriors, or is Local Multiplayer Enough?
I don't think I would take advantage of the online Co-op anyways. If I was going to play online with friends it would be Smash lol
Re: Rain Games' Upcoming Wii U eShop Title Teslagrad Will Also Be Released In-Store
@Captain-Falcon
I would rather get ondies on console. I find consoles indies are normally a better experience than on PC. I just hate how indies will be a part of a humble bundle before they release their game on all target platforms. Because of that I get their games for super cheap and aren't really supporting them. If they waited to do Humble Bundles until after they release on all target platforns then they would catch me twice, once on console and once on Humble Bundle
Re: Rain Games' Upcoming Wii U eShop Title Teslagrad Will Also Be Released In-Store
I will probably stick with the eShop version, if I get it on Wii U. Might already have it on PC thanks to a humble bundle... humble bundle making it harder to support "indies" on console
Re: Ocarina Of Time Began Life As A Remake Of Zelda II: The Adventure Of Link
I always heard OoT was a failed attempt to remake A Link to the Past
Re: Feature: Where Are The Super Nintendo 3D Classics?
I wasn't a big fan of the NES 3D classics but anything Star Fox I will purchase day 1
Re: Twitch is Going to Play Pokémon X on a Modded 3DS
this is not going to end well
Re: Skylanders Trap Team on Wii Will, Surprisingly, Come With a Free Download Code for the Wii U Version
I think I would be more interested if the Wii U version came with a free download code for the 3DS version, pretty sure it is the same portal for both systems. Not that I would buy it but I would be more interested. I am already doing Disney Infinity and Amiibo when that happens.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Continues to Evolve Its Hype Machine
@Unca_Lz
I completely agree, I didn't watch IGN or Kotaku, I watched some other stuff and from what I saw, Press didn't pay too much attention to Nintendo because they didn't get as much "Special Treatment" I found it strange.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Continues to Evolve Its Hype Machine
I find Nintendo's plan is to target their audience, instead of press. Which works and hurts at the same time. With Nintendo themselves targeting theaudience, press feels left out. I saw it happen at E3, where press would report on Sony and Microsoft's Conferences and when it came to Nintendo they were like, well you all saw it so we don't need to report about it. (Thank you NintendoLife for not doing that) A lot of press, from what I have seen, get upset if they aren't told first or given special treatment over "normal gamers"
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
@Squiggle55
I have agreed that if you did not do research about the game before purchasing you might feel ripped off. The developer has stated his plan to add content as the game sells more. Just because Nintendo doesn't have a Early Access program doesn't mean it can't have games like this. Maybe it shouldn't but it is a little late for that now. The point is NL is using a game that is known for not being complete as an example for bad games on the eShop. There are other examples, so why use a game that is "unfinished"
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
@Squiggle55
I do not have a problem with what the developer is doing just like I don't have a problem with Steam's Early Access program. If you think that because they are asking people to pay that it should be compared to fully finished games then shouldn't most Kickstarter game receive a 0/10 as most do not give the players anything right away for backing? It is the same concept only you get the game right away and get to experience how the game will change throughout the development process. If you don't like The Letter, then that is your opinion and I will not try to change that. I just think it is unfair for Nintendo Life to be using it as an example of how terrible the eShop is/has become when the game isn't finished and the developer is pretty vocal about adding more content.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
@daveh30
I said how some could say it is "finished" and by certain standards it could be considered "finished" in my opinion it is not finished. The developer is still adding content. So the game is not finished in my opinion. But I can see where it could be "finished" by other standards, just not mine.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
@DiscoGentleman
No one has changed my mind and I express why.
@midnafanboy
I just don't think it is fair judgement.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
@daveh30
I can see how it made it through, even without the updates you can call it a "finished" game. It starts and functions properly to the end. It is the developer himself who has been talking about the updates, Nintendo is not in charge of the updates. So if you bought it without research then sure you might be upset. I don't understand how The Letter can be used as an example of what is wrong with the eShop as the developer has said what is released is not the final game. I call that unfinished, others call it what they want but that is the gist of it
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
I am not saying it is one guy so cut him slack. I am not even saying The Letter is good. What I am saying is the game is Unfinished. The developer is taking the money he makes off it to add more content. In the Miiverse message above, the developer could mean that the game is finished in the sense that you don't get to a point where the game stops but the story doesn't have an ending, I do not know I would ask the developer for clarification. If your example of the eShop goingdown hill is a game that is being built using the money it makes from selling the game then I think that is unfair. I have never heard of another console game that has ever done a similar strategy. From the preview of the first update there is already a lot of content being added. These patches are not to fix bugs but to continue to build the game. So if The Letter is your example of the eShop going downhill I have to disagree as PSN and Xbox Live haven't tried this, and even Steam Early Access hasn't tried it to this extreme (as far as I know). I am interested to see what the "final" product is.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
@daveh30
That Is weird because the developer has stated how they are using the money they make from selling The Letter to finish it.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
@midnafanboy
The developer has been pretty open and honest about this being a way for them to raise money to fund the project. They made what they could with what they had and will put the money they make from selling it into updates and free DLC that will ultimately finish the game
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
I think it is unfair to judge a unfinished product. It doesn't matter if it is asking for money (Kickstarters and Early Access games do that too) it doesn't matter if you didn't know, the game is unfinished.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
@DiscoGentleman
I am not saying it is a good game just unfinished. What if every reviewer got their copy of SimCity, couldn't sign in because of server issues and gamethe game a 0/10? That wouldn't have been fair. I was surprised to see NL even review The Letter as it isn't finished. Personally if a game has announced DLC before the game's release than the game isn't finished until the DLC is out whether or not the DLC is free. I understand others disagree but this time the developer is telling you the game isn't finished
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
I get people are upset that they paid money for The Letter and feel ripped off but it is unfinished. Just like Steam Earlier Access games only on Wii U, which doesn't technically have that feature. From a consumer point of view, sure one could argue the point but this should be from Nintendo Life's point of view and they should understand the game isn't finished. So using a unfinished title to justify that the eShop is allowing too many developers in is unfair. Plus everyone complained that Nintendo was too stricted, they let some questionable content through and now Nintendo is too easy. What do you people want? At least it isn't a App Store where they let anyone in.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U eShop is Raising Tough Questions on Quality Control
Haven't read all of it but The Letter isn't finished, the developer is very vocal about that. Sure someone who doesn't pay attention might buy it expecting a finished game but game media should know. Also The Letter is less buggy than much of what EA releases as full $60 retail games. I understand the concern is real with the eShop "lowing standards" but I don't think it is fair to use The LLetter as an example of this until the developer finishes the game
Re: Review: The Letter (Wii U eShop)
From the sounds of it this is basically a different type of kickstarter. Release a rough base game then make improvements and additions from the income. I have been talking to the dev and will probably support him ($2 isn't bad to help someone realize their dream)
Re: Nintendo Download: 17th July (North America)
No Pokemon Trading Card Game... hopefully next week
Re: EA Explains Why It's Abandoning Dedicated Handhelds For Smartphones And Tablets
I think EA is too focused on "install bases" just because there are Millions of Smart Phone users doesn't mean 100% of them are potential customers. With 3DS/Vita 100% of their install base is buying games for more than a dollar. The only Big Publisher games I have ever had on my phone were free. They made no money off me. So I don't see how they will make much more on Smart Devices than Gaming Devices... just my opinion
Re: Review: Toy Stunt Bike (3DS eShop)
@SuperMikey
I really enjoyed it but I remeber on 360 it having a track editor that you could share levels online. It doesn't seem to be in this version which makes me wonder if it will be worth it. The demo was fun but I have played all these levels before.
Re: Review: Toy Stunt Bike (3DS eShop)
I owned this on my 360, back when I had a 360. Is it worth a double dip?
Re: Nintendo Download: 26th June (Europe)
I wonder if Wii Sports Club will also get some HD Resort games or if it is done
Re: E3 2014: Ubisoft Admits to Holding Back Completed Wii U Game Until Sales Improve
Ghost Recon Phantoms probably, I don't think they ever "cancelled" it for Wii U just delayed it
Re: Nintendo Download: 5th June (North America)
I wonder what is causing the Wii U discount of 1001 Spikes, especially since it didn't say discount on it anywhere lol
Re: Nintendo Download: 5th June (North America)
@AJTsuki
I only hear about that discount for the 3DS version, not the Wii U vversion
Re: Nintendo Download: 5th June (North America)
I got 1001 Spikes earlier this week on Wii U for $10.01 not sure if it is because of a launch day discount or what
Re: Star Fox's Iconic Blue-Marine Is Descending To Steel Diver: Sub Wars
To get the Blue Marine you have to have the Premium version then go into the Ship Shop and download the Blue Marine for free
Re: Infinity Ward Merges With Neversoft To Form Super Studio, Retains Infinity Ward Name
I wonder how this is going to affect some of my friends
Re: Review: Abyss (Wii U eShop)
If you have the DSi version is the Wii U version still worth it? I liked the DSi version but only played through it once because there wasn't much depth in the gameplay
Re: Cult County Kickstarter Ends Without Success, Developer "Discussing Other Options"
It is to bad this didn't work out for them but they should go back to the 3DS version. It was weird that they announced tge 3DS game then cancelled it and then did a kickstarter without 3DS just to add 3DS to the kickstarter later...
Re: Spike Chunsoft Wants To Release 3DS Title Attack On Titan In North America
I would buy it, even if it is digital only
Re: Pokémon X & Y Happy Meal Toys Heading to North America
@NavySpheal
I really wish these worked with Pokemon Rumble U, that would be awesome (plus I can't find any Rumble U figures for less than $30 each)
Re: Pokémon X & Y Happy Meal Toys Heading to North America
I am going to gain so much weight... so much more weight