Valve's new portable gaming computer the Steam Deck might be "going after" a completely different audience but it's still drawn plenty of comparisons to the Nintendo Switch.
The final product is now in the hands of various tech and video game outlets, so what's the final verdict, and what's it like compared to Nintendo's hybrid device? If you're interested in knowing more about this new system - read on! We've rounded up a series of reviews - many of which make reference to Nintendo's hybrid hardware.
Beginning with a Steam Deck review by Polygon, here's a sample of what the site's editor-in-chief and co-founder, Chris Plante, had to say:
"The Steam Deck Shines as an ultra-powerful Switch...I enjoyed the Steam Deck most when I treated it like a powerful Nintendo Switch instead of a hybrid portable PC."
"...I love the Nintendo Switch because it makes video games approachable to more people than ever before, allowing them to easily enjoy games at their convenience without any additional investment of time or space. No TV required — hell, no living room required. And I still believe that for newcomers, and people unfamiliar with PC gaming, Nintendo’s device remains the best starting point for this hobby.
"But for people who already have a Steam library, or are eager to dip their toes into the waters of PC gaming, the Steam Deck already feels like a legitimate alternative. It builds on the Switch’s pitch of playing anywhere and everywhere, because now my games and save files aren’t tied to a console. They live in the cloud, following me wherever I can access Steam — from my Steam Deck, to my gaming PC, to my work laptop, and wherever else I might want them in the future."
Tom's Hardware senior editor, Andrew E. Freedman, awarded the device four out of five stars and said the following:
"There's a certain intimacy to playing games on the Steam Deck, the same way there is on the Nintendo Switch. Sure, I can play games on my rig hooked up to a monitor or a TV. But sometimes, I'm just more comfortable curled up on the couch under a blanket with a cup of tea in reach. That flexibility has encouraged me to play some games I might not have tried otherwise."
Wes Fenlon of PC Gamer gave the device 85 out of 100 and said it was a system a "Leatherman guy would love":
"The Steam Deck is a handheld gaming system a Leatherman guy would love. It was quite possibly designed by Leatherman guys at Valve, who decided that a handheld gaming PC would only work if it had a big screen, two big analog sticks, trackpads, and access to a proper Linux desktop underneath its friendly UI. The problem I've always had with Leathermans (please don't be mad at me, Leatherman guys) is that the miniature scissors and other doodads are never as good as the proper tools they replace. And the Steam Deck isn't completely immune to that jack-of-all-trades problem—after two weeks with it, it's not a replacement for my desktop PC or as portable as a Nintendo Switch."
Engadget senior editor, Jessica Conditt, awarded Valve's new hardware 81 out of 100 and while she believes the Switch comparisons are "totally fair" it's more like a hybrid of two older devices:
"A lot of people are going to compare the Steam Deck to the Switch, and that’s totally fair, but after spending more than a week with Valve’s portable PC, I think there’s a better analogy at hand: The Steam Deck is what happens when the Vita and the Wii U get drunk on Linux and make a big baby together."
The IGN "in-progress review" by its executive editor, Seth G. Macy, summed up his thoughts with the following comments:
"The Steam Deck’s LCD screen runs at 1200x800 at 60Hz, and it looks really good. I have no complaints about the resolution – at this screen size there’s a diminishing return on packing in extra pixels. I have to say, though, that the OLED screen on the latest model of the Nintendo Switch has spoiled me on handheld screens, and the Steam Deck doesn't live up to the vibrance and clarity afforded by Nintendo's latest update. But it's still lovely, especially if you aren’t jumping back and forth between this and an OLED screen. Similar to the Switch, the screen is touch-enabled, so you can easily navigate through menus and even control some games with a quick tap here and a drag there."
"...It’s interesting to contemplate that, with just a few accessories, this [Steam Deck] could be someone’s only PC and that wouldn’t be a terrible setup. When you factor in all of that multi-use capability, the extra cost above a Switch – which to this day still has no web browser or Netflix app – doesn’t seem unreasonable. It's missing a camera, so you can't use it for video conferencing, but aside from that it's a decent little PC that easily handles light, everyday tasks but also plays games at a level you won't find in other hardware around this price."
So, there you go - some actual reviews of Valve's Steam Deck along with some comparisons to Nintendo's Switch. What are your own thoughts about the Steam Deck so far? Have you pre-ordered one? Do you see it as an alternative to your Nintendo Switch? Leave your thoughts down below.
But do the analog sticks drift?!
Ha! Didn't think so.
I sure can't wait for the reviews of this very article to talk about how Nintendo Life is reporting on something that isn't Nintendo.
Can't wait to have my steam library on the go. My only gripe is the large size when compared to the switch
Steam deck? Sounds like a strip club or something. Sorry but I would never buy this thing. I don't care if it plays portable PS5 games.
Boomer: "That handheld device is so powerful and advanced that it will surely destroy Nintendo"
Zoomer: "Yeah, the Steam Deck sure looks like a winner doesn't it? It's technologically superior"
Boomer: "Steam Deck? LOL No, sorry... I was just remembering what I said about the Vita when it went against the inferior 3DS"
I would mainly use a device like this to play older games that are not on the Switch like the classic Splinter Cell games or the older Elder Scrolls games, for that purpose it would be fantastic as the Switch is unlikely to get games like those any time soon.
The appeal of this device for me is playing games that the Switch will miss out on, with the added benefit of portability, it could never replace the system because of the incredible first party lineup but as a supplemental device it would be great.
They need to make a smaller switch, like the lite-lite-lite but give it a little boost in performance like the "New" Switch Lite-Lite-Lite OLED Pro (TM). I'd rather have a switch lite than a Steam deck, because it is the smallest modern gaming device. but when travelling, I still take my 3DSxl or Gameboy micro. While Nintendo can't win on performance, they could win on portability.
Right in that sweet spot of 'slightly bigger than convenient' and 'why aren't you just using a laptop, especially since many steam games are meant for keyboard/mouse'. Add the high price, and what's not to love?
I'll be passing on steam deck.. Although to be fair I would pay more for a more powerful Switch if one existed — Arceus with high-res trees anyone?
Also: have there been any reviews which don't compare Steam Deck to Switch?
But can it run Crysis?
@Procurator If the Switch can I am pretty sure this will.
Switch comparisons are fair--I think it's safe to say the Deck would probably not exist if the Switch didn't show the potential for powerful portable hybrids--but they really seem to serve two different markets in my eyes.
I preordered it as a novelty because I thought it was neat. I doubt it'll fully replace my Switch, but I like the idea of playing some PC games on a handheld with a bit more oomph.
Amazing looking device, and as for the hands on reviews the grip feels great in your hands, doesnt feel heavy at all, high quality thumbsticks and Dpad.
Cant wait for mine to arive and play my library on the go.
I just watched an interview from IGN with Gabe (valve) man what a humble honest person about the device and their future plans love it.
It sounds like an interesting device one the console to tv dock arrives. I can't tell anyone, including myself, how many low res games I purchased in the past on Steam which I like to play on the go.
It would probably be worth it not buying one game going forward just to play the older ones I never really dove into. Oddly though - only about 15 games or so out of the 150 I have purchased were steam deck verified thusly. Not great.
@moodycat Then don't buy one? They never called it a console. Different media outlets may have, but Valve has always said it was a handheld gaming PC.
They can both exist, someone who has a switch likely has it for that spark of Nintendo magic. Personally never gotten into PC gaming but loved my Nintendo hand-helds. Im glad it's here but it's not a replacement by any means
@moodycat : Furthermore, my biggest concern with this is that I may not be able to play a lot of games with it due to the fact that they impose an always-online form of DRM, defeating the purpose of the Steam Deck as a portable device to serve as a more powerful alternative to the aging Switch.
The irony is that I only want this thing for retro gaming, emulations, and DRM-free games, such as those available via GOG.
Interested to see if yuzu or ryujinx will run on it
It's large, bulky, has no real exclusives and is just way too overpriced.
... Thought so. Switch is still the way to go.
@Mauzuri I would have gotten it if it wasn’t expensive.
I will stick with my Switch instead. I will wait and save up my money for Xbox Series S instead
Steam Deck has as much to do with Nintendo Switch, as the Nintendo Switch Lite has to do with Nintendo Switch.
Steam Deck is a handheld, Nintendo Switch is a hybrid console.
I think it's kind of silly that some people think this is some kind of Switch killer. It's no more a Switch killer then a laptop is a Switch killer. It's a mid range gaming PC in a somewhat unique form factor. A sizeable portion of people want this (me included) but no one thinks this is going to "kill" any console. If anything, this may be the kick in the butt Nintendo needs to actually make the fabled Switch Pro people want!
It's not for everyone. Some people are willing to put up with the quirks of PC gaming, others are not, and that's ok. Me? I'm looking forward to getting mine, but my Switch will still see a lot of use. This has the same chance of replacing my Switch as my gaming PC has, which is not at all. I value portable gaming. Heck, I still play a PSP for crying out loud!
@moodycat tbh, if i had 500$ to spare...
i'd be looking more likely to use it to get a ps4, vita or a better laptop than the lousy one i currently got than a steam deck
@GC-161 No one thought the Vita would kill the 3DS. A lot of people did think the original PSP was going to kill the original DS, though.
Thats the thing, I don't think this thing should be compared t oa switch, as they both kinda have there own pro and cons.
A few months from now, people will say this console is running out of steam.
@Lagster_YT It requires a lot more cooling than Switch, and is why it has to be bigger.
So basically from what I read, The deck is a good alternative to switch, but for most people the switch is the better option. Honestly if it sells good and becomes a switch rival that would be a good thing for Nintendo. Competition makes you work harder. And lately Nintendo hasn’t been putting the most effort into their games.
Pre-ordered mine to have an emulation powerhouse that I can also connect to a TV. The rollout is kind of a mess, though. It was a battle to pre-order in time, now we have to watch our spam folders like a hawk as to not miss our chance to really really pre-order this time after an initial $5 deposit. It's lame. But it's what we have. I would have preferred a pre-order, pay in full, here's when it's coming option. You know, like how people normally buy impending things
@Maulbert One moron did... https://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed
@EVIL-C I owned VITA since early 2013, so i knew well why it never would succeed. Gimmick functions developers didn't care about, small screen, overpriced small Sony exclusive memory cards and a long list of other flaws.
@Serpo Steam Deck is a timeless handheld PC that's not tied to any generation.
As we know, PC itself is timeless.
Steam Deck won't fail, because it's a "Gaming Laptop" for pockets.
Saying Steam Deck will fail, is like saying Gaming Laptops should have died 10 years ago.
Also remember any Windows ever works on Steam Deck, Chrome OS, Linux etc.
Lenovo, Asus etc. will probably reveal PC handhelds this year.
Valve never planned to have this market alone. They just wanted to kickstart it and wake up Lenovo, Asus etc.
@Ventilator This. Certain media outlets kept calling it a console. Does the Steam Deck have similarities to the Switch? Sure. Is it a competitor? Not really. I would buy a Steam Deck to be weird and play RimWorld or Cities Skylines on the go, where as I'd buy a Switch to play games with friends and once again lose interest in a Pokemon game (my problem, not a comment on Pokemon as a whole)
It's a very good thing in it's own. Tons and tons of indie games are pc exclusive because of the visibility they can get from the pc crowd (plus porting to console is a hassle for a small dev team). It's an indie gaming switch and an emulator. Sounds like a great value for money, except that I don't have the money.
@GC-161 Steam Deck isn't a Switch competitor at all. It's made for hardcore PC and Steam users.
Valve only wanted to create the market, and let other companies like Lenovo, Asus etc. make them instead in the long run.
I'm gonna get this, install battle brothers and mod the hell out of that game.
Its basicly all my switch plays these days. And monster train.
@GC-161 I smooshed my computer screen cuz of ur pfp :,)
No reason to clash these two when they go for diff audiences. I'm glad the deck is being recieved as positively as it is. I play switch portable 95% of the time so I'd love a chance to buy this for a whole new set of games andalsoemulation
Good to see the laughable cult mentality on here hasn’t gone away. This has been well received by basically every outlet. It has a market. Whether that overlaps with Switch’s market remains to be seen.
@Neoicelord I'm afraid that is also true of many console games today as well.
@GC-161 Ah yesss, Sony's NGP. Stands for NINTENDO GET PWNED.
That lil 3DS never stood a chance.
@Neoicelord what? plenty of games just work on pc. Console games have similar compatibility issues.
I'm on the fence. I have a pre order but not sure whether I will commit. I like the idea of having Steam on the go but early battery life reports don't seem great. It's an observation not a criticism from me as this tech will always attract high power consumption.
When you need to keep a power cord near you, the deck has one advantage over the Switch. The port is on the top! Really don't like the positioning on the Switch.
@BenRK Yeah. It's a full PC as a handheld, and not a console at all.
It only looks like a Switch, but so does any other handheld today too.
When PC handheld becomes available here, i will buy one day 1.
I already stopped buying games on Switch i already own on PC, because PC versions is only locked to Steam etc. and not hardware. On top of that i can play on PC and resume "on the go".
I will still buy games on Switch, but that will be only exclusives.
@Neoicelord Console versions have the same bugs as PC versions if you look at patch notes.
I play 90% of the time on PC and haven't had much game problems in over 20 years.
I never bought a potato PC ever. On top shelve GPU, CPU's etc, so performance were never a problem either.
20 years ago you couldn't even fix broken console games as HDD weren't a standard in consoles.
Meanwhile PC versions could always be fixed.
"Vita and Wii U's child on Linux" sounds weird and reiterates that even in 2022 some people still don't get the memo about what a Wii U conceptually is (a dual screen home console). Which Nintendo has owned up to when it comes to customers but which remains a lot less excusable when it comes to journalists presumably PAID to do homework on the things they write ab- uh, wait, silly me, it's clearly NOT what their employers pay them for, is it.😏🙄
As for Steam Deck itself, the release has left my stance on it unchanged. The competitive price among other gaming micro PCs and other perks sure land me in the prospective market for the machine as a valuable and most portable access point to any games not expected on Switch for [insert reasons]. On the other hand, if SD had come out back in 2017 and already been in my possession with Switch (the 2017 Switch, not even revisions with blackjack and OLED) only coming out now, I would still aim to buy a Switch as well.
And people familiar with my library from past comments may already guess that Nintendo games and other exclusives, for all my appreciation thereof, wouldn't be the remotely primary reason for that.
In other notes, yes, whenever I actually manage to get SD (if at all😅), Steam OS is likely getting yeeted in favour of the access to GOG, Uplay (wouldn't the latter need to be installed for some games anyway? The first Watch Dogs in my Steam library launches it by default😆), RPCS3 and whatnot besides Steam itself. By the way, the screen is apparently just 7 inches big - meaning a legit free Windows 10 in the first place, right? I haven't heard Microsoft backing down on that.
@Moistnado a significant performance boost for Switch would likely need proportionally better cooling and battery... and you want all that in something even SMALLER than Lite?😅
Maybe this will force the prices down of third party switch games.
@ModdedInkling I give your comment a 3/10
I'd love to have one but can't justify the cost. If I was younger and played games more, it'd be a "must buy" for me.
How ace would it be if your gaming set up was a Switch and a Steam Deck side by side! I'm still unsure if you plan to play mostly docked, why you wouldn't just buy a PC. It kinda gives me the same nostalgic energy of when the OG Xbox came to market. American company makes most powerful hardware...by making it massive, heavy and clunky lol.
For people who want a portable P.C this looks like a very good option, and probably better than buying the other devices currently on the market as it has some good back up from Valve, the unit looks a tad on the large size but should still be comfortable/usable as a handheld, pretty sure an awesome machine for emulation too.
Not so sure on it's design though, surely they could have made it look a little bit better, it just does not look as premium as it's price would suggest.
Both these devices look so much better in terms of design, I do realize they cost more...... but still.
Not so sure of a cult mentality on here, sure there will be Switch defenders, but this is mainly down to this site reporting on this and various devices in a way setting them up and comparing them to the Switch,and in other articles stating this is what a Switch Pro would be like etc etc.... if Nintendo could be bothered to make one, and it's never disguised all that well either.
Now of course the more level headed people realize these powerful P.C type devices are not in direct competition with the Switch, their price points will pretty much guarantee that, but as you say this one has the most chance to gain an audience, if valve can make enough of them.
Do the reviews talk about the docked mode at all? I’m interested in the Steam Deck if I can use it conveniently like my Switch, switching back and forth between TV and handheld play.
Would be good as an additional device for games I don't have on the Switch. However, I can't justify it economically alongside my current, main, family gaming systems of Switch and PS4.
Mind that Steamdeck is very big in size and maybe is not so portable. You can see these screenshots here:
For me this is a negative.
It has Homebrew. That's all you really need to know.
All those reviews and no mention of battery life? I’m surprised as I get the impression the SteamDeck will be the GameGear to the Switch’s GameBoy when it comes to battery life.
From what I been seeing on the full reviews not just the few excerpts that was listed here starting with the bad
Kind of glad I waited doesn’t seem worth the price [i don’t need an emulation machine] especially since I already have a good laptop for portable Steam games and much more anyway
I’m an old; please send halp. What is a Leatherman? I’ve never heard this term, and it’s making me yell at clouds.
As a Switch owner, I'm not particularly interested in pontifications on where the Steam Deck fits in a gaming lifestyle, like most of these reviews (or at least their quoted bits) seem eager to harp on. We know it lets you unchain the concept of gaming from a static PC. That's the whole point. Duh.
What I would be interested in reading about would be the ergonomics and performance of this thing. Do the sticks and buttons have the right amount of resistance? Does the screen perform well for the PC games it's playing? Does the utterly absurd size of this thing strain wrists over short or long gaming sessions? How's the real-world battery life, or heat dissipation?
This roundup is disappountingly lacking in reporting on most of those factors.
@BloodNinja A Leatherman is the brand name of a range of Swiss Army Knife-like multitools, 'cept usually somewhat chunkier and built around a central set of folding pliers, instead of just a solid bar design.
@Fath Oh, ok I’ve heard of that. The writer for that particular review made it sound like a type of person, but I just worked for 16 hours so it could be the delirium setting in, heh.
The first two quotations used in this article are pretty pointless and don't really tell you about the product at all.
I'll wait for a revised version
At discounted price
With emulation working.
@nkarafo If you are unable to lift a Steam Deck, it's about time to do some training.
I never care about weight, because i'm used to heavy things.
@eltomo You can install windows 10 on Steam Deck.
@nhSnork the tegra x1 was already old when the switch came out. More energy efficient, faster and cooler chips already existed 5 years ago.
Damn, Nintendo fanboys taking the crown from the Ponies now.
As someone who games on PC (with Linux) and a Switch, I hope this succeeds and does well. It isn't a threat to the Switch and never will be. Two different target markets.
Steam Deck is better in performance and has much better and cheaper games. Switch lite has the edge in terms of size, being almost small enough to be convenient to take on a trip. Steam deck is certainly the better console to play on the toilet.
I'm not sold on it and I don't think it will do good long run. What you get for the price is great but the biggest disappointment is the screen. Battery life from YouTube reviews shows you're gonna need a battery pack if you're using this remotely alot.
So, great if you're already into PC games, otherwise the Switch is a cheaper and more viable option.
I think that's really all anyone could expect from it. And it's not a bad outcome.
@BloodNinja Haha, totally fair; it was honestly a weird enough analogy for the reviewer to be making that the question of if I was misunderstanding it crossed my mind briefly on first read, too .
Hope you get a chance to get some quality rest in!
It's decent but I think I'd rather save the money towards a new high-end GPU when next gen cards launch later this year.
I don't game enough outside so it would be wasteful, not when I can get much more power and performance out of my PC.
I'm happy we've progressed to the point where my official Nintendo consoles have been surpassed by new third party consoles. With both the Analogue Pocket and Steam Deck, my Switch is obsolete. It's great that we now have so many more options.
Interested in getting one later down the road. I imagine availability will be a nightmare early on as Valve underestimated demand. I don't mind holding off a bit anyway, my Switch backlog is huge and this year will only make it bigger.
But yeah, the Steam Deck will be a nice supplement to my switch, for the third party games that don't come over.
Amazing device. It will definitely kill the switch for me. Except for the first party games from Nintendo. I have no doubt that every third party game will run much better on the deck.
I commend Valve for a job well done with the Steam Deck, and I hope to get one someday. Nintendo should take notes from this for their next Switch.
Post-Q2 lets get it
@ShadowofTwilight22 you don't even need Steam Deck for a portable Persona 4, but in general, it's less about cults and more about some of us having experienced gaming micro PCs and all the fine print of that experience before. And some of us also generally prefer the intuitive comforts of console gaming to the perennially whimsical PC environment where you can barely even install an already downloaded game without sitting through the progress bar for what feels like the umpteenth copy/version of DirectX on your machine. I have quite a history with PC games and this history is being written to this day, but I'll always be a console gamer - and a portable console gamer - where I can help it.
@Moistnado unless these chips were also cheaper, it's pretty clear why Nintendo went with Tegra X1. They won't sell consoles at a loss like Sony does, and many folks lost their marbles even over the $300 pricetag way back when. Besides, from what I understand, a more advanced chip alone won't necessarily alleviate all the added cooling/battery concerns that bumping Switch's specs even to PS4-PS4Pro range would require. While the inevitable successor console will inevitably more powerful, making it hybrid like Switch will never achieve anything smaller than Lite (or even the size of Lite) out the gate. Not if they still want to keep it affordable AND make money per unit.
The fact that Lite sales remain predictably more niche (outside the situations when it's the only model easily found in retail) also suggests little motivation on Nintendo's part to pursue that goal.
I don't get why so many people think the Steam Deck is comparable to the Switch. It's not a console, it's a PC, you can't detach the controllers, it's not a hybrid, there are plenty of other differences. It's not really comparable to the Switch.
@dewokkel true and also way more cheaper than switch version of every third party game.
@Neoicelord well consoles are heading in that direction, too
Steam Deck does NOT compete with Nintendo Switch
change my mind
@Ventilator If you can't tell the difference between lifting something and holding something up for extended time, then you're eventually going to have a bad time.
Although I guess SD's battery life won't really allow for any serious gaming sessions anyway.
@clianvXAi oh good point. The steam sales are notoriously beter then what the e-shop provides 👍🏻
@6ch6ris6 in the near future, if the Steam Deck manages to steal away Switch users, thein it would indeed be a competitor
@Erigen even if the sticks drift they’ve made them modular and very easily buyable and replaceable on SteamDeck. Though the tear down suggested they are far more similar to the Sticks in the Switch Pro Controller/Xbox/PlayStation than they are the Switch JoyCons
The size and weight of this makes me realise again what a marvel the PS Vita was. Shame it wasn’t better supported. It’s still a great piece of hardware
@Preposterous It weights only less than 700 grams. People have to be weak to not be able to hold that for a long time.
To be fair my ancestors were vikings. Also shows in Winter Olympic medals winnings again in China. Strength.
It's not like switch Battery is any better. I'm lucky if i get 2-3 hours even on a simple Indie game.
Steam Deck battery can last up to 6 hours depending on game and settings.
Steam Deck seems perfect for emulation and also for Game Pass, if Microsoft releases the app for the stock OS. Obviously, great for your Steam library but I don't have that. It's going to be interesting what can be done considering the miracles I've seen on Nintendo 3DS.
@Ventilator I'll tell you what, I'm no strager to lifting heavy objects as well and my ancestors literally ate vikings for breakfast, but sometimes, after a long day at work, Switch begins to feel heavy in my hands and I have to play with joycons detached (it's good to have options like that). I kinda doubt that your average PC user will be able to hold Steam Deck for very long.
I figured he was the author of that piece. Yet it’s mostly not about the 3DS vs Vita, it’s about the Vita vs smartphones, so it doesn’t really make the claims you’re implying it does.
@Truegamer79 "Steam Deck" sounds like a strip club? Bizarre. Ironically, Nintendo has more claim to a connection with the seedier side of life, with their love hotels, than Valve has ever had. 1/10 troll, must try harder.
@Preposterous Well. I don't have problem holding heavy things for a long time after work.
Anyways. Vikings eats anyone in Winter Olympics every time over and over again. Shows how weak people outside Norway are when strength matters.
Still #1 after decades.
@Ventilator Thank you for these comments, you made my day.
And now you're my #1 candidate for the "most ridiculous comment read on NL" award. Norway stronk, indeed!
At 500 CAD$ for the base model with only 64 gig of memory it’s not worth it , you can put what one or two of games in it and it will work like crap at low settings I will stay with my switch.
@Preposterous Never heard of the word stronk, so i guess it's a English word and not American?
Here is some proof, so i guess will stop laughing then.
Anyways. Have a nice day.
The only issue hampering the Steam Deck at the moment is not knowing if some of the games you currently own on Steam would even work on that thing. Some who bought it just so to turn it into a portable PC had a much better experience but with the Steam Deck lacking USB ports and LAN adapter port it could be a downer as well since you can't use a USB keyboard or mouse with the device. Everything had to be done through bluetooth and bluetooth could only support so many devices. Also with no USB ports means you also can't add additional storage to the device also aside from the microSD card option. The only solution for those wanting to turn this into a PC is buying a third party dock for it and hope it came with a LAN and multiple USB ports. While this is way more powerful than something like the GPD Win 3, at least the Win 3 came with Windows built in along with microSD and USB support (making it easier to transfer games and data from your PC to the system) as well as a built in keyboard and dock support as well.
Saying this will kill the Switch is going too far, especially since this looks expensive, big and heavy.
But remember that the reason why portables like Game Gear, N-Gage, PSP, and Vita failed to defeat Nintendo, is because while those were more powerful than the Game Boy and DS portables, they lacked games, power is nothing without games.
This is where the Steam Deck shines, it was just released, and it already has a better library than the Switch.
Lmao some of the comments talking about PC games not running well at launch (as if Switch ports haven’t been trash as well) or how this is just another vita (being out done by the technically inferior Nintendo console).
Steams library is massive. And affordable. I love my switch and think Nintendo makes amazing games. However, the biased and misinformed comments are just funny. The steam deck does basically everything better than the switch except local multiplayer, lacking Nintendo exclusives, and not having an OLED screen. Gaming is an expensive hobby, but if you can afford both, appreciate both. Switch gamers go head over heels when old PC games are ported over and sold for $60 when you could buy a better version for $5-10 on PC. The reality is, the steam deck is doing a lot better than the switch, but the switch itself does many things the deck will never have. Both are great, but we can’t ignore the glaring truths/pros/cons about either one.
@nhSnork They say it's like the Wii U because it's massive and bulky like the gamepad. Obviously they know what the Wii U is.
As a parent who doesn’t have a lot of time for personal gaming I’m excited to get this. As I slowly play through some games on the switch, mostly indie Eshop games, I really miss achievements. There is no way for me to look at a list of achievements to see which games I played to the end. I like the idea that I will be able to have a portable pc to play my steam games (which have gone neglected for years) so I can earn achievements and track my progress. Especially if life gets busy and I put a game down for a bit I can be reminded I already beat that one and play something else.
@nhSnork it isn't cost effective for Nvidia to make old inefficient chips. You have it all back to front.
@moodycat watch the Phawx videos. He says it's very plug and play unless you want to tinker
@Mauzuri but it can play playstation and xbox exclusives like GOW and FH
There's a lot if misinformation in these comments. If you have a large Steam catalog then this is an inexpensive way playing it on the go.
The OS is not complete which sucks but it's ongoing
There’s currently a comparison video doing the rounds comparing the Switch OLED with the Steam deck, both and running Hades and the Switch OLED is noticeably better.
How much does it cost?
@Moistnado said it before, I’ll say it again. Hi,me a lite that plugs into the tv!
@Res462 Fair enough, but I always remember that article because prior to it, he was an unabashed defender of the Vita at all costs. His criticisms of the 3DS were often exeduarted. To the point where even when the writing was on the wall for Vita, that was a sinking ship he'd proudly go down with.
I guess my main overarching point was intended to be his analytical foresight of the situation and trends at the time was hopelessly pathetic.
Definitely want one of these, but can't really justify another gaming console, especially when I'm going to have to release my ancient PC in the near future anyway.
Games are on cd or cardrige ?
Runs emulators well and runs 3rd party games better than the switch? I'm sold.
That reminds me, I must add "Nintendo cult" to my bingo card...
Im gonna skip the Deck. I don't like Steam, it's messy and inconvenient, and the Deck seem to be more of that, were you have to consult guides and stuff just to get the games running. Not for me as a console gamer.
Further more, doesn't interest me in the slightest if Switch "only" has 10.000 games while Steam has 100.000 games. Switch has more great games than I have time to play anyway, so I'm not buying another console just to get even more games to my backlog.
Leatherman tools are not supposed to REPLACE any of your existing tools, they’re an all in one emergency tool to be used in a pinch, jeez! That was a completely unfair analogy, and it diminishes the rugged handiness of the Leatherman tool. 0/10, Leatherman DISPRAPROVED!
I know some people are getting carried away with this and thinking it will really dent the switch's sales for some reason. I do think those people need to put it into perspective though as it is going after a much different market and it also isn't going on sale in general retailers now or probably ever so even the lowest spec model which isn't much more expensive than the OLED Switch probably won't sell as much as some seem to think and the other two models are far more expense and more than either the PS5 or the Series X which will really stop it getting mainstream appeal. I personally really want one as I have a large Steam library but I am also hesitant to get one as I am positive after they get a good production run going they will do yearly hardware revisions.
For me, the Deck is just jack of all trades that just doesn't get any of it right. While the Switch is just small enough to be somewhat convenient to take on the go, Deck is about as portable as a 15-inch laptopwith no battery life. As Switch is comfortable even for long portable play thanks to table top-mode with the kickstand, Deck is handheld-only and can therefor in my opinion only be used with comfort for like 30 minutes or so. Renders it kinda bad for portable play...which is a real problem as it's clearly designed for that in mind. Further more, it doesn't neither get the docked play right. No dock included, and also inconvenient to "switch" between docked an portable, as it doesn't work with a slide-in dock as the Nintendo Switch.
And for some reason they cheaped put on the display even on the 649USD premium version....why???
Leathermen? Didn't know there was a pc gaming niche in that scene.
Anyways, this looks like a good device. Is it competing with the switch or those other of portables?
As with most Ninty device comparisons price and / or battery power are factors.
However, it would be interesting to see if this does make a dent in switch sales. A bit of competition is good.
(And as for people bigging up the switch on a Nintendo fan site...)
@Banjo- If Gamepass comes to it, then that is a must buy for me. Also despite having a tower PC it is not great and this would be a huge upgrade.
Actually, is this a switch competitor at all? Would it not be an Xbox competitor if Game Pass ran on it? Or even just a desktop pc competitor?
If price is disregarded, wouldn't a top-end pc be a ps5 competitor?
@Yakuboto Neither, games come from the Steam Library.
@ModdedInkling they sure love their non-Nintendo news more than anything. Maybe this site could rename itself? I think success turns off their writers, so Nintendo has to be failing to get their attention. IGN writes better Nintendo content, including Peer Schneider.
For me this is absolutely competition for the Switch but:
When I think Valve and Steam, customer service does not roll off the tongue. That will probably keep me from ever being interested.
Anyone here ever had a dispute with Steam or Valve? They literally don’t have customer service.
@Rambler it’s a Trojan house to get PC gamers onto Linux or Steam OS and away from Windows. Gabe knows what market he wants to grab, it isn’t console gamers. If he wanted them, the Steam Deck would be tremendously different and not release Portal on the Switch. The Switch found a home with everyone really. Look at it from this perspective, when someone who isn’t tech savvy, chooses between a smartphone/tablet versus a PC, they’ll likely choose the former over the latter. Mobile operating systems (Android and iOS) dwarf PC/Mac/Linux combined. The Switch is the “mobile” version of the hybrid, whereas the Steam Deck is the “PC” of portable gaming.
You’re going to have to install OS though. I mean yeah, it’s just a PC. But what a silly pain In the ass and what a waste to put windows on it.
@BlueMonk it’s only competition if they have an existing Steam library they actively use. While Steam has over a billion users, millions of accounts have been left dormant or abandoned over the years since PC usage was dying against mobile devices. Sure, the pandemic gave it a good shot, but we live in the post-PC world.
I’m someone who has to have a Mac, I can’t function solely off my iPhone. I still believe in the PC, but it’s utility has changed compared to what it used to be. This device is going to sell well, but 95% of the Switch audience (or 85% of the combined console market) isn’t going to care about it.
@BlueMonk you can use Steam OS, that’s preinstalled and Proton has really done an excellent job too. I’m not putting Windows on it ever.
Also, I’m never getting rid of my Switch for it either.
Finally a companion article for all the endless BoTW mod ones!
@BlueMonk Only to get a lovely refund which was instant. Better customer service than Nintendough right there alone.
@Fath Dude thanks. Just woke up from what felt like a coma LOL, have a great day/night
Might look into it somewhere down the line. Right now I just started my new job and have many other priorities first, including a new PC (my current is from 2014 lol)
I was thinking of getting this instead of a new computer until my old computer broke
@RasandeRose These are all the reasons I don't see the use for it. It's way too bulky to be a portable, the Switch is kinda already at the upper limit of what's comfortable for prolonged use. So they should have leaned into the tabletop concept, which to me is the real selling point of the Switch.
@Yorumi Yeah, understood
Maybe I read his comment wrong, I assumed that @Yakuboto was asking if the Steam Deck had a disc drive or ran games directly from a cartridge.
@ArcticEcho Wait till you see one in real life, suddenly you need one no matter how bulky it is. When I had my Vita and changed to the Switch it was the same worry.
Say what you want about IGN, but I found Seth Macy's review to be very thorough and helpful. Dedicated gaming consoles are king because that's what they are designed to do from the ground up: play games. Turn it on, pick a game, and you're in. Steam Deck, even though designed to play games, is a PC first.
Seth spent a lot of time just trying to get some games to run at all, had games fails to boot, had to do a fair amount of googling, and experienced a wide range of performance. At this moment, it only runs Steam OS competently and the games that run well are pointed out by Valve. Games from external launchers and the like are hard to get running, if at all. It's like you don't know if a game will run well until you boot it up and find out. Not that I care much about performance or fidelity, mind you. These are things that will most certainly be fixed in future updates, but it seems pretty clear that this product is targeted toward a specific crowd of PC players.
I'm very casual and only have Nintendo platforms, but if I were more of a techy PC kind of person who is open to new and challenging gaming experiences, I would be all over this. It does look really, REALLY cool and the idea of playing through some of those big, blockbuster smash hits in bed or on the bus or on my lunch break is an exciting one, though that battery life leaves something to be desired. I'll be eager to see the general public's first impressions!
My Steam Deck is comming Q2 to me!
I cannot wait!!!!
I have 33 Switch games, but I have 201 Steam games.
I play Steam more than Switch, because my preferred games are there, and, unfortunatly not on Switch.
If Soulcalibur VI, Tekken 7, Guilty Gear Strive, King of Fighter XV, Dirt Rally, Forza Horizon 5, Elden Ring, Unreal Tournament 3 (i still play it every week), Magic Arena (50% of my play time is playing magic arena), Dead or Alive 6............
....more Game Pass...
...more all of this FREE ONLINE and perfect netcode....
if this was all on the nitnendo switch, I wouldn't have bought the Steam Deck!
In home, 80% my play time is playing on PC and 20% Switch.
On the Go: 100% Switch.
But with the Steam Deck here, I don´t Know anymore.
I am going with the cult of Nintendo, and apparently stating you do not think the Steam Deck will be any competition to the Switch, will automatically make you a lifetime member.
@Zeropulse Similar situation here. I have a cool thin laptop (top-tier Surface Laptop 4) but it's not good enough for gaming so I'm seriously consider getting Steam Deck as a new-gen open Vita/3DS.
@KIRO yeah, I'd like a switch lite that actually "switches"
@Moistnado Ha ha, me too, I have the Switch Lite but well it doesn't switch and now I want the Steam Deck.
@johnvboy are there robes and ceremonies? Sacrifices perhaps? Or is it just a classic case of “how dare you disagree with me??!??!??! Heretic!”
If pushed, I would go with the latter, although robes and ceremonies sound far more fun, perhaps some are upset they are not invited.
Good point on Portal - that's not Valve trying to compete with Nintendo.
Proton is a wine-like compatibility layer isn't it? But yes, it won't be all be plain sailing out of the box I imagine, depending on preferences.
@johnvboy shouldn’t jest really, gaming is a very serious business.
You're guessing wrong then. I've got 500hrs Civ 6, 300hrs Hearts of Iron, 200hrs Squad. Steam is well known for being a mess.
Yeah, Switch with some kind of silicon grips on the joy-cons and it's OK for playing handheld for an hour or two. But I always turn it tabletop if I plan to play undocked for prolonged periods, like 2-3hrs. I hate the feeling of making the Switch super-long like with Hori Split Pad, it feels like a snowboard. As you say, Switch already reaches the upper limit for what size I can accept for a handheld. Deck is almost twice the mass and over 600 grams...
I feel like this console won't be as successful as expected. Unless Valve themselves comes out and publicly states 'this is not a Nintendo switch alternative' (which they won't). Its the same business plan that has failed for other companies in the past 30 years, which is basically 'build a better specced gameboy'. Atari used it, Sega used it, Sony used it, many more. The same type of audiences that raved about those systems seem to be the same that are raving about the Steam deck. It's one thing if you sit around and say 'This blows Nintendo's [insert handheld name] away', and another thing to actually buy the system. People that like Nintendo systems buy them. People that like these other systems don't buy those systems... but they sure are loud about how much better it is than the Nintendo system. It has been the same dialogue for over 30 years.
@Dpishere also, THE ORANGE BOX
Nope, sorry, it doesn't just work. Many games, you just install them on Steam and want to play, then they wont start by the steam luncher. You troubleshoot it and you get the info that you manually have to download community made patches that might or might not work etc.
Seem to be the same thing with Deck as it is with Steam on Windows, just worse. As I said, I'm not interested in wasting my time on such things, I prefer to play on console where everything just works by default. I don't care if the game costs 29.99 on Steam while 59.99 on console, I'm just happy that it always just works on consoles like Switch. But I do think Deck might be a just fine product for PC-players who are very used to coping with the mess anyway.
Nope, I couldn't have. Switch is very straight forward and well-optimized software & UI-wise. Everything is easy to find, and the games starts every time.
@RasandeRose they start, but the 10 year old ports usually cost 80% more than steam version, they are also low quality compared with what steam deck will provide.
How does PSO2:New Genesis and Tales of Arise play on it though?
I have a ginormous steam library. I will likely pick one up down the road. Let them get some stuff tweaked etc. I have 2 kids under 10 and portability is sometimes my only way to game.
Why worry about them then, and surely it's up to them if they want to defend their favorite console etc, I know there are many Playstation and Xbox owners who are also pretty defensive of their favorite machine.
And as I stated in a previous post a lot of this is instigated by the articles themselves, which do tend to set up some sort of competition between the Steam Deck and Switch, it's only natural that some will take the bait.
@hakjie11 If it gets redesigned with a kickstand maybe, as is, it's a hard pass.
So, am I right in saying that Steamdeck will have first party Microsoft and SONY games on it because it's a PC?
@GrailUK technically yes, it will
@anoyonmus See, it's obviously going to find success. It won't be as mainstream as Switch, but certainly will put distance between itself and all the other modular, hybrid things that get spotlighted on this website from time to time.
Elden Ring is the game that everyone pretends that Breath of the Wild is and
The Steam Deck is the console everyone pretends the Switch is.
Looks absolutely amazing.
I'll be capping all games to 30fps, rendering at 600p with FSR upscaling, and hitting 3 hrs for most AAA games. Less demanding games will be 30fps at 800p.
Just sucks my preorder is estimated "After Q2" which means waiting until September or October. Ah well.
Those 6 months will likely do me well. Only 50 games were verified a month ago. At launch its over 800. By October it could be 5,000 which is more games than the entire Switch library combined. And it'll give them time to patch and refine, fix bugs, etc. The experience is going to be glorious once I get my Deck in hand.
Suspect this is going to bring a lot of console warring though. Childish Nintendo haters using Deck as a club to bash Switch fans over the head with, childish Nintendo fanboys hating on it to mask their insecurity about Deck... it's gonna be brutal, as it always is with idiots on the internet.
But I will simply block those morons and focus on real discussion with level headed gamers who can appreciate both Switch and SteamDeck.
No, it's nothing wrong with specifically my computer, it's compatibility issues within Windows and versions of Windows, and software issues related to Steam, and thats the point with me saying Im not interested in a Steam-computer device, Im a console player. It's in other words universal problems within playing on PC and Steam. You're denying what everyone knows about Steam and playing on PC. It won't get you any points to deny the reality for what it is.
However, that short battery life on steam deck had me lose interest in it though.
I doubt I'll ever get this as I'm not much of a PC gamer, but I hope in 2023 or 2024 Nintendo comes out with a more powerful Switch so we can continue to get big titles on the console that are starting to bypass it now.
That’s not the metric anymore my friend.
Can it run Cyberpunk is the better question lol.
I have to wonder if people here think that every time a new gaming laptop comes out, they think it's competing with their console of choice and outright calling it a failure. That's not how PCs work. That's all the Steam Deck is. It's a gaming "laptop" but in a form factor inspired by the Switch. Even if it is a commercial failure (and looking at how the launch has been, it's not) it still wont matter as it is a PC. Games will keep coming out for the PC, people will keep buying games for the PC, this is just a different way to play those games for those who want to play that way.
If you don't want one, cool! That's your call. But lets not pretend this is some stupid console war thing.
I think the Deck is perfect for long term PC gamers who have amassed a huge collection of games.
Unfortunately, I left PC gaming at a time where Steam wasn’t the be all end all store it is today. It was getting big at the time, but I had a large collection of games on PC-DVD and PC-CD. My steam library is pathetically small. I actually downloaded the steam client to my MacBook a few months ago just to see what I had bought all those years ago. I owned five games on Steam.
For me, as much as I like the Deck, I don’t think it would do me much good. I prefer to play on a TV or a monitor. And the Deck just isn’t powerful enough to satisfy me as a PC in that regard. And I have a sizable (by my standards anyway) library on my Switch. It suffices and does it’s job as a complement to my PS5, which is my primary platform.
If I decide to get back into PC gaming, I’ll be building the desktop of my dreams. Something that can run the most demanding games at 60fps or higher. Something that runs multiplayer games at 144 fps to match the monitor I would want to pair with it. Until then, I’m satisfied with my PS5 and my Switch.
Sheesh lots of comments here bringing out “Nintendo cultists” and such if you don’t have anything purely positive to say about the Deck when it objectively isn’t all positive as many reviewers have pointed out.
Does that make those people “Valve cultists” then if they are that offended?
Battery life definitely falls short compared to Switch, but it is comparable to v1 Switch, and we all made that work for years.
While it's possible the battery can drain in under 2 hrs, that's only if you're not using the tools provided to cap power draw (which is definitely something you should be doing on a handheld).
For example, I'll be keeping the system level Frame Limiter at 30 fps permanently. Across the board. Just because it can do 60 doesn't mean it should. And I'm going to render all AAA games at 600p and keep the system level FSR on at all times to upscale to 800p (unless the game has built in FSR, in which case I'll use that over the system level FSR, so it keeps UI font at native res). And I'll be running at low or medium Settings, depending.
That right there should ensure 3 hrs for most modern AAA games. Which is what v1 Switch offered (2.5 hrs for Breath of the Wild on max brightnes). Obviously the 4.5 - 5 hrs we see on Switch OLED is much better, but, I made due for v1 Switch and I can make due for SteamDeck as well.
But that's why I didn't buy a Win 3 or Aya Neo. Besides the fact they cost 2-4x as much as a Deck, they also don't have these kinds of system level tools to easily extend battery life. And their chips aren't as performant. So battery life was a dealbreaker on those systems (I own a Win 2 and ya, Windows handheld gaming sucks battery like no other). SteamDeck cracking 3 hrs on modern AAA games like Elden Ring, Horizon Zero Dawn, Control, God of War, Forza Horizon 5, etc. That's doable. It could be better, and hopefully in a few years Deck 2 will improve on that. But imo, they've crossed the threshold of minimum battery life necessary to make it viable to the end user.
Also, because it's Steam, you can map mouse to gyro for any game with aiming. Which means all these games will now be playable handheld with gyro, just like on Switch. And when paired with Switch, the SteamDeck + SwitchOLED make for a seriously powerful combo. Nintendo exclusives, PS exclusives and Xbox exclusives all playable handheld with gyro. All the modern AAA multiplats playable handheld with gyro. GameCube and Wii, PS2 and PSP playable in HD handheld (which I can do on Win 2 right now, but it'll get much better battery on Deck).
I got the 512GB model, but that $399 option is crazy good for someone just looking to buy in cheap. Load times on microSD are comparable to the NVMe SSD, and it's hot swappable, so you can eject the microSD and put another one in on the fly. Great for keeping a large Steam library across multiple 1TB micro SD cards. But ya, $399 for this is INSANE. Absolutely unbelievable price. Aya Neo Next is $1,500 and is barely half as powerful.
@Arawn93 I'm buying Portal for Switch day 1. Why can't we all get along?
@JaxonH Stop it Jax! I want one...but can't afford one...
There's at least a 6 month wait time, and only $5 down to reserve
By the time they send the invitation email to order I'll likely be the end of the year (I reserved within 2 hrs of preorders going live and even I'm looking at October as an ETA). That's a good chunk of time to save up.
Dont mind me, I'm just the voice in your head whispering into your ear 😀
And I'll just drop this here 😉
@Neoicelord Cyberpunk says hello. On launch the PC version was much better than its console counterparts, and still is.
What you're saying is largely untrue, I have a gaming PC, Switch, and a Series X and tbh 99% of the time I double click a PC game in Windows 10 and it loads immediately and works perfectly, just like a console. In fact in some cases it seems better, with less forced updates etc if I just wanna play a game right now.
Having said that I do love the convenience of the Switch and the SeriesX in particular. Being able to switch games quickly and easily with the controller, and quick resume in particular is a big deal.
Quick resume is so good, that the PC version of a game would have to be significantly better than the SeriesX version for me to play on the PC instead. Which to be fair, some are, like FH5 and Microsoft Flight Sim, but generally speaking I do love the convenience and pick up and play factor of the SeriesX. Quick resume is great, and something even a very powerful PC can't do. FPS boost is superb too, and definitely takes the SeriesX closer to what a good gaming PC can deliver.
That's OK by me, I hardly ever buy ports to play on my Switch. I wouldn't buy a handheld console with the intent of getting the best graphics anyway, I buy Nintendo consoles to play mostly Nintendo games. You won't get the best graphics on Deck neither.
@JaxonH ...i hate you...
@JaxonH Agreed, I am absolutely astonished at the power of this thing compared to FAR more expensive alternatives like the Aya Neo. I mean, the Steam Deck basically renders all the competitors redundant. Much cheaper, much more powerful, and as you said the kind of slick system level features you'd expect from a good console.
Here's the problem it has.
1. Battery life worse then Switch
2. You own no games or Digital download
3. Requires Constant Internet
4. No replacement for Switch-delusional
5. $$$ anyone
6. Controls not user Friendly.
7. Portable don't make me bust a nut laughing
8. No TV output so why even compare to Switch-Grabbing for Straws
GPD went unhinged over the SteamDeck.
They started posting all this slander and FUD about it, trying to marginalize the Deck and make it seem as if it wasn't as good, and they kept using piracy as the reason. They started bashing capitalism and saying Valve doesn't care about the consumer like they do, and Win 3 is so much better for pirated games.
It was so embarrassing. They know their device was just relegated irrelevant and they're having mental breakdowns because of it. Even most of the GPD subreddit was shaking their heads in disappointment over their reaction.
@mrMike thx !
@FishyS for me it’s appealing because I am attached to Mac ecosystem for my laptop. I don’t want to have a whole other laptop for gaming so steam deck is appealing for me. If it were easier for me to switch to another laptop I’d just do that though
@SwitchForce I don’t think these are all correct. I don’t believe it requires constant internet and it does indeed have tv output, it just doesn’t come with a dock
@mrMike yup that what i was asking
1 Battery life is worse than Switch v2. But it's as good if not better than v1. And we all made that work before v2 released. And we can make due with Deck also.
2 You do own games. The overwhelming majority of gamers prefer digital. If that's not you, that's fine. But most ppl prefer it. Especially on PC where digital games will last forever.
3 That's a lie. There is no mandated internet connection. Clearly you don't understand how PC gaming or Steam works, so perhaps you should just keep quiet about things you're hot educated about
4 Who cares if it's a "replacement" or not. For most it won't be. For a few it will be. For most it will be a complement (because normal ppl aren't about picking teams like rabid sports fans- you can own and enjoy two systems at once)
5 $399 for a handheld that runs games at similar graphical fidelity to a PS4 is insane. It's barely more expensive than a Switch. And less expensive than PS5 and Series X. But ya, gaming devices cost money. Switch costs money, PS costs money, Xbox costs money, and Deck costs money. That kinda should go without saying
6 That's also a lie. Controls are perfectly user friendly. It works the same as any other console game. In fact, the controls are MORE user friendly since it allows gyro aiming for any game that needs it.
7 It is portable. It's not pocketable, but it's most definitely portable. It comes with a case which is all you need to transport it.
8 There is TV output. They literally showed it before Deck even released. And they're releasing an official Dock. So... ya. That's a lie also.
@SwitchForce There are going to be instances where particular games are optimised for Switch but not so much the Steam Deck I'm sure. PC gets it's fair share of naff ports because it's not one unified architecture. Maybe devs will update games specifically for SD (or maybe Valve will, dunno.)
@RasandeRose I have 32 consoles since 1979. All consoles ir here on my game room while typing to you. But, today, I prefer PC than consoles. I think to be a PC a giant praise.
I have never, in all these years, had a problem with any steam game. On the contrary. It's extremely simple. I click on the icon and the game opens immediately. I don't know if your problems are because of your PC. My PC costs the price of a car, so I don't know how to compare things. But today, Steam on my PC is the #1 way I play games when I'm at home. My wife is also a gamer (more than me), the PC I built for her is even better than mine. And it's also her number one way to play games. And we have 32 consoles here. From the oldest to all of the current generation: xbox series s, ps5 and Switch.
For me the Steam deck being called PC doesn't depreciate it, on the contrary, it exalts it!
I have 33 switch games, only 2 are Nintendo Games: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and WarioWare Get it Together. So if your taste for gaming is only nitnendo games, any Nintendo console will be the best for you! But that doesn't mean that the Steam deck can be the best on the go option for other people.
To be honest, the Switch is not a console to put in your pocket. Far from it. I carry it in a case. Same thing with the Steam Deck.
When my Steam Deck arrives I will compare.
Most of my nintendo switch wishlist games also have on Steam: Disgaea 5 complete, Monster Train First Class, Faeria, Shovel Knight, Griftlands etc... but all of these games are musch more cheaper on steam.
From Nintendo, on my wishlist I only have Advance Wars 1+2 and Mario Strikers.
At the very least, emulators will be optimised for Steam Deck because this thing is what the community was asking for, a powerful handheld device that doesn't even need to be hacked. It works now but I expect a lot of optimisation:
Also, more comfortable in your hands than Switch according to Digital Foundry:
@Mauzuri I'd say the switch is expensive considering the specs it has , would be able to get games alot cheaper with this aswell so you would probably end up saving money in the long run
@MichaelP technically the Steam Deck can be a hybrid as well you can connect it to an external tv or monitor and play it just like a switch. Think there even gonna release a dock for this very purpose.
That second point makes good sense. The Steam Deck has a contoured body and is significantly “thicker” than the Switch. It’s controls are also full sized, similar to a PS4 or Xbone controller in terms of size with the sticks and buttons.
However, a Switch can be made comfortable. Namely replacing the joycon with third party alternatives that are contoured with handles and feature full size controls.
The joycon are the main reason the Switch is uncomfortable for handheld play. When you replace them with something like the Hori Split Pad pro, it becomes far more comfortable.
@Raffles >What you're saying is largely untrue, I have a gaming PC, Switch, and a Series X and tbh 99% of the time I double click a PC game in Windows 10 and it loads immediately and works perfectly, just like a console. In fact in some cases it seems better, with less forced updates etc if I just wanna play a game right now.
Sorry but that's nonsense, if you want to get the best experience on PC you will need to tweak things, unless your PC is an absolute beast and you can fire and forget. I own a pretty good gaming laptop, and I do need to tweak things if I want to play latest games. This is doubly true for Steam Deck which is much lower end specs wise, you will definitely need to get used to tweaking your settings to have an ideal experience, unless devs start releasing "Steam Deck" settings which you can trust will work out of the box.
The market hasn’t had a truly pocketable console since the OG 3DS left the market. The 3DS XL was stretching my definition of pocketable, although it could be done with cargo pants or shorts.
The new generations of handhelds are meant to be carried in a case. I don’t own a single pair of pants with pockets big enough to accommodate my Switch V2. Even my cargo shorts can’t accommodate it’s size.
So I don’t see the Deck’s size as a real impediment. It’s larger than the Switch, but not dramatically so. It’ll fit in a case. Neither one will fit in the average pocket.
@Troll_Decimator You're talking about tinkering with settings, yes that's just part of PC gaming to get the best bang for buck PQ and performance.
What I'm saying is games just work, I click them, they open, they run perfectly - just like a console. Long gone are the days when PC games were more fuss and faf and you had to update drivers etc all the time. These days everything just works. Do consoles have some convenience and accessibility advantage over PCs? Sure, but even consoles these days can be annoyingly slow and cumbersome with forced updates etc. PC gaming and console gaming are closer than ever as far as overall usability etc.
I have a Ryzen 7 5800 and an RTX 3070, so yes my PC is good enough to run almost anything on max settings, but it only takes a few minutes to go into a menu and change the settings to your liking for the "best experience".
Again, I love the experience my SeriesX offers, the immediacy of quick resume and swapping between games within seconds, but it's absolute nonsense to suggest PC gaming is this huge hassle these days. It's easier and simpler than ever, and generally speaking everything just works.
I have no interest in an impractically shaped PC, but I get what excites people about the Deck.
@JaxonH Hahaha, that is nuts. I had no idea. Seems like a pretty surreal reaction from a hardware manufacturer
That’s what I read somewhere. But I also heard you can install Windows on the Deck. Does that circumvent that incompatibility issue though?
"Tinkering" on Steam Deck will be the equivalent of selecting Option>Graphics>Low Settings. And if you want decent battery, changing resolution to 600p.
That's it. Done and done.
I'm going to keep the system level frame limiter on 30 fps, and FSR on. Across the board. Any time I load a new game, just set to Low at 600p (Medium if it's less demanding, same for 800p if less demanding). That's not really enough to qualify as "tinkering"
Back in the day, ppl would meticulously dig through advanced graphics options changing things they didn't even understand, one factor at a time, trying to optimize. Those days are long gone. Presets cover you, and half the time the game auto detects your hardware and automatically applies the best settings. But even when they don't it takes 10 seconds to switch to Low settings at 600p.
I used to have all those preconceived notions until I got my newer PC, and realized most of my issues came down to running games my CPU/GPU couldn't handle on my 4ktv. Once I got a 2080 ti with i9 9900k, no more problems.
And Steam Deck won't have those problems either. Because it's rendering at such low resolution and settings. With a 30fps cap and Low-Medium settings, every verified game should just work. Although some games cab do much more (Doom Eternal on highest settings can still hold 60fps for example), I prefer to let that go to extra battery.
The Console istelf yes, but Games on Sale on the Switch are 70-100% over the PC-Price!
I like that people are a lot slower to call Nintendo "doomed" these days. They know better now, hehe.
@Erigen Possibly, but many review states how easy they are to replace. Like, the complete module can be replaced quite easilly, which is nice. Tho hopefully they just won't have drift issue
@JaxonH Good post I agree, as you said presets are very good these days and many games even auto detect hardware and adjust accordingly.
Have you tried emulation btw? It's great that Retroarch is even on Steam these days, should make things easier than ever.
@Yorumi Exactly. Through the entire PS4 generation I was gaming mainly on PCs and then Switch too.
I had CPUs like an i5 3570k and Ryzen 5 2600, with mid range GPUs too (such as 650ti, 7850, 1060, 1660 Super), and the same story - pretty much everything worked perfectly, just like a console.
You don't need a beast of a PC to have a great experience PC gaming. The flexibility is good. Game not running at 60? Just turn down some settings or the resolution, that's the biggest advantage PC gaming has imo, the sheer level of flexibility and customisation.
@nessisonett Are you hallucinating? Hardly anyone here has anything bad to say about the Stream Deck. I
I swear for every Nintendo fanboy there are one hundred commenters patting themselves on the back for being smarter than “everyone” else.
The fact that only a person or two consider "digital only" to be a flaw worth mentioning, makes me feel incredibly old. I guess I should start counting days until Nintendo debuts their all-digital system and I have to retire from video games altogether.
"You'll Own Nothing and You'll Be Happy."
People have been saying that about the Switch for years. Dated graphics and slow down. It will only get worse. Lol
Nintendo spoil me with the convenience of playing games at home and on the go, i can see a future were a steam deck and my switch satisfied all my gaming needs so i can start forgetting about sony and microsoft
It is funny, even those stating the Steam deck is no competition for the Switch, are only stating the obvious, this website loves those clicks though.
I have never seen the Switch as a handheld, maybe the lite, but the regular Switch has always been marketed by Nintendo as a home console that can be used as a handheld, I remember the reveal trailer, where the guy is playing Zelda on the T.V, then he takes the Switch out of the dock to take outside when he walks his dog.
I do play in handheld mode when my other half is hogging the T.V, but would never take the console outside.
They have to promote pirating games, cause none of their customers have any money left to buy games with after they've paid $1300 for the device xD
I love the idea but I think I'll wait for a second version. I'm mostly happy with just my Switch but I may pick one of these up if I want something more. Definitely more likely to than a PS or Xbox.
Well, 'PC Master race'-folk are fanboys too you know. Just as Nintendo/Sony/Xbox fanboys gets mad when you write you're not interested in their brand, PC-master race boys gets mad if you write that you prefer to play on console over PC.
Handheld gaming is my favorite way to play games, so the idea of the Steam Deck is great. However, public perception is more important than the facts. Consider the Wii U. I personally loved it, but the public didn't understand it (much less buy it). The Steam Deck faces the public perception of being a Switch challenger despite the devices being like apple to oranges. The biggest draw of the Steam Deck is buying cheaper games and playing them on the couch. I have a small Steam library of old PC games (Commander Keen, Monkey Island) that I access through a Microsoft Surface. Ultimately, I don't play them often because I need to sit at a table and connect a mouse first. The Steam Deck could be a revelation. Even so, it would live alongside my Switch, PS4, Xbox One X, Wii U, and other Nintendo handhelds. I don't see it replacing anything I own.
Ya. I don’t emulate much tbh, and really only mess with Dolphin and PPSSPP, since they’re so finely tuned and the games look good in HD. But retroarch is a nice option. I typically stay away from it just because it’s so obtuse, requiring BIOS cores and separate settings for each emulated core, but it’s an easy access option and that’s good. I’ll probably just install Dolphin and PPSSPP and add to Steam. Triangle Strategy has me itching to play Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (One Vision mod)
@Azuris yeah but then the console is so much more expensive in the first place, especially if you want the better version.
It really depends what you're into. For me it doesn't matter that Dragon Age is cheap on Steam, games like Zelda and Pokemon aren't on it at all.
So if you're into PC gaming it's great. But if not, Switch is cheaper and more accessible upfront. And that's absolutely fine, it gives choice which is always a positive.
@Raffles Yes, absolutely, don't get me wrong, you are right, setting up a PC game correctly is easier than ever now in most cases, however, the thing is, the vast majority of people are not even willing to go into a menu and select "low" settings, they just want their game to play out of the box, pop it in, or download it and it's ready to play. We are enthusiasts so we do not represent the lowest common denominator that console games are made for.
Look at Immortals: Fenyx Rising for instance, before you even start the game, you have to pick a few options, which are mostly self explanatory, and then optionally log into your uPlay. All this stuff has already been proven to put people off, and it's much simpler than PC settings. Basically even the most minor friction before the game starts is not ideal for a mass market product.
Its definitely going to be hard to stop the momentum the switch has in terms of "dooming" Nintendo, even with the original wii it felt like things slowed down a few years in and the wiiu, didn't have the initial push the wii had going for it (not helped by a really bad reveal trailer. The switch felt kind of like Nintendo taking various aspects from their systems which worked and combining them, more of an evolution than a revolution alongside an emphasis on letting players choose how to play was refreshing after how restrictive a lot of wii games felt (an example being how a lot of first party games didnt support the classic or pro controller)
i feel like the main thing holding the switch back at this point is less of a case of it being "doomed" and more that it does feel like as more developers transition to the ps5 and xbox one then there will be more games that will either miss the system or end up cloud based due to the power gap widening.
as mentioned in another topic im definitely hoping nintendos next system ends up being like what the 3ds was to the ds, taking the switch's core concept (in this case being a hybrid) and refining it.
edit: just realized how much of a ramble this was, i apologise.
I don't think the transition to PS5 and X-Series will be that big of a problem. Sony and Microsoft are holding that evolution back themselves, PS4 and Xbox One will still be the base-line for most games for years to come, which makes the transition to Switch not that hard.
So far, most -if not all- Xbox Series and PS5 games only sports higher resolutions and framerates, the basic game designs remains compatible to lower-end devices like Xbox One and Switch. Hell, even the Xbox Series S is performance-wise more in line with Xbox One than Xbox Series X...
Microsoft wants Game Pass to work on everything. That means Xbox One will remain the base line for most of their games, maybe this entire generation. So far, this new generations of consoles has been all quality of life and resolutions, the sheer tech itself haven't done any major leap at all, all the games are made to scale down to last gen-level.
@FishyS What benefit would there be to a more powerful Switch? The games weren’t designed to take advantage of a more powerful Switch, new games would still have to work on the original Switch and battery life would be decreased. I am just not seeing the benefit here.
yeah that is a good point.
i imagine by the time a theoretical more powerful switch comes out it wouldn't really need to be a massive jump to close the gap somewhat between it and the ps4/xbox one (as opposed to the ps5/xsx) i am definitely interested in what lies ahead for the switch.
@Yorumi Well, people were trusting Comixology until Comixology 4.0 happened.
It just takes a company like Tencent or something to purchase Valve once Gabe gets bored or dies and a mandatory Steam update with malware access to your system's files to endanger those Steam libraries.
@Preposterous I keep seeing this brought up a lot, but the steam decks battery life estimate is the same as the original launch model switch, the one that we had up until 2019.
As somebody whose switch is an original launch model, I'm not bothered by the battery life on it or the steam deck.
Remember those FAILED steam machines from Valve...lol I do, but really don't care to Remember. Gamestop couldn't give them away.
Nintendo Switch is at over 105 Million units sold and Counting; in Fact, Nintendo Switch will Definitely Outsell the ps4 and gameboy/gameboy color THIS YEAR.
Can your precious steam deck do that!?!!
@Crono1973 In terms of more powerful Switch, I just want a new console which is back-compatible and can play all my current Switch games but also allows a few more 'modern' ports that don't run like garbage; And maybe Nintendo could even make a few games with better graphic options. I don't know if any of that will ever happen, I was just saying I would buy it even if it was more expensive. 😝 Which is slightly hypocritical of me since I was saying Steam Deck was too expensive.
@BTB20 And it Won't Sell Nowhere Near as Good as The Nintendo Switch is Doing.
I wouldn't be surprised if the steam deck died off like the steam machines LOL!
@FishyS steam deck is OVERRATED, Overpriced, and Oversized! Especially for NO Exclusives.
@NintendoEternity The Steam Deck can’t remotely get those numbers because it’s aimed at a niche enthusiast market where a significantly small fraction of Steam users /handheld enthusiasts might bite it. Compared to the Switch it’s
All the above points pretty much kills any chance it could have to break mainstream market especially when trying to attract non PC enthusiasts.
The Deck could still be “successful” in the atmosphere of “portable PC” market with modest sales of a few million lifetime, but people are Meme posting if they actually think the Steam Deck will impact Nintendo directly and “give them competition” or my personal favorite “make them release a Switch Pro”. The “Steam Deck will make the OLED flop” doom posting already crashed and burned.
I do not care what people say but Steam deck runs better, looks better than switch Port-games. Nintendo surely has its exclusive but since I can play it on the go with Steam Deck with cloud saving, I already see Steam deck as a win because Steam offer a regional price for games. I don't need to pay four times amount of money for some games. Definitely worth its price and it's cheaper than buying 20fps version of the Switch Port-Games.
@SwaySnivy actually there has already been some YouTube comparison videos dropped where some Switch games are better then the PC equivalents on the Deck since as we all know PC port optimization is not known for their consistency depending on who handles the port job
Some people are really upset over literally nothing in this comment section. Fanaticism runs rampant.
I am looking forward to the day when people start complaining about the next iPhone being a Switch killer when it isn't even close.
@Arawn93 holy cope and seethe, if you're going to make a claim like that you could at least mention the YouTubers.
No amount of "console optimization" is going to result in the switch's basically 2015 hardware out-competing the steam deck in any meaningful capacity. You're just delusional at this point.
@Jackuu I’m not the one coping and seething like you because heaven forbid anyone dares bring up that the Steam Deck isn’t the perfect 10/10 game machine which it clearly isn’t.
Oh wait people have since for awhile already been doing objective breakdown on the machine/how it runs games/comparison videos/etc which separates the fanboy crap and tells it how it is. If you don’t like it when people don’t just say positive things about the machine maybe next time stick to SteamDeck SubReddit if you want an echo chamber?
Man you must be some kind of special ignorant if you don’t think some late PC ports was optimized bad compared to console counterparts. I can ‘t help you there since that is a personal problem.
Switch force is a big one,( also a big clickbaiter.) Spawn wave whenever big news comes out. And maybe Nintendo prime. IGN does a lot with valve but I think they signed some deal with them. But switch force is the one that does it the most.
@NintendoEternity Dude, what is it with your hate for the Steam Deck? It is not even aimed for the same market as the Switch. Your blind hate for it is just cringe. And the fact that you keep bringing up the Steam Machine's failure, yet ignore the fact that the WiiU was one of the worst consoles ever just shows how biased you are. It's a good product, get over it
Yeah, I imagine. Wonder how close to the Switch-version of Witcher 3 Deck owners will have to downscale their PC-version to get an acceptable battery life out of the device. Id say it probably won't be something like a 100USD worth of an upgrade...
This is all a moot point for us Australians anyway..
@FishyS haha exactly. Its a cool idea but basically they made a handheld thay isnt really portable because its just stupidly large but isnt a hybrid like the Switch either, wont be able to play high end PC games which it always seems like is what PC gamers are all about, doesnt look like it'd work well with mouse-controlled games, and has worse battery life than the first version of the original Switch model (though i suppose doesnt matter too much since this thing is so large you're not gonna take it far away from an outlet anyways). Oh and despite the thing being monstrously large they still barely had room for the buttons and dpad as it looks like those are about to slide off the side of the thing.
It's like they took the idea of the Switch and dumbed it down and made everything worse. I think probably for the vast majority of PC gamers a gamepad is the better solution than a steam deck lol. I think the steam deck only gets away with what it's trying to do because it's cheap compared to a gaming PC just because it's not a PC, it's just a gaming device. But just getting a gamepad for your gaming computer would seem to be a much cheaper and better solution for the majority of people and no doubt those people already have a gamepad to play with.
It feels like the ultimate solution to what the steam deck is trying to do is really just more PC games should come to the Switch which is the far superior gaming device.
I initially thought it was going to be really cool but then a few weeks ago I saw pictures of how enormous it is and I was like what's even the point that's barely even portable. A non-portable handheld is it pretty niche market I think.
So silly Nintendo doesn’t see the market for a more powerful switch. I hope this thing does VERY well.
@GC-161 unrelated but damn your profile picture
I feel like NL is "slightly" downplaying the Steamdeck. NL only seem to show the reviews where the Switch is somehow mentioned in a positive way in comparison to the Steamdeck. I mean fans would still play Switch no matter what coz it has Mario, Zelda etc which are irreplaceable, but Steamdeck will also for sure eat up alot of Switch's market share. It is an undeniable nice piece of tech.
It annoys me that the steam deck has XABY buttons. If it's playing PC games, why not call them WASD (the traditional PC directional buttons)? Why rip off Nintendo's button format?
@ArcticEcho The modding community of PC related hardware and software has always been the most active. You will see what you want in no time.
@Maulbert You must not have been online much, especially at GameSpot, IGN, or any major gaming sites when Vita was released... Because that's all you could read in comments & forums, it seemed. I wouldn't call that "nobody". 🤷🏻♂️
Might get it someday, but for now I find it to expensive. But if I would get it, it would be for the indies. That way I finally can get the indies at a much better price, more indies too and they aren't tied to one system, and the Steam-shop doesn't get replaced all the time (Nintendo shops get replaced). Meaning that if you download something it will stay with you forever. My laptop however probably is to old for those modern indie games.
Im pretty sure it won't eat up Switch market share in any regards worth mentioning. It will at most be Gamegear vs. Gameboy.
@Preposterous I’m with you 100%. I sometimes find myself thinking Steam Deck might be cool, but then remember it has no physical games.
The only positive to digital is that they often sell those games on sale for about what they’re worth, a few bucks. For some reason I just don’t value digital games. I’ve got hundreds of free games from the Epic store, and have never even bothered to play one of them.
@RPGreg2600 It's not "ripping off" anything. Tons of PC games have supported Xbox controllers for well over a decade now (as well as many other controllers, including Playstation and Nintendo ones, though not as well) So the Steam Deck is just, you know, using an industry standard.
Guess you're right, Microsoft is the one who ripped off Nintendo.
There is a place in the market for both devices just as the Switch coexists with the PS5 and Xbox Series.
But let’s be real here: this thing is a behemoth and really just for playing games around the house.
Are you really going to get that thing out on the train or a flight? It does scream ‘nerd’ at the top of its lungs and whilst I’m not self conscious enough that it would bother me what other people think, the OLED Switch has a better screen and the ability to offer a stranger a controller to play a spot of Mario Kart which could lead who knows where.
Before I fell out with Nintendo for having such shoddy controllers and a save corruption bug in ACNH they still refuse to patch or refund me for many a family train journey was enlivened by 4 joycons and some Mario Party.
The only other ways for me when it comes to gaming — besides my Switch — are my PS3 (yes, three), my MacBook or my iPhone. Which is close to none actually, if I want to play games from after 2014 that don't look like they're from 2010. So I think I sit right in the market. What makes it appealing to me is the fact you can connect it to a TV just like the Switch.
@Slownenberg so you wrote a four paragraph comment just to say....that the switch is superior because its smaller?
If I get this it'll be for all the visual novels and eroge that aren't on it Switch and that's about it.
@Arawn93 You have the grammar of a toddler. No wonder you're so shockingly insistent that low-range mobile hardware from 2015 can remotely compete with a dedicated APU from half a decade later. 😂😂😂
@Lem1697 I agree that the wiiu was a failure; in fact, both wii and wiiu are my Least favorite consoles from Nintendo.
But Masterpieces from the WiiU were ported over to the Nintendo Switch, Thankfully.
On the other, steam machines had no Exclusives to port over...
@echoplex PS3 was Always BETTER than the ps4.
SteamDeck is too expensive to be a Switch killer.
@Giancarlothomaz yeap. also, ssbultimate proper.
i would sooner invest in a psvr2 on a ps5pro than a steam deck vs my existing pc/switcholed set.
To be fair there are not that many defending comments on here, and most are positive for the Steam deck, and to be honest if I had a lot more spare time on my hands, I would probably buy one too.
This comment section has gone pretty well all things considered, I mean the whole tone of the article "What's the Steam Deck like, compared to the Switch", invites a little back and fourth, and the new machine is releasing four years after the initial Switch, so you would expect it to have some more power, but again back to my point that we should not even be comparing these devices anyway, even Valve stated it was going after a totally different section of the market.
@NintendoEternity "steam machines had no Exclusives to port over..."
what does this even mean??? its a PC! nothing needs porting! everything that can be run on the old steam machines are already PC software's.
@RasandeRose GameGear sales would have been much better if Gameboy didn't exist. So in other words the one does influence the other significantly. It would be true if you compare the Switch with an Ipad or so. But both being an handheld game console, they are clearly into the same handheld market share.
@hakjie11 no. Steamdeck is seeking to create a portable system for existing pc gamers who already have a library of games to play. Not the same as Gamegear vs Game boy at all.
Looks like a really nice device and the reviews seem generally positive. Not fussed about one myself yet but certainly one to keep an eye on, especially the emulation scene and if Game Pass appears on there.
@Procurator yes, the remastered one also works.
If this entices people to embrace cloud gaming, that could explain why Kingdom Hearts on switch is a cloud based game. That’s a disaster. I’d rather have a Switch Lite XL. Large screen, handheld only game console. Cartridge based with optional download games/content. I don’t even care if it’s OLED or not.
@NintendoEternity What do you mean exclusives? There are tons of things only a computer can play/do and the Steam deck will be able to do it. Do you even know what a computer is?
i predict this very large portable console will be every bit as popular as every other very large portable console that has been released.
i predict this hardware from valve will be just as successful as all the other hardware valve has released over the years.
im really optimistic.
lol, Deck is roughly 70% bigger by square cm and 60% heavier. Yeah, not any significant difference at all... xD
It literally looks twice the Switch size in pics, it's almost like comparing a large smartphone to a tablet computer. The Deck is portable only compared to a large laptop, and me plus many more think it's just too bulky. The ones who doesn't think so, fine. But you don't have to deny the reality to try to deny us who think's it's to bulky our fair point.
Wonder how many PC-gamers would complain about that huge old-Switch style screen frame if the Deck were a Nintendo console and not something from Valve...
Deck is aimed at the PC game library. Yeah, it's getting harder to distinguish between PC:s and consoles, but the Deck will hardly compete that much more with Switch than a laptop PC does, the same way desktop PC:s already have their more or less set market share, so does consoles. I don't think there will be any major contest between Switch and a PC-device, there are some but fairly few consumers who will fluctuate between consoles and PC. Nintendo has far more competition from PS5 and Xbox.
@cookeecut I wonder how many remember when the N-gage and the PSP were suppose to kill off Nintendo's dominance in mobile....
@diwdiws " its a PC! nothing needs porting!"
Not quite true of the Steam Deck. Games don't technically need to be ported but they do need to be made compatible. Not every game is compatible.
@SwaySnivy "I already see Steam deck as a win because Steam offer a regional price for games."
So does Nintendo Russia was one of the cheapest places to get games but of course now is probably the worst time to use it. South Africa was another option.
@jsty3105 or just install windows and run anything? it an effin PC.
@diwdiws shrug https://www.windowscentral.com/why-you-shouldnt-install-windows-steam-deck
Also: Valve recommends not wiping SteamOS for Windows — naturally — but designer Lawrence Yang told IGN that it was possible.
"We don't think people should be locked into a certain direction or a certain set of software that they can install. If you buy a Steam Deck, it's a PC. You can install whatever you want on it, you can attach any peripherals you want to it. Maybe a better way to think about it is that it's a small PC with a controller attached as opposed to a gaming console."
What you would lose by installing Windows is all of the UI optimizations that Valve has designed with SteamOS to make it a good experience on a handheld. But you're going to be free to do as you wish with it. With 16GB of RAM onboard and a custom quad-core AMD APU, it'll certainly have enough horsepower for Windows.
@Zenszulu "...even the lowest spec model which isn't much more expensive than the OLED Switch probably won't sell as much as some seem to think..."
It definitely didn't sell as much as the most expensive model - "the most expensive version ($649.99 with 512GB of storage) is the most popular"
I guess this doubles down on the viewpoint of some that the Steam Deck is primarily for the (smaller) enthusiast market.
@jsty3105 i dont really understand the article you linked. He advices not to install windows because of navigation issue then suddenly reference Aya Neo which basically is a steamdeck with windows?? So Aya Neo with windows work. Why not the steamdeck?
@Yorumi I hope compatibility improves.
I'm personally interested in one for the future but need a price drop first because, realistically speaking, only the 256 or 512GB versions are really worth getting due to the mega large install sizes of games.
For example, the base model doesn't seem capable of playing Borderlands 3 without a giant micro SD card.
Reading some reviews, just because a game can run on Steam Deck doesn't mean that it runs well (Tiny text on Borderlands 3 for example and I saw someone comment earlier that Hades runs better on the Switch).
@diwdiws I would assume because the Steam Deck has a custom Steam OS UI. I don't really know outside of multiple sources saying it isn't a great idea even if it possible.
I imagine that screen size would be the first issue. I already run into annoyances when I use my slightly-smaller-than standard laptop
The handful of comments from the holier-than-thou, I’m-above-the-cult crowd on this site never ceases to amaze me.
@Erigen The sticks on my current Switch (OLED) or previous Switches don't/didn't drift either...EVER.
Not so sure we will get much better reporting, the site does need those advertising clicks.
Don't say that, you will be labeled a Joycon drift defender, or worse.
Must admit I have had no issues either, touch wood.
Switch: I can play Dark Souls portably and it runs well.
Steam Deck: I can play Elden Ring portably and it runs well.
Pretty much says it all, for me. I'll be keeping my Switch OLED, mostly due to Switch exclusives as well as that OLED screen outclassing the Deck's screen. But Steam Deck is going to open up entire new realms of portable gaming that weren't possible before. Now to just receive that order email from Steam... any day now... aargh
@Moistnado last time I saw the reports, it became cost ineffective for them a good few years after Switch launch. It's pretty obvious that the Gen 10 followup will carry something notably newer.
@Rambler yes. Proton gives Linux the ability to play Windows games. In some cases, PC games run better on Proton than on Windows.
The Steam Deck is really for the PC crowd and to a lesser extent PlayStation and Xbox. The Switch crosses amongst different groups, but I would call the iOS/Android side of gaming versus PC. Arm-based chips versus X64 are not direct comparisons since RISC (Arm/PowerPC) functions differently than CISC (X86-64).
@Troll_Decimator which certainly seems to put them in the memetic category of customers who spent the last decade thinking "Wii U" was just the bulky gamepad.😄 Although on a side note, am I the only one who held the actual controller in my hands and never found it "bulky"? Bigger than a 3DS XL and thicker than a Switch, sure, but Wii U came out when Android tablets were still all the rage... and still the size and thickness of an actual doorstopper.
Most games on steam require you to be logged into steam to play them. That alone takes away from the possibilities of the device. That and the limits of the hardware age wise along with price for such inadequate specs is a big no go. It’s to expensive and is not as portable as people want to believe.
@Tasuki the switch version of crysis was tailored down for the switch the steam version won’t be.
@Dpishere sadly many older games on steam still require a M&K and are not controller compatible. That is one of the biggest downfalls the steam box had.
@Dirty0814 Nope. After downloading games, you don't need to be online to play. You lose out on things like cloud save syncing, but you don't need to be online.
@Dirty0814 are you saying you must be online to play games on your steam account? because you do know that there is an offline mode in steam? how does that takes away the possibilities of the device?
@Would_you_kindly both have native version. Yuzu just got vulkan support in steam deck. It should increase performance. Cemu also works in proton or through wine
@Dirty0814 You can play most of the single player games in offline mode just fine. You just loose the cloud sync.
@hashrack456 it will probably be able to run switch games better than the switch can lol
I saw some crazy vids, people already playing switch games on the steamdeck, and worked perfectly. I only saw mario odyssee.
Didnt expect it to run the switch.
I wouldnt download it myself. I just buy the device for my Deck games and some indie games.
Lol you beat me to it. There are already videos on youtube, running the switch games on steam deck, and worked perfectly.
@eltomo isn't emulation working then? (I saw that picture of dolphin running Wii games)
But I'll wait for V2 as well, think it has a bit to iron out (battery life)... First I though it was too big, but now I mainly use my switch (when traveling) including the Hori split-as.. so much more comfortable... (and it still fits into my work bag)
@Neoicelord That's not a PC problem, it's an industry issue. Most first party games work well from the big 3, but anything else almost always has day one patches etc regardless of platform. I agree and wish this would stop but believe me, it isn't just a PC issue. CyberPunk is a great example of the PC version being the only one that ran well when it came out, but then Elden Ring on consoles ran better than PC. It's stupid lol.
This does not make the Switch obsolete, but I will very much be looking into this for future gaming wants. (Obviously excluding Nintendo 1st party games.)
I mean the usefulness of this outpaces the Switch by miles, not only it is a gaming unit, but a full fledged PC too.
As a console guy basically my entire life, the old model of not carrying my entire library of games over the next generation system should be left in the past. I find that I am buying more 3rd party games on Steam than I do on Nintendo.
But the biggest burn was not being able to carry any of my Wii U digital library over to the Switch, that was a huge disappointment. Valve solved this problem years ago.
@RasandeRose I think that's the crux of the matter - purchasing a new platform that provides little more than oversaturation of content, especially for a market already carved out by Nintendo to begin with. As an invested Switch user, what is my incentive to drop $400 dollars minimum when I could use that money for future Switch titles and merch? Makes little sense.
@The-Chosen-one my pc runs switch games pretty well through yuzu & the steam decks specs are alot better than my pc's except the GPU I've got a gtx 970
@GC-161 except the Vita is not a handheld pc that can already play steam pc games. The Deck is a different kind of beast. Now I think more companies will jump on board making handheld devices and that will affect Nintendo one way or another.
I’m sure the thing is cool, but it just looks too giant and clunky and stupid for me to want to take it anywhere.
@Rorotendo Don’t hold your breath. Microsoft has no need to, since you can already play Xbox games on almost any device, and Sony really has nowhere to fit itself into the market. That’s even more true now than it was when they abandoned the Vita. The most you’ll see is Steam Deck clones that let you do the same thing it does.
@The-Chosen-one Well yeah it’s a PC so of course you can play pirated games on it.
The steamdeck wasn’t even the first handheld pc.
And we all thought this would be the Switch killer.
Already the grubby nature of PC gaming, with its constant updates, high costs and open nature, is manifesting itself in some of the Steam Deck's negatives. Apparently you need Windows 11 installed for some games to work well. Fine if it's a seamless and automatic update; bad if it involves the user messing around. Does this process eat up storage? Other games are constantly fed optimisation updates, or you need to dive into settings. This is fine, if not exciting, if the buyer is the typical PC gaming enthusiast, not for a casual gamer.
Then there's issues with peripherals, whether wired or bluetooth, especially if you want a smooth docking process. Let's also be realistic, the $399 model is hopelessly inadequate, so the $529 model is the minimum standard for someone with a smaller library, while the top $649 model is for everyone else. Again, PC gamers won't baulk at spending this much, casual gamers will.
I'm still interested so will wait to see it playing in the field, as market response is typically the best guide. With reports of control stick drifting, and not to forget the shocking battery life, that makes me want to wait even more. There could be a hardware revision within a year.
@Yorumi Gosh - I saw this on GamesRadar - "Dying Light 2 was 44GB, Elden Ring is 47GB, God of War is 64GB. Updates took up 80GB of space, and the mysterious "Other" category ate just 13GB."
That's nearly 256GB already for just 3 games.....
I know you can easily expand storage through microSD cards but still......
Well, I think the 64GB model is pretty much pointless with high end-PC games in mind. 64GB+SDcards works fine for Switch as Nintendo and 3rd parties shrinks the size when they optimize their games for the platform+a huge part of the audience buy's physical games.
I think 256GB is pretty much minimum for a PC gaming console with no physical medium, render the Deck kinda expansive.
@Yorumi oh I don't mean it as a criticism of your previous comment. I posted it as I didn't factor in that updates will also take up a significant portion of storage.
I'm still interested in the Stream Deck but this discovery does temper my expectations somewhat. Notably, I'm primarily interested in the Steam Deck for the possibility of playing the big releases on the go. Knowing that I can only hold a few before needing multiple SD cards isn't great for me
(it thankfully already got fixed but as the first comment under this article, this is pretty hilarious)
@Maulbert So nobody said that the Vita would beat the 3DS back in 2011? I mean there was a good reason for that...but some certainly did!
Here, let me remind you:
"Vita will be pitted against the Nintendo 3DS. But the comparison doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and even if you were to pit them against each other, Vita is still destined to sell better. That's because in addition to games (which Nintendo 3DS is still sorely lacking), it's also a much more powerful machine capable of doing a whole lot more than 3DS." - IGN (2011)
"(From a discussion after E3 2011) The more I see of Vita, the more I think Sony is getting it just right, and I can see it outselling 3DS. It almost certainly will in Japan, but I've got a feeling it'll be bigger in the West as well" - PocketGamer
Now here's the thing, tho. Like the 3DS before it, the Vita had a rough launch. It never took off as predicted in Japan or the US. And only showed some promise in Europe (a.k.a. SonyLand). But by the time E3 2012 came around, the Vita was floundering to such a degree that Sony had basically taken the spotlight away from the Vita. Showing a quick sizzle reel at E3 and focusing instead on... the PlayStation Move (remember THAT?).
So all the talk about Vita killing the 3DS was silenced almost immediately because of how fast the Vita failed to catch on.
In fact, the handheld war between the 3DS and Vita was settled at lightning speed. And any talk about "Vita is gonna beat the 3DS" was considered comical even in the same year that the Vita had launched. Again, because of how fast it dropped out of consumers radar. And that may explain why you rarely heard such discussions about Vita dominating.
You mostly saw that on forums, tho. But that's to be expected.
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