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Satoru Iwata: Customers Understanding The Wii U "Will Take a Little Time"

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

"We aim to leave a smile on our customer's faces"

With a New Year and Nintendo's upcoming announcement of its Q3 financial results, Satoru Iwata and his team have plenty to think about. 2013 will be an important year to continue momentum on 3DS with big releases, and more importantly to grow the Wii U audience as much as possible.

Speaking to Japanese newspaper Nikkei — translated on NeoGaf — Satoru Iwata spoke of a patient, calm approach from the company, while admitting that spreading the message about Wii U and helping consumers understand the concept will take time. In terms of the GamePad, the core innovation of the system, he spoke about how the company was working on the concept before the iPad arrived on the scene, while also sneaking in a line to suggest that the load times on the system are indeed in line for improvement.

Setting aside the satisfaction some purchasers have with start-up and software change speeds, which we will improve, speaking only of the 2-screens, people find that they enjoy the Gamepad more than they thought when they actually hold it themselves. People realize the importance and benefits of having a personal screen that works in conjunction with the TV the more they use it, slowly, but that doesn't transfer to people who have yet to use the system.

...We began talking about having another screen being a good idea around 2008. We thought thoroughly about our other options, but in the end, this was the idea which was the most logical for us. So, in 2009, just as we began to press forward with this idea, sure that we were on the right track, this thing called an 'Ipad' came into the world.

Some of the most detailed quotes attributed to Iwata focus on Miiverse, with the Nintendo President again emphasizing the importance of empathy and giving Nintendo gamers more social interaction with each other.

The outlook for Nintendo fans on social networking services such as Twitter is worsening. If we look into it, the people who used to post about Nintendo are satisfied with Miiverse and have stopped posting online as much.

When we first spoke about Miiverse, we were told that trying to make a social network now was a fool's errand. We were asked by many people why we weren't simply connecting up with Twitter or Facebook. But, what we thought would be good about the service has largely come true and, as of right now, our customers are really enjoying it. The networks of people on Facebook and Twitter aren't all people you are playing games with, right? From my viewpoint, I don't use Twitter or Facebook [privately] but if I were to, it would be about things like 'Hey, wanna go for a drink?' 'Wanna go on a trip?' 'Why don't we have a class reunion?', and so on, it wouldn't be just about the people who I am playing games with. Because I couldn't tell my high school buddies that I had got a high score in Mario Kart. (Laughs)

We, Nintendo, have always thought this, but games shouldn't just be about the time you spend with a console, but also telling people that you passed something, or that you found a neat trick is interesting. If I were to put a name on it, it would be empathy.

Mr. [Shigeru] Miyamoto has been talking about this concept for years, the reason that the games that he makes are popular around the world is that they have that meta-shared experience between players. Mr. Miyamoto likes making you feel that, and giving you the ability to feel that. It was at a time thinking about that that we received the original idea for Miiverse. Like 'Ah, this is an empathy network.'

So, with 'empathy' as a theme, we created Miiverse to make games played alone not a lonely experience, but one that you could experience with many people. In order to make that a reality, we had to integrate it into our platform, and support it as a unified service.

This could be interpreted as a recognition, partially, of the well-worn reality of Nintendo gamers being perceived as playing "kiddie" games, such as a shyness about making Mario Kart boasts on an open network. Or perhaps we're reading too much into that...

The general focus in the introduction and conclusion was that neither Satoru Iwata nor the company as a whole is panicked or obsessed by the upcoming financial results; the long-term picture still seems to be the priority. Nintendo shares did drop after the Wii U launch, though the recent North American sales results prompted a share price increase of over 5%. For Satoru Iwata, however, the goals of making gamers happy are directly tied to the company's business fate.

We aim to leave a smile on our customer's faces, no matter whether it's the game being interesting, a parent and child talking about gaming, or a grandfather being able to remain cheerful. Because it's worth doing, our staff can smile too. If our performance rises, so too our investors smile. If this chain is successful, Nintendo can be something worth keeping and continuing, and we can fulfill our responsibility to society.

[via neogaf.com, gonintendo.com]

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User Comments (55)

Hokori

#1

Hokori said:

Agreed, this and the 3DS need time (even though Japan has it right with the 3DS ATM)

NintyMan

#3

NintyMan said:

The Wii U will just have to be like the 3DS and have more games in the future to really shine. The 3DS lineup looks very strong this year, but the Wii U only has a few big titles coming for it and leaves a big question mark for this fall. The other half will be revealed in due time.

datamonkey

#4

datamonkey said:

"Understanding The Wii U "Will Take a Little Time"

Yes and understanding the Wii U retail download prices is gonna take me a lot longer!

Aviator

#5

Aviator said:

"we created Miiverse to make games played alone not a lonely experience, but one that you could experience with many people"
So rather than a robust online experience, you create a sense of a non-lonely experience. I'm sorry but knowing other people play the games I play does nothing for me.

idork99

#6

idork99 said:

I've yet to purchase a Wii U at the moment but every comment thread I read, it seems, no one can stop praising Miiverse enough. It's like it has become the star app of the system thus far. I have no doubt that the Wii U is a fun system that is only going to get better with time as the library grows. Also, when is Nintendo going to release Miiverse for 3DS? When/if they do, I hope it's identical or very similar to the Wii U version.

Hyrule

#10

Hyrule said:

Adverts adverts and more adverts. In the UK, I see adverts for Xbox & PS3 in all the right places, Cinema, Billboards, Pizza boxes, after popular shows such as Homeland. Nintendo's advertising could do with a major shake-up in the UK imo.

Sean_Aaron

#11

Sean_Aaron said:

You definitely need to take a long view sometimes if you're serious about your business direction. The initial sales are a good sign, but people shouldn't be so impatient and that includes Nintendo. It's nice to see the people running things are taking things serious. For some of the fans I think it's a bit strange only a couple of months in to be asking hard questions as if perhaps the Wii U is something the company could casually dump at short notice.

Clearly Nintendo doesn't view the Wii U as some kind of stop-gap so fence-sitters shouldn't assume Nintendo has anything else up their sleeve. Just wait for a title you really want or sit this one out. I think it's a great machine myself; just be a little wait before we start seeing the software floodgates open.

I also think Miiverse is brilliant for the community aspect. Not having to search the web for hints will be a big help for my daughter if she gets stuck with a game.

Mahe

#12

Mahe said:

I understand the Wii U just fine. It's just not as good as the Wii, not with these games. They need to get better games out there, otherwise it will always be outmatched by the Wii.

cornishlee

#13

cornishlee said:

I must be one of the few people that bought a Wii U without being that impressed by the gamepad idea (for one thing I've never played a DS/3DS and struggled with the concept of two screens at once - I still do to an extent) and without buying any games for it yet (I don't count Nintendoland). It has really won me over though, and so has Miiverse which I like the look of but don't post in much due to a) not knowing anyone else with a Wii U and b) not having any retail games yet. That, too, is coming from someone that, like Iwata, does not use Facebook or Twitter.

@Sean_Aaron Agreed.

Mahe

#15

Mahe said:

@cornishlee No. The Wii launch was awesome, with a lot of interesting games in the pipeline as well. The Wii U launch was meh, and there's barely any information of upcoming games. Wii at launch beats Wii U at launch, that's the point.

SKTTR

#16

SKTTR said:

I would smile even more if other Wii U problems are adressed and updated (like Virtual Console and WiiWare inclusion).

And Miiverse could be more up-to-date: Europe has games like 007 Legends, Marvel Avengers: Battle for Earth, and now Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge that still have no Miiverse community here.
Also, I'd like a function to sort the Miiverse communities (like swapping channels in the main menu) It doesn't feel right to have Rise of the Guardians and NBA 2K13 on top.

cornishlee

#17

cornishlee said:

@Mahe
The launch titles do lack the Nintendo big name franchises, but I think it beats the Wii in terms of range and overall quality. I accept it's all a matter of personal opinion though and that those lucky enough to own more than one console may already own some of the better Wii U launch titles on another system.

Wii U, 54 titles, including:
Assassin’s Creed III
Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition
Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Darksiders II
Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
EA Sports FIFA Soccer 13
Madden NFL 13
NBA 2K13
New Super Mario Bros. U
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Nintendo Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Skylanders Giants
Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition
Trine 2: Director's Cut
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013
ZombiU
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Game & Wario
LEGO City Undercover
Marvel's The Avengers: Battle for Earth
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Pikmin 3
Rayman Legends
The Wonderful 101
Wii Fit U

Wii, 16 titles:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
2. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
3. Wii Sports
4. Red Steel
5. Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
6. Madden NFL 2007
7. Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
8. Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
9. Metal Slug Anthology
10. Trauma Center: Second Opinion
11. Elebits
12. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
13. Blitz: The League
14. Rayman Raving Rabbids
15. SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
16. Disney/Pixar's Cars

EvilLucario

#18

EvilLucario said:

Bah. In this economy, buying more than four games along with your Wii U is a certain death for your wallet. Plus, you can't expect to play through your games very quickly without missing out on a good experience.

Think about this: if you're at a restaurant and order a dessert at the end, would you rather go through it quickly and rush on to order another one, or take your time and enjoy just that dessert to the fullest?

It's the same logic to games, especially now. People need to start cracking down on their backloggery. After all, they did pay for the games they bought, so they should at least try to finish the game. The games coming out can wait; in the meantime, calm down and play some games. :P

real_gamer

#19

real_gamer said:

Let us not forget that the Wii U is able to (I believe) to use two game pads at once. I remember a article about it and I think Nintendo said the WiiU will be able to support two gamepads (I could be wrong) and Nintendo is looking into the concept of the WiiU/3DS connectivity so I think the long term in their eyes have alot more to come with big plans.

Sean_Aaron

#22

Sean_Aaron said:

I also would like some means of sorting Miiverse communities. It's nice I can have favourites, but doesn't seem to have much use since I don't see a way to filter based upon whether a community is a favourite or not. I expect that will be in a future update.

Regarding software I have time to explore what's there and with at least three retail games of interest I cannot afford just yet I expect I'll be buying Wii U games on a monthly basis for quite some time...

Mahe

#23

Mahe said:

@cornishlee Your list needs serious fact checking. Did you just pull those out of some random website?

@ThatTrueEvil I'm doing just that, playing Wii and other old games in my backlog. But it wasn't like that at the Wii launch, because there were so many good games to play.

LittleIrves

#25

LittleIrves said:

Is there any other major company President/CEO like Iwata? The hounds are at his heels, and he keeps talking about empathy and smiling faces.

This is a compliment, by the way. Fans/investors are all so reactionary. If Nintendo had thrown in the towel after the 3DS launch, they wouldn't be outselling all hardware combined (in Japan at least). Give Wii U the next year and we'll see what happens.

So far I'm loving the system. Miiverse is a constant wonder, and NLand is seriously underappreciated. Even a throwaway like Tank!x3 is surprisingly addictive. And Little Inferno, and oh yeah, NSMBU... what's the problem again?

gavn64

#27

gavn64 said:

be patient everyone launch systems take time to catch up on the decent software side.

Windy

#28

Windy said:

Be Patient everyone? This is exactly what they said about the Wii. The Wii never did take off, to many good titles far and few between. I am having deja vu. My patience is thin in regards to the 3DS it's 2 years old and should be hitting on full cylinders but its not. I love my Nintendo systems and have dedicated myself to them only.(they are all I play anymore) but this be patient Circus for the last 5 years is wearing thin. Seriously how hard is it to load up the VC with good classic games. it cant be hard yet they hold off. They already make a ton of money and could be making even more. are they just stupid? Classic 3d titles should be flying out of the woodwork. I know a dedicated online gaming service takes time and Multiplayer online gaming takes time but your way behind Nintendo and need to take these things a little more serious. It's been to long to come out with another have patience statement!

rjejr

#29

rjejr said:

So, they've been working on the "pad" concept since 2008 or 2009 yet they still don't have a game that blows everybody away. No Mario, Zelda or Metroid. Heck they can't even get Pikmin 3 a release date.

And they shouldn't worry about the load times, I doubt there are a lot of people holding off on buying a Wii U until they fix the load times.

Seriously, if you work in the Wii U marketing dept. what are you "marketing" right now - "buy a Wii U and see if you can figure it out" "buy a Wii U and someday we'll announce you want" "buy a Wii U and play bad ports of games that came out on other systems a year ago". Marketing the Wii U must be like marketing the NY Jets. Gamepad, meet Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow, Gamepad.

EvilLucario

#30

EvilLucario said:

@Mahe Opinions are opinions, but what do you see in the Wii's launch that I don't? The only games from the launch list worth buying there was Metal Slug Anthology and Twilight Princess. Compare that to the Wii U, where I see Nintendo Land, NSMBU, Sonic & AllStars Racing Transformed, ZombiU, Darksiders II... the list goes on. Or are you also counting Virtual Console games?

@Gamesake Dessert can be anything. :P

Mahe

#31

Mahe said:

@ThatTrueEvil That launch listing was simply faulty. Either list all "launch window" games for both consoles or strictly just launch.

Regarding the Wii U games you mentioned: Nintendoland sucks, Darksiders II is a port of an old game, Sonic Racing is also a port (might be good, but I could also play it elsewhere), Zombi U doesn't personally interest me, and while NSMBU is good, we just had NSMB2 on 3DS a couple of months ago.

Now, for the Wii, we've got that Zelda and Metal Slug that you mentioned, but also Wii Sports (game of the generation), Rayman Raving Rabbids (real fun), Trauma Center, Excite Truck (super!), and that's not even counting Virtual Console. I'm not interested in HD ports, so that discounts a lot of Wii U's offerings for me.

cornishlee

#32

cornishlee said:

@Mahe
I didn't list all games because there were to many for a simple post like this as it was (I'm sure plenty of people must have gotten annoyed with scrolling past that). For reference, all the games listed up to ZombiU were day one releases (at least in US, in UK we had to wait for titles like Gaiden and NBA 2K, for some reason).

As I, and ThatTrueEvil said though, it's all a matter of opinion as to which list is better.

Mahe

#34

Mahe said:

@cornishlee Certainly, the matter of which launch selection is better is a matter of opinion and personal situation, but judging from Wii U's lacklustre sales and poor attach rate compared to Wii's, a lot of people share my opinion.

Capt_N

#35

Capt_N said:

On the one hand, I take it as an insult, since it's coming straight from the (head of the co.) maker of the game. On the other, I take it as honest admittance. That Mario Kart remark. Making/Giving a game have mature theme(s) does not make it a necessity to include gratuitous violence/sex/etc. into any game. Games can (generally w/o issues) touch on topics of violence/sex/etc. w/o throwing it in one's face. But that's another story. This particular remark, I take the same (possible position) as the article - admittance (by Nintendo,) that Nintendo is perceived as "kiddy".

Whilst I understand some wanting a boatload of games to play, & of course, as a gamer (myself), I totally understand more games can equal more diverse games for different gamers' tastes, & such, I can be satisfied by a few(read: 3-5) quality games per year.

ecco6t9

#36

ecco6t9 said:

It seems that those outside the company want 100 million sold day 1, want every franchise out day 1, and want new announcements day 2 and those new things out next month.

Sean_Aaron

#37

Sean_Aaron said:

The Wii launch line-up was pants by comparison, let's face it. I mean other than Wii Sports and Zelda there wasn't much happening there and neither one of those was a system seller in my book. But clearly my book is wrong because Wii Sports did sell that thing.

We all have different preferences. I enjoy Nintendo Land. It's the sole retail game I have, just because I cannot presently afford to splash out on software. I also don't find a lot of the games on other platforms that interesting generally, so having Assassins Creed III or Call of Duty on Wii U means nothing to me. Nevertheless I wouldn't say something ridiculous like "the Wii U launch lineup sucks" just because there's only one or two games in it that I want.

I'm feeling a distinct lack of perspective amongst the people saying Nintendo aren't doing enough...

ultraraichu

#38

ultraraichu said:

I was patient when I got my 3ds first month it was released and that paid off well, so I'm patient with my Wii U. My current games will last a good long while, my Orochi Warriors 3 Hyper can vouch for that.

Iwata pretty much hit the nail on the head with me when it came down to twitter and facebook which I dont use btw. For the most part I would socialize online more (in relevents to games) with nintendo gamers then random people that may not share the same taste.

sinalefa

#39

sinalefa said:

I agree with Iwata. Many people won't see the machine's appeal until they play it themselves. One of the best examples was the clumsy Luigi´s Mansion demo. And how some reviewers highlighted it as the best/funniest minigame in there. So you have to play it, and not depend on explanations and videos.

About Miiverse, I haven't even touched it. I hate FB and Twitter with a passion, so I don´t think I will like it because I can talk about games about it.

Emaan

#40

Emaan said:

Iwata, I love you (laughs). Jokes aside, Nintendo has this down. I'm confident in their decisions they're going to make in the coming year. It won't be easy, 2013 poses a lot of challenges for them, but I'll keep my faith.

Captain_Balko

#41

Captain_Balko said:

@Mahe
You say that games such as "Darksiders II" are 'old', but what you fail to realize is that dedicated Nintendo fans such as myself never had an opportunity to play it simply because I don't own any non Nintendo systems. For many, myself included, launch titles such as Darksiders II and (especially for me) Batman Arkham City: Armoured Edition provide the chance to play a game that we simply could not play when they were released because they did not come out on Wii. Furthermore, both of the games I mentioned include all DLC from their original games for free, and additional Wii U exclusive content (Darksiders II has extra levels, and Batman has a few cool new features, such as the Armoured Suit).
I recognize that you preferred the Wii launch games, but implying that the Wii U launch titles are weak isn't very fair. To begin with, as you already stated, New Super Mario Bros. U is a great game. And, regardless of how much it intrests you, Zombi U is a very unique and well done game. I also thoroughly enjoyed Scribblenauts Unlimited, and the fascinating object editor (which the 3DS version doesn't have, and is robust enough to justify me spending the extra 20$ on the Wii U version). Although Nintendoland certainly wasn't as exceptional as I was hoping for, it by no stretch of the imagination, quote, "sucks". If you said it was mediocre, I'd fully understand, but saying it "sucks" is a tad too much. Granted, the single player mode is weak, but the teamwork attractions such as Zelda Battle Quest, Metroid Blast, and the Pikmin game are pretty outstanding. If you look at Wii launch games, you've got a Zelda game that many claimed was BETTER on Gamecube because the motion controls on the Wii version caused many complaints. Even Nintendo Power (may the Goddess have mercy on it's soul) gave the Gamecube Twilight Princess a better score. Also, Wii Sports, which many have compared to Nintendo Land, has much less content than Nintendo Land and didn't even come in an actual game case if you bought it with the Wii (although Nintendo Land does in the Wii U Premium Bundle). So, although your opinion is valid, if you look at the facts from an unbiased perspective, the superior launch list belongs to the Wii U.
I'd also like to address your comment about how 'a lot of people share your opinion'. The global economy isn't doing very well, which prevents people from purchasing luxuries such as highly priced games. Therefore, you cannot assume that the sales of the games determine who shares your opinon or not - there are plenty of factors to look at. For example, the Wii sent people into a frenzy simply because of how revolutionary the idea of 'motion control' was. People marvelled at it, and, in their excitement, bought a multitude of games. When I talk to people who are considering puchasing the Wii U, they seem pleasantly optimistic about it rather than ravenous like they did years earlier when searching from store to store, hoping to buy the Wii. Excitement for the system itself plays a major factor in how many games are bought with the system. Also, as stated in the article, price is a major determining factor in the amount of launch games bought. The Wii was less expensive, so, for lots of people, there was enough leftover cash to pick up a couple games. Wii U, on the other hand, is quite a bit more expensive, especially since everybody seems to want the Premium Bundle, which costs 50$ more (plus tax). That means people can spend less on games after spending so much on the system itself. It appears that you neglected to contemplate these variables when you stated that your opinion was shared by many.
On a side note, together with my brother, we were so excited for the Wii U launch games that we got SIX of them (we started off with two, mind you, and over the weeks accumulated more, but we only bought launch games). Usually, I just get two or perhaps three games in total from the launch line up, so this is a new record.

Bluerobin2

#42

Bluerobin2 said:

all nintendo needs to do is give mario darker clothes and a shotgun and the game will be selling like crazy. Pretty much all the games coming out now are the same:killing. CODBO2, AC3, HItman, Halo 4, soon to be: dead space 3, and probably lot's more to think of. The despicable minds of people today. Nobody wants to try new ideas. Everyone is afraid to admit that they snuck some kirby there in between those sessions with their call of duty: black ops. And with consoles, what exactly is the difference between psp and psv? hd screen? so? playstation move almost made me throw up. And who could forget kinect? which probably would have never happened without wii. AND NOW IPOD TOUCH IS CONSIDERED A HANDHELD!!! Its a disgrace to videogamers like me. While nintendo plays with new ideas, new ways other than fps to rescue someone. Sure they look a little "kiddish" in some's eyes, but that's their problem. they're the idiots who judge a game by it's graphics. Unfortunately they're also the idiots that are considered "cool" producing more idiots who follow in their footsteps. And nintendo, if you are reading this, good job, keep it up and please go yell in Googles faces for not making a youtube app for 3ds yet. It would be much appreciated.

Bluerobin2

#43

Bluerobin2 said:

that may have sounded wrong. The idiots I was refering to were the ones who judge a game by its graphics not nintendo. sorry :)

Ducutzu

#44

Ducutzu said:

I find it hilarious that almost every article on Nintendolife has comments such as: "I love Nintendo and I am their biggest fan, but they clearly dropped the ball on this console - by the way, I do not own a Wii, DS, 3DS or Wii U. I saw hours of footage of New Super Mario Bros U on YouTube and it sucks, there are no games for me on the Wii U and the battery life sucks too".

One of the coolest (and most helpful) little features of Miiverse is the sign that indicates that the poster indeed owns the software in cause.

brooks83

#45

brooks83 said:

Nintendo really needs to hype the Wii U up. Tease some games. Release a few screenshots here and there. Give us a hint at what they are coming up with and what to expect in the future. Give people a reason to invest $350 in their product. There is no excitement or interest in the Wii U outside of the Nintendo faithful. Nintendo's handling of their brand new system is just baffling.

brooks83

#46

brooks83 said:

@Captain_Balko

"So, although your opinion is valid, if you look at the facts from an unbiased perspective, the superior launch list belongs to the Wii U."

Actually, those "facts" you point out are opinions.

Windy

#47

Windy said:

The main Reason I haven't bought the Wii-U is that I did a first Year look at software for the system and Saw 2 games I would interested in. One of them My son already has on Xbox 360 (Assassins Creed) So 2 games in the first year just doesn't Warrant me shelling out the money for the Wii-U at this time. I have about 10 gamer friends who play videogames and not a 1 of them bought a Wii-U. Another at least 10 people I work with didn't get a Wii-U. It just seems weird that so many Wii-U's sold during the Holidays and I don't know anyone who bought one. None of my Gaming Friends own a 3DS and they don't intend to get one. So it's frustrating for myself not being able to play any local wifi because other don't have the system. The Wii never did take off the way I had hoped although at the end it was worth the Wait for Xenoblade, Zelda and Last Story. I was hoping Dragon Quest X online would be released to North America and that's frustrating that at this time Nintendo nor Square is considering bringing that. I'm just not going to sit and wait like I did for the Wii to bring out Quality Software.

3DS has been pretty good and has taken me back to sidescrolling adventures such as Shinobi, Cave Story, Mutant Mudds, Mighty Switchforce and Gunman Clive. I didn't play a whole lot of these types over the last 6 years or so and have loved getting back into them. Great Stuff! Hope to see more. I would like to see more RPG's on 3DS and that is one Genre that has been frustrating waiting for but a flood of them is on the way, and soon :)

Captain_Balko

#48

Captain_Balko said:

@brooks83

I was implying that although both of us are biased, if you let an unbiased person look at each launch list with the "FACTS" of each list laid out on the table (don't forget I used facts to support my thesis, for example a review from a trusted magazine) the unbiased person would likely side with the Wii U.

brooks83

#49

brooks83 said:

@Captain_Balko

No, a review from a trusted magazine is not a fact. It is the opinion of a reviewer. There are other reviewers that say the Wii version is the best version of Twilight Princess.

Captain_Balko

#51

Captain_Balko said:

@brooks83
The staff of Nintendo Power were professional writers who had opinions that I'm sure are above you and I.

And, if you care to know, according to Metacritic, which includes as many legitimate and trusted reviews as possible to create an average score, the Wii Twilight Princess scored 95 while the Gamecube Twilight Princess scored 96. Regardless of the decidedly miniscule gap in scores, the Gamecube Twilight Princess scored higher. I believe that this is as close to fact as one can get when referring to which of two games is 'better' or 'worse'.

brooks83

#52

brooks83 said:

@Captain_Balko
"The staff of Nintendo Power were professional writers who had opinions that I'm sure are above you and I."

You seem like a smart enough person, surely you don't buy that? Because someone works at Nintendo Power their opinion is somehow more valid than yours or mine? Regardless, how many Wii U launch games have a Metacritic score of 95? I'll give you a hint: Zero.

What are your other "facts" that show that the Wii U launch is better? That Wii Sports had less content than Nintendoland? That doesn't mean anything, and certainly more content does not make a game better than another. Millions of people wanted a Wii just for Wii Sports, can't say the same thing for Nintendoland. And that Wii Sports didn't come in a proper case? Most people could care less about that. It certainly does not have anything to do with the Wii U launch being better. And yeah, the ports of Batman and other games may have more content, but the framerate issues make the games worse than the cheaper PS3 and 360 versions.

Basically, my point is that you have not shown a single "fact" proving the Wii U launch is better. It is all opinion.

Captain_Balko

#53

Captain_Balko said:

@brooks83

Fair enough. I retract my comment about facts. It was uncalled for and a tad arrogant. I'm sorry.

However, the opinions of the people at Nintendo Power, concerning Nintendo games specifically, are indeed above you and I for we do not have nearly as much experience or education in the topic (unless, of course, you work for a gaming magazine or site, in which case I apologize profusely). If I walked up to a theoretical phsycist and said "String theory is all BS, everything you believe in is a lie, and my UNEDUCATED opinion on the matter is just as valid as your studied, logic based, EDUCATED opinion,", I would come across as very ignorant. Here is the difference in opinions - as a teacher of mine used to say, there are no good or bad opinions, only educated and uneducated opinions. One can conclude that a writer for Nintendo Power, who has likely spent much of his life learning about video games and the proper way to write an unbiased article about them, both in school and in the workplace, has a more educated opinion than you or I.

brooks83

#54

brooks83 said:

@Captain_Balko

I would call their opinion more educated in the sense that they likely have a journalism degree and know how to write a review better than I do, but at the end of the day the score they give it is still just their opinion. I respect their opinion, but I don't think disagreeing with it makes you ignorant. Disagreeing with an opinion about a game isn't the same as going up to a mathematician and telling them the Pythagorean Theorem is a lie. I've been playing games and reading about games for 20+ years, odds are I know just as much about video games as a professional reviewer does. Maybe I should have went for a journalism degree instead of accounting, lol. And as far as launches go, the Wii U and Wii's were decent, but they don't hold a candle to SNES or Gamecube's :D

BRAINFOX

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BRAINFOX said:

We just need developers to actually work on some actual projects for the system. None of this ports BS. I'm sick and tired of seeing the Wii U getting the cold shoulder from developers and publishers. I know we can't just expect every game to be developed just for us when it's nearly shipping out to stores, but then again, the games that are being co developed for it should get the same treatment. If Aliens and Injustice get DLC and CE's on 360/PS3/PC, then so should we. They can't expect more Wii U owners to buy their games if they don't give potential owners a reason to pick one up, let alone the ones that actually one the freaking thing.

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