@GrailUK Ignoring PC, Atari, Spectrum, AMIGA etc. 100% i see. I guess you don't know much about the gaming history at all.
PC, Amiga, Atari had huge open world games long before Zelda OOT existed.
The Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall, Elite, Hunter, Project IGI, Privateer, Magic Carpet, Frontier and a long list of other open world games existed before OOT.
Only a millenium kid would say Open World almost started with OOT, when it's in reality far down the list. lol
Don't forget home gaming were a big thing before even NES existed. Nintendo were late in the game.
@NinChocolate Yeah. 48 new tracks for 20 bucks. I can't see any problem with that. The only problem is how long it takes before all tracks is released.
This award is a joke like "Rock'n Roll Hall of Fame" who inducts rappers, country etc. Meanwhile Dio, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead etc. is still not inducted as RRHOF thinks Rap is rock.
Candy Crush is just a rip off from many older games. It have nothing to in any award unless it's the most money making one.
Looking at age, Sid Meier's Civilization should already have been there.
If Pac-Man is already there, i don't see the point with MS Pac-Man.
Zelda OOT should have been there long time ago.
But as i said. This award is a joke like RRHOF as none of them makes sense.
@fenlix Xbox Series S and One X consoles costs less than Switch, so people could just get one of them instead.
Then get Game Pass which also includes Rare Replay and 100's of other releases.
I always knew why Rare Replay couldn't be ported to Switch for several reasons too.
@locky-mavo Okay. Kind of like Sony and Hello Games.
"No Man's Sky" on release were a typical 20$ Indie as it were barebone, but Sony demanded them to charge 60$ for the unfinished game.
Sure they had many huge upgrades for free in NMS, but it shouldn't take 5-6 years after release to make a game complete.
Anyways. Square Enix always complains about their game sales, and i guess Babylon's Fall will hit them harder than ever because of their extreme greed. I'm glad people voted with their wallets.
Bayonetta 3 is probably their next hit game, but Platinum is starting to get a list of games that flopped last 10 years.
I wouldn't buy a Platinum game on day one anymore as they can't be trusted, but i will do an exception for Bayonetta 3.
I need to know if it's a paywall game first.
@twztid13 Thank you. I guess the rewards isn't available everywhere as i haven't seen it on EU site here.
I remember Wii U Premium owners like me too. On top of Gold points, you also got 20% discount reward cards for purchases the 2 first years. Gold coins also had higher value on 3DS and Wii U than Switch as far as i remember.
@Narrator1 Platinum is charging 70 bucks for this F2P designed game. That's why it bombed hard.
You just can't charge 70 bucks for a game that's designed like a phone game.
You can find me as: V3nti1ator Crew: Czech Masters
I have been in several crews earlier with great players, but i have rarely seen them online. Current crew usually do all weekly contracts and some play every day.
@BaronMunchausen No problem. Daily KOC update started right now so time to do the daily contracts again.
I played it daily for months, and played over 1000 matches.
I'm in a proper crew, so there is action all the time as everyone know what to do at all times.
"Pass the ball" all the time to keep it charged is the most important thing perhaps.
With public matchmaking, there is sadly some who think KOC is a single player game and it's much harder to win matches then.
Uncharged balls is actually the most scary balls. You can throw them right down while flying.
@Preposterous Well. I don't have problem holding heavy things for a long time after work. Anyways. Vikings eats anyone in Winter Olympics every time over and over again. Shows how weak people outside Norway are when strength matters. Still #1 after decades.
@Preposterous It weights only less than 700 grams. People have to be weak to not be able to hold that for a long time.
To be fair my ancestors were vikings. Also shows in Winter Olympic medals winnings again in China. Strength.
It's not like switch Battery is any better. I'm lucky if i get 2-3 hours even on a simple Indie game.
Steam Deck battery can last up to 6 hours depending on game and settings.
@Neoicelord Console versions have the same bugs as PC versions if you look at patch notes.
I play 90% of the time on PC and haven't had much game problems in over 20 years.
I never bought a potato PC ever. On top shelve GPU, CPU's etc, so performance were never a problem either.
20 years ago you couldn't even fix broken console games as HDD weren't a standard in consoles.
Meanwhile PC versions could always be fixed.
@BenRK Yeah. It's a full PC as a handheld, and not a console at all. It only looks like a Switch, but so does any other handheld today too. When PC handheld becomes available here, i will buy one day 1. I already stopped buying games on Switch i already own on PC, because PC versions is only locked to Steam etc. and not hardware. On top of that i can play on PC and resume "on the go". I will still buy games on Switch, but that will be only exclusives.
@Serpo Steam Deck is a timeless handheld PC that's not tied to any generation.
As we know, PC itself is timeless.
Steam Deck won't fail, because it's a "Gaming Laptop" for pockets.
Saying Steam Deck will fail, is like saying Gaming Laptops should have died 10 years ago.
Also remember any Windows ever works on Steam Deck, Chrome OS, Linux etc.
Lenovo, Asus etc. will probably reveal PC handhelds this year.
Valve never planned to have this market alone. They just wanted to kickstart it and wake up Lenovo, Asus etc.
@EVIL-C I owned VITA since early 2013, so i knew well why it never would succeed. Gimmick functions developers didn't care about, small screen, overpriced small Sony exclusive memory cards and a long list of other flaws.
Here is something strange when it comes to Nintendo and unknown developers with no track record at all.
Velan Studios had never made a game ever, before Nintendo hired them to make Mario Kart Live.
Their second game weren't released until 2021.. Knockout City.
The two founders of Velan were not unknown. They founded Vicarious Visions in 1991 and is owned by Activision which is soon owned by Microsoft.
They made a Mario Kart Live prototype in 2017 without Nintendo knowing about it. lol
That's how they got hired.
@Moonlessky You should play it ASAP. Do all the tutorials first as they are very good at explaining how to play it.
Tutorial also shows you how to curve, lob, charge, catch etc, but also how each ball type works.
The main hideout of the game is a social area where you and friends can just mess around, or train against each other, or even play private matches.
Every day European time at 13:00, there is new daily contracts which makes you level up way faster.
Every time you level up, you get a costume, emote, holobux or something else.
In Game shop also updates daily.
Weekly contracts is new 13:00 every Tuesday.
You can add friends on Switch from PC, Xbox and PS.
KOC also supports cross-save. You can resume same save on PC and other consoles.
@MeloMan Yes. You get 2000 free Holobux and some other things.
Everyone who buy the game today will also get the same.
Season 6 won't start until it goes F2P which sucks.
At least there will be a bunch of weekly contracts where you still unlock free stuff.
@Snatcher Knockout City have been free almost all the time. It were on PSN+, Free on Amazon Prime Gaming and were included on Game Pass for PC and Xbox.
The only system it ever costed money on were Switch.
@jsty3105 It were bad at launch, but they did a lot of upgrades after the release for a long time. I forgot to try it after it were fixed. Perhaps it's online is better.
@jsty3105 ME 3 sure is great. I remember leveling up a lot on both Wii U and 360 versions.
I wish the fun carried over to Mass Effect Andromeda online, but sadly didn't.
@jsty3105 Yeah, but they already had a foot inside at Nintendo which helped. "Straight Right" became the #1 porting studio on Wii U, and since then logo were changed to Tantalus on Switch. Mass Effect 3 and Deus EX were highly praised Wii U ports. Zombi in 2015 were the last ever port from Straight Right.
That Wii U port were sloppy, but it's quite obvious UBI wanted a quick, cheap and dirty port with no effort. Zombi were forgotten the day it released. Only Wii U version is remembered.
I remember completing most of ME 3 on Xbox 360, but got stuck somewhere due to a bug making it impossible to complete. Then i started ME 3 from scratch on Wii U and completed it there instead. ME 3 online co-op on Wii U were populated for years after release, but same on 360. Lovely online game.
@Wexter Yeah. Perhaps Nintendo don't want Eternal Darkness re-released as there were some controversary with the original developer after they went to Microsoft and took the GameCube game Too Human with them. Microsoft itself were not the problem. SK themselves went to court with Epic and lost. Then Too Human had to be removed from all stores. You can find the whole story on google.
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Re: Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Could Be Inducted Into The Video Game Hall Of Fame
@GrailUK Ignoring PC, Atari, Spectrum, AMIGA etc. 100% i see. I guess you don't know much about the gaming history at all.
PC, Amiga, Atari had huge open world games long before Zelda OOT existed.
The Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall, Elite, Hunter, Project IGI, Privateer, Magic Carpet, Frontier and a long list of other open world games existed before OOT.
Only a millenium kid would say Open World almost started with OOT, when it's in reality far down the list. lol
Don't forget home gaming were a big thing before even NES existed. Nintendo were late in the game.
Re: Nintendo Shares A Launch Trailer For Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's Booster Course Pass
@NinChocolate Yeah. 48 new tracks for 20 bucks. I can't see any problem with that.
The only problem is how long it takes before all tracks is released.
Re: Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Could Be Inducted Into The Video Game Hall Of Fame
This award is a joke like "Rock'n Roll Hall of Fame" who inducts rappers, country etc. Meanwhile Dio, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead etc. is still not inducted as RRHOF thinks Rap is rock.
Candy Crush is just a rip off from many older games. It have nothing to in any award unless it's the most money making one.
Looking at age, Sid Meier's Civilization should already have been there.
If Pac-Man is already there, i don't see the point with MS Pac-Man.
Zelda OOT should have been there long time ago.
But as i said. This award is a joke like RRHOF as none of them makes sense.
Re: GoldenEye's Trademark Has Been Updated, So Of Course Those Remaster Rumours Are Back
@sleepinglion The original aged badly. Poor framerate, clunky gameplay etc.
The only version to play today is the remastered version made for Xbox 360, but you have to play it on PC.
Re: Microsoft And Sony Top Metacritic's 12th Annual Game Publisher Rankings, Nintendo Places 14th
@Banjo- Yeah. hehe. Usually announced out of nowhere in Direct close to release.
Re: EA Play Live Is Reportedly Skipping 2022
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Re: Microsoft And Sony Top Metacritic's 12th Annual Game Publisher Rankings, Nintendo Places 14th
@Giancarlothomaz They are usually announced on Nintendo directs.
Re: Microsoft And Sony Top Metacritic's 12th Annual Game Publisher Rankings, Nintendo Places 14th
@Giancarlothomaz Not if they keep spitting out old Wii U ports and low budget games.
Re: Microsoft And Sony Top Metacritic's 12th Annual Game Publisher Rankings, Nintendo Places 14th
@Mando44646 @dimi Xbox also had Flight Simulator and Halo Infinite among others.
Yeah. All the ports and the low budget sports games is what drags Nintendo down.
BOTW 2, Bayonetta 3 and Splatoon 3 should be a thing in 2022.
Re: Microsoft And Sony Top Metacritic's 12th Annual Game Publisher Rankings, Nintendo Places 14th
@ATaco If they slapped their name on anything, they wouldn't be #1 as it would drag down the average.
If you bothered to read article you would know it were about highest scores on average.
Quality over quantity.
Re: Obsidian's RPG Pillars Of Eternity II: Deadfire Appears To Have Been Cancelled For Switch
@Olmectron I forgot to write "One".
Xbox One X. The 4K console from 2017 with 4K UHD Drive.
Costed 300 bucks since 2018 when i bought it and it weren't even on sale.
Re: Obsidian's RPG Pillars Of Eternity II: Deadfire Appears To Have Been Cancelled For Switch
@fenlix Xbox Series S and One X consoles costs less than Switch, so people could just get one of them instead.
Then get Game Pass which also includes Rare Replay and 100's of other releases.
I always knew why Rare Replay couldn't be ported to Switch for several reasons too.
Re: Obsidian's RPG Pillars Of Eternity II: Deadfire Appears To Have Been Cancelled For Switch
You can still play it on a handheld natively.. Steam Deck.
Re: PlatinumGames' Live Service Title Is Off To A Really Bad Start
@locky-mavo Okay. Kind of like Sony and Hello Games.
"No Man's Sky" on release were a typical 20$ Indie as it were barebone, but Sony demanded them to charge 60$ for the unfinished game.
Sure they had many huge upgrades for free in NMS, but it shouldn't take 5-6 years after release to make a game complete.
Anyways. Square Enix always complains about their game sales, and i guess Babylon's Fall will hit them harder than ever because of their extreme greed. I'm glad people voted with their wallets.
Bayonetta 3 is probably their next hit game, but Platinum is starting to get a list of games that flopped last 10 years.
I wouldn't buy a Platinum game on day one anymore as they can't be trusted, but i will do an exception for Bayonetta 3.
I need to know if it's a paywall game first.
Re: Nintendo Switch Online Missions And Rewards: March 2022
@twztid13 Thank you. I guess the rewards isn't available everywhere as i haven't seen it on EU site here.
I remember Wii U Premium owners like me too.
On top of Gold points, you also got 20% discount reward cards for purchases the 2 first years.
Gold coins also had higher value on 3DS and Wii U than Switch as far as i remember.
Re: PlatinumGames' Live Service Title Is Off To A Really Bad Start
@Narrator1 Platinum is charging 70 bucks for this F2P designed game. That's why it bombed hard.
You just can't charge 70 bucks for a game that's designed like a phone game.
Re: PlatinumGames' Live Service Title Is Off To A Really Bad Start
They are selling a F2P game for 70 bucks even on PC.
It's bloated with overpriced in game DLC on top.
Their greed is the main reason it flopped.
Just read the Steam user user reviews.
They are charging 70 bucks for a game that should have been free as it's designed as a free game.
Re: 'Missions And Rewards' Added To Nintendo Switch Online
@twztid13 If they had it were probably limited to USA or something.
I have never seen this on European shops and Sony sites.
Re: 'Missions And Rewards' Added To Nintendo Switch Online
@Banjo- Yeah. I'm farming MS rewards all the time, because it's real money.
Nintendo should have given Gold Coins instead as it have some value.
Re: 'Missions And Rewards' Added To Nintendo Switch Online
Useless for me since it's no Gold points.
On Xbox and PC you get real money payback just by playing games and you did for years already.
At least Nintendo have Gold Coins for purchases.
Sony have no reward system at all.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
@BaronMunchausen I think there might be room.
You can find me as: V3nti1ator
Crew: Czech Masters
I have been in several crews earlier with great players, but i have rarely seen them online.
Current crew usually do all weekly contracts and some play every day.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Preposterous Never heard of the word stronk, so i guess it's a English word and not American?
Here is some proof, so i guess will stop laughing then.
https://www.topendsports.com/events/winter/medal-tally/all-time.htm
Anyways. Have a nice day.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
@BaronMunchausen No problem. Daily KOC update started right now so time to do the daily contracts again.
I played it daily for months, and played over 1000 matches.
I'm in a proper crew, so there is action all the time as everyone know what to do at all times.
"Pass the ball" all the time to keep it charged is the most important thing perhaps.
With public matchmaking, there is sadly some who think KOC is a single player game and it's much harder to win matches then.
Uncharged balls is actually the most scary balls. You can throw them right down while flying.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Preposterous Well. I don't have problem holding heavy things for a long time after work.
Anyways. Vikings eats anyone in Winter Olympics every time over and over again. Shows how weak people outside Norway are when strength matters.
Still #1 after decades.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Preposterous It weights only less than 700 grams. People have to be weak to not be able to hold that for a long time.
To be fair my ancestors were vikings. Also shows in Winter Olympic medals winnings again in China. Strength.
It's not like switch Battery is any better. I'm lucky if i get 2-3 hours even on a simple Indie game.
Steam Deck battery can last up to 6 hours depending on game and settings.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@eltomo You can install windows 10 on Steam Deck.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@nkarafo If you are unable to lift a Steam Deck, it's about time to do some training.
I never care about weight, because i'm used to heavy things.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
@Rachel_NES Yeah, but you get used to it.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Neoicelord Console versions have the same bugs as PC versions if you look at patch notes.
I play 90% of the time on PC and haven't had much game problems in over 20 years.
I never bought a potato PC ever. On top shelve GPU, CPU's etc, so performance were never a problem either.
20 years ago you couldn't even fix broken console games as HDD weren't a standard in consoles.
Meanwhile PC versions could always be fixed.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@BenRK Yeah. It's a full PC as a handheld, and not a console at all.
It only looks like a Switch, but so does any other handheld today too.
When PC handheld becomes available here, i will buy one day 1.
I already stopped buying games on Switch i already own on PC, because PC versions is only locked to Steam etc. and not hardware. On top of that i can play on PC and resume "on the go".
I will still buy games on Switch, but that will be only exclusives.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@GC-161 Steam Deck isn't a Switch competitor at all. It's made for hardcore PC and Steam users.
Valve only wanted to create the market, and let other companies like Lenovo, Asus etc. make them instead in the long run.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Serpo Steam Deck is a timeless handheld PC that's not tied to any generation.
As we know, PC itself is timeless.
Steam Deck won't fail, because it's a "Gaming Laptop" for pockets.
Saying Steam Deck will fail, is like saying Gaming Laptops should have died 10 years ago.
Also remember any Windows ever works on Steam Deck, Chrome OS, Linux etc.
Lenovo, Asus etc. will probably reveal PC handhelds this year.
Valve never planned to have this market alone. They just wanted to kickstart it and wake up Lenovo, Asus etc.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@EVIL-C I owned VITA since early 2013, so i knew well why it never would succeed. Gimmick functions developers didn't care about, small screen, overpriced small Sony exclusive memory cards and a long list of other flaws.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Lagster_YT It requires a lot more cooling than Switch, and is why it has to be bigger.
Re: Nightdive Studios Wants To Remaster Titles Like Eternal Darkness, But Hasn't Had Any Luck With Nintendo
@jsty3105 Hello again.
Here is something strange when it comes to Nintendo and unknown developers with no track record at all.
Velan Studios had never made a game ever, before Nintendo hired them to make Mario Kart Live.
Their second game weren't released until 2021.. Knockout City.
The two founders of Velan were not unknown. They founded Vicarious Visions in 1991 and is owned by Activision which is soon owned by Microsoft.
They made a Mario Kart Live prototype in 2017 without Nintendo knowing about it. lol
That's how they got hired.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
About Velan..
The developer of Knockout City were hired by Nintendo to make Mario Kart Live.
Mario Kart Live and Knockout City is the only games they ever made.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
@ModdedInkling They already announced it. You get 2000 Holobux and some other things.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
@Moonlessky You should play it ASAP. Do all the tutorials first as they are very good at explaining how to play it.
Tutorial also shows you how to curve, lob, charge, catch etc, but also how each ball type works.
The main hideout of the game is a social area where you and friends can just mess around, or train against each other, or even play private matches.
Every day European time at 13:00, there is new daily contracts which makes you level up way faster.
Every time you level up, you get a costume, emote, holobux or something else.
In Game shop also updates daily.
Weekly contracts is new 13:00 every Tuesday.
You can add friends on Switch from PC, Xbox and PS.
KOC also supports cross-save. You can resume same save on PC and other consoles.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
@BaronMunchausen Knockout City is one of the best arena games ever made since Quake III Arena and Unreal Tournament 1999.
Good news for those who paid for it. You get 2000 Holobux and some other things.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
I play Knockout City every day of the week on PC.. 1440p/165hz + Xbox 360 Gamepad.
I'm level 405 and have played over 1000 matches.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
@MeloMan Yes. You get 2000 free Holobux and some other things.
Everyone who buy the game today will also get the same.
Season 6 won't start until it goes F2P which sucks.
At least there will be a bunch of weekly contracts where you still unlock free stuff.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
@CodyMKW It's a skill based game, so luck is not needed.
If you based it on luck, you would probably lose all matches.
Re: Knockout City Is Going Free-To-Play, Velan Studios Will Replace EA As Game's Publisher
@Snatcher
Knockout City have been free almost all the time.
It were on PSN+, Free on Amazon Prime Gaming and were included on Game Pass for PC and Xbox.
The only system it ever costed money on were Switch.
Re: Starbreeze's "25 Million" Selling Action-RPG Enclave Is Coming To Switch This Year
@Enigk Yeah. 25 millions have to be wrong. PC market for game sales were terrible back then and basically Enclave sales had to rely on Xbox 1 sales.
It sold 1.5 millions on Steam when it re-released in 2013.
Anyways. Willy Beamish on Amiga came on 15 floppies, but Amiga supported 4 floppy drives at the same time so you didn't need to swap disks often.
When i bought GTA 5 on PC, it came on 5 DVD's instead of one Blu-Ray.
Re: Starbreeze's "25 Million" Selling Action-RPG Enclave Is Coming To Switch This Year
@Enigk PC's didn't even have floppy drives anymore when this game released.
Re: Nightdive Studios Wants To Remaster Titles Like Eternal Darkness, But Hasn't Had Any Luck With Nintendo
@jsty3105 It were bad at launch, but they did a lot of upgrades after the release for a long time.
I forgot to try it after it were fixed. Perhaps it's online is better.
Re: EA's CEO Seems Pretty Chill About Losing The FIFA Licence
Yeah. FIFA is nothing more than a brand at this point like Call of Duty.
Re: Nightdive Studios Wants To Remaster Titles Like Eternal Darkness, But Hasn't Had Any Luck With Nintendo
@jsty3105 ME 3 sure is great. I remember leveling up a lot on both Wii U and 360 versions.
I wish the fun carried over to Mass Effect Andromeda online, but sadly didn't.
Why did they fix what wasn't broken?
Re: Nightdive Studios Wants To Remaster Titles Like Eternal Darkness, But Hasn't Had Any Luck With Nintendo
@jsty3105 Yeah, but they already had a foot inside at Nintendo which helped.
"Straight Right" became the #1 porting studio on Wii U, and since then logo were changed to Tantalus on Switch.
Mass Effect 3 and Deus EX were highly praised Wii U ports.
Zombi in 2015 were the last ever port from Straight Right.
That Wii U port were sloppy, but it's quite obvious UBI wanted a quick, cheap and dirty port with no effort. Zombi were forgotten the day it released. Only Wii U version is remembered.
I remember completing most of ME 3 on Xbox 360, but got stuck somewhere due to a bug making it impossible to complete.
Then i started ME 3 from scratch on Wii U and completed it there instead.
ME 3 online co-op on Wii U were populated for years after release, but same on 360. Lovely online game.
Re: Nightdive Studios Wants To Remaster Titles Like Eternal Darkness, But Hasn't Had Any Luck With Nintendo
@Wexter Yeah. Perhaps Nintendo don't want Eternal Darkness re-released as there were some controversary with the original developer after they went to Microsoft and took the GameCube game Too Human with them.
Microsoft itself were not the problem. SK themselves went to court with Epic and lost. Then Too Human had to be removed from all stores. You can find the whole story on google.