@fed0ra7 I enjoy the vc service, and it's helped out during droughts, but the service could be so much better than what it is. Compare NOJ vc to NA/EU vc. Why does Japan get all that extra vc love? Why is NA&EU vc being treated like a second priority? It doesn't make me feel like a valued customer that's for sure.
@NandN3ds Yes, ps4&xb1 downloads are not accessible if the account expires. I expect that to change at some point, as it's no longer a issue with 360 or PS3.
@Donutman My 360 account has expired multiple times, and I'm still able to access my purchased games. Just saying. Yeah, those other two console manufacturers systems are a complete waste of time. Absolutely nothing fun to play on them at all.
@Alexkidd1985 Saturn&Dreamcast would be wonderful. I'm certainly happy owning Nights,Gaurdian heroes,sonic adventure,soul calibur,mvc2, quake 3, and crazy taxi, on my 360, but there are so many other great games that could grace vc from those systems.Sega managing vc sounds like a great idea as well.
Sure hope things change with the next system.I wonder if nintendo will expect us to re-buy all Virtual Console games at the pace of one game a week all over again? Between this, and NOA saying they may not be able to repair my "new" 3ds, I'm beginning to care less and less.
@Malakai And where are all those people that made the wii a commercial success that it was? They sure as hell ain't enjoying the wiiu with the rest of the nintendo community. How where third party's supposed to treat the wii? Third party's are not going to jump through flaming hoops to port games to a system that had GCN power under the hood.Especially when nintendo makes no effort to work with these dev's, and just releases a system without asking for any kind of feedback.
A very informative article. Thanks NL for taking the time to shed some light on the vc situation. Lord knows nintendo wasn't going to utter a peep on the matter.
@Mus1cLov3r You make many fair points. No company can take a few individuals complaints as if their business depended on it. I was under the impression that many where unhappy with the state virtual console is in, and not just me. I do believe that nintendo doesn't take consumer/fan feedback as Microsoft and Sony do. look at the launch of the PS3 and Xbox one. Both systems where in major trouble in the beginning due to arrogance and assuming they knew what gamers wanted more than gamers themselves. They listened and turned their troubled situation around. I want to continue supporting nintendo,so I'll see what the next systems have to offer and improve on.
@Mus1cLov3r True.If there was more retail games I wouldn't care, but there isn't. I bought the dlc, as I love MK8. I play it all the time. Asking for vc games is not a big deal. I'm not asking for a AAA full budget game here, though nintendo could use a few more of those. Im asking for more than one vc game a week. seems likes simple request to me. Unless, it takes a massive amount of time,resources, and money I don't see how it's such a major request. If things look the way they do now on nintendo's next system, I won't be around to complain anymore. If Microsoft or Sony ignored their fans like nintendo does, I'd drop my support for them as well.
@Grumblevolcano MK ds is a good game, but when Nintendo fans have MK 7&8 I see very little replay value with MKds.You beat all the cups in SC and ds and its over.
@Mus1cLov3r Old roms that take very little resources to emulate is not too much to ask for.Psn&capcom got Megaman x4&x5 out a week apart shortly after its announcement.Nintendo seems to believe that drip feeding vc is a brilliant marketing strategy.
@majinx07 That's what get's to me more than anything else. They clearly don't listen at all. Is it really that difficult to go on FB,Twitter, or any of the other countless social media outlets to explain why they do what they do? Does Nintendo even investigate sites like NL or GI to get insight on what fans want or would like to see? I think NOA is just tired of complaints and let's it roll off their shoulders. I think the bigwigs at NOJ are so set in their ways, and detached from the rest of the world,and the current gaming industry, that they're not even aware that some fan's are really disappointed with the way Nintendo has been doing things.
@mrGREEK360 I used to defend Iwata considering his success with the DS&Wii. Those days are behind us now, and I've grown tired of his oddball decisions and inability to listen to the fans. The sooner he's removed the better.
@rdrunner1178 I feel the same way. I own Mario kart 7&8. Why would I even care about MK ds? I was hoping for zero mission or sonic advance. This whole one game a week has bothered me since I purchased my wiiu and 3ds. I'll bet it's a NOJ decision. Factor in NOA being horrible at selecting games to put the icing on the crap cake. There are multiple reasons why ill be taking a wait and see approach with nintendo's next console.This just happens to be one of those reasons.
@EngieBengie Agreed. I've heard that NOA&NOE don't have much say on how they run their respective branches. I think it's a bit arrogant on iwata's part to think he understands market/consumer differences in the us or Europe.
Beating this dead horse again I see. Nearly everyone here defending Nintendo because they are within their legal rights. What's so wrong with this? I'd imagine anyone who went to the effort to create a hd sm64 is a bigger fan than commenters on NL.This wasn't going to hurt nintendo at all. This was free to play and not being sold for a price. Nintendo's marketing has failed to create any buzz lately and many saw this as a positive fan made project that would gain some much needed attention. I remember all the hate on here when anyone brought up Nintendo games being on smart phone devices and it seems nearly everyone is ok with it now. Some people will defend NOJ and the mistakes they make no matter what.
@rjejr Not a fan of episodic releases either. I waited for all episodes and a final review before getting Resident Evil Revelations 2.I agree with you on how the MK8 menu is pushing the dlc. It could upset people who recently purchased the game.I'll say the dlc bundle has a very attractive price point for anyone who has held off on it.
Great article! Reading this really takes me back, and reminds me how much I enjoyed the dreamcast. Now if I could get capcomvssnk2 and powerstone on ps3&360, I'd be overjoyed.
No 3ds vc again. If it wasn't for sega or capcom there would be nothing nowadays. Dk 64 is great,but what's with the chaotic almost random releases on wii u vc? Can we please finish up with gba games before moving on to ds&n64?
@DarkKirby If the launch of the next system is another "unique idea" that doesn't entice the public/gamers or isn't developer friendly, I see Iwata being forced out. Yes, Iwata did much for Nintendo with system's like the GBA,DS,and WII, but lately, I feel like he's been hurting the company more that helping it. It seems like NOJ has ignored all the strides gaming has made with online services over the last ten years.This obsession with innovation above all else has done nothing but drive away gamers and third party studios.And the fact they seem to ignore the fan base really annoys me the most. I won't be rushing to BestBuy when the next Nintendo platform releases. I'm taking a wait and see approach next time, as I'm not going through this again with the big N.
@BinaryFragger Ive always considered the virtual console service a perk and not a selling point for a Nintendo console. It shouldn't be a main focus but Nintendo's NA/EU counterparts don't even treat it like a third rate service.Wiiu&3ds vc pales in comparison to the wii shope. Hell, NOJ vc makes the NA/EU shope look like a lazy effort in comparison. Playing old games shouldn't take priority over a new experience, but it's not like wiiu and 3ds have much outside of a lite sprinkle of 1st party games and a few indie games. I purchase games like Affordable Space Adventures and Shovel Knight, but I have dozens of indie games in addition to third party support on my Xbox&Playstation systems. In comparison Nintendo systems look a little barren, so I don't see why something that requires such little effort like emulating old roms that would appeal to decent sized audience that grew up playing these games is such a bad idea? Maybe I'll enjoy playing Mario Land 2 or Links Awakening 15 years later.
@BinaryFragger I grew up playing games since the nes. I guess that makes me ancient. I don't own gb,gba,nes,snes, or gg anymore,so I enjoy playing games I haven't picked up in years. I'm not a developer and don't know how to create a game, but i'd imagine it takes very little resources to emulate roms on a modern console. I had a buddy that burned 60 games a disk for my dreamcast. One person did this and not a team of twenty people. There are more older gamers today than there have ever been, and something as simple as VC is a easy please for the audience that appreciates it.
I'll probably get ASA. No 3ds VC again. Seems it's full speed ahead on DS VC when we still don't have several GBA titles. Sometimes, I think Don Knotts is running NOA from beyond the grave.
@SCAR392 We all saw what happened when Sony attempted to copy SSB. With fighters like Dead OR Alive, Soul Calibur , Tekken, StreetFighter, Guilty Gear, Blaze Blue, Dark Stalkers,and persona I think MS&Sony are good on fighters.
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Re: Poll: Is It Time For a Fresh Alternative to the Virtual Console?
@fed0ra7 I enjoy the vc service, and it's helped out during droughts, but the service could be so much better than what it is.
Compare NOJ vc to NA/EU vc. Why does Japan get all that extra vc love? Why is NA&EU vc being treated like a second priority? It doesn't make me feel like a valued customer that's for sure.
Re: Poll: Is It Time For a Fresh Alternative to the Virtual Console?
@SupremeAllah I recently purchased Secret of Mana on iOS for eight bucks. Rpg's work pretty well with a touch screen interface.
Re: Poll: Is It Time For a Fresh Alternative to the Virtual Console?
@NandN3ds Yes, ps4&xb1 downloads are not accessible if the account expires. I expect that to change at some point, as it's no longer a issue with 360 or PS3.
Re: Poll: Is It Time For a Fresh Alternative to the Virtual Console?
@Gobelee I'd buy anything FF on vc. I wonder why we are not seeing any releases outside of Japan.
Re: Poll: Is It Time For a Fresh Alternative to the Virtual Console?
@Donutman My 360 account has expired multiple times, and I'm still able to access my purchased games. Just saying. Yeah, those other two console manufacturers systems are a complete waste of time. Absolutely nothing fun to play on them at all.
Re: Poll: Is It Time For a Fresh Alternative to the Virtual Console?
@Alexkidd1985 Saturn&Dreamcast would be wonderful. I'm certainly happy owning Nights,Gaurdian heroes,sonic adventure,soul calibur,mvc2, quake 3, and crazy taxi, on my 360, but there are so many other great games that could grace vc from those systems.Sega managing vc sounds like a great idea as well.
Re: Poll: Is It Time For a Fresh Alternative to the Virtual Console?
@Moon Never thought about the snes colored buttons and no snes vc for "new" 3ds. Hilarious!
Re: SEGA and M2 Are Happy to Continue 3D Classics "Indefinitely if Sales Are Good"
Glad enough people enjoy Sega 3d classics to warrant a second wave. I'm looking forward to adding the next three games to my collection.
Re: Poll: Is It Time For a Fresh Alternative to the Virtual Console?
@DGGames Well said. You hit the nail on the head as to why many fans have been frustrated with Nintendo's handling of the virtual console service.
Re: Nintendo Download: 30th April (North America)
@BlackSpy snes or gba would be nice. I know I'm bearing a dead horse, as it will never happen.
Re: Nintendo Download: 30th April (North America)
Sure hope things change with the next system.I wonder if nintendo will expect us to re-buy all Virtual Console games at the pace of one game a week all over again? Between this, and NOA saying they may not be able to repair my "new" 3ds, I'm beginning to care less and less.
Re: Treyarch Isn't Working on Call of Duty: Black Ops III For Wii U, Though Activision is Noncommittal
@Malakai And where are all those people that made the wii a commercial success that it was? They sure as hell ain't enjoying the wiiu with the rest of the nintendo community.
How where third party's supposed to treat the wii? Third party's are not going to jump through flaming hoops to port games to a system that had GCN power under the hood.Especially when nintendo makes no effort to work with these dev's, and just releases a system without asking for any kind of feedback.
Re: Nintendo of America Aims to Cause a Splash for Splatoon With a 'Mess Fest' Event
@IronMan28 It certainly helps. I cant defend Nintendo leaving out such a basic console feature that's been around forever.
Re: Natsume Suggests That Nintendo's Moving Away From SNES on Wii U Virtual Console
A very informative article. Thanks NL for taking the time to shed some light on the vc situation. Lord knows nintendo wasn't going to utter a peep on the matter.
Re: Natsume Suggests That Nintendo's Moving Away From SNES on Wii U Virtual Console
@BulbasaurusRex Yeah, SMW was completely unplayable on vc. I had trouble jumping the whole time.
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@joey302 Best list ever.
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@Mus1cLov3r You make many fair points. No company can take a few individuals complaints as if their business depended on it. I was under the impression that many where unhappy with the state virtual console is in, and not just me. I do believe that nintendo doesn't take consumer/fan feedback as Microsoft and Sony do. look at the launch of the PS3 and Xbox one. Both systems where in major trouble in the beginning due to arrogance and assuming they knew what gamers wanted more than gamers themselves. They listened and turned their troubled situation around. I want to continue supporting nintendo,so I'll see what the next systems have to offer and improve on.
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@Mus1cLov3r True.If there was more retail games I wouldn't care, but there isn't. I bought the dlc, as I love MK8. I play it all the time. Asking for vc games is not a big deal. I'm not asking for a AAA full budget game here, though nintendo could use a few more of those. Im asking for more than one vc game a week. seems likes simple request to me. Unless, it takes a massive amount of time,resources, and money I don't see how it's such a major request. If things look the way they do now on nintendo's next system, I won't be around to complain anymore. If Microsoft or Sony ignored their fans like nintendo does, I'd drop my support for them as well.
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@Grumblevolcano MK ds is a good game, but when Nintendo fans have MK 7&8 I see very little replay value with MKds.You beat all the cups in SC and ds and its over.
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@Mus1cLov3r Old roms that take very little resources to emulate is not too much to ask for.Psn&capcom got Megaman x4&x5 out a week apart shortly after its announcement.Nintendo seems to believe that drip feeding vc is a brilliant marketing strategy.
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@majinx07 That's what get's to me more than anything else. They clearly don't listen at all. Is it really that difficult to go on FB,Twitter, or any of the other countless social media outlets to explain why they do what they do? Does Nintendo even investigate sites like NL or GI to get insight on what fans want or would like to see? I think NOA is just tired of complaints and let's it roll off their shoulders. I think the bigwigs at NOJ are so set in their ways, and detached from the rest of the world,and the current gaming industry, that they're not even aware that some fan's are really disappointed with the way Nintendo has been doing things.
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@nesvc Ask Iwata!
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@mrGREEK360 I used to defend Iwata considering his success with the DS&Wii. Those days are behind us now, and I've grown tired of his oddball decisions and inability to listen to the fans. The sooner he's removed the better.
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@GuitarAnthony Its not you.
Re: Nintendo Download: 23rd April (North America)
@rdrunner1178 I feel the same way. I own Mario kart 7&8. Why would I even care about MK ds? I was hoping for zero mission or sonic advance. This whole one game a week has bothered me since I purchased my wiiu and 3ds. I'll bet it's a NOJ decision. Factor in NOA being horrible at selecting games to put the icing on the crap cake. There are multiple reasons why ill be taking a wait and see approach with nintendo's next console.This just happens to be one of those reasons.
Re: Editorial: Nintendo's Problems With Trends and Modern Media Continue to Damage Its Image
@Danrenfroe2016 Yet, it's rivals have had basic features like party chat for about a decade now.
Re: Super Mario 64 HD Triggers Surge Of YouTube Interest In Nintendo's Famous Mascot
@EngieBengie Agreed. I've heard that NOA&NOE don't have much say on how they run their respective branches. I think it's a bit arrogant on iwata's part to think he understands market/consumer differences in the us or Europe.
Re: Super Mario 64 HD Triggers Surge Of YouTube Interest In Nintendo's Famous Mascot
Beating this dead horse again I see. Nearly everyone here defending Nintendo because they are within their legal rights. What's so wrong with this? I'd imagine anyone who went to the effort to create a hd sm64 is a bigger fan than commenters on NL.This wasn't going to hurt nintendo at all. This was free to play and not being sold for a price. Nintendo's marketing has failed to create any buzz lately and many saw this as a positive fan made project that would gain some much needed attention. I remember all the hate on here when anyone brought up Nintendo games being on smart phone devices and it seems nearly everyone is ok with it now. Some people will defend NOJ and the mistakes they make no matter what.
Re: Talking Point: Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. DLC Can Evolve the Concept of Nintendo 'Evergreen' Releases
@rjejr Not a fan of episodic releases either. I waited for all episodes and a final review before getting Resident Evil Revelations 2.I agree with you on how the MK8 menu is pushing the dlc. It could upset people who recently purchased the game.I'll say the dlc bundle has a very attractive price point for anyone who has held off on it.
Re: Hardware Classics: Sega Dreamcast
Great article! Reading this really takes me back, and reminds me how much I enjoyed the dreamcast. Now if I could get capcomvssnk2 and powerstone on ps3&360, I'd be overjoyed.
Re: Nintendo Download: 16th April (North America)
No 3ds vc again. If it wasn't for sega or capcom there would be nothing nowadays. Dk 64 is great,but what's with the chaotic almost random releases on wii u vc? Can we please finish up with gba games before moving on to ds&n64?
Re: Streets Of Rage 2, Gunstar Heroes And Sonic The Hedgehog 2 Are Your Next Sega 3D Classics
@fluggy If NOJ actually listened to what it's fan's from NA/EU wanted, then maybe it would happen.Im glad sega took the reigns with the 3d classics.
Re: Streets Of Rage 2, Gunstar Heroes And Sonic The Hedgehog 2 Are Your Next Sega 3D Classics
M2 is awesome! I was worried we wouldn't be getting many more 3d classics. I'll grab them all as soon as they're available.
Re: Games Consultant Believes Nintendo NX Could Be "The Defining Video Game Controller Of The Smart Device Age"
@DarkKirby If the launch of the next system is another "unique idea" that doesn't entice the public/gamers or isn't developer friendly, I see Iwata being forced out.
Yes, Iwata did much for Nintendo with system's like the GBA,DS,and WII, but lately, I feel like he's been hurting the company more that helping it. It seems like NOJ has ignored all the strides gaming has made with online services over the last ten years.This obsession with innovation above all else has done nothing but drive away gamers and third party studios.And the fact they seem to ignore the fan base really annoys me the most.
I won't be rushing to BestBuy when the next Nintendo platform releases. I'm taking a wait and see approach next time, as I'm not going through this again with the big N.
Re: Games Consultant Believes Nintendo NX Could Be "The Defining Video Game Controller Of The Smart Device Age"
@BinaryFragger Ive always considered the virtual console service a perk and not a selling point for a Nintendo console. It shouldn't be a main focus but Nintendo's NA/EU counterparts don't even treat it like a third rate service.Wiiu&3ds vc pales in comparison to the wii shope. Hell, NOJ vc makes the NA/EU shope look like a lazy effort in comparison. Playing old games shouldn't take priority over a new experience, but it's not like wiiu and 3ds have much outside of a lite sprinkle of 1st party games and a few indie games. I purchase games like Affordable Space Adventures and Shovel Knight, but I have dozens of indie games in addition to third party support on my Xbox&Playstation systems. In comparison Nintendo systems look a little barren, so I don't see why something that requires such little effort like emulating old roms that would appeal to decent sized audience that grew up playing these games is such a bad idea? Maybe I'll enjoy playing Mario Land 2 or Links Awakening 15 years later.
Re: Nintendo Download: 9th April (North America)
@BinaryFragger I grew up playing games since the nes. I guess that makes me ancient. I don't own gb,gba,nes,snes, or gg anymore,so I enjoy playing games I haven't picked up in years. I'm not a developer and don't know how to create a game, but i'd imagine it takes very little resources to emulate roms on a modern console. I had a buddy that burned 60 games a disk for my dreamcast. One person did this and not a team of twenty people. There are more older gamers today than there have ever been, and something as simple as VC is a easy please for the audience that appreciates it.
Re: Nintendo Download: 9th April (North America)
I'll probably get ASA. No 3ds VC again. Seems it's full speed ahead on DS VC when we still don't have several GBA titles. Sometimes, I think Don Knotts is running NOA from beyond the grave.
Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Reckons "It Would Be Cool" if Rare's Banjo Was Voted in as Super Smash Bros. DLC
@sillygostly Gotta hate those EVIL corporation's
Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Reckons "It Would Be Cool" if Rare's Banjo Was Voted in as Super Smash Bros. DLC
@Gamecubed Bayonetta would be awesome!
Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Reckons "It Would Be Cool" if Rare's Banjo Was Voted in as Super Smash Bros. DLC
@SCAR392 We all saw what happened when Sony attempted to copy SSB. With fighters like Dead OR Alive, Soul Calibur , Tekken, StreetFighter, Guilty Gear, Blaze Blue, Dark Stalkers,and persona I think MS&Sony are good on fighters.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Turns to Classics, DLC and amiibo to Keep Fans Hooked
@HellrazerX But, that would make too much sense. I'd love to see it happen though.
Re: Video: Mario Kart DS Skids Onto Wii U Virtual Console
@joey302 Reggie is on top of things as usual.
Re: Video: Mario Kart DS Skids Onto Wii U Virtual Console
@BlackSpy MK online is so much fun. You should give the multiplayer a chance.
Re: Video: Mario Kart DS Skids Onto Wii U Virtual Console
@EonCow That would've been the perfect lineup.
Re: Video: Mario Kart DS Skids Onto Wii U Virtual Console
I'm happy with MK 7&8, so I'll have to pass on this.
Re: Video: Mario Kart DS Skids Onto Wii U Virtual Console
@Peach64 I couldn't agree more.
Re: Nintendo Download: 2nd April (North America)
@Action51 wow, you're happy and overjoyed with anything and everything Nintendo does?
Not surprised at all.
Re: Nintendo Download: 2nd April (North America)
@andrew20 On the back burner, where else?
Re: Nintendo Download: 2nd April (North America)
Mario 64 for me. I never bought it on wii, so I'm looking forward to playing this again.Hope metroid arrives next week.
Re: Talking Point: It's Too Early to Write Off the Wii U Over The Legend of Zelda's Delay
@Trickbaby14 Sales kinda matter.